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I don’t believe in work-life balance | Andrew Agerbak | TEDxBrunelUniversityLondon


I want to share a little bit about the

I want to share a little bit about the topic of work-life balance and I wanted

topic of work-life balance and I wanted

topic of work-life balance and I wanted to start with a provocative

to start with a provocative

to start with a provocative I don’t believe in work-life balance and

but as you see on the screen I think

but as you see on the screen I think there might be a better way or a better

there might be a better way or a better

there might be a better way or a better question to ask then can I achieve

question to ask then can I achieve

question to ask then can I achieve work-life balance

work-life balance

work-life balance now I had a surprising experience

now I had a surprising experience

now I had a surprising experience recently working as a management

recently working as a management

recently working as a management consultant

consultant

consultant I was sent on a training course and as

I was sent on a training course and as

I was sent on a training course and as part of the preparations for the

part of the preparations for the

part of the preparations for the training course I had to invite a whole

training course I had to invite a whole

training course I had to invite a whole group of my colleagues to provide 360

group of my colleagues to provide 360

group of my colleagues to provide 360 degree feedback on what I’m good at

degree feedback on what I’m good at

degree feedback on what I’m good at and what are my areas for development

and what are my areas for development

and what are my areas for development and there was a great mix of both but

and there was a great mix of both but

and there was a great mix of both but one of the things that others my

one of the things that others my

one of the things that others my colleagues highlighted is an area of

colleagues highlighted is an area of

colleagues highlighted is an area of strength was they thought I had a good

strength was they thought I had a good

strength was they thought I had a good work-life balance and this was a

work-life balance and this was a

work-life balance and this was a surprise to me because that was not my

surprise to me because that was not my

surprise to me because that was not my experience so I have lots of different

experience so I have lots of different

experience so I have lots of different hats that I wear at work I serve clients

hats that I wear at work I serve clients

hats that I wear at work I serve clients I help them develop software better at

I help them develop software better at

I help them develop software better at scale in large complex environments I

scale in large complex environments I

scale in large complex environments I help develop the topic for my firm I

help develop the topic for my firm I

help develop the topic for my firm I also help develop and mentor colleagues

also help develop and mentor colleagues

also help develop and mentor colleagues I’m a married man I’ve been fortunate to

I’m a married man I’ve been fortunate to

I’m a married man I’ve been fortunate to be married to Rhoda for 28 years and

be married to Rhoda for 28 years and

be married to Rhoda for 28 years and we’ve known each other for 34 years I

we’ve known each other for 34 years I

we’ve known each other for 34 years I think it is we have four wonderful

think it is we have four wonderful

think it is we have four wonderful children you can see up here on the

children you can see up here on the

children you can see up here on the screen Ella and Isabelle are both off at

screen Ella and Isabelle are both off at

screen Ella and Isabelle are both off at University themselves Alice is about to

University themselves Alice is about to

University themselves Alice is about to go off to college next year

go off to college next year

go off to college next year and tobey’s 11 and they’re wonderful

and tobey’s 11 and they’re wonderful

and tobey’s 11 and they’re wonderful they’re also a real handful you know

they’re also a real handful you know

they’re also a real handful you know having four kids is a serious

having four kids is a serious

having four kids is a serious responsibility I’m also a person of

responsibility I’m also a person of

responsibility I’m also a person of faith and I’m very actively involved in

faith and I’m very actively involved in

faith and I’m very actively involved in the church group that picture on the

the church group that picture on the

the church group that picture on the bottom right you see there as me and a

bottom right you see there as me and a

bottom right you see there as me and a couple of other characters singing a

couple of other characters singing a

couple of other characters singing a very very silly song to the great

very very silly song to the great

very very silly song to the great embarrassment of my children at a teen

embarrassment of my children at a teen

embarrassment of my children at a teen summer camp that I take a week off work

summer camp that I take a week off work

summer camp that I take a week off work every year to help support and then I’m

every year to help support and then I’m

every year to help support and then I’m also a chairman of the board of a

also a chairman of the board of a

also a chairman of the board of a medium-sized charity and I sit on the

