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being with us today and Ian we’re really

being with us today and Ian we’re really excited about the message that you can

excited about the message that you can

excited about the message that you can share with our community so I think

share with our community so I think

share with our community so I think going off of Watson’s introduction of

going off of Watson’s introduction of

going off of Watson’s introduction of you we just want to hear a little bit

you we just want to hear a little bit

you we just want to hear a little bit about the services that Chris provides

about the services that Chris provides

about the services that Chris provides for refugees and immigrants in Columbus

for refugees and immigrants in Columbus

for refugees and immigrants in Columbus and a little bit of insight into what

and a little bit of insight into what

and a little bit of insight into what you do sure so thank you so much for

you do sure so thank you so much for

you do sure so thank you so much for inviting me chris is community refugee

inviting me chris is community refugee

inviting me chris is community refugee and Immigration Services and we were

and Immigration Services and we were

and Immigration Services and we were founded in nineteen ninety-five our

founded in nineteen ninety-five our

founded in nineteen ninety-five our first office was in the garage at the

first office was in the garage at the

first office was in the garage at the Laotian temple on the east side and

Laotian temple on the east side and

Laotian temple on the east side and we’ve graduated from a garage and now

we’ve graduated from a garage and now

we’ve graduated from a garage and now actually have a building so about 60

actually have a building so about 60

actually have a building so about 60 employees now aside from the nine that I

employees now aside from the nine that I

employees now aside from the nine that I had to lay off last week Chris does

had to lay off last week Chris does

had to lay off last week Chris does refugee resettlement work which means we

refugee resettlement work which means we

refugee resettlement work which means we help refugees who have come directly

help refugees who have come directly

help refugees who have come directly from overseas get settled into their

from overseas get settled into their

from overseas get settled into their housing social security office health

housing social security office health

housing social security office health screening all those things that need to

screening all those things that need to

screening all those things that need to happen that first 90 days that a refugee

happen that first 90 days that a refugee

happen that first 90 days that a refugee comes to the US and then after that we

comes to the US and then after that we

comes to the US and then after that we pick up with programs to help people

pick up with programs to help people

pick up with programs to help people find jobs learn English we have legal

find jobs learn English we have legal

find jobs learn English we have legal services program how I got involved in

services program how I got involved in

services program how I got involved in 1998 as a volunteer lawyer and I never

1998 as a volunteer lawyer and I never

1998 as a volunteer lawyer and I never seem to leave so yeah I’ve been I’ve

seem to leave so yeah I’ve been I’ve

seem to leave so yeah I’ve been I’ve been there for a while probably oh my

been there for a while probably oh my

been there for a while probably oh my gosh were you even born then not quite

so for a few days I’ve been working

so for a few days I’ve been working there a few days so where’s the

there a few days so where’s the

there a few days so where’s the connection really start with you do you

connection really start with you do you

connection really start with you do you connect with the refugees and immigrants

connect with the refugees and immigrants

connect with the refugees and immigrants before they come to America’s so how

before they come to America’s so how

before they come to America’s so how does that start off we do have some

does that start off we do have some

does that start off we do have some involvement in helping file applications

involvement in helping file applications

involvement in helping file applications for people before they come but the way

for people before they come but the way

for people before they come but the way the processing works is somebody is

the processing works is somebody is

the processing works is somebody is forced to leave their home country they

forced to leave their home country they

forced to leave their home country they flee to another country and I’ll use the

flee to another country and I’ll use the

flee to another country and I’ll use the example of the Bhutanese because I don’t

example of the Bhutanese because I don’t

example of the Bhutanese because I don’t think many people are aware that

think many people are aware that

think many people are aware that Columbus actually has the largest

Columbus actually has the largest

Columbus actually has the largest Bhutanese Nepali refugee population in

Bhutanese Nepali refugee population in

Bhutanese Nepali refugee population in the country so

the Bhutanese were forced out in the

the Bhutanese were forced out in the early 90s and went to Nepal their new

early 90s and went to Nepal their new

early 90s and went to Nepal their new poly ethnicity and predominantly Hindu

poly ethnicity and predominantly Hindu

poly ethnicity and predominantly Hindu and they then lived in a refugee camp

and they then lived in a refugee camp

and they then lived in a refugee camp for almost 20 years it’s the United

for almost 20 years it’s the United

for almost 20 years it’s the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees

Nations High Commissioner for Refugees

Nations High Commissioner for Refugees job to provide protection and so they’re

job to provide protection and so they’re

job to provide protection and so they’re in the camp and they sit there and they

in the camp and they sit there and they

in the camp and they sit there and they sit there and they start businesses and

sit there and they start businesses and

sit there and they start businesses and they start forming a structure for

they start forming a structure for

they start forming a structure for education and so some of the children

education and so some of the children

education and so some of the children you know get education while they’re

you know get education while they’re

you know get education while they’re there and the first priority for the UN

there and the first priority for the UN

there and the first priority for the UN is that people repatriate that they go

is that people repatriate that they go

is that people repatriate that they go home that’s the first choice of you know

home that’s the first choice of you know

home that’s the first choice of you know for any refugee can they go home but

for any refugee can they go home but

for any refugee can they go home but typically that’s not possible so the

typically that’s not possible so the

typically that’s not possible so the second choice then is they would be

second choice then is they would be

second choice then is they would be integrated into the country that they

integrated into the country that they

integrated into the country that they fled to so in this case Nepal you know

fled to so in this case Nepal you know

fled to so in this case Nepal you know they speak the language they’re more

they speak the language they’re more

they speak the language they’re more culturally similar but Nepal couldn’t

culturally similar but Nepal couldn’t

culturally similar but Nepal couldn’t observe them either and so they waited

observe them either and so they waited

observe them either and so they waited for 20 years for some international

for 20 years for some international

for 20 years for some international solution finally the United States said

solution finally the United States said

solution finally the United States said ok we’ll take 60,000 Bhutanese refugees

ok we’ll take 60,000 Bhutanese refugees

ok we’ll take 60,000 Bhutanese refugees over a period of you know six or so

over a period of you know six or so

over a period of you know six or so years so they’ve been coming now a

years so they’ve been coming now a

years so they’ve been coming now a little more than that so actually

little more than that so actually

little more than that so actually getting to the end of that pipeline but

getting to the end of that pipeline but

getting to the end of that pipeline but we’re seeing people who are buying

we’re seeing people who are buying

we’re seeing people who are buying houses now in sort of the blacklick area

houses now in sort of the blacklick area

houses now in sort of the blacklick area so it’s been it’s been great to see

so it’s been it’s been great to see

so it’s been it’s been great to see their progress yeah I think I’m one

their progress yeah I think I’m one

their progress yeah I think I’m one question that comes to mind people

question that comes to mind people

question that comes to mind people always wonder how do people from all

always wonder how do people from all

always wonder how do people from all around the world end up in Columbus you

around the world end up in Columbus you

around the world end up in Columbus you know we’re not on either coast we’re

know we’re not on either coast we’re

know we’re not on either coast we’re kind of some center of the country how

kind of some center of the country how

kind of some center of the country how does that work so with the with the

does that work so with the with the

does that work so with the with the boonies for example they started out the

boonies for example they started out the

boonies for example they started out the first group that came they didn’t know

first group that came they didn’t know

first group that came they didn’t know anybody in the US so the way refugee

anybody in the US so the way refugee

anybody in the US so the way refugee resettlement works is then if if

resettlement works is then if if

resettlement works is then if if refugees are referred to a third country

refugees are referred to a third country

refugees are referred to a third country for resettlement like the United States

for resettlement like the United States

for resettlement like the United States which takes less than one percent of the

which takes less than one percent of the

which takes less than one percent of the world’s refugee population for

world’s refugee population for

world’s refugee population for resettlement then the people are

resettlement then the people are

resettlement then the people are allocated based on if they have a family

allocated based on if they have a family

allocated based on if they have a family member already here then they would go

member already here then they would go

member already here then they would go to that location so with the boonies

to that location so with the boonies

to that location so with the boonies example they get allocated amongst the

example they get allocated amongst the

example they get allocated amongst the nine

nine

nine tional resettlement agencies we resettle

tional resettlement agencies we resettle

tional resettlement agencies we resettle for two church world service and

for two church world service and

for two church world service and Episcopal migration ministries and those

Episcopal migration ministries and those

Episcopal migration ministries and those nine take a percentage of whatever the

nine take a percentage of whatever the

nine take a percentage of whatever the annual pool is so was 85,000 last year

annual pool is so was 85,000 last year

annual pool is so was 85,000 last year so they spread that 85,000 out so those

so they spread that 85,000 out so those

so they spread that 85,000 out so those who don’t have family members just get

who don’t have family members just get

who don’t have family members just get put into the pool there are localities

put into the pool there are localities

put into the pool there are localities like ours that say well we have capacity

like ours that say well we have capacity

like ours that say well we have capacity to work with Nepali speakers you know

to work with Nepali speakers you know

to work with Nepali speakers you know somali speakers Arabic speakers and so

somali speakers Arabic speakers and so

somali speakers Arabic speakers and so there’s a grand plan for where people

there’s a grand plan for where people

there’s a grand plan for where people will go but if they have family already

will go but if they have family already

