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ever since I graduated from college in

ever since I graduated from college in 1980 with my degree in music I’ve been a

1980 with my degree in music I’ve been a

1980 with my degree in music I’ve been a full-time musician traveling and

full-time musician traveling and

full-time musician traveling and performing all over this country and

performing all over this country and

performing all over this country and around the world and what I’ve come to

around the world and what I’ve come to

around the world and what I’ve come to find to be the greatest and most

find to be the greatest and most

find to be the greatest and most effective and successful weapon that we

effective and successful weapon that we

effective and successful weapon that we can use known to man to combat such

can use known to man to combat such

can use known to man to combat such adversaries as ignorance racism hatred

adversaries as ignorance racism hatred

adversaries as ignorance racism hatred violence is also the least expensive

violence is also the least expensive

violence is also the least expensive weapon and the one that is the least

weapon and the one that is the least

weapon and the one that is the least used by Americans that weapon is called

used by Americans that weapon is called

used by Americans that weapon is called communication and in order to understand

communication and in order to understand

communication and in order to understand how I arrived at this let’s go back to

how I arrived at this let’s go back to

how I arrived at this let’s go back to 1968 when I was 10 years old I was

1968 when I was 10 years old I was

1968 when I was 10 years old I was living in Belmont Massachusetts just got

living in Belmont Massachusetts just got

living in Belmont Massachusetts just got there and I was one of two black kids in