medium-sized charity and I sit on the

medium-sized charity and I sit on the board of a consortium of IT firms and

board of a consortium of IT firms and

board of a consortium of IT firms and people who want to get the most value

people who want to get the most value

people who want to get the most value out of IT and so there’s lots and lots

out of IT and so there’s lots and lots

out of IT and so there’s lots and lots going on in my life and I often feel

going on in my life and I often feel

going on in my life and I often feel like things aren’t

like things aren’t

like things aren’t completely in control even on the way

completely in control even on the way

completely in control even on the way here I was so eager to get off the plane

here I was so eager to get off the plane

here I was so eager to get off the plane that dev mentioned that I neglected to

that dev mentioned that I neglected to

that dev mentioned that I neglected to check that I had all of my possessions

check that I had all of my possessions

check that I had all of my possessions with me and I got through passport

with me and I got through passport

with me and I got through passport control and thought my bag is feeling a

control and thought my bag is feeling a

control and thought my bag is feeling a little bit light and lo and behold I

little bit light and lo and behold I

little bit light and lo and behold I realized that my laptop on which I take

realized that my laptop on which I take

realized that my laptop on which I take carefully taken my notes to prepare for

carefully taken my notes to prepare for

carefully taken my notes to prepare for this talk was where I’d left it

this talk was where I’d left it

this talk was where I’d left it underneath the seat in front of me now

underneath the seat in front of me now

underneath the seat in front of me now thankfully my laptop was retrieved and

thankfully my laptop was retrieved and

thankfully my laptop was retrieved and I’m looking forward to retrieving my

I’m looking forward to retrieving my

I’m looking forward to retrieving my precious when I get back to the airport

precious when I get back to the airport

precious when I get back to the airport in in an hour or twos time but it often

in in an hour or twos time but it often

in in an hour or twos time but it often feels to me like I’m spinning these

feels to me like I’m spinning these

feels to me like I’m spinning these different plates of work and family and

different plates of work and family and

different plates of work and family and church and you know other activities

church and you know other activities

church and you know other activities that I’m passionate about and I’m

that I’m passionate about and I’m

that I’m passionate about and I’m running around and it always feels like

running around and it always feels like

running around and it always feels like there’s at least one plate that is

there’s at least one plate that is

there’s at least one plate that is wobbling and is in danger of falling to

wobbling and is in danger of falling to

wobbling and is in danger of falling to the ground with a big crash and so I

the ground with a big crash and so I

the ground with a big crash and so I wondered why is it then that my

wondered why is it then that my

wondered why is it then that my colleagues seem to feel that I have a

colleagues seem to feel that I have a

colleagues seem to feel that I have a better sense of work-life balance than

better sense of work-life balance than

better sense of work-life balance than perhaps they experienced themselves and

perhaps they experienced themselves and

perhaps they experienced themselves and I don’t know that I have objectively the

I don’t know that I have objectively the

I don’t know that I have objectively the answer and I’m certainly not claiming

answer and I’m certainly not claiming

answer and I’m certainly not claiming that my life is all together but I would

that my life is all together but I would

that my life is all together but I would like to share with you three things that

like to share with you three things that

like to share with you three things that have helped me to answer a slightly

have helped me to answer a slightly

have helped me to answer a slightly different question

different question

different question so the first conviction I have is that I

so the first conviction I have is that I

so the first conviction I have is that I decided to pursue fulfilment rather than

decided to pursue fulfilment rather than

decided to pursue fulfilment rather than balance you know working in management

balance you know working in management

balance you know working in management consulting I started out as a consultant

consulting I started out as a consultant

consulting I started out as a consultant on our generalist career track in the

on our generalist career track in the

on our generalist career track in the firm that I work for and there’s an up

firm that I work for and there’s an up

firm that I work for and there’s an up or out expectation in other words every

or out expectation in other words every

or out expectation in other words every two or three years you either progress

two or three years you either progress

two or three years you either progress to the next level in the career track or

to the next level in the career track or

to the next level in the career track or you’re given the encouragement to find a

