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so time travel has really captures our

so time travel has really captures our imagination I have some examples here on

imagination I have some examples here on

imagination I have some examples here on my title slide we’ve got the poster from

my title slide we’ve got the poster from

my title slide we’ve got the poster from Back to the Future this interesting

Back to the Future this interesting

Back to the Future this interesting painting by Salvador Dali and Marcel

painting by Salvador Dali and Marcel

painting by Salvador Dali and Marcel Duchamp and of course there’s a Star

Duchamp and of course there’s a Star

Duchamp and of course there’s a Star Trek in countless science fiction media

Trek in countless science fiction media

Trek in countless science fiction media now I always in all my talks on time

now I always in all my talks on time

now I always in all my talks on time travel point out this quote or something

travel point out this quote or something

travel point out this quote or something like it this is from Simon Newcomb

like it this is from Simon Newcomb

like it this is from Simon Newcomb aerial flight is one of the classic

aerial flight is one of the classic

aerial flight is one of the classic problems with which men will never have

problems with which men will never have

problems with which men will never have to cope I didn’t include it in my talk

to cope I didn’t include it in my talk

to cope I didn’t include it in my talk but the New York Times in July of 1969

but the New York Times in July of 1969

but the New York Times in July of 1969 you’ll probably figure out why that’s a

you’ll probably figure out why that’s a

you’ll probably figure out why that’s a significant date had to retract a

significant date had to retract a

significant date had to retract a statement they wrote in 1920 saying that

statement they wrote in 1920 saying that

statement they wrote in 1920 saying that a rocket will never leave the Earth’s

a rocket will never leave the Earth’s

a rocket will never leave the Earth’s atmosphere because it has nothing to

atmosphere because it has nothing to

atmosphere because it has nothing to push against oops so my point here is is

push against oops so my point here is is

push against oops so my point here is is that even though as we’ll see today that