there and I was one of two black kids in

there and I was one of two black kids in my fourth-grade class we had I joined

my fourth-grade class we had I joined

my fourth-grade class we had I joined the Cub Scouts we had a march from

the Cub Scouts we had a march from

the Cub Scouts we had a march from Lexington to Concord to commemorate the

Lexington to Concord to commemorate the

Lexington to Concord to commemorate the ride of Paul Revere it was an all-white

ride of Paul Revere it was an all-white

ride of Paul Revere it was an all-white Cub Scout troop and the sidewalks were

Cub Scout troop and the sidewalks were

Cub Scout troop and the sidewalks were lined with nothing but white people

lined with nothing but white people

lined with nothing but white people cheering us on as we marched my den

cheering us on as we marched my den

cheering us on as we marched my den mother let me carry the American flag

mother let me carry the American flag

mother let me carry the American flag and somewhere as I was marching down

and somewhere as I was marching down

and somewhere as I was marching down this parade route with my fellow Scouts

this parade route with my fellow Scouts

this parade route with my fellow Scouts I began getting hit with bottles and

I began getting hit with bottles and

I began getting hit with bottles and soda pop cans and rocks and debris from

soda pop cans and rocks and debris from

soda pop cans and rocks and debris from the street by a small group of white

the street by a small group of white

the street by a small group of white spectators within the larger group I had

spectators within the larger group I had

spectators within the larger group I had never experienced this before and my

never experienced this before and my

never experienced this before and my being naive my first thought was oh they

being naive my first thought was oh they

being naive my first thought was oh they don’t like the scouts I didn’t realize

don’t like the scouts I didn’t realize

don’t like the scouts I didn’t realize that I was the only Scout getting hit

that I was the only Scout getting hit

that I was the only Scout getting hit until my den mother troop leader path

until my den mother troop leader path

until my den mother troop leader path leader all come came rushing back and

leader all come came rushing back and

leader all come came rushing back and huddled over me with their bodies and if

huddled over me with their bodies and if

huddled over me with their bodies and if scored at me out of the danger when I

scored at me out of the danger when I

scored at me out of the danger when I got home my mom and dad who were not at

got home my mom and dad who were not at

got home my mom and dad who were not at the parade were fixing me up putting on

the parade were fixing me up putting on

the parade were fixing me up putting on mercurochrome and band-aids and asking

mercurochrome and band-aids and asking

mercurochrome and band-aids and asking me how did you fall down and get all

me how did you fall down and get all

me how did you fall down and get all scraped up I told them I didn’t fall

scraped up I told them I didn’t fall

scraped up I told them I didn’t fall down

down

down told them exactly what had happened for

told them exactly what had happened for

told them exactly what had happened for the first time in my life they explained

the first time in my life they explained

the first time in my life they explained racism to me I had no idea what it was

racism to me I had no idea what it was

racism to me I had no idea what it was at the age of 10 but I formed a question

at the age of 10 but I formed a question

at the age of 10 but I formed a question in my mind at that time that question

in my mind at that time that question

in my mind at that time that question was how can you hate me when you don’t

was how can you hate me when you don’t

was how can you hate me when you don’t even know me

even know me

even know me and for the next 49 years I’ve been

and for the next 49 years I’ve been

and for the next 49 years I’ve been looking for that answer

looking for that answer

looking for that answer music became my profession but studying

music became my profession but studying

music became my profession but studying race relations became my obsession so

race relations became my obsession so

race relations became my obsession so after graduating I joined a country

after graduating I joined a country

after graduating I joined a country western band country music had become

western band country music had become

western band country music had become popular I found myself in a bar in a

popular I found myself in a bar in a

popular I found myself in a bar in a country bar in which I was the only

country bar in which I was the only

country bar in which I was the only black person in there black people were

black person in there black people were

black person in there black people were not welcome although they could come in

not welcome although they could come in

not welcome although they could come in they were not welcome here I was in this

they were not welcome here I was in this

they were not welcome here I was in this place and after the first set of white

place and after the first set of white

place and after the first set of white gentlemen came up behind me put his arm

gentlemen came up behind me put his arm

gentlemen came up behind me put his arm around my shoulder and said man I really

around my shoulder and said man I really

around my shoulder and said man I really like your piano playing this is the

like your piano playing this is the

like your piano playing this is the first time I ever heard a black man play

first time I ever heard a black man play

first time I ever heard a black man play piano like Jerry Lee Lewis now I was not

piano like Jerry Lee Lewis now I was not

piano like Jerry Lee Lewis now I was not offended but I was kind of surprised

offended but I was kind of surprised

offended but I was kind of surprised like didn’t this guy know the origin of

like didn’t this guy know the origin of

like didn’t this guy know the origin of Jerry Lee’s style and I said to him I

Jerry Lee’s style and I said to him I

Jerry Lee’s style and I said to him I wasn’t trying to be facetious but I said

wasn’t trying to be facetious but I said

wasn’t trying to be facetious but I said where do you think Jerry Lee Lewis

where do you think Jerry Lee Lewis

where do you think Jerry Lee Lewis learned how to play he says what are you

learned how to play he says what are you

learned how to play he says what are you talking about

talking about

talking about I said well Jerry Lee learned that style

I said well Jerry Lee learned that style

I said well Jerry Lee learned that style from the same place I did from black

from the same place I did from black

from the same place I did from black blues and boogie woogie piano players

blues and boogie woogie piano players

blues and boogie woogie piano players that’s what that rockabilly rock and

that’s what that rockabilly rock and

that’s what that rockabilly rock and roll style came from oh no Jerry Lee

roll style came from oh no Jerry Lee

roll style came from oh no Jerry Lee invented that I never heard no black man

invented that I never heard no black man

invented that I never heard no black man play like that well I told the man I

play like that well I told the man I

play like that well I told the man I know Jerry Lee Lewis personally he’s a

know Jerry Lee Lewis personally he’s a

know Jerry Lee Lewis personally he’s a very good friend of mine he’s told me

very good friend of mine he’s told me

very good friend of mine he’s told me himself where he learned how to play the

himself where he learned how to play the

himself where he learned how to play the guy didn’t buy that I knew Jerry Lee he

guy didn’t buy that I knew Jerry Lee he

guy didn’t buy that I knew Jerry Lee he didn’t buy that

didn’t buy that

didn’t buy that Jerry Lee learn anything from black

Jerry Lee learn anything from black

Jerry Lee learn anything from black people but he was fascinated with me

people but he was fascinated with me

people but he was fascinated with me then he wanted to buy me a drink I don’t

then he wanted to buy me a drink I don’t

then he wanted to buy me a drink I don’t drink alcohol but I went back to his

drink alcohol but I went back to his

drink alcohol but I went back to his table and had a cranberry juice he took

table and had a cranberry juice he took

table and had a cranberry juice he took this glass he clink my glass and cheered

this glass he clink my glass and cheered

this glass he clink my glass and cheered me and then he made another announcement

me and then he made another announcement

me and then he made another announcement he said you know this is the first time

he said you know this is the first time

he said you know this is the first time I ever sat down and had a drink with a

I ever sat down and had a drink with a

I ever sat down and had a drink with a black man so I’m thinking you know this

black man so I’m thinking you know this

black man so I’m thinking you know this guy is really having a night of firsts

guy is really having a night of firsts

guy is really having a night of firsts here

here

here again I was naive and I had to ask him

again I was naive and I had to ask him

again I was naive and I had to ask him why three times before he told me I’m a

why three times before he told me I’m a

why three times before he told me I’m a member of the Ku Klux Klan

member of the Ku Klux Klan

member of the Ku Klux Klan well I burst out laughing at him because

well I burst out laughing at him because

well I burst out laughing at him because I did not believe him you know I knew

I did not believe him you know I knew

I did not believe him you know I knew the plan you know didn’t just come up

the plan you know didn’t just come up

the plan you know didn’t just come up and embrace black people and praised

and embrace black people and praised

and embrace black people and praised their piano playing want to hang out and

their piano playing want to hang out and

their piano playing want to hang out and buy him a drink it doesn’t work that way