you’re given the encouragement to find a

you’re given the encouragement to find a new career outside of the firm and after

new career outside of the firm and after

new career outside of the firm and after having been a consultant and a project

having been a consultant and a project

having been a consultant and a project leader you know a year or two into that

leader you know a year or two into that

leader you know a year or two into that I was wrestling with would I make it to

I was wrestling with would I make it to

I was wrestling with would I make it to the next level to become a principal and

the next level to become a principal and

the next level to become a principal and I realized that I was getting a lot of

I realized that I was getting a lot of

I realized that I was getting a lot of for some of the areas for development

for some of the areas for development

for some of the areas for development that were not where they need to be and

that were not where they need to be and

that were not where they need to be and not much appreciation and reward and

not much appreciation and reward and

not much appreciation and reward and recognition for some of the deep most

recognition for some of the deep most

recognition for some of the deep most specialist technology skills that I

specialist technology skills that I

specialist technology skills that I brought with me to the firm and I spoke

brought with me to the firm and I spoke

brought with me to the firm and I spoke to my boss about it I spoke to my career

to my boss about it I spoke to my career

to my boss about it I spoke to my career advisor and they said look why don’t you

advisor and they said look why don’t you

advisor and they said look why don’t you take some time away from work to really

take some time away from work to really

take some time away from work to really reflect on what’s the right thing for

reflect on what’s the right thing for

reflect on what’s the right thing for you what like the next steps might be

you what like the next steps might be

you what like the next steps might be and so I took two months off work and at

and so I took two months off work and at

and so I took two months off work and at the end of it I came back and my career

the end of it I came back and my career

the end of it I came back and my career manager chuckle Ralph

manager chuckle Ralph

manager chuckle Ralph I said look and er I think you’d be

I said look and er I think you’d be

I said look and er I think you’d be better suited if you move sideways to

better suited if you move sideways to

better suited if you move sideways to what we called an expert career track

what we called an expert career track

what we called an expert career track and this is an area where you’ll get

and this is an area where you’ll get

and this is an area where you’ll get more recognition for the deep technical

more recognition for the deep technical

more recognition for the deep technical skills that you’ve brought to the firm

skills that you’ve brought to the firm

skills that you’ve brought to the firm and a little bit less grief for some of

and a little bit less grief for some of

and a little bit less grief for some of the spike enos of your skills profile

the spike enos of your skills profile

the spike enos of your skills profile that you’ve experienced so far and

that you’ve experienced so far and

that you’ve experienced so far and what’s more you’ll get 20% of your time

what’s more you’ll get 20% of your time

what’s more you’ll get 20% of your time away from billable client work in order

away from billable client work in order

away from billable client work in order to be able to speak at conferences and

to be able to speak at conferences and

to be able to speak at conferences and write white papers and do other things

write white papers and do other things

write white papers and do other things and I thought wow that’s actually when I

and I thought wow that’s actually when I

and I thought wow that’s actually when I look back at the two previous companies

look back at the two previous companies

look back at the two previous companies I’ve worked for those are the kinds of

I’ve worked for those are the kinds of

I’ve worked for those are the kinds of things that I’m really passionate about

things that I’m really passionate about

things that I’m really passionate about I really enjoy doing and so that’s what

I really enjoy doing and so that’s what

I really enjoy doing and so that’s what I decided to do and that’s worked out

I decided to do and that’s worked out

I decided to do and that’s worked out really really well for me as a project

really really well for me as a project

really really well for me as a project leader principal Associate Director and

leader principal Associate Director and

leader principal Associate Director and now director in the firm the other thing

now director in the firm the other thing

now director in the firm the other thing I learned out of this experience was I

I learned out of this experience was I

I learned out of this experience was I came back from the two months away and I

came back from the two months away and I

came back from the two months away and I thought surely the world will have come

thought surely the world will have come

thought surely the world will have come to a stop without my direct engagement

to a stop without my direct engagement

to a stop without my direct engagement in the workforce and to my dismay

in the workforce and to my dismay

in the workforce and to my dismay everything had continued completely as

everything had continued completely as

everything had continued completely as it was before in fact quite a lot of my

it was before in fact quite a lot of my

it was before in fact quite a lot of my colleagues didn’t even realize that I’ve

colleagues didn’t even realize that I’ve

colleagues didn’t even realize that I’ve been away for two months they thought I

been away for two months they thought I

been away for two months they thought I always been staffed on a project in

always been staffed on a project in

always been staffed on a project in Uzbekistan or somewhere far away and

Uzbekistan or somewhere far away and

Uzbekistan or somewhere far away and that was a real eye-opener for me you

that was a real eye-opener for me you