that even though as we’ll see today that

that even though as we’ll see today that even if time travel is most likely

even if time travel is most likely

even if time travel is most likely impossible due to our best understanding

impossible due to our best understanding

impossible due to our best understanding of physics our best understanding has

of physics our best understanding has

of physics our best understanding has has been wrong so it’s not just that a

has been wrong so it’s not just that a

has been wrong so it’s not just that a non-scientist writing article in The New

non-scientist writing article in The New

non-scientist writing article in The New York Times for example has been wrong

York Times for example has been wrong

York Times for example has been wrong but also experts have been wrong on the

but also experts have been wrong on the

but also experts have been wrong on the feasibility of air travel and the

feasibility of air travel and the

feasibility of air travel and the feasibility of space travel and I could

feasibility of space travel and I could

feasibility of space travel and I could have an entire talk on quotes of of

have an entire talk on quotes of of

have an entire talk on quotes of of famous astronomers saying how space

famous astronomers saying how space

famous astronomers saying how space travel was nonsense and will never and

travel was nonsense and will never and

travel was nonsense and will never and will never leave the Earth’s gravity so

will never leave the Earth’s gravity so

will never leave the Earth’s gravity so no a talk on time travel really needs to

no a talk on time travel really needs to

no a talk on time travel really needs to start with Einstein’s theory of special

start with Einstein’s theory of special

start with Einstein’s theory of special relativity so Einstein solved of the

relativity so Einstein solved of the

relativity so Einstein solved of the many epiphanies he had and many problems

many epiphanies he had and many problems

many epiphanies he had and many problems he was able to solve

he was able to solve

he was able to solve he saw the the an issue between

he saw the the an issue between

he saw the the an issue between classical physics of mechanics and

classical physics of mechanics and

classical physics of mechanics and electromagnetism and he was able to we

electromagnetism and he was able to we

electromagnetism and he was able to we don’t have time of course brief time

don’t have time of course brief time

don’t have time of course brief time together today to go through all the

together today to go through all the

together today to go through all the details but he was able to solve and

details but he was able to solve and

details but he was able to solve and reconcile

reconcile

reconcile some contradictory models and parts of

some contradictory models and parts of

some contradictory models and parts of physics by postulating that the speed of

physics by postulating that the speed of

physics by postulating that the speed of light is constant in all frames of

light is constant in all frames of

light is constant in all frames of reference and we especially in science

reference and we especially in science

reference and we especially in science fiction like to think of that as a

fiction like to think of that as a

fiction like to think of that as a limitation all speed of light is not

limitation all speed of light is not

limitation all speed of light is not that fast when you think of

that fast when you think of

that fast when you think of intergalactic skills but is it results

intergalactic skills but is it results

intergalactic skills but is it results in some incredibly interesting and

in some incredibly interesting and

in some incredibly interesting and important mathematical consequences and

important mathematical consequences and

important mathematical consequences and one of them is the twin paradox which

one of them is the twin paradox which

one of them is the twin paradox which isn’t really a paradox oh it’s a

isn’t really a paradox oh it’s a

isn’t really a paradox oh it’s a terrible name for it because it’s a real

terrible name for it because it’s a real

terrible name for it because it’s a real effect and in fact even though I’m

effect and in fact even though I’m

effect and in fact even though I’m illustrating with a cartoon with

illustrating with a cartoon with

illustrating with a cartoon with interstellar travel that we’re not

interstellar travel that we’re not

interstellar travel that we’re not capable of yet as a species on the on

capable of yet as a species on the on

capable of yet as a species on the on this on small scales especially at the

this on small scales especially at the

this on small scales especially at the subatomic level we know that the the

subatomic level we know that the the

subatomic level we know that the the twin effect is I prefer to call it is

twin effect is I prefer to call it is

twin effect is I prefer to call it is real so the so Harold Lyons who’s the

real so the so Harold Lyons who’s the

real so the so Harold Lyons who’s the father of sherry lines who’s one of our

father of sherry lines who’s one of our

father of sherry lines who’s one of our organizers today actually invented the

organizers today actually invented the

organizers today actually invented the first atomic clock you can see post an

first atomic clock you can see post an

first atomic clock you can see post an atomic clock there and a photo of Harold

atomic clock there and a photo of Harold

atomic clock there and a photo of Harold Lyons over there was a the atomic clock

Lyons over there was a the atomic clock

Lyons over there was a the atomic clock which is our most precise timekeeping

which is our most precise timekeeping

which is our most precise timekeeping device was able to demonstrate that what

device was able to demonstrate that what

device was able to demonstrate that what I’m about to tell you is an actual real

I’m about to tell you is an actual real

I’m about to tell you is an actual real fact so the classic example of the twin

fact so the classic example of the twin

fact so the classic example of the twin paradox is that you have you have two

paradox is that you have you have two

paradox is that you have you have two twins and one takes an interstellar

twins and one takes an interstellar

twins and one takes an interstellar journey to some distant star planet

journey to some distant star planet

journey to some distant star planet closest speed of light turns around and

closest speed of light turns around and

closest speed of light turns around and comes back and the the the twin who took

comes back and the the the twin who took

comes back and the the the twin who took the journey it is one that when he

the journey it is one that when he

the journey it is one that when he returns earth is significantly younger

returns earth is significantly younger

returns earth is significantly younger than his brother or sister and this is

than his brother or sister and this is

than his brother or sister and this is this is a real effect that we cannot do

this is a real effect that we cannot do

this is a real effect that we cannot do on these large scales yet but the thanks

on these large scales yet but the thanks

on these large scales yet but the thanks to atomic clocks and very fast planes we