buy him a drink it doesn’t work that way

buy him a drink it doesn’t work that way but we talked and exchanged information

but we talked and exchanged information

but we talked and exchanged information and I would call him every time I was to

and I would call him every time I was to

and I would call him every time I was to come back to this bar and he would brain

come back to this bar and he would brain

come back to this bar and he would brain Klansmen and clans women to watch me

Klansmen and clans women to watch me

Klansmen and clans women to watch me play then it dawned on me this is where

play then it dawned on me this is where

play then it dawned on me this is where I can find the answer to my question

I can find the answer to my question

I can find the answer to my question that I had formed when I was 10 years

that I had formed when I was 10 years

that I had formed when I was 10 years old that I’ve been looking for how can

old that I’ve been looking for how can

old that I’ve been looking for how can you hate me

you hate me

you hate me we don’t even know me who better to ask

we don’t even know me who better to ask

we don’t even know me who better to ask than someone who would join an

than someone who would join an

than someone who would join an organization whose whole premise has

organization whose whole premise has

organization whose whole premise has been hating those who do not look like

been hating those who do not look like

been hating those who do not look like them and who do not believe as they

them and who do not believe as they

them and who do not believe as they believe and sometimes exacting violence

believe and sometimes exacting violence

believe and sometimes exacting violence upon them so I got back in contact with

upon them so I got back in contact with

upon them so I got back in contact with that guy some years later I went to his

that guy some years later I went to his

that guy some years later I went to his apartment and I asked him to give me the

apartment and I asked him to give me the

apartment and I asked him to give me the phone number and address of the Klan

phone number and address of the Klan

phone number and address of the Klan leader for the state of Maryland well he

leader for the state of Maryland well he

leader for the state of Maryland well he reluctantly did so on the condition that

reluctantly did so on the condition that

reluctantly did so on the condition that I not revealed with this guy where I got

I not revealed with this guy where I got

I not revealed with this guy where I got his personal information and he warned

his personal information and he warned

his personal information and he warned me he said Darrell do not fool with this

me he said Darrell do not fool with this

me he said Darrell do not fool with this guy’s and was Roger Kelly he will kill

guy’s and was Roger Kelly he will kill

guy’s and was Roger Kelly he will kill you and I was not to be deterred but I

you and I was not to be deterred but I

you and I was not to be deterred but I had my secretary a call mr. Kelly and

had my secretary a call mr. Kelly and

had my secretary a call mr. Kelly and tell him that she works for someone

tell him that she works for someone

tell him that she works for someone who’s writing a book on the Klan would

who’s writing a book on the Klan would

who’s writing a book on the Klan would he consent to sitting down and doing an

he consent to sitting down and doing an

he consent to sitting down and doing an interview face-to-face I told her do not

interview face-to-face I told her do not

interview face-to-face I told her do not tell him but I’m black he’ll figure that