that was a real eye-opener for me you know initially I was a little bit

know initially I was a little bit

know initially I was a little bit disappointed if I’m honest that I wasn’t

disappointed if I’m honest that I wasn’t

disappointed if I’m honest that I wasn’t more you know irreplaceable to my

more you know irreplaceable to my

more you know irreplaceable to my colleagues into my clients but then I

colleagues into my clients but then I

colleagues into my clients but then I realized actually if it’s possible to

realized actually if it’s possible to

realized actually if it’s possible to disappear for two

disappear for two

disappear for two months at a time with it between

months at a time with it between

months at a time with it between projects in consulting at least that’s

projects in consulting at least that’s

projects in consulting at least that’s something I could perhaps do more often

something I could perhaps do more often

something I could perhaps do more often in order to pursue some of the other

in order to pursue some of the other

in order to pursue some of the other things that I’m at least as passionate

things that I’m at least as passionate

things that I’m at least as passionate about as going to work every day and so

about as going to work every day and so

about as going to work every day and so a couple of years later I took my whole

a couple of years later I took my whole

a couple of years later I took my whole family away to India and in addition to

family away to India and in addition to

family away to India and in addition to doing the usual touristy things like

doing the usual touristy things like

doing the usual touristy things like going to the Taj Mahal I also did some

going to the Taj Mahal I also did some

going to the Taj Mahal I also did some work with an amazing charity called Hope

work with an amazing charity called Hope

work with an amazing charity called Hope worldwide that was doing great things

worldwide that was doing great things

worldwide that was doing great things with orphans with leprosy patients with

with orphans with leprosy patients with

with orphans with leprosy patients with underprivileged kids and their education

underprivileged kids and their education

underprivileged kids and their education with immunization with maternal health

with immunization with maternal health

with immunization with maternal health and my wife myself and our kids were all

and my wife myself and our kids were all

and my wife myself and our kids were all able to find a way that we could do

able to find a way that we could do

able to find a way that we could do something meaningful even in our short

something meaningful even in our short

something meaningful even in our short trip and it was such a wonderful

trip and it was such a wonderful

trip and it was such a wonderful experience for us that we’ve since been

experience for us that we’ve since been

experience for us that we’ve since been back to Nepal and we’ve helped with

back to Nepal and we’ve helped with

back to Nepal and we’ve helped with earthquake relief there we’ve also got

earthquake relief there we’ve also got

earthquake relief there we’ve also got involved with the same charity in their

involved with the same charity in their

involved with the same charity in their work they do here in London with

work they do here in London with

work they do here in London with homelessness and with drug rehab drug

homelessness and with drug rehab drug

homelessness and with drug rehab drug use a real rehabilitation and recovery

use a real rehabilitation and recovery

use a real rehabilitation and recovery and I’ve realised hey that’s you know

and I’ve realised hey that’s you know

and I’ve realised hey that’s you know it’s only a small part of what I spend

it’s only a small part of what I spend

it’s only a small part of what I spend my time doing but it’s something that

my time doing but it’s something that

my time doing but it’s something that that instills passion in me and that

that instills passion in me and that

that instills passion in me and that makes me more and more excited you know

makes me more and more excited you know

makes me more and more excited you know last year I again took a month off work

last year I again took a month off work

last year I again took a month off work and went

and went

and went mountain climbing with my daughter

mountain climbing with my daughter

mountain climbing with my daughter Isabel you know she’s off at university

Isabel you know she’s off at university

Isabel you know she’s off at university and I realized hey we don’t have as many

and I realized hey we don’t have as many

and I realized hey we don’t have as many opportunities to spend time together as

opportunities to spend time together as

opportunities to spend time together as we used to when she lived at home I want

we used to when she lived at home I want

we used to when she lived at home I want to make sure I create special

to make sure I create special

to make sure I create special opportunities to connect together with

opportunities to connect together with

opportunities to connect together with her and with my other kids at this

her and with my other kids at this

her and with my other kids at this precious stage in their lives and you

precious stage in their lives and you

precious stage in their lives and you know each of these helped remind me of

know each of these helped remind me of

know each of these helped remind me of what I’m passionate about what I find

what I’m passionate about what I find

what I’m passionate about what I find most fulfilled and so my life is

most fulfilled and so my life is

most fulfilled and so my life is definitely not balanced by any sane

definitely not balanced by any sane

definitely not balanced by any sane person’s description but I’d like to

person’s description but I’d like to

person’s description but I’d like to think that it’s fulfilled the second

think that it’s fulfilled the second

think that it’s fulfilled the second lesson that I discovered was realizing

lesson that I discovered was realizing

lesson that I discovered was realizing that I had to say no more often you know

that I had to say no more often you know

that I had to say no more often you know you’ve probably realized by now that I’m