to atomic clocks and very fast planes we

to atomic clocks and very fast planes we can show that indeed this is a real

can show that indeed this is a real

can show that indeed this is a real effect and that time is plastic we

effect and that time is plastic we

effect and that time is plastic we talked a lot about we talked about

talked a lot about we talked about

talked a lot about we talked about neuroplasticity today we all have this

neuroplasticity today we all have this

neuroplasticity today we all have this intuition that time is absolute but that

intuition that time is absolute but that

intuition that time is absolute but that is shattered by Einstein in relativity

is shattered by Einstein in relativity

is shattered by Einstein in relativity time is not absolute and your time and

time is not absolute and your time and

time is not absolute and your time and my time do not

my time do not

my time do not floo at the exact same rate it’s not

floo at the exact same rate it’s not

floo at the exact same rate it’s not like the universe has a universal

like the universe has a universal

like the universe has a universal timepiece and every star in Planet has a

timepiece and every star in Planet has a

timepiece and every star in Planet has a clock ticking at some at the same rate

clock ticking at some at the same rate

clock ticking at some at the same rate so if we take this now and so if this is

so if we take this now and so if this is

so if we take this now and so if this is a question now of Engineering and

a question now of Engineering and

a question now of Engineering and Technology not of physics so this is if

Technology not of physics so this is if

Technology not of physics so this is if we had the fuel probably something

we had the fuel probably something

we had the fuel probably something better than fossil fuels to do

better than fossil fuels to do

better than fossil fuels to do interstellar travel this is guaranteed

interstellar travel this is guaranteed

interstellar travel this is guaranteed to work but now this is maybe not as

to work but now this is maybe not as

to work but now this is maybe not as satisfying this is time travel to the

satisfying this is time travel to the

satisfying this is time travel to the future one way because your your your

future one way because your your your

future one way because your your your your contemporary friends or your this

your contemporary friends or your this

your contemporary friends or your this you may outlive your descendants by

you may outlive your descendants by

you may outlive your descendants by taking an interstellar trip coming back

taking an interstellar trip coming back

taking an interstellar trip coming back to earth but that’s a one-way trip to

to earth but that’s a one-way trip to

to earth but that’s a one-way trip to the future now let’s try to if we try to

the future now let’s try to if we try to

the future now let’s try to if we try to do some mathematical extrapolations in

do some mathematical extrapolations in

do some mathematical extrapolations in relativity to see well what can we do to

relativity to see well what can we do to

relativity to see well what can we do to get to the past so if we mathematically

get to the past so if we mathematically

get to the past so if we mathematically extrapolate that as you approach the

extrapolate that as you approach the

extrapolate that as you approach the speed of light we know that time slows

speed of light we know that time slows

speed of light we know that time slows down in some sort of it’s an ill-defined

down in some sort of it’s an ill-defined

down in some sort of it’s an ill-defined sense but at the speed of light time

sense but at the speed of light time

sense but at the speed of light time stops then if we extrapolate that ah

stops then if we extrapolate that ah

stops then if we extrapolate that ah faster than the speed of light should

faster than the speed of light should

faster than the speed of light should mean time goes in Reverse unfortunately

mean time goes in Reverse unfortunately

mean time goes in Reverse unfortunately though you would meet an infinite amount

though you would meet an infinite amount

though you would meet an infinite amount of energy to push anything with nonzero

of energy to push anything with nonzero

of energy to push anything with nonzero mass to the speed of light itself let

mass to the speed of light itself let

mass to the speed of light itself let alone to exceed it so that doesn’t seem

alone to exceed it so that doesn’t seem

alone to exceed it so that doesn’t seem to be something practical or realistic

to be something practical or realistic

to be something practical or realistic in any way so now let’s expand though

in any way so now let’s expand though

in any way so now let’s expand though from special relativity to Einstein’s

from special relativity to Einstein’s

from special relativity to Einstein’s other great epiphany which was general

other great epiphany which was general

other great epiphany which was general relativity where he essentially rewrote

relativity where he essentially rewrote

relativity where he essentially rewrote Newton’s theory of gravity to have a

Newton’s theory of gravity to have a

Newton’s theory of gravity to have a just Co come up with a completely

just Co come up with a completely

just Co come up with a completely different theory of gravity that

different theory of gravity that

different theory of gravity that explains gravity in a different way

explains gravity in a different way

explains gravity in a different way through gravity being the geometry of

through gravity being the geometry of

through gravity being the geometry of space-time and not just some mysterious

space-time and not just some mysterious

space-time and not just some mysterious force and recently this year’s you know

force and recently this year’s you know

force and recently this year’s you know Nobel Prize in Physics was awarded for

Nobel Prize in Physics was awarded for

Nobel Prize in Physics was awarded for the discovery of gravitational waves

the discovery of gravitational waves

the discovery of gravitational waves which is an astounding additional upon

which is an astounding additional upon

which is an astounding additional upon other existing mountains of evidence of

other existing mountains of evidence of

other existing mountains of evidence of the of the predictive power

the of the predictive power

the of the predictive power of general relativity and how it

of general relativity and how it

of general relativity and how it accurately explains the world around us

accurately explains the world around us

accurately explains the world around us if we look at general relativity you can

if we look at general relativity you can

if we look at general relativity you can come up with something known as a

come up with something known as a

come up with something known as a tippler cylinder so this is another

tippler cylinder so this is another

tippler cylinder so this is another attempt at trying to get some something

attempt at trying to get some something

attempt at trying to get some something that gets us time travel to the past and

that gets us time travel to the past and

that gets us time travel to the past and the idea here is is you have a very

the idea here is is you have a very

the idea here is is you have a very dense material and that if it’s rotating

dense material and that if it’s rotating

dense material and that if it’s rotating fast enough and the materials dense

fast enough and the materials dense

fast enough and the materials dense enough this twist spacetime in a way

enough this twist spacetime in a way

enough this twist spacetime in a way that traveling around the cylinder in

that traveling around the cylinder in

that traveling around the cylinder in space should get get you back in time

space should get get you back in time

space should get get you back in time you can think of this a good analogy is

you can think of this a good analogy is

you can think of this a good analogy is a spiral staircase so we’re all taught

a spiral staircase so we’re all taught

a spiral staircase so we’re all taught that if you if you walk around 360

that if you if you walk around 360

that if you if you walk around 360 degrees you return to the same point try

degrees you return to the same point try

degrees you return to the same point try that on a spiral staircase you do not

that on a spiral staircase you do not

that on a spiral staircase you do not return to the same point the idea here

return to the same point the idea here

return to the same point the idea here is is that with a spinning cylinder with

is is that with a spinning cylinder with

is is that with a spinning cylinder with you can set up the right space-time

you can set up the right space-time

you can set up the right space-time geometry that gets space-time twisting

geometry that gets space-time twisting

geometry that gets space-time twisting such that if you execute 360 degrees

such that if you execute 360 degrees

such that if you execute 360 degrees spatially you return to a different

spatially you return to a different

spatially you return to a different point in time including the past the

point in time including the past the

point in time including the past the problem with this is is well how would

problem with this is is well how would

problem with this is is well how would you get a material that’s dense enough

you get a material that’s dense enough

you get a material that’s dense enough and one of the main issues pointed out

and one of the main issues pointed out

and one of the main issues pointed out by Stephen Hawking is that for any of

by Stephen Hawking is that for any of

by Stephen Hawking is that for any of these types of ideas you would need

these types of ideas you would need

these types of ideas you would need either an infinitely long cylinder or

either an infinitely long cylinder or

either an infinitely long cylinder or you’d need something called negative

you’d need something called negative

you’d need something called negative energy basically matter that would have

energy basically matter that would have

energy basically matter that would have a would have negative mass instead of

a would have negative mass instead of

a would have negative mass instead of positive which I’ll come back to later

positive which I’ll come back to later

positive which I’ll come back to later so it doesn’t look like warping

so it doesn’t look like warping

so it doesn’t look like warping space-time is gonna work we have these

space-time is gonna work we have these

space-time is gonna work we have these infeasible obstacles infinite length how

infeasible obstacles infinite length how

infeasible obstacles infinite length how you gonna make something infinitely long

you gonna make something infinitely long

you gonna make something infinitely long although I think the size of the

although I think the size of the

although I think the size of the universe would would work too so if the

universe would would work too so if the

universe would would work too so if the universe isn’t infinite you can get

universe isn’t infinite you can get

universe isn’t infinite you can get around this what if instead of trying to

around this what if instead of trying to

around this what if instead of trying to twist space-time you try to punch a hole

twist space-time you try to punch a hole

twist space-time you try to punch a hole through it so this is the very classic

through it so this is the very classic

through it so this is the very classic here’s a picture of the the idea of a

here’s a picture of the the idea of a

here’s a picture of the the idea of a wormhole where you can punch a hole

wormhole where you can punch a hole

wormhole where you can punch a hole through space-time and you get from one

through space-time and you get from one

through space-time and you get from one distant location to another or even

distant location to another or even

distant location to another or even another universe or hopefully even

another universe or hopefully even

another universe or hopefully even better to a point in the past or future

better to a point in the past or future

better to a point in the past or future and the this is just a car

and the this is just a car

and the this is just a car tune the class example of this is you

tune the class example of this is you

tune the class example of this is you take a sheet of paper or you poke a hole

take a sheet of paper or you poke a hole

take a sheet of paper or you poke a hole through it to point out how what if you

through it to point out how what if you

through it to point out how what if you can have a shortcut through space-time I

can have a shortcut through space-time I

can have a shortcut through space-time I should point out this is only a cartoons