will go but if they have family already here then it gets to be kind of a

here then it gets to be kind of a

here then it gets to be kind of a snowball effect so then they come to

snowball effect so then they come to

snowball effect so then they come to join their family but with the Bhutanese

join their family but with the Bhutanese

join their family but with the Bhutanese which is which was also common for

which is which was also common for

which is which was also common for Somalis I mean Columbus became a you

Somalis I mean Columbus became a you

Somalis I mean Columbus became a you know a hub and a welcoming community and

know a hub and a welcoming community and

know a hub and a welcoming community and people tell their friends and they hear

people tell their friends and they hear

people tell their friends and they hear this is a good place to live and work

this is a good place to live and work

this is a good place to live and work and they can find service sector jobs

and they can find service sector jobs

and they can find service sector jobs and so you know it becomes a magnet so

and so you know it becomes a magnet so

and so you know it becomes a magnet so so that’s why Columbus ISM is a hub for

so that’s why Columbus ISM is a hub for

so that’s why Columbus ISM is a hub for a lot of refugees and so you meant it a

a lot of refugees and so you meant it a

a lot of refugees and so you meant it a little bit the the family connections

little bit the the family connections

little bit the the family connections people trying to come reunite with their

people trying to come reunite with their

people trying to come reunite with their families how long does that process

families how long does that process

families how long does that process usually take so the State Department

usually take so the State Department

usually take so the State Department reopened a process in fall of 2012 this

reopened a process in fall of 2012 this

reopened a process in fall of 2012 this is just we’re just talking about

is just we’re just talking about

is just we’re just talking about refugees there’s a whole other system

refugees there’s a whole other system

refugees there’s a whole other system for filing for immigrant visas so we had

for filing for immigrant visas so we had

for filing for immigrant visas so we had many many people filing in in 2012 and

many many people filing in in 2012 and

many many people filing in in 2012 and then subsequently so a few of those

then subsequently so a few of those

then subsequently so a few of those folks that filed in 2012 have come so

folks that filed in 2012 have come so

folks that filed in 2012 have come so it’s taking three and a half four years

it’s taking three and a half four years

it’s taking three and a half four years plus they go through DNA testing to

plus they go through DNA testing to

plus they go through DNA testing to prove their related to someone here they

prove their related to someone here they

prove their related to someone here they go through a series of many interviews

go through a series of many interviews

go through a series of many interviews they go through what I’ll call extreme

they go through what I’ll call extreme

they go through what I’ll call extreme feting and then they’re able to come

feting and then they’re able to come

feting and then they’re able to come join their family member in the US so I

join their family member in the US so I

join their family member in the US so I guess on extreme betting a little bit

guess on extreme betting a little bit

guess on extreme betting a little bit where do you kind of where do you see

where do you kind of where do you see

where do you kind of where do you see that going so you’ve mentioned you you

that going so you’ve mentioned you you

that going so you’ve mentioned you you kind of consider what the vetting that’s

kind of consider what the vetting that’s

kind of consider what the vetting that’s already taking place extreme betting so

already taking place extreme betting so

already taking place extreme betting so what kind of things do you think they

what kind of things do you think they

what kind of things do you think they could do to make it more extreme it’s

could do to make it more extreme it’s

could do to make it more extreme it’s hard for me to know how they could

hard for me to know how they could

hard for me to know how they could enhance it further and I was talking to

enhance it further and I was talking to

enhance it further and I was talking to caroline on the phone and referencing

caroline on the phone and referencing

caroline on the phone and referencing there was a really well written article

there was a really well written article

there was a really well written article in the

in the

in the Tim post this week written by Homeland

Tim post this week written by Homeland

Tim post this week written by Homeland Security employee who said we already

Security employee who said we already

Security employee who said we already have extreme vetting I know because I

have extreme vetting I know because I

have extreme vetting I know because I did it and it we only have a certain

did it and it we only have a certain

did it and it we only have a certain amount of time to talk about all the

amount of time to talk about all the

amount of time to talk about all the steps but there are many many interviews

steps but there are many many interviews

steps but there are many many interviews with many different with Homeland

with many different with Homeland

with many different with Homeland Security and a State Department

Security and a State Department

Security and a State Department contractor and all kinds of databases

contractor and all kinds of databases

contractor and all kinds of databases and security clearances and the thing to

and security clearances and the thing to

and security clearances and the thing to know is if there is any doubt the person

know is if there is any doubt the person

know is if there is any doubt the person won’t be approved to come and going off

won’t be approved to come and going off

won’t be approved to come and going off of that a little bit so they go through

of that a little bit so they go through

of that a little bit so they go through this process is any of this time

this process is any of this time

this process is any of this time sensitive like what are kind of the

sensitive like what are kind of the

sensitive like what are kind of the implications of the recent executive

implications of the recent executive

implications of the recent executive order on on that whole process so as we

order on on that whole process so as we

order on on that whole process so as we talked about this is changing every five

talked about this is changing every five

talked about this is changing every five minutes and I peeked at my phone and saw