tell him but I’m black he’ll figure that

tell him but I’m black he’ll figure that out when he sees me if he agrees right

out when he sees me if he agrees right

out when he sees me if he agrees right so she called he didn’t ask what color I

so she called he didn’t ask what color I

so she called he didn’t ask what color I was and agreed to do the interview we

was and agreed to do the interview we

was and agreed to do the interview we secured a motel room she and I got there

secured a motel room she and I got there

secured a motel room she and I got there super early we filled up the ice bucket

super early we filled up the ice bucket

super early we filled up the ice bucket with ice put some cans of soda in there

with ice put some cans of soda in there

with ice put some cans of soda in there to get them warm I mean to get them cold

to get them warm I mean to get them cold

to get them warm I mean to get them cold and to be able to offer him a beverage

and to be able to offer him a beverage

and to be able to offer him a beverage when he arrived I didn’t know what he

when he arrived I didn’t know what he

when he arrived I didn’t know what he was gonna do or once he saw me would he

was gonna do or once he saw me would he

was gonna do or once he saw me would he attack me would he say I’m not gonna

attack me would he say I’m not gonna

attack me would he say I’m not gonna talk to you and walk away or would he

talk to you and walk away or would he

talk to you and walk away or would he come in and sit down and do the

come in and sit down and do the

come in and sit down and do the interview either way I want to be ready

interview either way I want to be ready

interview either way I want to be ready to be hospitable

to be hospitable

to be hospitable and offer him a cold drink so when he

and offer him a cold drink so when he

and offer him a cold drink so when he arrived first in walks his bodyguard who

arrived first in walks his bodyguard who

arrived first in walks his bodyguard who was armed right behind him was the

was armed right behind him was the

was armed right behind him was the leader of the clan in a dark blue suit

leader of the clan in a dark blue suit

leader of the clan in a dark blue suit and tie when the bodyguard stepped into

and tie when the bodyguard stepped into

and tie when the bodyguard stepped into the room and saw me he froze and the the

the room and saw me he froze and the the

the room and saw me he froze and the the the leader did not realize that his

the leader did not realize that his

the leader did not realize that his guard had stopped he slammed into his

guard had stopped he slammed into his

guard had stopped he slammed into his back and knocked him forward and he

back and knocked him forward and he

back and knocked him forward and he began looking all around the room ah ah

began looking all around the room ah ah

began looking all around the room ah ah something’s wrong either we’re in the

something’s wrong either we’re in the

something’s wrong either we’re in the wrong room or this is an ambush so I

wrong room or this is an ambush so I

wrong room or this is an ambush so I stood up I went like this to show I had

stood up I went like this to show I had

stood up I went like this to show I had nothing in my hands and I walked forward

nothing in my hands and I walked forward

nothing in my hands and I walked forward and said hi I’m Daryl Davis he shook my

and said hi I’m Daryl Davis he shook my

and said hi I’m Daryl Davis he shook my hand but the bodyguard shook man as well

hand but the bodyguard shook man as well

hand but the bodyguard shook man as well I said come on in come on in have a seat

I said come on in come on in have a seat

I said come on in come on in have a seat the leader sat down with the buddy to

the leader sat down with the buddy to

the leader sat down with the buddy to are standing into attention at his right

are standing into attention at his right

are standing into attention at his right I sat down we got on with this interview

I sat down we got on with this interview

I sat down we got on with this interview but I had a bag beside me in which I had

but I had a bag beside me in which I had

but I had a bag beside me in which I had some blank cassettes I had a cassette

some blank cassettes I had a cassette

some blank cassettes I had a cassette player on the table so every time my

player on the table so every time my

player on the table so every time my cassette would run out I’d reach down

cassette would run out I’d reach down

cassette would run out I’d reach down into the bag pull out a fresh cassette

into the bag pull out a fresh cassette

into the bag pull out a fresh cassette every time I’d reach like this The

every time I’d reach like this The

every time I’d reach like this The Bodyguard would reach like this after a

Bodyguard would reach like this after a

Bodyguard would reach like this after a while he realized there was no threat in

while he realized there was no threat in

while he realized there was no threat in the bag

the bag

the bag and he relaxed a little over an hour

and he relaxed a little over an hour

and he relaxed a little over an hour into this interview there was kind of a

into this interview there was kind of a

into this interview there was kind of a strange quick noise and we all jumped

strange quick noise and we all jumped

strange quick noise and we all jumped and I knew that the clan leader had made

and I knew that the clan leader had made

and I knew that the clan leader had made that noise I didn’t know what that noise

