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How I broke the rules & found my perfect job | Angela Copeland | TEDxWorthington


imagine it’s 1997 and I’m just entering

imagine it’s 1997 and I’m just entering college the Internet is still a

college the Internet is still a

college the Internet is still a brand-new thing and companies like AOL

brand-new thing and companies like AOL

brand-new thing and companies like AOL are just coming into their own they’re

are just coming into their own they’re

are just coming into their own they’re sending out these exciting floppy disks

sending out these exciting floppy disks

sending out these exciting floppy disks with a hundred free minutes to try out

with a hundred free minutes to try out

with a hundred free minutes to try out their internet service over a fast

their internet service over a fast

their internet service over a fast dial-up connection I have a computer

dial-up connection I have a computer

dial-up connection I have a computer before my friends and I wait for those

before my friends and I wait for those

before my friends and I wait for those discs to come in the mail manis down the

discs to come in the mail manis down the

discs to come in the mail manis down the dial-up modem makes when it connects

dial-up modem makes when it connects

dial-up modem makes when it connects gives me goose bumps startups are

gives me goose bumps startups are

gives me goose bumps startups are popping up everywhere and getting huge

popping up everywhere and getting huge

popping up everywhere and getting huge investments was easy young kids about my

investments was easy young kids about my

investments was easy young kids about my age are getting funding for companies

age are getting funding for companies

age are getting funding for companies and they have more money than they know

and they have more money than they know

and they have more money than they know what to do with I love computers I go to

what to do with I love computers I go to

what to do with I love computers I go to college to learn all about them and all

college to learn all about them and all

college to learn all about them and all about the Internet I study computer and

about the Internet I study computer and

about the Internet I study computer and systems engineering at a little

systems engineering at a little

systems engineering at a little engineering school in upstate New York

engineering school in upstate New York

engineering school in upstate New York it’s like a combination of computer

it’s like a combination of computer

it’s like a combination of computer science and electrical engineering

science and electrical engineering

science and electrical engineering I learned to solder parts together to

I learned to solder parts together to

I learned to solder parts together to build websites and to code so many

build websites and to code so many

build websites and to code so many different computer programming languages

different computer programming languages

different computer programming languages including Fortran 77 C and HTML it’s the