minutes and I peeked at my phone and saw

minutes and I peeked at my phone and saw that so there was the executive order

that so there was the executive order

that so there was the executive order which you know band arrivals then we had

which you know band arrivals then we had

which you know band arrivals then we had a court order that throughout parts of

a court order that throughout parts of

a court order that throughout parts of that band piece of that band that was

that band piece of that band that was

that band piece of that band that was not thrown out was the the piece that

not thrown out was the the piece that

not thrown out was the the piece that cut the refugee arrivals in half that

cut the refugee arrivals in half that

cut the refugee arrivals in half that was that still stands but then 10

was that still stands but then 10

was that still stands but then 10 minutes ago or whenever I saw notice

minutes ago or whenever I saw notice

minutes ago or whenever I saw notice that that the government has filed an

that that the government has filed an

that that the government has filed an appeal so it’s all very much in flux

appeal so it’s all very much in flux

appeal so it’s all very much in flux what’s what’s happening right now what’s

what’s what’s happening right now what’s

what’s what’s happening right now what’s with difficult from my perspective is

with difficult from my perspective is

with difficult from my perspective is that I sit across the desk from those

that I sit across the desk from those

that I sit across the desk from those people who filed applications for years

people who filed applications for years

people who filed applications for years ago and I every day in the parking lot

ago and I every day in the parking lot

ago and I every day in the parking lot and trying to get out of my car without

and trying to get out of my car without

and trying to get out of my car without somebody stopping me before you know to

somebody stopping me before you know to

somebody stopping me before you know to say what’s happening with my case what’s

say what’s happening with my case what’s

say what’s happening with my case what’s happening with my case and I’ll say

happening with my case and I’ll say

happening with my case and I’ll say we’re just we’re just waiting we’re just

we’re just we’re just waiting we’re just

we’re just we’re just waiting we’re just waiting and waiting and so you know we

waiting and waiting and so you know we

waiting and waiting and so you know we put this process out there for families

put this process out there for families

put this process out there for families to be together and the band was in my

to be together and the band was in my

to be together and the band was in my mind not thought through and that it

mind not thought through and that it

mind not thought through and that it affected people who were in flight so

affected people who were in flight so

affected people who were in flight so I’m

I’m

I’m you know seeing I have children and I

you know seeing I have children and I

you know seeing I have children and I have the good fortune of never having

have the good fortune of never having

have the good fortune of never having had to live in another country from them

had to live in another country from them

had to live in another country from them have never had to make the decision to

have never had to make the decision to

have never had to make the decision to take one child and have to leave the

take one child and have to leave the

take one child and have to leave the other one with Grandma while I try to

other one with Grandma while I try to

other one with Grandma while I try to make my way and see if i can find safety

make my way and see if i can find safety

make my way and see if i can find safety with the promise that i can apply for

with the promise that i can apply for

with the promise that i can apply for that child when I you know get to the

that child when I you know get to the

that child when I you know get to the United States I’ve never been in that

United States I’ve never been in that

United States I’ve never been in that position and I’m very thankful for that

position and I’m very thankful for that

position and I’m very thankful for that but I know a lot of people who have been

but I know a lot of people who have been

but I know a lot of people who have been in that position and they followed the

in that position and they followed the

in that position and they followed the rules and I sometimes forget because I’m

rules and I sometimes forget because I’m

rules and I sometimes forget because I’m so immersed in refugee issues that have

so immersed in refugee issues that have

so immersed in refugee issues that have to talk about refugee 101 so what

to talk about refugee 101 so what

to talk about refugee 101 so what happens in the United States is not like

happens in the United States is not like

happens in the United States is not like what’s happening in Europe everybody

