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my love affair comics started in the

my love affair comics started in the 1970s I’m a native New Yorker I grew up

1970s I’m a native New Yorker I grew up

1970s I’m a native New Yorker I grew up in the Bronx the neighborhoods of sound

in the Bronx the neighborhoods of sound

in the Bronx the neighborhoods of sound view and then co-op city there’s a

view and then co-op city there’s a

view and then co-op city there’s a really fun childhood it was actually my

really fun childhood it was actually my

really fun childhood it was actually my neighborhoods were very diverse in co-op

neighborhoods were very diverse in co-op

neighborhoods were very diverse in co-op city you had Jews Italians Irish

city you had Jews Italians Irish

city you had Jews Italians Irish Hispanics you know black folks and

Hispanics you know black folks and

Hispanics you know black folks and Asians and it was a really fun

Asians and it was a really fun

Asians and it was a really fun environment like my crew were friends

environment like my crew were friends

environment like my crew were friends and I used sweets to ride our bikes

and I used sweets to ride our bikes

and I used sweets to ride our bikes around and we still get into trouble

around and we still get into trouble

around and we still get into trouble we’re responsible for property damage

we’re responsible for property damage

we’re responsible for property damage even saw a dead body it’s almost like

even saw a dead body it’s almost like

even saw a dead body it’s almost like the movie stand by me only with open

the movie stand by me only with open

the movie stand by me only with open fire hydrants and people of color that’s

fire hydrants and people of color that’s

fire hydrants and people of color that’s a different TED talk you know we used to

a different TED talk you know we used to

a different TED talk you know we used to I used to used to watch TV shows all the

I used to used to watch TV shows all the

I used to used to watch TV shows all the time some of my favorites were the

time some of my favorites were the

time some of my favorites were the original Star Trek I used to walk around

original Star Trek I used to walk around

original Star Trek I used to walk around my house going and I crapped my parents

my house going and I crapped my parents

my house going and I crapped my parents up because I used to recite the opening

up because I used to recite the opening

up because I used to recite the opening you know to boldly go but I just say to

you know to boldly go but I just say to

you know to boldly go but I just say to bogel ego and used to crack my dad up

bogel ego and used to crack my dad up

bogel ego and used to crack my dad up all the time I never got why he was

all the time I never got why he was

all the time I never got why he was laughing but eventually I did

laughing but eventually I did

laughing but eventually I did I watched the Six Million Dollar Man

I watched the Six Million Dollar Man

I watched the Six Million Dollar Man would Steve Austin and I used to copy

would Steve Austin and I used to copy

would Steve Austin and I used to copy him I loved the Incredible Hulk you know

him I loved the Incredible Hulk you know

him I loved the Incredible Hulk you know you won’t like me when I’m angry

you won’t like me when I’m angry

you won’t like me when I’m angry you won’t you won’t but Star Wars when

you won’t you won’t but Star Wars when

you won’t you won’t but Star Wars when Star Wars came out that blew me away

Star Wars came out that blew me away

Star Wars came out that blew me away like that opening shot of the big Star

like that opening shot of the big Star

like that opening shot of the big Star Destroyer chasing that little rebel ship

Destroyer chasing that little rebel ship

Destroyer chasing that little rebel ship and I was just like oh my god I was just