you’ve probably realized by now that I’m

you’ve probably realized by now that I’m not someone who finds it easy to say no

not someone who finds it easy to say no

not someone who finds it easy to say no to things I love to say yes let’s go for

to things I love to say yes let’s go for

to things I love to say yes let’s go for this adventure yes let’s try this new

this adventure yes let’s try this new

this adventure yes let’s try this new project I’ll develop this new topic and

project I’ll develop this new topic and

project I’ll develop this new topic and I had a conversation about

I had a conversation about

I had a conversation about ten years ago that flipped my thinking

ten years ago that flipped my thinking

ten years ago that flipped my thinking on this subject

on this subject

on this subject it’s a fellow called friend of mine

it’s a fellow called friend of mine

it’s a fellow called friend of mine called John Oakes who is a science

called John Oakes who is a science

called John Oakes who is a science lecturer at University in San Diego and

lecturer at University in San Diego and

lecturer at University in San Diego and he’s very passionate about the idea that

he’s very passionate about the idea that

he’s very passionate about the idea that faith and science actually complement

faith and science actually complement

faith and science actually complement each other rather than being opposites

each other rather than being opposites

each other rather than being opposites that are in conflict with each other and

that are in conflict with each other and

that are in conflict with each other and he takes several weeks I think it is

he takes several weeks I think it is

he takes several weeks I think it is every year to travel around the world

every year to travel around the world

every year to travel around the world and speak at different conferences and

and speak at different conferences and

and speak at different conferences and churches and different debates to share

churches and different debates to share

churches and different debates to share his convictions on this subject and I’ve

his convictions on this subject and I’ve

his convictions on this subject and I’ve been to one of his talks and I was

been to one of his talks and I was

been to one of his talks and I was sitting down having lunch with him

sitting down having lunch with him

sitting down having lunch with him afterwards and I said John I found what

afterwards and I said John I found what

afterwards and I said John I found what you do so inspiring it’s a topic that’s

you do so inspiring it’s a topic that’s

you do so inspiring it’s a topic that’s close to my heart I’d like to do some of

close to my heart I’d like to do some of

close to my heart I’d like to do some of what you do and my kids at that stage

what you do and my kids at that stage

what you do and my kids at that stage were sort of between the ages of about

were sort of between the ages of about

were sort of between the ages of about one and twelve and he said to me Andrew

one and twelve and he said to me Andrew

one and twelve and he said to me Andrew you know you’re about the next 10 years

you know you’re about the next 10 years

you know you’re about the next 10 years of your life are going to be the busiest

of your life are going to be the busiest

of your life are going to be the busiest time of your entire life now may not be

time of your entire life now may not be

time of your entire life now may not be the best time to suddenly embark on a

the best time to suddenly embark on a

the best time to suddenly embark on a major new time commitment and I was

major new time commitment and I was

major new time commitment and I was initially just disappointed you know I

initially just disappointed you know I

initially just disappointed you know I had this idea I was excited about I

had this idea I was excited about I

had this idea I was excited about I really wanted to pursue it and he just

really wanted to pursue it and he just

really wanted to pursue it and he just poured cold water over it but the more I

poured cold water over it but the more I

poured cold water over it but the more I thought about it the more I realized

thought about it the more I realized

thought about it the more I realized that he actually made sense and I needed

that he actually made sense and I needed

that he actually made sense and I needed to focus on just doing a great job of

to focus on just doing a great job of