should point out this is only a cartoons

should point out this is only a cartoons and so we have three spatial dimensions

and so we have three spatial dimensions

and so we have three spatial dimensions they got this right in the movie

they got this right in the movie

they got this right in the movie interstellar a wormhole would actually

interstellar a wormhole would actually

interstellar a wormhole would actually be a sphere not a 2d hole like we’re

be a sphere not a 2d hole like we’re

be a sphere not a 2d hole like we’re used to in in the book so this is just

used to in in the book so this is just

used to in in the book so this is just an analogy because I can’t give you a

an analogy because I can’t give you a

an analogy because I can’t give you a four dimensional projection and

four dimensional projection and

four dimensional projection and PowerPoint that that’ll be in a future

PowerPoint that that’ll be in a future

PowerPoint that that’ll be in a future version so and there’s a the problem

version so and there’s a the problem

version so and there’s a the problem with wormholes this is a great idea and

with wormholes this is a great idea and

with wormholes this is a great idea and you can write down the equations for

you can write down the equations for

you can write down the equations for this in general relativity and as I said

this in general relativity and as I said

this in general relativity and as I said before we believe in relativity we

before we believe in relativity we

before we believe in relativity we discovered gravitational waves we saw

discovered gravitational waves we saw

discovered gravitational waves we saw war this week and your your GPS needs

war this week and your your GPS needs

war this week and your your GPS needs relativistic Corrections we’re both

relativistic Corrections we’re both

relativistic Corrections we’re both special and general relativity as we

special and general relativity as we

special and general relativity as we communicate with satellites they’re

communicate with satellites they’re

communicate with satellites they’re traveling fast and are far from the US

traveling fast and are far from the US

traveling fast and are far from the US gravitational field but these the

gravitational field but these the

gravitational field but these the equations of general relativity tell us

equations of general relativity tell us

equations of general relativity tell us that unfortunately a wormhole would be

that unfortunately a wormhole would be

that unfortunately a wormhole would be unstable even a laser pointer even light

unstable even a laser pointer even light

unstable even a laser pointer even light attempting to traverse the wormhole

attempting to traverse the wormhole

attempting to traverse the wormhole would collapse it you need something

would collapse it you need something

would collapse it you need something with negative mass or at least negative

with negative mass or at least negative

with negative mass or at least negative mass squared to go through what just

mass squared to go through what just

mass squared to go through what just knows the the tachyon particle the

knows the the tachyon particle the

knows the the tachyon particle the hypothetical particle that’s always

hypothetical particle that’s always

hypothetical particle that’s always traveling faster than the speed of light

traveling faster than the speed of light

traveling faster than the speed of light and so this again runs into this issue

and so this again runs into this issue

and so this again runs into this issue of negative mass seems to be a running

of negative mass seems to be a running

of negative mass seems to be a running theme of something we need for time

theme of something we need for time

theme of something we need for time travel and I’m going to now explain why

travel and I’m going to now explain why

travel and I’m going to now explain why that appears to be the case so this is a

that appears to be the case so this is a

that appears to be the case so this is a classic a cartoon that’s used to

classic a cartoon that’s used to

classic a cartoon that’s used to illustrate it with a 2d analogy of our

illustrate it with a 2d analogy of our

illustrate it with a 2d analogy of our of our three dimensions of space what

of our three dimensions of space what

of our three dimensions of space what the how general relativity describes

the how general relativity describes

the how general relativity describes gravity in the universe so bodies with

gravity in the universe so bodies with

gravity in the universe so bodies with mass the earth the Sun will make dents

mass the earth the Sun will make dents

mass the earth the Sun will make dents in space-time the more massive an object

in space-time the more massive an object

in space-time the more massive an object is though the more significant the dent

is though the more significant the dent

is though the more significant the dent so our the Earth orbits the Sun not

so our the Earth orbits the Sun not

so our the Earth orbits the Sun not because there’s this as there’s this

because there’s this as there’s this

because there’s this as there’s this mysterious action at a distance that

mysterious action at a distance that

mysterious action at a distance that Isaac Newton would call it but because

Isaac Newton would call it but because

Isaac Newton would call it but because there’s this invisible manifold of

there’s this invisible manifold of

there’s this invisible manifold of space-time that’s being warped and if

space-time that’s being warped and if

space-time that’s being warped and if you have enough a velocity you

you have enough a velocity you

you have enough a velocity you all around something instead of into it

all around something instead of into it

all around something instead of into it but if we keep extrapolating and

but if we keep extrapolating and

but if we keep extrapolating and extrapolating we get from the earth to

extrapolating we get from the earth to

extrapolating we get from the earth to the Sun to entire clusters of galaxies

the Sun to entire clusters of galaxies

the Sun to entire clusters of galaxies which are have enough gravitational

which are have enough gravitational

which are have enough gravitational field to actually bend light the Sun

field to actually bend light the Sun

field to actually bend light the Sun does is well of course and even the

does is well of course and even the

does is well of course and even the earth emits a much smaller effect but if

earth emits a much smaller effect but if

earth emits a much smaller effect but if we keep going to black holes this is a

we keep going to black holes this is a

we keep going to black holes this is a picture from the movie interstellar then

picture from the movie interstellar then

picture from the movie interstellar then if we keep extrapolating in the

if we keep extrapolating in the

if we keep extrapolating in the classical theory of general relativity

classical theory of general relativity

classical theory of general relativity there comes a point where at me at the

there comes a point where at me at the

there comes a point where at me at the event horizon of a black hole the point

event horizon of a black hole the point

event horizon of a black hole the point of no-return beyond which even light

of no-return beyond which even light

of no-return beyond which even light can’t escape if you if you throw

can’t escape if you if you throw

can’t escape if you if you throw something into a black hole to an

something into a black hole to an

something into a black hole to an external observer it would be as if time

external observer it would be as if time

external observer it would be as if time had stopped so the extrapolation here

had stopped so the extrapolation here

had stopped so the extrapolation here similarly to the extrapolation with

similarly to the extrapolation with

similarly to the extrapolation with speed as you approach the speed of light

speed as you approach the speed of light

speed as you approach the speed of light time slows down and stops if we do this

time slows down and stops if we do this

time slows down and stops if we do this with gravity in general and says special

with gravity in general and says special

with gravity in general and says special relativity as gravity goes to infinity

relativity as gravity goes to infinity

relativity as gravity goes to infinity time slows down to the point of stopping