and I was just like oh my god I was just

and I was just like oh my god I was just I probably the images on that just

I probably the images on that just

I probably the images on that just really made an impression upon me I

really made an impression upon me I

really made an impression upon me I never forgot that to this day and I’m

never forgot that to this day and I’m

never forgot that to this day and I’m probably you know begged my parents

probably you know begged my parents

probably you know begged my parents would take me to see that feeling like

would take me to see that feeling like

would take me to see that feeling like three times the theater and back then

three times the theater and back then

three times the theater and back then that was a lot like my mom was like

that was a lot like my mom was like

that was a lot like my mom was like really you want to see again again and I

really you want to see again again and I

really you want to see again again and I was like I have to have all the

was like I have to have all the

was like I have to have all the merchandise I need everything I need the

merchandise I need everything I need the

merchandise I need everything I need the toys I need the underoos you know

toys I need the underoos you know

toys I need the underoos you know somewhere George Lucas was like yes yes

and I and so I even had like the store

and I and so I even had like the store was lunch box and back then we used to

was lunch box and back then we used to

was lunch box and back then we used to carry the middle lunch boxes to school

carry the middle lunch boxes to school

carry the middle lunch boxes to school yeah yeah I doubt they could do that

yeah yeah I doubt they could do that

yeah yeah I doubt they could do that today what the metal detectors in all

today what the metal detectors in all

today what the metal detectors in all that stuff but I and then I started

that stuff but I and then I started

that stuff but I and then I started sketching I started drawing and then one

sketching I started drawing and then one

sketching I started drawing and then one day I drew my Star Wars lunchbox and I

day I drew my Star Wars lunchbox and I

day I drew my Star Wars lunchbox and I brought that drawing home and my mom my

brought that drawing home and my mom my

brought that drawing home and my mom my dad saw and he said huh wow this kid

dad saw and he said huh wow this kid

dad saw and he said huh wow this kid might have some talent here so they

might have some talent here so they

might have some talent here so they enrolled me in a local community center

enrolled me in a local community center

enrolled me in a local community center painting course so once a week and this

painting course so once a week and this

painting course so once a week and this is in co-op city in the Bronx once a

is in co-op city in the Bronx once a

is in co-op city in the Bronx once a week I used to paint with my teacher

week I used to paint with my teacher

week I used to paint with my teacher named Emilio and so I learned how to

named Emilio and so I learned how to

named Emilio and so I learned how to create images in color it was awesome

create images in color it was awesome

create images in color it was awesome and so after I had a certain amount of

and so after I had a certain amount of

and so after I had a certain amount of paintings and a certain body of work I

paintings and a certain body of work I

paintings and a certain body of work I used that to apply to the Fiorello H

used that to apply to the Fiorello H

used that to apply to the Fiorello H LaGuardia High School of Music & Art

LaGuardia High School of Music & Art

LaGuardia High School of Music & Art that’s the fame school for those of you

that’s the fame school for those of you

that’s the fame school for those of you who don’t know you know where the the

who don’t know you know where the the

who don’t know you know where the the movie where the kids used to break into

movie where the kids used to break into

movie where the kids used to break into I want to live forever on in the

I want to live forever on in the

I want to live forever on in the hallways in the lunchroom I mean that

hallways in the lunchroom I mean that

hallways in the lunchroom I mean that really was true you know you know we

really was true you know you know we

really was true you know you know we boring art majors would be sitting

boring art majors would be sitting

boring art majors would be sitting drawing and people would just be like ah

drawing and people would just be like ah

drawing and people would just be like ah I don’t like damn okay but it was cool

I don’t like damn okay but it was cool

I don’t like damn okay but it was cool it was great because it was such a

it was great because it was such a

it was great because it was such a diverse group of kids from all over the

diverse group of kids from all over the

diverse group of kids from all over the five boroughs of New York that were

five boroughs of New York that were

five boroughs of New York that were under this one roof and it was an

under this one roof and it was an

under this one roof and it was an amazing creative environment to be in

amazing creative environment to be in

amazing creative environment to be in you had art majors vocal majors dance

you had art majors vocal majors dance

you had art majors vocal majors dance majors music majors and drama majors the

majors music majors and drama majors the

majors music majors and drama majors the really cool thing though is that the art