to focus on just doing a great job of being a husband being a dad you know

being a husband being a dad you know

being a husband being a dad you know being a management consultant you know

being a management consultant you know

being a management consultant you know being a great you know participant in

being a great you know participant in

being a great you know participant in the church community that I’m part of

the church community that I’m part of

the church community that I’m part of you know those are the four things I

you know those are the four things I

you know those are the four things I said I’m really passionate about and if

said I’m really passionate about and if

said I’m really passionate about and if I do a great job with those I’m gonna

I do a great job with those I’m gonna

I do a great job with those I’m gonna feel excited about that if I go chasing

feel excited about that if I go chasing

feel excited about that if I go chasing after rainbows chasing chasing after the

after rainbows chasing chasing after the

after rainbows chasing chasing after the next shiny thing then I might not you

next shiny thing then I might not you

next shiny thing then I might not you know I might regret the compromises I’m

know I might regret the compromises I’m

know I might regret the compromises I’m making with the things I’m most

making with the things I’m most

making with the things I’m most passionate about and so realizing that I

passionate about and so realizing that I

passionate about and so realizing that I had to say know a little bit more often

had to say know a little bit more often

had to say know a little bit more often maybe a lot more often then I previously

maybe a lot more often then I previously

maybe a lot more often then I previously had was an eye-opening moment for me and

had was an eye-opening moment for me and

had was an eye-opening moment for me and it certainly helped me over the last 10

it certainly helped me over the last 10

it certainly helped me over the last 10 years to to do better at the things that

years to to do better at the things that

years to to do better at the things that I am most passionate about

and finally keep calm and drink coffee

and finally keep calm and drink coffee you know my life wouldn’t at all be

you know my life wouldn’t at all be

you know my life wouldn’t at all be possible you know the fulfilled

possible you know the fulfilled

possible you know the fulfilled passionate busy slightly crazy life that

passionate busy slightly crazy life that

passionate busy slightly crazy life that I live

I live

I live wouldn’t it all be passionate be

wouldn’t it all be passionate be

wouldn’t it all be passionate be possible without the incredible

possible without the incredible

possible without the incredible partnership and support I have with my

partnership and support I have with my

partnership and support I have with my wife Rhoda and one of the key strengths

wife Rhoda and one of the key strengths

wife Rhoda and one of the key strengths I think we have in knowing each other

I think we have in knowing each other

I think we have in knowing each other for 34 years and been married for 28 is

for 34 years and been married for 28 is

for 34 years and been married for 28 is that we have a lot of the same values

that we have a lot of the same values

that we have a lot of the same values the same priorities the same commitment

the same priorities the same commitment

the same priorities the same commitment and through our journey of life together

and through our journey of life together

and through our journey of life together having children and her being a teacher

having children and her being a teacher

having children and her being a teacher and then child minder and now counselor

and then child minder and now counselor

and then child minder and now counselor that’s been a great rocking of strength

that’s been a great rocking of strength

that’s been a great rocking of strength to us and yet very often when the plates

to us and yet very often when the plates

to us and yet very often when the plates were starting to wobble and maybe one or

were starting to wobble and maybe one or

were starting to wobble and maybe one or two of them fell we’d find we had

two of them fell we’d find we had

two of them fell we’d find we had conflict because she was expecting me to

conflict because she was expecting me to

conflict because she was expecting me to anticipate these challenges a little bit