time slows down to the point of stopping

time slows down to the point of stopping now again though time is relative if

now again though time is relative if

now again though time is relative if you’re falling into the black hole you

you’re falling into the black hole you

you’re falling into the black hole you don’t freeze at the border you fall in

don’t freeze at the border you fall in

don’t freeze at the border you fall in and die okay so this is the external

and die okay so this is the external

and die okay so this is the external observer so some day I think it will be

observer so some day I think it will be

observer so some day I think it will be a lot of fun to just park next to a

a lot of fun to just park next to a

a lot of fun to just park next to a black hole and throw stuff at it and

black hole and throw stuff at it and

black hole and throw stuff at it and create this ring of frozen objects that

create this ring of frozen objects that

create this ring of frozen objects that appear frozen in time again though from

appear frozen in time again though from

appear frozen in time again though from the objects perspective it falls in and

the objects perspective it falls in and

the objects perspective it falls in and an is crushed in the singularity most

an is crushed in the singularity most

an is crushed in the singularity most likely according to our current best

likely according to our current best

likely according to our current best understanding now let’s let’s look at a

understanding now let’s let’s look at a

understanding now let’s let’s look at a more recent so we’ve we talked about the

more recent so we’ve we talked about the

more recent so we’ve we talked about the Tipler cylinder and the and the twin

Tipler cylinder and the and the twin

Tipler cylinder and the and the twin paradox these are all go back decades I

paradox these are all go back decades I

paradox these are all go back decades I want to talk about a more recent

want to talk about a more recent

want to talk about a more recent thinking on this topic going in a

thinking on this topic going in a

thinking on this topic going in a different direction although still

different direction although still

different direction although still following one of the earlier themes of

following one of the earlier themes of

following one of the earlier themes of rotation one was negative energy and the

rotation one was negative energy and the

rotation one was negative energy and the other was in each force somehow twisting

other was in each force somehow twisting

other was in each force somehow twisting space-time and so a colleague of mine

space-time and so a colleague of mine

space-time and so a colleague of mine professor Ron mallet at University of

professor Ron mallet at University of

professor Ron mallet at University of Connecticut stores whom I met when I was

Connecticut stores whom I met when I was

Connecticut stores whom I met when I was giving a colloquy

giving a colloquy

giving a colloquy at at University of Connecticut on my

at at University of Connecticut on my

at at University of Connecticut on my research into on my research into Dark

research into on my research into Dark

research into on my research into Dark Matter he’s actually the only real-life

Matter he’s actually the only real-life

Matter he’s actually the only real-life experimental physicist who’s not a

experimental physicist who’s not a

experimental physicist who’s not a crackpot real tenured professor although

crackpot real tenured professor although

crackpot real tenured professor although my um my colleagues always say being a

my um my colleagues always say being a

my um my colleagues always say being a professor of patient he does not

professor of patient he does not

professor of patient he does not guarantee you’re not a crackpot but he’s

guarantee you’re not a crackpot but he’s

guarantee you’re not a crackpot but he’s he’s a real deal and he’s got a new idea

he’s a real deal and he’s got a new idea

he’s a real deal and he’s got a new idea that he came up with only I believe it

that he came up with only I believe it

that he came up with only I believe it was a decade ago now to to create a a

was a decade ago now to to create a a

was a decade ago now to to create a a time to create an effect by which you

time to create an effect by which you

time to create an effect by which you could travel to the past using he has a

could travel to the past using he has a

could travel to the past using he has a completely new idea of how to attack

completely new idea of how to attack

completely new idea of how to attack this problem this is a photo of him with

this problem this is a photo of him with

this problem this is a photo of him with one of his prototypes is not

one of his prototypes is not

one of his prototypes is not photoshopped it’s a real device it

photoshopped it’s a real device it

photoshopped it’s a real device it doesn’t take you to the past yet but but

doesn’t take you to the past yet but but

doesn’t take you to the past yet but but this is a real device that I might

this is a real device that I might

this is a real device that I might explain to you how this works the idea

explain to you how this works the idea

explain to you how this works the idea of dr. mallets idea is that you produce

of dr. mallets idea is that you produce

of dr. mallets idea is that you produce a cylinder of laser light and the you

a cylinder of laser light and the you

a cylinder of laser light and the you use mirrors or something like that you

use mirrors or something like that you

use mirrors or something like that you know that create a circulating laser so

know that create a circulating laser so

know that create a circulating laser so that’s confined to to a spiral

that’s confined to to a spiral

that’s confined to to a spiral essentially along a cylinder and the

essentially along a cylinder and the

essentially along a cylinder and the idea is is that if the laser is strong

idea is is that if the laser is strong

idea is is that if the laser is strong enough you should be able to send

enough you should be able to send

enough you should be able to send something in on one side send a particle

something in on one side send a particle

something in on one side send a particle in on one side and emerges on the other

in on one side and emerges on the other

in on one side and emerges on the other side the cylinder in the past because if

side the cylinder in the past because if

side the cylinder in the past because if the laser light is strong enough it’s

the laser light is strong enough it’s

the laser light is strong enough it’s like it’s like this animation here of

like it’s like this animation here of

like it’s like this animation here of swirling a cup of coffee space and time

swirling a cup of coffee space and time

swirling a cup of coffee space and time itself is rotated and on a small scale

itself is rotated and on a small scale

itself is rotated and on a small scale this also just like the twin effect and

this also just like the twin effect and

this also just like the twin effect and the gravitational slowing of time this

the gravitational slowing of time this

the gravitational slowing of time this is a real effect we’ve that we’ve

is a real effect we’ve that we’ve

is a real effect we’ve that we’ve measured we’ve measured it’s called

measured we’ve measured it’s called

measured we’ve measured it’s called frame dragging from the earth this is

frame dragging from the earth this is

frame dragging from the earth this is just extrapolating this on steroids now

just extrapolating this on steroids now

just extrapolating this on steroids now it remains to be seen

it remains to be seen

it remains to be seen does this really they’re a document of

does this really they’re a document of

does this really they’re a document of course about arguing with is discussing

course about arguing with is discussing

course about arguing with is discussing with his colleagues would it need to be

with his colleagues would it need to be

with his colleagues would it need to be infinitely long to work does this still

infinitely long to work does this still

infinitely long to work does this still need does it need negative energy so the

need does it need negative energy so the

need does it need negative energy so the last topic I’m going to hit so these are

last topic I’m going to hit so these are

last topic I’m going to hit so these are all the examples of ideas of what we can