that noise I didn’t know what that noise

that noise I didn’t know what that noise was I never heard a noise like that

was I never heard a noise like that

was I never heard a noise like that before

before

before so I automatically perceived it to be an

so I automatically perceived it to be an

so I automatically perceived it to be an ominous threatening noise and I was

ominous threatening noise and I was

ominous threatening noise and I was hearing that other clans man’s voice in

hearing that other clans man’s voice in

hearing that other clans man’s voice in my head derald Roger Kelly will kill you

my head derald Roger Kelly will kill you

my head derald Roger Kelly will kill you I didn’t want to die I popped up out of

I didn’t want to die I popped up out of

I didn’t want to die I popped up out of my chair I hit the table I was getting

my chair I hit the table I was getting

my chair I hit the table I was getting ready to come across that table and take

ready to come across that table and take

ready to come across that table and take down the clan leader and the bodyguard

down the clan leader and the bodyguard

down the clan leader and the bodyguard because I was not armed but I was going

because I was not armed but I was going

because I was not armed but I was going to just slam them down to the ground

to just slam them down to the ground

to just slam them down to the ground take away the guy’s gun I did not want

take away the guy’s gun I did not want

take away the guy’s gun I did not want to die I did not want my secretary to

to die I did not want my secretary to

to die I did not want my secretary to die well when I came up my eyes locked

die well when I came up my eyes locked

die well when I came up my eyes locked with the clan leader

with the clan leader

with the clan leader I didn’t say a word my eyes spoke loud

I didn’t say a word my eyes spoke loud

I didn’t say a word my eyes spoke loud and clear they were saying to him what

and clear they were saying to him what

and clear they were saying to him what did you just do well his eyes had locked

did you just do well his eyes had locked

did you just do well his eyes had locked with mine he didn’t say a word but I

with mine he didn’t say a word but I

with mine he didn’t say a word but I read his eyes his eyes were saying to me

read his eyes his eyes were saying to me

read his eyes his eyes were saying to me what did you just do and the bodyguard

what did you just do and the bodyguard

what did you just do and the bodyguard was looking back and forth between both

was looking back and forth between both

was looking back and forth between both of us like this would either one of

of us like this would either one of

of us like this would either one of y’all just do my secretary realized what

y’all just do my secretary realized what

y’all just do my secretary realized what happened the ice in the bucket had

happened the ice in the bucket had

happened the ice in the bucket had melted and the Kansas soda came

melted and the Kansas soda came

melted and the Kansas soda came cascading down the ice and then it made

cascading down the ice and then it made

cascading down the ice and then it made that same noise and we all began

that same noise and we all began

that same noise and we all began laughing at how ignorant we all had been

laughing at how ignorant we all had been

laughing at how ignorant we all had been yes we’re enemies he’s the head of the

yes we’re enemies he’s the head of the

yes we’re enemies he’s the head of the Klan I’m a black guy but for that moment

Klan I’m a black guy but for that moment

Klan I’m a black guy but for that moment we shared a common laughter it was a

we shared a common laughter it was a

we shared a common laughter it was a teaching moment I won’t say it was a

teaching moment I won’t say it was a

teaching moment I won’t say it was a learning moment yet but it was a

learning moment yet but it was a

learning moment yet but it was a teaching moment and the lesson taught

teaching moment and the lesson taught

teaching moment and the lesson taught was this all because some foreign entity

was this all because some foreign entity

was this all because some foreign entity of which we were unaware that being the

of which we were unaware that being the

of which we were unaware that being the bucket of ice and Kansas soda entered

bucket of ice and Kansas soda entered

bucket of ice and Kansas soda entered into our little comfort zone via the

into our little comfort zone via the

into our little comfort zone via the noise that it made we became fearful and

noise that it made we became fearful and

noise that it made we became fearful and accusatory of one another the lesson

accusatory of one another the lesson

accusatory of one another the lesson taught is this ignorance breeds fear if

taught is this ignorance breeds fear if

taught is this ignorance breeds fear if you do not keep that fear in check that

you do not keep that fear in check that

you do not keep that fear in check that fear in turn will breed hatred because

fear in turn will breed hatred because

fear in turn will breed hatred because we hate those fins that frighten us if

we hate those fins that frighten us if

we hate those fins that frighten us if you do not keep that hatred in check

you do not keep that hatred in check

you do not keep that hatred in check that hatred in turn will breed

that hatred in turn will breed

that hatred in turn will breed destruction we want to destroy those

destruction we want to destroy those

destruction we want to destroy those things that we hate why because they

things that we hate why because they

things that we hate why because they frighten us but guess what they may have

frighten us but guess what they may have

frighten us but guess what they may have been harmless and we were simply

been harmless and we were simply

been harmless and we were simply ignorant so we just had some more laughs

ignorant so we just had some more laughs

ignorant so we just had some more laughs we carried on with the conversation no

we carried on with the conversation no

we carried on with the conversation no more problems I would invite the man you