anticipate these challenges a little bit

anticipate these challenges a little bit earlier and she’s generally a lot more

earlier and she’s generally a lot more

earlier and she’s generally a lot more perceptive than me about when things are

perceptive than me about when things are

perceptive than me about when things are starting to go off the rails and she

starting to go off the rails and she

starting to go off the rails and she says to me that she’d like me to listen

says to me that she’d like me to listen

says to me that she’d like me to listen to her a little bit more often in order

to her a little bit more often in order

to her a little bit more often in order to identify these issues at least I

to identify these issues at least I

to identify these issues at least I think that’s what she said and and yet I

think that’s what she said and and yet I

think that’s what she said and and yet I find that often in the hustle and bustle

find that often in the hustle and bustle

find that often in the hustle and bustle of life even though we spent time

of life even though we spent time

of life even though we spent time talking together we wouldn’t make the

talking together we wouldn’t make the

talking together we wouldn’t make the time and space to step back and reflect

time and space to step back and reflect

time and space to step back and reflect and we discovered one Saturday morning

and we discovered one Saturday morning

and we discovered one Saturday morning as we went out to a favorite coffee

as we went out to a favorite coffee

as we went out to a favorite coffee place there was something magical about

place there was something magical about

place there was something magical about going out for coffee

going out for coffee

going out for coffee not necessarily the coffee beans

not necessarily the coffee beans

not necessarily the coffee beans themselves although I do like my grande

themselves although I do like my grande

themselves although I do like my grande skinny wet latte but but just a very act

skinny wet latte but but just a very act

skinny wet latte but but just a very act of getting out of the house getting away

of getting out of the house getting away

of getting out of the house getting away from the hustle and bustle of kids and

from the hustle and bustle of kids and

from the hustle and bustle of kids and laundry and emails and notifications and

laundry and emails and notifications and

laundry and emails and notifications and all of the pressures that seem to be

all of the pressures that seem to be

all of the pressures that seem to be around made a quiet space where we could

around made a quiet space where we could

around made a quiet space where we could step back from the here and now and

step back from the here and now and

step back from the here and now and think okay how is our marriage you know

think okay how is our marriage you know

think okay how is our marriage you know how we doing how we communicating how

how we doing how we communicating how

how we doing how we communicating how are our expectations and plans going you

are our expectations and plans going you

are our expectations and plans going you know how is Ella or Isabelle or Alice or

know how is Ella or Isabelle or Alice or

know how is Ella or Isabelle or Alice or Toby you know what do they need from a

Toby you know what do they need from a

Toby you know what do they need from a to have the conversations where she said

to have the conversations where she said

to have the conversations where she said to me okay Toby’s now six or seven you

to me okay Toby’s now six or seven you

to me okay Toby’s now six or seven you know he needs more time for his dad you

know he needs more time for his dad you

know he needs more time for his dad you know we need to make a structural change

know we need to make a structural change

know we need to make a structural change or we’ve been at each other’s throats a

or we’ve been at each other’s throats a

or we’ve been at each other’s throats a little bit for the last two or three

little bit for the last two or three

little bit for the last two or three weeks and we talked about is this just a

weeks and we talked about is this just a

weeks and we talked about is this just a short-term thing or is this a structural