all the examples of ideas of what we can

all the examples of ideas of what we can do and a lot of these are from

do and a lot of these are from

do and a lot of these are from relativity but let’s think also about

relativity but let’s think also about

relativity but let’s think also about quantum mechanics which is so relativity

quantum mechanics which is so relativity

quantum mechanics which is so relativity tells us about gravity and about speed

tells us about gravity and about speed

tells us about gravity and about speed with the speed of light but there’s also

with the speed of light but there’s also

with the speed of light but there’s also a whole other area of physics explains

a whole other area of physics explains

a whole other area of physics explains the world of the very small that

the world of the very small that

the world of the very small that explains particle physics and that’s

explains particle physics and that’s

explains particle physics and that’s quantum mechanics in quantum mechanics

quantum mechanics in quantum mechanics

quantum mechanics in quantum mechanics we can try to attack the question of

we can try to attack the question of

we can try to attack the question of whether time travel is possible

whether time travel is possible

whether time travel is possible looking at particles proton and electron

looking at particles proton and electron

looking at particles proton and electron or a photon traveling what if it

or a photon traveling what if it

or a photon traveling what if it interacts with itself in the past what

interacts with itself in the past what

interacts with itself in the past what does that even mean if it prevents its

does that even mean if it prevents its

does that even mean if it prevents its own trajectory through a wormhole for

own trajectory through a wormhole for

own trajectory through a wormhole for example and that’s a variation on things

example and that’s a variation on things

example and that’s a variation on things like the grandfather a paradox about

like the grandfather a paradox about

like the grandfather a paradox about breaking it down into into subatomic

breaking it down into into subatomic

breaking it down into into subatomic particles so time travel if it is

particles so time travel if it is

particles so time travel if it is allowed we would need to under we need a

allowed we would need to under we need a

allowed we would need to under we need a full fury of physics combining our

full fury of physics combining our

full fury of physics combining our understanding of quantum mechanics and

understanding of quantum mechanics and

understanding of quantum mechanics and relativity to get a full answer as to

relativity to get a full answer as to

relativity to get a full answer as to whether it’s possible or not right now

whether it’s possible or not right now

whether it’s possible or not right now we don’t have we we don’t have one

we don’t have we we don’t have one

we don’t have we we don’t have one simple set of equations we can write

simple set of equations we can write

simple set of equations we can write down that explains the entire universe

down that explains the entire universe

down that explains the entire universe including gravity and particle physics

including gravity and particle physics

including gravity and particle physics all at once there are if time travel is

all at once there are if time travel is

all at once there are if time travel is possible I can’t give a talk on on that

possible I can’t give a talk on on that

possible I can’t give a talk on on that topic without mentioning paradoxes my

topic without mentioning paradoxes my

topic without mentioning paradoxes my favorite though is I think even more

favorite though is I think even more

favorite though is I think even more complicated than you know killing one of

complicated than you know killing one of

complicated than you know killing one of your ancestors or a particle bumping

your ancestors or a particle bumping

your ancestors or a particle bumping into itself in the past but there’s the

into itself in the past but there’s the

into itself in the past but there’s the ontological paradox so here we see

ontological paradox so here we see

ontological paradox so here we see Calvin trying to steal his homework from

Calvin trying to steal his homework from

Calvin trying to steal his homework from himself so he doesn’t have to do it so

himself so he doesn’t have to do it so

himself so he doesn’t have to do it so if time travel is possible it leads to

if time travel is possible it leads to

if time travel is possible it leads to this serious issue of information

this serious issue of information

this serious issue of information without a source which in quantum

without a source which in quantum

without a source which in quantum mechanics is a very serious problem we

mechanics is a very serious problem we

mechanics is a very serious problem we how can we if if time travel is real

how can we if if time travel is real

how can we if if time travel is real forget about the paradoxes of you know

forget about the paradoxes of you know

forget about the paradoxes of you know killing you’re of killing one of your

killing you’re of killing one of your

killing you’re of killing one of your ancestors either by accident or on

ancestors either by accident or on

ancestors either by accident or on purpose but because what happens if you

purpose but because what happens if you

purpose but because what happens if you have objects or ideas without an origin

have objects or ideas without an origin

have objects or ideas without an origin that are essentially closed loops so

that are essentially closed loops so

that are essentially closed loops so this is very very very very bizarre so

this is very very very very bizarre so

this is very very very very bizarre so one solution by a physicist David

one solution by a physicist David

one solution by a physicist David Deutsch is that you’ve probably heard of

Deutsch is that you’ve probably heard of

Deutsch is that you’ve probably heard of the solution of parallel universes

the solution of parallel universes

the solution of parallel universes oh it’s no time there are no paradoxes

oh it’s no time there are no paradoxes

oh it’s no time there are no paradoxes you just make another timeline another

you just make another timeline another

you just make another timeline another explanation is predestination if you try