what’s happening in Europe everybody

what’s happening in Europe everybody every refugee is approved before they

every refugee is approved before they

every refugee is approved before they come here they go through this extensive

come here they go through this extensive

come here they go through this extensive vetting process that takes at least 18

vetting process that takes at least 18

vetting process that takes at least 18 to 24 months and you may have heard

to 24 months and you may have heard

to 24 months and you may have heard there was there was an issue with two

there was there was an issue with two

there was there was an issue with two Iraqis in Kentucky a few years ago and

Iraqis in Kentucky a few years ago and

Iraqis in Kentucky a few years ago and the process was slow down and the

the process was slow down and the

the process was slow down and the wedding was enhanced and it’s been

wedding was enhanced and it’s been

wedding was enhanced and it’s been enhanced and enhanced and I I just from

enhanced and enhanced and I I just from

enhanced and enhanced and I I just from the way the executive order was

the way the executive order was

the way the executive order was implemented it calls into question how

implemented it calls into question how

implemented it calls into question how much how much information is being

much how much information is being

much how much information is being gathered from all the State Department

gathered from all the State Department

gathered from all the State Department and homeland security people who have

and homeland security people who have

and homeland security people who have been doing this work for so long you

been doing this work for so long you

been doing this work for so long you know that I’m hopeful that there’s that

know that I’m hopeful that there’s that

know that I’m hopeful that there’s that they’re looking at you know how does

they’re looking at you know how does

they’re looking at you know how does this how does this really work and I

this how does this really work and I

this how does this really work and I think they’ll they’ll find more

think they’ll they’ll find more

think they’ll they’ll find more reassurance is once they’ve explored

reassurance is once they’ve explored

reassurance is once they’ve explored that yeah I mean we were we were lucky

that yeah I mean we were we were lucky

that yeah I mean we were we were lucky enough to hear this evening from one of

enough to hear this evening from one of

enough to hear this evening from one of our own faculty members miss guerito she

our own faculty members miss guerito she

our own faculty members miss guerito she told us a bit about her experience and

told us a bit about her experience and

told us a bit about her experience and that she’s sensing in the time that

that she’s sensing in the time that

that she’s sensing in the time that she’s been in the united states that

she’s been in the united states that

she’s been in the united states that attitudes towards immigrants are

attitudes towards immigrants are

attitudes towards immigrants are changing she felt much more welcome when

changing she felt much more welcome when

changing she felt much more welcome when she first moved here the perception was

she first moved here the perception was

she first moved here the perception was that you know immigrants were people

that you know immigrants were people

that you know immigrants were people that were excited to be here and wanted

that were excited to be here and wanted

that were excited to be here and wanted to work make this country better

to work make this country better

to work make this country better contribute and now people are a little

contribute and now people are a little

contribute and now people are a little more uncertain they’re not as welcoming

more uncertain they’re not as welcoming

more uncertain they’re not as welcoming is that something that you feel in the

is that something that you feel in the

is that something that you feel in the columbus community is that reflected

columbus community is that reflected

columbus community is that reflected here

here

here we’ve certainly been extremely fortunate

we’ve certainly been extremely fortunate

we’ve certainly been extremely fortunate with our public officials the mayor and

with our public officials the mayor and

with our public officials the mayor and city council county commissioners have

city council county commissioners have

city council county commissioners have been extremely welcoming and supportive

been extremely welcoming and supportive

been extremely welcoming and supportive for you know many years so we’ve been

for you know many years so we’ve been

for you know many years so we’ve been lucky in Columbus what I will say is

lucky in Columbus what I will say is

lucky in Columbus what I will say is we’ve seen an outpouring of support of

we’ve seen an outpouring of support of