including Fortran 77 C and HTML it’s the

including Fortran 77 C and HTML it’s the perfect degree it guarantees me a job

perfect degree it guarantees me a job

perfect degree it guarantees me a job when I graduate not only that it

when I graduate not only that it

when I graduate not only that it guarantees me a great paying job well

guarantees me a great paying job well

guarantees me a great paying job well that was true until about halfway

that was true until about halfway

that was true until about halfway through my pricy private school

through my pricy private school

through my pricy private school education when things changed completely

education when things changed completely

education when things changed completely the dot-com crash happened and the

the dot-com crash happened and the

the dot-com crash happened and the dot-com boom was over the recruiters

dot-com boom was over the recruiters

dot-com boom was over the recruiters that normally came to our school to hire

that normally came to our school to hire

that normally came to our school to hire students they canceled their visits not

students they canceled their visits not

students they canceled their visits not only did they cancel their visits but

only did they cancel their visits but

only did they cancel their visits but the jobs they were hiring for were

the jobs they were hiring for were

the jobs they were hiring for were canceled too I was terrified the entire

canceled too I was terrified the entire

canceled too I was terrified the entire job market had just changed

job market had just changed

job market had just changed and I wasn’t even the best student to

and I wasn’t even the best student to

and I wasn’t even the best student to begin with my friends were the ones with

begin with my friends were the ones with

begin with my friends were the ones with the straight A’s and the perfect SATs

the straight A’s and the perfect SATs

the straight A’s and the perfect SATs not me I wonder how in the world I’d

not me I wonder how in the world I’d

not me I wonder how in the world I’d survive in fact in a number of my

survive in fact in a number of my

survive in fact in a number of my computer programming courses I’m the one

computer programming courses I’m the one

computer programming courses I’m the one who helps to organize the team and put

who helps to organize the team and put

who helps to organize the team and put the presentation materials together

the presentation materials together

the presentation materials together writing computer code feels difficult to

writing computer code feels difficult to

writing computer code feels difficult to me that’s why I help with the

me that’s why I help with the

me that’s why I help with the presentation materials or so I think

presentation materials or so I think

presentation materials or so I think about halfway through our senior year

about halfway through our senior year

about halfway through our senior year one of our professors asks us to write a

one of our professors asks us to write a

one of our professors asks us to write a story about someone who’s made a

story about someone who’s made a

story about someone who’s made a difference for us during our time in

difference for us during our time in

difference for us during our time in school and to my surprise one of my

school and to my surprise one of my

school and to my surprise one of my super-smart classmates writes about me

super-smart classmates writes about me

super-smart classmates writes about me he says I have a thing for bringing

he says I have a thing for bringing

he says I have a thing for bringing people together and for making our

people together and for making our

people together and for making our projects make sense it was something I

projects make sense it was something I

projects make sense it was something I never thought of and I never considered

never thought of and I never considered

never thought of and I never considered maybe it’s not that I’m bad at one thing

maybe it’s not that I’m bad at one thing

maybe it’s not that I’m bad at one thing maybe I’m good at something else

maybe I’m good at something else

maybe I’m good at something else and with that I started to explore

and with that I started to explore

and with that I started to explore alternative career paths I mean what

alternative career paths I mean what

alternative career paths I mean what could I do other than computer

could I do other than computer

could I do other than computer programming

programming

programming what transferable skills did I have well

what transferable skills did I have well

what transferable skills did I have well I applied for a project management

I applied for a project management

I applied for a project management position at a little logistics company

position at a little logistics company

position at a little logistics company called FedEx you might have heard of

called FedEx you might have heard of

called FedEx you might have heard of that and I was really excited to fly

that and I was really excited to fly

that and I was really excited to fly down to their headquarters for a job

down to their headquarters for a job

down to their headquarters for a job interview right up until I met the two

interview right up until I met the two

interview right up until I met the two other people that they also flew in to

other people that they also flew in to

other people that they also flew in to interview against me for one job I