more problems I would invite the man you

more problems I would invite the man you know I had I was interviewing clan

know I had I was interviewing clan

know I had I was interviewing clan people all around the country he was the

people all around the country he was the

people all around the country he was the first I would invite him down to my

first I would invite him down to my

first I would invite him down to my house he there’s about an hour and a

house he there’s about an hour and a

house he there’s about an hour and a half away he would come down to my house

half away he would come down to my house

half away he would come down to my house with his bodyguard I would invite over

with his bodyguard I would invite over

with his bodyguard I would invite over some of my other black friends some of

some of my other black friends some of

some of my other black friends some of my white friends some of my Jewish

my white friends some of my Jewish

my white friends some of my Jewish friends just to allow the leader to

friends just to allow the leader to

friends just to allow the leader to engage in conversation with other people

engage in conversation with other people

engage in conversation with other people other than me

other than me

other than me this went on for a couple of years after

this went on for a couple of years after

this went on for a couple of years after a couple years he got promoted from

a couple years he got promoted from

a couple years he got promoted from state leader Grand Dragon to national

state leader Grand Dragon to national

state leader Grand Dragon to national leader Imperial wizard he began inviting

leader Imperial wizard he began inviting

leader Imperial wizard he began inviting me to his house I would go to his house

me to his house I would go to his house

me to his house I would go to his house I would see his Klan den where he’d have

I would see his Klan den where he’d have

I would see his Klan den where he’d have his meetings

his meetings

his meetings take some more notes from my book he

take some more notes from my book he

take some more notes from my book he began inviting me to Klan rallies I go

began inviting me to Klan rallies I go

began inviting me to Klan rallies I go to these Klan rallies watching these

to these Klan rallies watching these

to these Klan rallies watching these Klansmen and flans women in their robes

Klansmen and flans women in their robes

Klansmen and flans women in their robes and hoods parade around this big 20 to

and hoods parade around this big 20 to

and hoods parade around this big 20 to 30 foot cross with their torches and

30 foot cross with their torches and

30 foot cross with their torches and then go to the base of the cross for

then go to the base of the cross for

then go to the base of the cross for that throw and throw down their torches

that throw and throw down their torches

that throw and throw down their torches and then whoosh this big thing will be

and then whoosh this big thing will be

and then whoosh this big thing will be on fire they would give speeches and

on fire they would give speeches and

on fire they would give speeches and things like that

things like that

things like that well CNN knew who I was through music

well CNN knew who I was through music

well CNN knew who I was through music they knew who he was through the Klan I

they knew who he was through the Klan I

they knew who he was through the Klan I thought this would make a great story so

thought this would make a great story so

thought this would make a great story so they asked me who owns the next time I

they asked me who owns the next time I

they asked me who owns the next time I was going to a Klan rally I told him and

was going to a Klan rally I told him and

was going to a Klan rally I told him and they said it was on a Saturday they said

they said it was on a Saturday they said

they said it was on a Saturday they said are you performing anywhere Friday night

are you performing anywhere Friday night

are you performing anywhere Friday night I said yeah so they came by the club

I said yeah so they came by the club

I said yeah so they came by the club where I was playing with my band they

where I was playing with my band they

where I was playing with my band they filmed me to show what I do for a living

filmed me to show what I do for a living

filmed me to show what I do for a living normally and then they came to my house

normally and then they came to my house

normally and then they came to my house Saturday morning and followed me two

Saturday morning and followed me two

Saturday morning and followed me two hours up the road and they said to me do

hours up the road and they said to me do

hours up the road and they said to me do you think mr. Kelly will even talk to us

you think mr. Kelly will even talk to us

you think mr. Kelly will even talk to us I said I’ll do better than that when the

I said I’ll do better than that when the

I said I’ll do better than that when the rally is over I’ll get the Imperial

rally is over I’ll get the Imperial

rally is over I’ll get the Imperial wizard to come back to my house and you

wizard to come back to my house and you

wizard to come back to my house and you can interview the head of the Ku Klux

can interview the head of the Ku Klux

can interview the head of the Ku Klux Klan inside a black man’s house I said

Klan inside a black man’s house I said

Klan inside a black man’s house I said oh okay so they filmed the whole rally

oh okay so they filmed the whole rally

oh okay so they filmed the whole rally and this clip was shown on CNN every

and this clip was shown on CNN every

and this clip was shown on CNN every hour for 24 hours all over the world I

hour for 24 hours all over the world I

hour for 24 hours all over the world I want to show it to you now but I want

want to show it to you now but I want

want to show it to you now but I want you to pay particular attention to what

you to pay particular attention to what

you to pay particular attention to what mr. Kelly says here you go

mr. Kelly says here you go

mr. Kelly says here you go [Music]

[Music]