really cool thing though is that the art

really cool thing though is that the art and the dance majors shared the same

and the dance majors shared the same

and the dance majors shared the same floor so every day I used to see pretty

floor so every day I used to see pretty

floor so every day I used to see pretty girls walking around in leotards but

girls walking around in leotards but

girls walking around in leotards but that’s a different TED talk

that’s a different TED talk

that’s a different TED talk this is the 1980s this is the birth of

this is the 1980s this is the birth of

this is the 1980s this is the birth of MTV in the music video you know you had

MTV in the music video you know you had

MTV in the music video you know you had the Michael Jackson videos the Printz

the Michael Jackson videos the Printz

the Michael Jackson videos the Printz videos even that aha take on me that was

videos even that aha take on me that was

videos even that aha take on me that was all animated we art students love that

all animated we art students love that

all animated we art students love that but then like started noticing something

but then like started noticing something

but then like started noticing something I’m like you know with the exception of

I’m like you know with the exception of

I’m like you know with the exception of Michael Jackson and prints most of the

Michael Jackson and prints most of the

Michael Jackson and prints most of the videos were the ol featured white

videos were the ol featured white

videos were the ol featured white artists even the people dancing in the

artists even the people dancing in the

artists even the people dancing in the backgrounds or whatever or whatever they

backgrounds or whatever or whatever they

backgrounds or whatever or whatever they were all white people and I was like huh

were all white people and I was like huh

were all white people and I was like huh that’s interesting then I started

that’s interesting then I started

that’s interesting then I started noticing the TV shows that I used to

noticing the TV shows that I used to

noticing the TV shows that I used to love you know most of them featured

love you know most of them featured

love you know most of them featured white folks films too and if you saw

white folks films too and if you saw

white folks films too and if you saw people of color we were usually like the

people of color we were usually like the

people of color we were usually like the jive-talking sidekick

jive-talking sidekick

jive-talking sidekick we were like the threat or we were

we were like the threat or we were

we were like the threat or we were struggling and you know listen I

struggling and you know listen I

struggling and you know listen I remember the Jeffersons so yeah they

remember the Jeffersons so yeah they

remember the Jeffersons so yeah they moved on up but at the same time you

moved on up but at the same time you

moved on up but at the same time you know you had good times and I was I’m a

know you had good times and I was I’m a

know you had good times and I was I’m a fan of good times but I mean between

fan of good times but I mean between

fan of good times but I mean between like Janet Jackson getting beaten or

like Janet Jackson getting beaten or

like Janet Jackson getting beaten or burned by the iron or like the father

burned by the iron or like the father

burned by the iron or like the father dying off-screen I was like this mean

dying off-screen I was like this mean

dying off-screen I was like this mean mom yeah we watched a little more

mom yeah we watched a little more

mom yeah we watched a little more uplifting maybe mash I mean there’s

uplifting maybe mash I mean there’s

uplifting maybe mash I mean there’s something like that like you know like

something like that like you know like

something like that like you know like there were jokes Olivia Nam war like

there were jokes Olivia Nam war like

there were jokes Olivia Nam war like they they had jokes there so but so

they they had jokes there so but so

they they had jokes there so but so while I was in school you know I really

while I was in school you know I really

while I was in school you know I really started like developing my craft and I I

started like developing my craft and I I

started like developing my craft and I I really started drawing and I really

really started drawing and I really

really started drawing and I really wanted to become a comic book artist

wanted to become a comic book artist

wanted to become a comic book artist that was my thing and I started to you

that was my thing and I started to you

that was my thing and I started to you know really say okay this is what I want

know really say okay this is what I want

know really say okay this is what I want to do for a living I really want to tell