interview against me for one job I

interview against me for one job I remember meeting those people and

remember meeting those people and

remember meeting those people and feeling in total total disbelief that a

feeling in total total disbelief that a

feeling in total total disbelief that a job interview could be structured this

job interview could be structured this

job interview could be structured this way I mean it was like interview to the

way I mean it was like interview to the

way I mean it was like interview to the death or some kind of weird gladiator

death or some kind of weird gladiator

death or some kind of weird gladiator movie oh man I went back to the hotel

movie oh man I went back to the hotel

movie oh man I went back to the hotel room and I reread the Job Description

room and I reread the Job Description

room and I reread the Job Description and I found something

and I found something

and I found something I missed that job required an MBA not

I missed that job required an MBA not

I missed that job required an MBA not optional required I went from feeling

optional required I went from feeling

optional required I went from feeling scared when I arrived to feeling

scared when I arrived to feeling

scared when I arrived to feeling completely embarrassed not only were the

completely embarrassed not only were the

completely embarrassed not only were the two other candidates more than twice my

two other candidates more than twice my

two other candidates more than twice my age but they both had MBAs an extensive

age but they both had MBAs an extensive

age but they both had MBAs an extensive work experience the night before the big

work experience the night before the big

work experience the night before the big interviews we all ate together at a

interviews we all ate together at a

interviews we all ate together at a local Memphis barbecue restaurant they

local Memphis barbecue restaurant they

local Memphis barbecue restaurant they used MBA business jargon I’d never even

used MBA business jargon I’d never even

used MBA business jargon I’d never even heard before well I decided to give it a

heard before well I decided to give it a

heard before well I decided to give it a shot because what did I really have to

shot because what did I really have to

shot because what did I really have to lose I did my best and then I headed to

lose I did my best and then I headed to

lose I did my best and then I headed to the airport expecting to never ever hear

the airport expecting to never ever hear

the airport expecting to never ever hear from them again when suddenly while I

from them again when suddenly while I

from them again when suddenly while I was still in the terminal I got a phone

was still in the terminal I got a phone

was still in the terminal I got a phone call

call

call it was the hiring manager he was calling

it was the hiring manager he was calling

it was the hiring manager he was calling to offer me the job I couldn’t believe

to offer me the job I couldn’t believe

to offer me the job I couldn’t believe it but looking back I was a great fit

it but looking back I was a great fit

it but looking back I was a great fit within the organization and let’s be

within the organization and let’s be

within the organization and let’s be honest I was definitely the cheapest but

honest I was definitely the cheapest but

honest I was definitely the cheapest but the thing that really surprised me was

the thing that really surprised me was

the thing that really surprised me was that during the interview they asked us

that during the interview they asked us

that during the interview they asked us math problems that’s right we had to

math problems that’s right we had to

math problems that’s right we had to work out math problems in front of a

work out math problems in front of a

work out math problems in front of a panel of judges one of the problems was

panel of judges one of the problems was

panel of judges one of the problems was a Venn diagram if so many people ship

a Venn diagram if so many people ship

a Venn diagram if so many people ship with FedEx and a handful of other

with FedEx and a handful of other

with FedEx and a handful of other variables how many people might ship

variables how many people might ship

variables how many people might ship with FedEx and some other provider it

with FedEx and some other provider it

with FedEx and some other provider it turns out of the three of us I was the

turns out of the three of us I was the

turns out of the three of us I was the only one who caught the math problems

only one who caught the math problems

only one who caught the math problems right

right

right I guess engineering school really is

I guess engineering school really is

I guess engineering school really is good for something

well the thing I learned from this

well the thing I learned from this experience is that the rules we see out

experience is that the rules we see out

experience is that the rules we see out in the world just aren’t always rules

in the world just aren’t always rules

in the world just aren’t always rules sometimes they’re just guidelines or

sometimes they’re just guidelines or

sometimes they’re just guidelines or suggestions but if we don’t push those

suggestions but if we don’t push those

suggestions but if we don’t push those boundaries we won’t know which our rules

boundaries we won’t know which our rules

boundaries we won’t know which our rules and which are more flexible requirements