[Music] friendship can transcend all kinds of

friendship can transcend all kinds of

friendship can transcend all kinds of boundaries let’s look at us and two men

boundaries let’s look at us and two men

boundaries let’s look at us and two men in Washington area are showing that even

in Washington area are showing that even

in Washington area are showing that even an african-american man and a member of

an african-american man and a member of

an african-american man and a member of the Ku Klux Klan can find common ground

the Ku Klux Klan can find common ground

the Ku Klux Klan can find common ground CNN’s carl rochelle reports

CNN’s carl rochelle reports

CNN’s carl rochelle reports Gerald Davis plays a hot piano it’s part

Gerald Davis plays a hot piano it’s part

Gerald Davis plays a hot piano it’s part of the show and it makes him stand out

he also stands out here Davis is one of

he also stands out here Davis is one of the few african-americans you will ever

the few african-americans you will ever

the few african-americans you will ever find attending a KKK rally more than

find attending a KKK rally more than

find attending a KKK rally more than attending he is welcome it’s been a

attending he is welcome it’s been a

attending he is welcome it’s been a tough day for the Klan their Maryland

tough day for the Klan their Maryland

tough day for the Klan their Maryland rally found many local residents

rally found many local residents

rally found many local residents rejecting the message of white

rejecting the message of white

rejecting the message of white separatism after it’s over Darrell Davis

separatism after it’s over Darrell Davis

separatism after it’s over Darrell Davis hangs around backstage with his friend

hangs around backstage with his friend

hangs around backstage with his friend Klan wizard Roger Kelly it’s not unusual

Klan wizard Roger Kelly it’s not unusual

Klan wizard Roger Kelly it’s not unusual for blacks and whites to be friends but

for blacks and whites to be friends but

for blacks and whites to be friends but it is unusual to find a black man and a

it is unusual to find a black man and a

it is unusual to find a black man and a Klan leader chatting pleasantly over an

Klan leader chatting pleasantly over an

Klan leader chatting pleasantly over an orange soda after a Klan rally the

orange soda after a Klan rally the

orange soda after a Klan rally the relationship started over a book Davis

relationship started over a book Davis

relationship started over a book Davis was writing his secretary set up an

was writing his secretary set up an

was writing his secretary set up an interview with Roger Kelly but didn’t

interview with Roger Kelly but didn’t

interview with Roger Kelly but didn’t tell him Davis was black they talked and

tell him Davis was black they talked and

tell him Davis was black they talked and talked some more

talked some more

talked some more Davis learning about the Klan Kelly

Davis learning about the Klan Kelly

Davis learning about the Klan Kelly learning about Davis we get to know one

learning about Davis we get to know one

learning about Davis we get to know one another when we do different things you

another when we do different things you

another when we do different things you know it’s it hasn’t changed my views

know it’s it hasn’t changed my views

know it’s it hasn’t changed my views about the Klan you know because my views

about the Klan you know because my views

about the Klan you know because my views on the Klan has been pretty much

on the Klan has been pretty much

on the Klan has been pretty much cemented in my mind for years Kelly and

cemented in my mind for years Kelly and

cemented in my mind for years Kelly and his clan friends go to hear Davis and

his clan friends go to hear Davis and

his clan friends go to hear Davis and his band

and Davis goes to their rallies i sat on

and Davis goes to their rallies i sat on the front row and I listened to each

the front row and I listened to each

the front row and I listened to each client speak some things I agreed with

client speak some things I agreed with

client speak some things I agreed with other things they did not agree with

other things they did not agree with

other things they did not agree with Davis thinks that his presence promotes

Davis thinks that his presence promotes

Davis thinks that his presence promotes badly needed understanding hate stems I

badly needed understanding hate stems I

badly needed understanding hate stems I believe from fear for fear of the

believe from fear for fear of the

believe from fear for fear of the unknown and I think this is all across

unknown and I think this is all across

unknown and I think this is all across the board regardless of whether it’s a

the board regardless of whether it’s a

the board regardless of whether it’s a Klansman or anything else but he has no

Klansman or anything else but he has no

Klansman or anything else but he has no illusions about the Klan if he did his

illusions about the Klan if he did his

illusions about the Klan if he did his friend would be quick to disabuse them

friend would be quick to disabuse them

friend would be quick to disabuse them and I believe in separation of the races

and I believe in separation of the races

and I believe in separation of the races I believe that’s in the best interests

I believe that’s in the best interests

I believe that’s in the best interests of all races does he really has

of all races does he really has

of all races does he really has friendship transcended the color barrier

friendship transcended the color barrier

friendship transcended the color barrier listen to Kelly a Klan rally the strange