explanation is predestination if you try

explanation is predestination if you try to assassinate Hitler your gun will

to assassinate Hitler your gun will

to assassinate Hitler your gun will always Jam personally I think that’s a

always Jam personally I think that’s a

always Jam personally I think that’s a lousy explanation it’s not

lousy explanation it’s not

lousy explanation it’s not intellectually satisfying then there’s a

intellectually satisfying then there’s a

intellectually satisfying then there’s a third explanation that’s not explored

third explanation that’s not explored

third explanation that’s not explored very often not even in fiction because

very often not even in fiction because

very often not even in fiction because it’s so bizarre and that is the idea

it’s so bizarre and that is the idea

it’s so bizarre and that is the idea that if you did if you did try to create

that if you did if you did try to create

that if you did if you did try to create a paradox the universe becomes a mobius

a paradox the universe becomes a mobius

a paradox the universe becomes a mobius strip and you have two timelines

strip and you have two timelines

strip and you have two timelines existing simultaneously and so if you go

existing simultaneously and so if you go

existing simultaneously and so if you go back in time and kill your grandfather

back in time and kill your grandfather

back in time and kill your grandfather or your mother

or your mother

or your mother you become you’re both dead and alive at

you become you’re both dead and alive at

you become you’re both dead and alive at like Schrodinger’s cat you’re 50% dead

like Schrodinger’s cat you’re 50% dead

like Schrodinger’s cat you’re 50% dead 50% alive what does that even mean

50% alive what does that even mean

50% alive what does that even mean though and that’s that’s a difficult

though and that’s that’s a difficult

though and that’s that’s a difficult question since quantum mechanics is

question since quantum mechanics is

question since quantum mechanics is about particles we are collections of

about particles we are collections of

about particles we are collections of vast numbers of particles tend to a very

vast numbers of particles tend to a very

vast numbers of particles tend to a very large number and so it’s not clear what

large number and so it’s not clear what

large number and so it’s not clear what the what these what the eerie quantum

the what these what the eerie quantum

the what these what the eerie quantum effects mean for large collections of

effects mean for large collections of

effects mean for large collections of atoms like ourselves so all of these

atoms like ourselves so all of these

atoms like ourselves so all of these ideas parallel universes and and this

ideas parallel universes and and this

ideas parallel universes and and this predestination paradox

predestination paradox

predestination paradox are explored in fiction all the time

are explored in fiction all the time

are explored in fiction all the time we’ve got the flash Twilight Zone Star

we’ve got the flash Twilight Zone Star

we’ve got the flash Twilight Zone Star Trek things like that every so often we

Trek things like that every so often we

Trek things like that every so often we have supposedly real-life evidence of

have supposedly real-life evidence of

have supposedly real-life evidence of time travel that’s always really easy to

time travel that’s always really easy to

time travel that’s always really easy to debunk though such as the infamous cell

debunk though such as the infamous cell

debunk though such as the infamous cell phone in the Charlie Chaplin movie the

phone in the Charlie Chaplin movie the

phone in the Charlie Chaplin movie the circus which was very easily explained

circus which was very easily explained

circus which was very easily explained away as a as an earpiece for for the

away as a as an earpiece for for the

away as a as an earpiece for for the hearing-impaired so these are usually

hearing-impaired so these are usually

hearing-impaired so these are usually pretty easy to debunk we don’t have any

pretty easy to debunk we don’t have any

pretty easy to debunk we don’t have any really robust evidence that there are

really robust evidence that there are

really robust evidence that there are time travelers among us except of course

time travelers among us except of course

time travelers among us except of course there’s the composer Gustav Mahler who

there’s the composer Gustav Mahler who

there’s the composer Gustav Mahler who looks exactly like me so I actually in

looks exactly like me so I actually in

looks exactly like me so I actually in fact I filled my wife with that one on

fact I filled my wife with that one on

fact I filled my wife with that one on Facebook she said how did you get a

Facebook she said how did you get a

Facebook she said how did you get a daguerreotype photo of yourself that’s

daguerreotype photo of yourself that’s

daguerreotype photo of yourself that’s amazing

amazing

amazing that was it That’s not me all right so

that was it That’s not me all right so

that was it That’s not me all right so tourists from the future though are

tourists from the future though are

tourists from the future though are always brought up by Stephen Hawking and

always brought up by Stephen Hawking and

always brought up by Stephen Hawking and Neil deGrasse Tyson who I hope see this

Neil deGrasse Tyson who I hope see this

Neil deGrasse Tyson who I hope see this on youtube I hope I can’t to stare

on youtube I hope I can’t to stare

on youtube I hope I can’t to stare attention because I the humble professor

attention because I the humble professor

attention because I the humble professor from UAlbany I’m gonna tell them that

from UAlbany I’m gonna tell them that

from UAlbany I’m gonna tell them that they’re wrong about something very

they’re wrong about something very

they’re wrong about something very important so I’m gonna boldly declare

important so I’m gonna boldly declare

important so I’m gonna boldly declare that time travel is not disproven by a

that time travel is not disproven by a

that time travel is not disproven by a lack of tourists in the future and the

lack of tourists in the future and the

lack of tourists in the future and the reason is easy and in fact since I’m not

reason is easy and in fact since I’m not

reason is easy and in fact since I’m not expert generativity they are they should