and which are more flexible requirements

and which are more flexible requirements on a job description just aren’t always

on a job description just aren’t always

on a job description just aren’t always required and the job market isn’t always

required and the job market isn’t always

required and the job market isn’t always what you’d expect but you’ve still got

what you’d expect but you’ve still got

what you’d expect but you’ve still got to try anyway what I’m trying to say is

to try anyway what I’m trying to say is

to try anyway what I’m trying to say is I can relate to this difficult job

I can relate to this difficult job

I can relate to this difficult job market that we’re all facing today for

market that we’re all facing today for

market that we’re all facing today for the first time in the modern era more

the first time in the modern era more

the first time in the modern era more people under the age of 35 are living

people under the age of 35 are living

people under the age of 35 are living with their parents that are living with

with their parents that are living with

with their parents that are living with romantic partners I live in downtown

romantic partners I live in downtown

romantic partners I live in downtown Memphis and I recently started seeing

Memphis and I recently started seeing

Memphis and I recently started seeing some signs for apartments in my

some signs for apartments in my

some signs for apartments in my neighborhood but they weren’t the normal

neighborhood but they weren’t the normal

neighborhood but they weren’t the normal signs about the cost or the number of

signs about the cost or the number of

signs about the cost or the number of bedrooms they were about the advantages

bedrooms they were about the advantages

bedrooms they were about the advantages of living in your own apartment rather

of living in your own apartment rather

of living in your own apartment rather than your parents house one of them

than your parents house one of them

than your parents house one of them actually said let’s be honest your

actually said let’s be honest your

actually said let’s be honest your parents aren’t going to move out first

parents aren’t going to move out first

parents aren’t going to move out first oh but it makes sense as to why young

oh but it makes sense as to why young

oh but it makes sense as to why young people are struggling to find their

people are struggling to find their

people are struggling to find their place in the world I mean the average

place in the world I mean the average

place in the world I mean the average cost of private college tuition was over

cost of private college tuition was over

cost of private college tuition was over $33,000 last year and for state school

$33,000 last year and for state school

$33,000 last year and for state school it was over $9,000 baby boomers are

it was over $9,000 baby boomers are

it was over $9,000 baby boomers are staying in their jobs for longer than

staying in their jobs for longer than

staying in their jobs for longer than ever before leaving less good jobs for

ever before leaving less good jobs for

ever before leaving less good jobs for young workers in fact people who are

young workers in fact people who are

young workers in fact people who are thirty only half of them are making as

thirty only half of them are making as

thirty only half of them are making as much as their parents did at their age

much as their parents did at their age

much as their parents did at their age that’s a huge drop from the 1970s when

that’s a huge drop from the 1970s when

that’s a huge drop from the 1970s when over 90% of people were making as much

over 90% of people were making as much

over 90% of people were making as much as their parents so what can we do about

as their parents so what can we do about

as their parents so what can we do about this well here’s an example I recently

this well here’s an example I recently

this well here’s an example I recently had a meeting with a hiring manager who

had a meeting with a hiring manager who

had a meeting with a hiring manager who was having a hard time getting

was having a hard time getting

was having a hard time getting applications for a particular job

applications for a particular job

applications for a particular job posting

posting

posting he’d been advised to put everything he

he’d been advised to put everything he

he’d been advised to put everything he could want into one job posting and so

could want into one job posting and so

could want into one job posting and so he did he included things like digital

he did he included things like digital

he did he included things like digital marketing skills selling skills customer

marketing skills selling skills customer

marketing skills selling skills customer service skills technology skills if you

service skills technology skills if you

service skills technology skills if you read that job description you might

read that job description you might

read that job description you might think he was looking for a computer

think he was looking for a computer

think he was looking for a computer engineer with an MBA and marketing and

engineer with an MBA and marketing and

engineer with an MBA and marketing and experience in sales digital marketing

experience in sales digital marketing

experience in sales digital marketing and technology it’s really a lot to ask

and technology it’s really a lot to ask

and technology it’s really a lot to ask for in one person in pretty specific

for in one person in pretty specific

for in one person in pretty specific well I sent that job description around

well I sent that job description around

well I sent that job description around to a number of people who I know would

to a number of people who I know would

to a number of people who I know would have been a great fit and they all said

have been a great fit and they all said

have been a great fit and they all said the same thing

the same thing

the same thing I’m not comfortable applying because I’m

I’m not comfortable applying because I’m

I’m not comfortable applying because I’m not qualified but the thing is that

not qualified but the thing is that

not qualified but the thing is that hiring manager he would have happily

hiring manager he would have happily

hiring manager he would have happily taken someone who met 70 or 80 percent

taken someone who met 70 or 80 percent

taken someone who met 70 or 80 percent of the requirements if only they’d

of the requirements if only they’d