to do for a living I really want to tell

to do for a living I really want to tell stories I want to tell images you know

stories I want to tell images you know

stories I want to tell images you know because as a comic as in growing up I my

because as a comic as in growing up I my

because as a comic as in growing up I my friends used to read comics but I loved

friends used to read comics but I loved

friends used to read comics but I loved comics seeing the images of like you

comics seeing the images of like you

comics seeing the images of like you know Superman and super women like

know Superman and super women like

know Superman and super women like leaping tall buildings in a single bound

leaping tall buildings in a single bound

leaping tall buildings in a single bound that was awesome it really made me feel

that was awesome it really made me feel

that was awesome it really made me feel empowered I mean it’s a run around my

empowered I mean it’s a run around my

empowered I mean it’s a run around my house like you know do a whole lot of

house like you know do a whole lot of

house like you know do a whole lot of stuff because it really made me feel

stuff because it really made me feel

stuff because it really made me feel empowered and those images I remember

empowered and those images I remember

empowered and those images I remember those images they just really just blew

those images they just really just blew

those images they just really just blew me away they made an impression upon me

me away they made an impression upon me

me away they made an impression upon me and the difference between film and

and the difference between film and

and the difference between film and comic books is that with a comic book I

comic books is that with a comic book I

comic books is that with a comic book I could hold that image in my hand and I

could hold that image in my hand and I

could hold that image in my hand and I can look at that image whenever I wanted

can look at that image whenever I wanted

can look at that image whenever I wanted you know so I said okay you know what I

you know so I said okay you know what I

you know so I said okay you know what I want to become a comic book artist and I

want to become a comic book artist and I

want to become a comic book artist and I want to do this for real and so I

want to do this for real and so I

want to do this for real and so I applied to the School of Visual Arts

applied to the School of Visual Arts

applied to the School of Visual Arts which is also in Manhattan and I got a

which is also in Manhattan and I got a

which is also in Manhattan and I got a scholarship to go there I applied to

scholarship to go there I applied to

scholarship to go there I applied to Pratt and Parsons but my parents are

Pratt and Parsons but my parents are

Pratt and Parsons but my parents are like no you got a scholarship to SBA you

like no you got a scholarship to SBA you

like no you got a scholarship to SBA you going there and so I was determined to

going there and so I was determined to

going there and so I was determined to get work before I graduated college

get work before I graduated college

get work before I graduated college because I don’t want to be like

because I don’t want to be like

because I don’t want to be like everybody else and you know be amongst

everybody else and you know be amongst

everybody else and you know be amongst the herd so in my junior year I went to

the herd so in my junior year I went to

the herd so in my junior year I went to the New York Comic Con and back then in

the New York Comic Con and back then in

the New York Comic Con and back then in the 90s there was only one convention in

the 90s there was only one convention in

the 90s there was only one convention in town that was the New York Comic Con

town that was the New York Comic Con

town that was the New York Comic Con both Marvel DC are both based in New

both Marvel DC are both based in New

both Marvel DC are both based in New York City and they would send their

York City and they would send their

York City and they would send their editors there to look for talent and if

editors there to look for talent and if

editors there to look for talent and if you were aspiring comic artists you went

you were aspiring comic artists you went

you were aspiring comic artists you went there to get work and I did

there to get work and I did

there to get work and I did unfortunately I did I got my first

unfortunately I did I got my first

unfortunately I did I got my first paying work doing painted illustrations

paying work doing painted illustrations

paying work doing painted illustrations for Marvel Comics then I went on and I

for Marvel Comics then I went on and I

for Marvel Comics then I went on and I started working from milestone which is

started working from milestone which is

started working from milestone which is the first black owned public comic book

the first black owned public comic book

the first black owned public comic book publisher and then I went to DC Comics

publisher and then I went to DC Comics

publisher and then I went to DC Comics and there I became the first black

and there I became the first black

and there I became the first black artist to draw a regular Batman series

artist to draw a regular Batman series

artist to draw a regular Batman series which is Detective Comics thank you

but those of you don’t know DC Comics

but those of you don’t know DC Comics stands for Detective Comics that’s their

stands for Detective Comics that’s their

stands for Detective Comics that’s their flagship title but it was really awesome

flagship title but it was really awesome

flagship title but it was really awesome on this black kid from the Bronx I’m

on this black kid from the Bronx I’m

on this black kid from the Bronx I’m creating like I’m working well you know

creating like I’m working well you know

creating like I’m working well you know when one of the most iconic brands in

when one of the most iconic brands in

when one of the most iconic brands in the world I’m creating new characters

the world I’m creating new characters

the world I’m creating new characters and co-creating like sections of Gotham

and co-creating like sections of Gotham

and co-creating like sections of Gotham City you know and it really started I

City you know and it really started I

City you know and it really started I started getting fans I started noticing

started getting fans I started noticing

started getting fans I started noticing people started noticing like my work and

people started noticing like my work and

people started noticing like my work and became fans of my work and then I

became fans of my work and then I

became fans of my work and then I noticed that people actually liked my

noticed that people actually liked my

noticed that people actually liked my work but they were also impressed by the

work but they were also impressed by the

work but they were also impressed by the fact that I was doing in and for people

fact that I was doing in and for people

fact that I was doing in and for people of color they’re like wow we can do this

of color they’re like wow we can do this

of color they’re like wow we can do this and for other people they were like wow

and for other people they were like wow

and for other people they were like wow they can do this and that really made me

they can do this and that really made me

they can do this and that really made me start to think about things you know the