expert generativity they are they should

expert generativity they are they should know because in general relativity it’s

know because in general relativity it’s

know because in general relativity it’s very easy to show that for example

very easy to show that for example

very easy to show that for example wormholes this is a classic example this

wormholes this is a classic example this

wormholes this is a classic example this you can’t even if time travel is real

you can’t even if time travel is real

you can’t even if time travel is real you can’t go back

you can’t go back

you can’t go back before you made the machine so if I’d

before you made the machine so if I’d

before you made the machine so if I’d use a wormhole for example time travel

use a wormhole for example time travel

use a wormhole for example time travel the day that I punch the wormhole that’s

the day that I punch the wormhole that’s

the day that I punch the wormhole that’s the first day I can go back to from the

the first day I can go back to from the

the first day I can go back to from the future to that day I can’t go back

future to that day I can’t go back

future to that day I can’t go back further than the past then the moment I

further than the past then the moment I

further than the past then the moment I created the machine or phenomenon there

created the machine or phenomenon there

created the machine or phenomenon there are exceptions of course what if there’s

are exceptions of course what if there’s

are exceptions of course what if there’s naturally occurring wormholes that have

naturally occurring wormholes that have

naturally occurring wormholes that have been around since the big since the

been around since the big since the

been around since the big since the beginning of time things like that but

beginning of time things like that but

beginning of time things like that but in general I’m not worried about the

in general I’m not worried about the

in general I’m not worried about the lack of tourists from the future because

lack of tourists from the future because

lack of tourists from the future because it just means time travel hasn’t been

it just means time travel hasn’t been

it just means time travel hasn’t been invented yet so I don’t see a problem

invented yet so I don’t see a problem

invented yet so I don’t see a problem with that so in conclusion the problems

with that so in conclusion the problems

with that so in conclusion the problems we have with time travel based on our

we have with time travel based on our

we have with time travel based on our current understanding of physics are

current understanding of physics are

current understanding of physics are unfortunately numerous you need to go

unfortunately numerous you need to go

unfortunately numerous you need to go faster than light build a device of

faster than light build a device of

faster than light build a device of infinite length use negative energy or

infinite length use negative energy or

infinite length use negative energy or infinite energy you would need something

infinite energy you would need something

infinite energy you would need something gravitationally gravitationally

gravitationally gravitationally

gravitationally gravitationally repulsive if we extrapolate as I was

repulsive if we extrapolate as I was

repulsive if we extrapolate as I was talking about how increasing gravity

talking about how increasing gravity

talking about how increasing gravity slows time down and gets you to the

slows time down and gets you to the

slows time down and gets you to the future to get to the past you’d need

future to get to the past you’d need

future to get to the past you’d need something that we we don’t know exists

something that we we don’t know exists

something that we we don’t know exists and we don’t even have a model or

and we don’t even have a model or

and we don’t even have a model or hypothesis that predicts any sort of

hypothesis that predicts any sort of

hypothesis that predicts any sort of particle or material with the requisite

particle or material with the requisite

particle or material with the requisite type of negative energy so I’m gonna

type of negative energy so I’m gonna

type of negative energy so I’m gonna conclude that it’s unlikely that a human

conclude that it’s unlikely that a human

conclude that it’s unlikely that a human will ever travel through time at least

will ever travel through time at least

will ever travel through time at least into the past with a fine tunable

into the past with a fine tunable

into the past with a fine tunable machine with an on/off switch like we

machine with an on/off switch like we

machine with an on/off switch like we want an in fiction

want an in fiction

want an in fiction however I will make the bold optimistic

however I will make the bold optimistic

however I will make the bold optimistic prediction that once we’ve figured out

prediction that once we’ve figured out

prediction that once we’ve figured out how to marry relativity and quantum

how to marry relativity and quantum

how to marry relativity and quantum mechanics and we have a full fury of

mechanics and we have a full fury of

mechanics and we have a full fury of everything that I

everything that I

everything that I think that time travel will be possible

think that time travel will be possible

think that time travel will be possible for subatomic particles so that it’ll be

for subatomic particles so that it’ll be

for subatomic particles so that it’ll be possible to communicate for example have

possible to communicate for example have

possible to communicate for example have some sort of time telephone or telegraph

some sort of time telephone or telegraph

some sort of time telephone or telegraph and I’m gonna boldly predict with no

and I’m gonna boldly predict with no

and I’m gonna boldly predict with no nothing to back this claim up but that

nothing to back this claim up but that

nothing to back this claim up but that within a hundred years we’ll get to the

within a hundred years we’ll get to the

within a hundred years we’ll get to the point where we have the technology to

point where we have the technology to

point where we have the technology to send a subatomic particle a tiny

send a subatomic particle a tiny

send a subatomic particle a tiny fraction of a second into the past not

fraction of a second into the past not

fraction of a second into the past not carrying any useful information

carrying any useful information

carrying any useful information initially now in order for that to be

initially now in order for that to be

initially now in order for that to be feasible though time travel would have

feasible though time travel would have

feasible though time travel would have to be taken seriously which it isn’t and

to be taken seriously which it isn’t and

to be taken seriously which it isn’t and no one would actually be working on it

no one would actually be working on it

no one would actually be working on it other than other than Ron mallet I don’t

other than other than Ron mallet I don’t

other than other than Ron mallet I don’t know of anyone else who’s really taking

know of anyone else who’s really taking

know of anyone else who’s really taking it seriously in terms of experimental

it seriously in terms of experimental

it seriously in terms of experimental physicists there are many theoretical

physicists there are many theoretical

physicists there are many theoretical physicists who do write on papers on it

physicists who do write on papers on it

physicists who do write on papers on it who work on general relativity but I

who work on general relativity but I

who work on general relativity but I don’t know other the other than run mail

don’t know other the other than run mail

don’t know other the other than run mail and I don’t know anyone else who’s

and I don’t know anyone else who’s

and I don’t know anyone else who’s taking it seriously enough to try to

taking it seriously enough to try to

taking it seriously enough to try to build something and I think in order for

build something and I think in order for

build something and I think in order for my optimistic prediction to come true it

my optimistic prediction to come true it

my optimistic prediction to come true it would have to be taken seriously and

would have to be taken seriously and

would have to be taken seriously and pursued by large numbers of the

pursued by large numbers of the

pursued by large numbers of the brightest minds in order for even in a

brightest minds in order for even in a

brightest minds in order for even in a hundred years even for my my this

hundred years even for my my this

hundred years even for my my this prediction is way too optimistic for my

prediction is way too optimistic for my

prediction is way too optimistic for my colleagues but people but in general

colleagues but people but in general

colleagues but people but in general nine nine scientists say no that’s not

nine nine scientists say no that’s not

nine nine scientists say no that’s not good enough what do you mean subatomic

good enough what do you mean subatomic

good enough what do you mean subatomic particles I want to get in the time

particles I want to get in the time

particles I want to get in the time machine and so I’m gonna conclude with

machine and so I’m gonna conclude with

machine and so I’m gonna conclude with this ever a lot of what I talked about

this ever a lot of what I talked about

this ever a lot of what I talked about today wouldn’t be possible obviously

today wouldn’t be possible obviously

today wouldn’t be possible obviously with Einsteins a seminal work and and I

with Einsteins a seminal work and and I

with Einsteins a seminal work and and I always throw out this photo of Einstein

always throw out this photo of Einstein

always throw out this photo of Einstein because we got to remember that he

because we got to remember that he

because we got to remember that he didn’t always have gray hair you know he

didn’t always have gray hair you know he

didn’t always have gray hair you know he was born he was a baby and he there was

was born he was a baby and he there was

was born he was a baby and he there was a point in which he did not have gray

a point in which he did not have gray

a point in which he did not have gray hair yet so I always like throwing out

hair yet so I always like throwing out

hair yet so I always like throwing out that image so that’s all I’ve got thank

that image so that’s all I’ve got thank

that image so that’s all I’ve got thank you

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