we’ve seen an outpouring of support of people who want to be welcome teams we

people who want to be welcome teams we

people who want to be welcome teams we have many church groups that we work

have many church groups that we work

have many church groups that we work with our families and people that you

with our families and people that you

with our families and people that you know I like to get personal one-on-one

know I like to get personal one-on-one

know I like to get personal one-on-one experiences with families because I

experiences with families because I

experiences with families because I think that’s what changes you know

think that’s what changes you know

think that’s what changes you know changes minds and hearts and once you

changes minds and hearts and once you

changes minds and hearts and once you know someone it’s much harder to to be

know someone it’s much harder to to be

know someone it’s much harder to to be afraid of them and I guess going a

afraid of them and I guess going a

afraid of them and I guess going a little bit more into that can you just

little bit more into that can you just

little bit more into that can you just said shed some light on like who’s

said shed some light on like who’s

said shed some light on like who’s coming to columbus who are the people

coming to columbus who are the people

coming to columbus who are the people that you’ve been interacting with like

that you’ve been interacting with like

that you’ve been interacting with like what is that community look like for you

what is that community look like for you

what is that community look like for you so last of for fiscal year 2016 which

so last of for fiscal year 2016 which

so last of for fiscal year 2016 which for us is you know october starts

for us is you know october starts

for us is you know october starts october one we resettled 833 individuals

october one we resettled 833 individuals

october one we resettled 833 individuals and there are three resettlement

and there are three resettlement

and there are three resettlement agencies in columbus so of our 833 I

agencies in columbus so of our 833 I

agencies in columbus so of our 833 I think thirty eight percent were

think thirty eight percent were

think thirty eight percent were Bhutanese followed next by thirty some

Bhutanese followed next by thirty some

Bhutanese followed next by thirty some percent Somali and then we had iraqis

percent Somali and then we had iraqis

percent Somali and then we had iraqis some Syrians Congolese Ugandan Eritrea

some Syrians Congolese Ugandan Eritrea

some Syrians Congolese Ugandan Eritrea and Ethiopia and Iranian you know a mix

and Ethiopia and Iranian you know a mix

and Ethiopia and Iranian you know a mix of people and you know many of the

of people and you know many of the

of people and you know many of the Iraqis served with the US military

Iraqis served with the US military

Iraqis served with the US military Somalis come and and I I should never

Somalis come and and I I should never

Somalis come and and I I should never read the reader comments that I see on

read the reader comments that I see on

read the reader comments that I see on but there’s a such a misperception I was

but there’s a such a misperception I was

but there’s a such a misperception I was doing a press conference with five of

doing a press conference with five of

doing a press conference with five of these moms this week and the comments

these moms this week and the comments

these moms this week and the comments say you know none of these people work

say you know none of these people work

say you know none of these people work and I’ve actually all five of those

and I’ve actually all five of those

and I’ve actually all five of those women work at least one job and maybe

women work at least one job and maybe

women work at least one job and maybe one or two jobs and they and they you’re

one or two jobs and they and they you’re

one or two jobs and they and they you’re doing jobs that most people don’t want

doing jobs that most people don’t want

doing jobs that most people don’t want to do you know they’re they’re doing

to do you know they’re they’re doing

to do you know they’re they’re doing housekeeping in hotels and they’re doing

housekeeping in hotels and they’re doing

housekeeping in hotels and they’re doing warehouse work you know sometimes we’ll

warehouse work you know sometimes we’ll

warehouse work you know sometimes we’ll have somebody who can jump right into

have somebody who can jump right into

have somebody who can jump right into maybe what their background has been but

maybe what their background has been but

maybe what their background has been but that’s much harder so when they’re first

that’s much harder so when they’re first

that’s much harder so when they’re first hear they got to take any job and get go

hear they got to take any job and get go

hear they got to take any job and get go so so we have yeah I mean we have a real