start to think about things you know the

start to think about things you know the interesting thing is as an artist you

interesting thing is as an artist you

interesting thing is as an artist you know we work in our little hovels we

know we work in our little hovels we

know we work in our little hovels we work in our little caves you know we

work in our little caves you know we

work in our little caves you know we tend to work in our studios or apartment

tend to work in our studios or apartment

tend to work in our studios or apartment and we don’t get to we don’t get to

and we don’t get to we don’t get to

and we don’t get to we don’t get to adventure on to the outside world and we

adventure on to the outside world and we

adventure on to the outside world and we really don’t see the effects of the work

really don’t see the effects of the work

really don’t see the effects of the work that we create until we go outside you

that we create until we go outside you

that we create until we go outside you know I it’s really pretty scary

know I it’s really pretty scary

know I it’s really pretty scary sometimes we know we don’t shave

sometimes we know we don’t shave

sometimes we know we don’t shave sometimes we don’t bathe sometimes you

sometimes we don’t bathe sometimes you

sometimes we don’t bathe sometimes you know I gotta wear pants like this is for

know I gotta wear pants like this is for

know I gotta wear pants like this is for you this is the love I have for you guys

you this is the love I have for you guys

you this is the love I have for you guys you know dressing up here but I noticed

you know dressing up here but I noticed

you know dressing up here but I noticed that when I would go to comic convention

that when I would go to comic convention

that when I would go to comic convention those people would say wow you know what

those people would say wow you know what

those people would say wow you know what hey I’m an aspiring artist how can i how

hey I’m an aspiring artist how can i how

hey I’m an aspiring artist how can i how can I do this or I have kids how can you

can I do this or I have kids how can you

can I do this or I have kids how can you know how can I foster their interest in

know how can I foster their interest in

know how can I foster their interest in this and so that really inspired me to

this and so that really inspired me to

this and so that really inspired me to create a book that would encapsulate all

create a book that would encapsulate all

create a book that would encapsulate all of my experiences and hopefully sort of

of my experiences and hopefully sort of

of my experiences and hopefully sort of give people insights in terms of how I

give people insights in terms of how I

give people insights in terms of how I tell a story and how I craft an image

tell a story and how I craft an image

tell a story and how I craft an image and that was pretty cool and also the

and that was pretty cool and also the

and that was pretty cool and also the really cool thing is that it gave me at

really cool thing is that it gave me at

really cool thing is that it gave me at the opportunity to create images that

the opportunity to create images that

the opportunity to create images that were outside of the comic book genre

were outside of the comic book genre

were outside of the comic book genre more personal images more diverse images

more personal images more diverse images

more personal images more diverse images you know so after that I went back to

you know so after that I went back to

you know so after that I went back to doing regular comic books I Illustrated

doing regular comic books I Illustrated

doing regular comic books I Illustrated Luke Cage I did Captain America I’ll

Luke Cage I did Captain America I’ll

Luke Cage I did Captain America I’ll illustrate it Black Panther and then

illustrate it Black Panther and then

illustrate it Black Panther and then today I work alongside Robert Kirkman

today I work alongside Robert Kirkman

today I work alongside Robert Kirkman the creator of The Walking Dead well I

the creator of The Walking Dead well I

the creator of The Walking Dead well I don’t draw this I don’t draw the Walking

don’t draw this I don’t draw the Walking

don’t draw this I don’t draw the Walking Dead but I mean you know we work on a

Dead but I mean you know we work on a

Dead but I mean you know we work on a comic book that’s about this

comic book that’s about this

comic book that’s about this international art art thief named Conrad

international art art thief named Conrad

international art art thief named Conrad Paulson it’s really cool and this is a

Paulson it’s really cool and this is a

Paulson it’s really cool and this is a really great example of the power that I

really great example of the power that I

really great example of the power that I have in terms of representation when we

have in terms of representation when we

have in terms of representation when we first started working on the book Robert

first started working on the book Robert

first started working on the book Robert would send me notes about the characters