listen to Kelly a Klan rally the strange

listen to Kelly a Klan rally the strange relationship of a KKK wizard and his

relationship of a KKK wizard and his

relationship of a KKK wizard and his black buddy in Washington I’m calling

black buddy in Washington I’m calling

black buddy in Washington I’m calling will show CNN Sunday morning good

will show CNN Sunday morning good

will show CNN Sunday morning good adjectives strange certainly that okay

adjectives strange certainly that okay

adjectives strange certainly that okay now you heard the clan leaders say that

now you heard the clan leaders say that

now you heard the clan leaders say that even though he and I would do different

even though he and I would do different

even though he and I would do different things together it did not change his

things together it did not change his

things together it did not change his views on the Klan because his views on

views on the Klan because his views on

views on the Klan because his views on the plan had been cemented in his mind

the plan had been cemented in his mind

the plan had been cemented in his mind for years and he went on to say how he

for years and he went on to say how he

for years and he went on to say how he believes in separation of the races

believes in separation of the races

believes in separation of the races because that is to be in the best

because that is to be in the best

because that is to be in the best interest of all races but at the very

interest of all races but at the very

interest of all races but at the very end he said that he respected me I’m his

end he said that he respected me I’m his

end he said that he respected me I’m his enemy I’m a black guy he’s in the Klan

enemy I’m a black guy he’s in the Klan

enemy I’m a black guy he’s in the Klan he said we may not agree on everything

he said we may not agree on everything

he said we may not agree on everything beliefs he will sit down and listen to

beliefs he will sit down and listen to

beliefs he will sit down and listen to me and respect me and I will sit down

me and respect me and I will sit down

me and respect me and I will sit down listen to him respect him very important

listen to him respect him very important

listen to him respect him very important if you have an adversary give that

if you have an adversary give that

if you have an adversary give that person a platform allow them to air

person a platform allow them to air

person a platform allow them to air their views if you agree with them fine

their views if you agree with them fine

their views if you agree with them fine if you don’t that’s fine too you

if you don’t that’s fine too you

if you don’t that’s fine too you challenge them politely and

challenge them politely and

challenge them politely and intelligently not rudely or violently

intelligently not rudely or violently

intelligently not rudely or violently when you do things like that there’s an

when you do things like that there’s an

when you do things like that there’s an excellent chance they will reciprocate

excellent chance they will reciprocate

excellent chance they will reciprocate and give you a platform to express your

and give you a platform to express your

and give you a platform to express your views you make sure you do them

views you make sure you do them

views you make sure you do them intelligently and influentially because

intelligently and influentially because

intelligently and influentially because you each have to think at the end of the

you each have to think at the end of the

you each have to think at the end of the day who was right and if you can just

day who was right and if you can just

day who was right and if you can just create that little spark that spark can

create that little spark that spark can

create that little spark that spark can become a flame

become a flame

become a flame and grow so over the years he and I

and grow so over the years he and I

and grow so over the years he and I would continue these conversations and

would continue these conversations and

would continue these conversations and sitting down respecting each other to

sitting down respecting each other to

sitting down respecting each other to listen to each other I did not respect

listen to each other I did not respect

listen to each other I did not respect what he had to say understand I

what he had to say understand I

what he had to say understand I respected his right to say it and over

respected his right to say it and over

respected his right to say it and over the years that cement began to crack and

the years that cement began to crack and

the years that cement began to crack and then began to crumble and then a few

then began to crumble and then a few

then began to crumble and then a few years back

years back

years back Roger Kelly quit the Ku Klux Klan and

Roger Kelly quit the Ku Klux Klan and

Roger Kelly quit the Ku Klux Klan and when he did he gave me his robe and hood

when he did he gave me his robe and hood

when he did he gave me his robe and hood this is the robe of the plan leader the

this is the robe of the plan leader the

this is the robe of the plan leader the same one you saw him wearing in that

same one you saw him wearing in that

same one you saw him wearing in that video right here it bothered me a great

video right here it bothered me a great

video right here it bothered me a great deal that he called ourselves the

deal that he called ourselves the

deal that he called ourselves the greatest nation on the face of this

greatest nation on the face of this

greatest nation on the face of this earth perhaps we are technologically we

earth perhaps we are technologically we

earth perhaps we are technologically we we invented the means to put Neil

we invented the means to put Neil

we invented the means to put Neil Armstrong on the moon and while he was

Armstrong on the moon and while he was

Armstrong on the moon and while he was up there walking around talking about

up there walking around talking about

up there walking around talking about one small step for man and one giant

one small step for man and one giant

one small step for man and one giant leap for mankind we could communicate

leap for mankind we could communicate

leap for mankind we could communicate with him how is it that we as Americans

with him how is it that we as Americans

with him how is it that we as Americans can talk to people as far away as the

can talk to people as far away as the

can talk to people as far away as the moon or anywhere on the face of this

moon or anywhere on the face of this

moon or anywhere on the face of this earth but yet many of us have difficulty

earth but yet many of us have difficulty

earth but yet many of us have difficulty talking to the person who lives right

talking to the person who lives right

talking to the person who lives right next door because of the color of their

next door because of the color of their

next door because of the color of their skin their religion their persuasion

skin their religion their persuasion

skin their religion their persuasion their ethnicity etc it seems to me that

their ethnicity etc it seems to me that

their ethnicity etc it seems to me that before we can call ourselves the

before we can call ourselves the

before we can call ourselves the greatest our ideology needs to catch up

greatest our ideology needs to catch up

greatest our ideology needs to catch up to our technology and once we get them

to our technology and once we get them

to our technology and once we get them both up there we can truly brag we are

both up there we can truly brag we are

both up there we can truly brag we are living in the 21st century folks we are

living in the 21st century folks we are

living in the 21st century folks we are living in space-age times but there’s

living in space-age times but there’s

living in space-age times but there’s still too many of us thinking with Stone

still too many of us thinking with Stone

still too many of us thinking with Stone Age Minds the to news desk

Age Minds the to news desk

Age Minds the to news desk anchor people implied that I was strange

anchor people implied that I was strange

anchor people implied that I was strange what tell you what if being strange gets

what tell you what if being strange gets

what tell you what if being strange gets people to give up stuff like that we all

people to give up stuff like that we all

people to give up stuff like that we all need to be strange

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