short-term thing or is this a structural

short-term thing or is this a structural thing you know sometimes it’s just a

thing you know sometimes it’s just a

thing you know sometimes it’s just a busy project or two projects at the same

busy project or two projects at the same

busy project or two projects at the same time or as a small transitional thing

time or as a small transitional thing

time or as a small transitional thing where our schedules changed and we say

where our schedules changed and we say

where our schedules changed and we say okay this is just for a short period of

okay this is just for a short period of

okay this is just for a short period of time and as long as we know it’s just

time and as long as we know it’s just

time and as long as we know it’s just two weeks or just four weeks we can say

two weeks or just four weeks we can say

two weeks or just four weeks we can say okay we’ll hold each other’s arms up

okay we’ll hold each other’s arms up

okay we’ll hold each other’s arms up we’ll support each other and it’s going

we’ll support each other and it’s going

we’ll support each other and it’s going to be fine other times we realize

to be fine other times we realize

to be fine other times we realize actually this is a structural change in

actually this is a structural change in

actually this is a structural change in our lives you know our kid has moved on

our lives you know our kid has moved on

our lives you know our kid has moved on to a next stage of college or my role

to a next stage of college or my role

to a next stage of college or my role has changed at work or she’s gone back

has changed at work or she’s gone back

has changed at work or she’s gone back to college to study counseling and

to college to study counseling and

to college to study counseling and things are going to be different around

things are going to be different around

things are going to be different around here we need to make a structural change

here we need to make a structural change

here we need to make a structural change and we found us getting outside of our

and we found us getting outside of our

and we found us getting outside of our daily routine going out for a cup of

daily routine going out for a cup of

daily routine going out for a cup of coffee and has made room for those

coffee and has made room for those

coffee and has made room for those conversations and has enabled us to

conversations and has enabled us to

conversations and has enabled us to listen to each other and certainly for

listen to each other and certainly for

listen to each other and certainly for me to be a better listener to my wife

me to be a better listener to my wife

me to be a better listener to my wife than I previously had been and that’s

than I previously had been and that’s

than I previously had been and that’s made an enormous difference and I

made an enormous difference and I

made an enormous difference and I wouldn’t say that we’ve achieved balance

wouldn’t say that we’ve achieved balance

wouldn’t say that we’ve achieved balance because it always feels like you know

because it always feels like you know

because it always feels like you know the plates are wobbling a little bit but

the plates are wobbling a little bit but

the plates are wobbling a little bit but it allows us to spot the wobbles a

it allows us to spot the wobbles a

it allows us to spot the wobbles a little bit earlier and to intervene and

little bit earlier and to intervene and

little bit earlier and to intervene and at least to choose which plates we mind

at least to choose which plates we mind

at least to choose which plates we mind less falling to the ground and to choose

less falling to the ground and to choose

less falling to the ground and to choose to invest in and to support and to keep

to invest in and to support and to keep

to invest in and to support and to keep spinning you know the four or five

spinning you know the four or five

spinning you know the four or five plates that we feel most passionate

plates that we feel most passionate

plates that we feel most passionate about and that we find most fulfilling

about and that we find most fulfilling

about and that we find most fulfilling so in wrapping up the day talking about

so in wrapping up the day talking about

so in wrapping up the day talking about the future of us you know making a your

the future of us you know making a your

the future of us you know making a your life sustainable is certainly important

life sustainable is certainly important

life sustainable is certainly important but I would encourage you to think less

but I would encourage you to think less

but I would encourage you to think less about a mythical ideal of work-life

about a mythical ideal of work-life

about a mythical ideal of work-life balance or student life balance and

balance or student life balance and

balance or student life balance and instead to pursue a passion to identify

instead to pursue a passion to identify

instead to pursue a passion to identify what your 3 or 4 deepest passions are

what your 3 or 4 deepest passions are

what your 3 or 4 deepest passions are and to

and to

and to really invest and double down in those

really invest and double down in those

really invest and double down in those to go after them to say no to other

to go after them to say no to other

to go after them to say no to other things that might distract you from them

things that might distract you from them

things that might distract you from them and to take a little bit of time out of

and to take a little bit of time out of

and to take a little bit of time out of your day with the people closest to you

your day with the people closest to you

your day with the people closest to you to step back from the hustle and bustle

to step back from the hustle and bustle

to step back from the hustle and bustle and to redirect yourself to keep

and to redirect yourself to keep

and to redirect yourself to keep spinning those most important most

spinning those most important most

spinning those most important most passionate plates in order to find a

passionate plates in order to find a

passionate plates in order to find a great future for yourself and for us all

great future for yourself and for us all

great future for yourself and for us all thank you very much

thank you very much

thank you very much [Applause]

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