would send me notes about the characters

would send me notes about the characters because we had to create this universe

because we had to create this universe

because we had to create this universe from the ground up and aside from the

from the ground up and aside from the

from the ground up and aside from the lead character

lead character

lead character uh and his family who we just assumed

uh and his family who we just assumed

uh and his family who we just assumed were white Robert really didn’t give me

were white Robert really didn’t give me

were white Robert really didn’t give me any specific notes on the other people

any specific notes on the other people

any specific notes on the other people in the story and so there is a female

in the story and so there is a female

in the story and so there is a female FBI agent who’s trying to bring Conrad

FBI agent who’s trying to bring Conrad

FBI agent who’s trying to bring Conrad Paulson down you know and so her name is

Paulson down you know and so her name is

Paulson down you know and so her name is Elizabeth Cohen and so what I’m doing

Elizabeth Cohen and so what I’m doing

Elizabeth Cohen and so what I’m doing the design from the car let me draw her

the design from the car let me draw her

the design from the car let me draw her as a black woman sent it off Robert saw

as a black woman sent it off Robert saw

as a black woman sent it off Robert saw what he said Oh Elizabeth Cohen’s black

what he said Oh Elizabeth Cohen’s black

what he said Oh Elizabeth Cohen’s black now cool just like that I use my power

now cool just like that I use my power

now cool just like that I use my power and so going forward you know like

and so going forward you know like

and so going forward you know like that’s my thing is to diversify any

that’s my thing is to diversify any

that’s my thing is to diversify any story or any image that I’m good that

story or any image that I’m good that

story or any image that I’m good that I’m hired to draw that’s it but that’s

I’m hired to draw that’s it but that’s

I’m hired to draw that’s it but that’s like standard procedure for me now I

like standard procedure for me now I

like standard procedure for me now I just do that so if I can’t draw if I

just do that so if I can’t draw if I

just do that so if I can’t draw if I can’t change a major character they’ll

can’t change a major character they’ll

can’t change a major character they’ll be like a black guy in the background

be like a black guy in the background

be like a black guy in the background like or a woman just like oh you know

like or a woman just like oh you know

like or a woman just like oh you know hey I do it but what I really want to do

hey I do it but what I really want to do

hey I do it but what I really want to do is I really want to capture a moment in

is I really want to capture a moment in

is I really want to capture a moment in time with a static image that’s what I’m

time with a static image that’s what I’m

time with a static image that’s what I’m trying to do and so whether or not it’s

trying to do and so whether or not it’s

trying to do and so whether or not it’s you know like an action scene or a car

you know like an action scene or a car

you know like an action scene or a car chase or you know an argument between

chase or you know an argument between

chase or you know an argument between two people or a shootout or even a scene

two people or a shootout or even a scene

two people or a shootout or even a scene of a woman holding her child and showing

of a woman holding her child and showing

of a woman holding her child and showing love that’s my power and so because I

love that’s my power and so because I

love that’s my power and so because I believe that art inspires art creativity

believe that art inspires art creativity

believe that art inspires art creativity feeds feeds creativity and everyone in

feeds feeds creativity and everyone in

feeds feeds creativity and everyone in this room has this power so whether or

this room has this power so whether or

this room has this power so whether or not you are an artist and you draw some

not you are an artist and you draw some

not you are an artist and you draw some of the most iconic brands in the world

of the most iconic brands in the world

of the most iconic brands in the world or you simply are just having an

or you simply are just having an

or you simply are just having an interaction with someone you just met we

interaction with someone you just met we

interaction with someone you just met we all have the power and is the power of

all have the power and is the power of

all have the power and is the power of representation thank you

representation thank you

representation thank you [Applause]

[Applause]

[Applause] [Music]

[Music]

[Music] [Applause]

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