so so we have yeah I mean we have a real

so so we have yeah I mean we have a real real mix of people it’s tough usually

real mix of people it’s tough usually

real mix of people it’s tough usually when when people first arrived hard to

when when people first arrived hard to

when when people first arrived hard to find housing for folks who don’t have

find housing for folks who don’t have

find housing for folks who don’t have any credit history don’t have a job we

any credit history don’t have a job we

any credit history don’t have a job we give them eleven hundred and twenty-five

give them eleven hundred and twenty-five

give them eleven hundred and twenty-five dollars per person one time that’s a

dollars per person one time that’s a

dollars per person one time that’s a federal pass through so that’s their

federal pass through so that’s their

federal pass through so that’s their startup money so if you’re a family of

startup money so if you’re a family of

startup money so if you’re a family of two that doesn’t go very far by the time

two that doesn’t go very far by the time

two that doesn’t go very far by the time you’ve paid a rent deposit and your

you’ve paid a rent deposit and your

you’ve paid a rent deposit and your first month’s rent and then single

first month’s rent and then single

first month’s rent and then single individuals only get you know limited

individuals only get you know limited

individuals only get you know limited amount of assistance and they’ve got to

amount of assistance and they’ve got to

amount of assistance and they’ve got to really get get to work so we’re

really get get to work so we’re

really get get to work so we’re fortunate right now the economy is good

fortunate right now the economy is good

fortunate right now the economy is good so we’ve been able to find jobs pretty

so we’ve been able to find jobs pretty

so we’ve been able to find jobs pretty easily work with a lot of big employers

easily work with a lot of big employers

easily work with a lot of big employers that I’ve got one sugar creek that

that I’ve got one sugar creek that

that I’ve got one sugar creek that provides a vehicle to pick up pick up

provides a vehicle to pick up pick up

provides a vehicle to pick up pick up refugees in Columbus take them to

refugees in Columbus take them to

refugees in Columbus take them to washington court house and back again

washington court house and back again

washington court house and back again every day so we yeah yeah so I don’t

every day so we yeah yeah so I don’t

every day so we yeah yeah so I don’t think we have too much time left but I

think we have too much time left but I

think we have too much time left but I think the last thing we wanted to talk

think the last thing we wanted to talk

think the last thing we wanted to talk to you about so the current

to you about so the current

to you about so the current administration and supporters of this

administration and supporters of this

administration and supporters of this travel ban kind of defended saying we’re

travel ban kind of defended saying we’re

travel ban kind of defended saying we’re making America safer mm-hmm how would

making America safer mm-hmm how would

making America safer mm-hmm how would you respond to all of the different

you respond to all of the different

you respond to all of the different defenses of the travel ban first of all

defenses of the travel ban first of all

defenses of the travel ban first of all you have to think about who refugees are

you have to think about who refugees are

you have to think about who refugees are I mean these are people who are running

I mean these are people who are running

I mean these are people who are running from terrorists and terrorism so that’s

from terrorists and terrorism so that’s

from terrorists and terrorism so that’s number one number two we already have

number one number two we already have

number one number two we already have extreme vetting I don’t know how you can

extreme vetting I don’t know how you can

extreme vetting I don’t know how you can do it more thoroughly they I think they

do it more thoroughly they I think they

do it more thoroughly they I think they have the right to take a look at the

have the right to take a look at the

have the right to take a look at the system but calling it a pause is really

system but calling it a pause is really

system but calling it a pause is really misleading because we for example have

misleading because we for example have

misleading because we for example have at least 500 people overseas waiting to

at least 500 people overseas waiting to

at least 500 people overseas waiting to join family members here including very

join family members here including very

join family members here including very young children and elderly people who

young children and elderly people who

young children and elderly people who are not a security threat and the way it

are not a security threat and the way it

are not a security threat and the way it was crafted is you know it’s keeping

was crafted is you know it’s keeping

was crafted is you know it’s keeping these families apart I just it’s not

these families apart I just it’s not

these families apart I just it’s not mutually exclusive that you can have you

mutually exclusive that you can have you

mutually exclusive that you can have you know security and compassion at the same

know security and compassion at the same

know security and compassion at the same time

time

time thank you so much again for being with

thank you so much again for being with

thank you so much again for being with us

us

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