of the requirements if only they’d applied will remember that FedEx job I

applied will remember that FedEx job I

applied will remember that FedEx job I got that I was totally under qualified

got that I was totally under qualified

got that I was totally under qualified for I took it and I worked at the

for I took it and I worked at the

for I took it and I worked at the company and I enjoyed the great benefits

company and I enjoyed the great benefits

company and I enjoyed the great benefits the 401k and the vacation for three

the 401k and the vacation for three

the 401k and the vacation for three years before I quit my job to go back to

years before I quit my job to go back to

years before I quit my job to go back to business school at the time I received

business school at the time I received

business school at the time I received quite a bit of negative feedback from

quite a bit of negative feedback from

quite a bit of negative feedback from the usual suspects who said things like

the usual suspects who said things like

the usual suspects who said things like why would you want to quit your job

why would you want to quit your job

why would you want to quit your job you’ve got such a

you’ve got such a

you’ve got such a great job well for those of my parents

great job well for those of my parents

great job well for those of my parents and grandparents generations staying at

and grandparents generations staying at

and grandparents generations staying at a job for 20 or 30 years meant you’d be

a job for 20 or 30 years meant you’d be

a job for 20 or 30 years meant you’d be set you get a retirement it was the

set you get a retirement it was the

set you get a retirement it was the right thing to do

right thing to do

right thing to do but in today’s career environment people

but in today’s career environment people

but in today’s career environment people only stay at a job for 3 to 5 years in

only stay at a job for 3 to 5 years in

only stay at a job for 3 to 5 years in fact if you stay at a job for too long

fact if you stay at a job for too long

fact if you stay at a job for too long your future hiring manager may wonder if

your future hiring manager may wonder if

your future hiring manager may wonder if your skill set is out-of-date or if

your skill set is out-of-date or if

your skill set is out-of-date or if you’re not very ambitious in fact there

you’re not very ambitious in fact there

you’re not very ambitious in fact there are even men studies that have shown

are even men studies that have shown

are even men studies that have shown that those who stay at jobs for too long

that those who stay at jobs for too long

that those who stay at jobs for too long will likely make less over the course of

will likely make less over the course of

will likely make less over the course of their career Forbes estimates this

their career Forbes estimates this

their career Forbes estimates this number to be 50% less 50% but if you

number to be 50% less 50% but if you

number to be 50% less 50% but if you think about it logically it makes sense

think about it logically it makes sense

think about it logically it makes sense because if you stay at one company

because if you stay at one company

because if you stay at one company you’ll get a raise of just about 2 or 3%

you’ll get a raise of just about 2 or 3%

you’ll get a raise of just about 2 or 3% each year but if you switch companies

each year but if you switch companies

each year but if you switch companies you get to renegotiate from scratch and

you get to renegotiate from scratch and

you get to renegotiate from scratch and you can go up 10 percent 20 percent or

you can go up 10 percent 20 percent or

you can go up 10 percent 20 percent or even 50 percent in just one switch I can

even 50 percent in just one switch I can

even 50 percent in just one switch I can personally attest to this twice I’ve

personally attest to this twice I’ve

personally attest to this twice I’ve negotiated up my own salary over 50

negotiated up my own salary over 50

negotiated up my own salary over 50 percent and once I doubled my salary

percent and once I doubled my salary

percent and once I doubled my salary this is a great incentive to never stop

this is a great incentive to never stop

this is a great incentive to never stop looking for a job it’s also a great

looking for a job it’s also a great

looking for a job it’s also a great incentive for companies to spend less

incentive for companies to spend less

incentive for companies to spend less time and less energy training their

time and less energy training their

time and less energy training their existing employees because turnover is

existing employees because turnover is

existing employees because turnover is so high this puts the burden back on you

so high this puts the burden back on you

so high this puts the burden back on you to pursue your own education in your own

to pursue your own education in your own

to pursue your own education in your own training on your own don’t assume that

training on your own don’t assume that

training on your own don’t assume that your company will send you to some

your company will send you to some

your company will send you to some special course go out there and do it

special course go out there and do it

special course go out there and do it otherwise someone will pass you by who’s

otherwise someone will pass you by who’s

otherwise someone will pass you by who’s pursuing their own training and their

pursuing their own training and their

pursuing their own training and their own skills on their own this is exactly

own skills on their own this is exactly

own skills on their own this is exactly why I quit my job to go back to business

why I quit my job to go back to business

why I quit my job to go back to business school that and to interfere with my own

school that and to interfere with my own

school that and to interfere with my own career path yet again I entered white I

career path yet again I entered white I

career path yet again I entered white I initially thought would be a 20-month

initially thought would be a 20-month

initially thought would be a 20-month program and I ended up graduating in 15

program and I ended up graduating in 15

program and I ended up graduating in 15 months at the end of the program I had a

months at the end of the program I had a

months at the end of the program I had a number of great job offers including one

number of great job offers including one

number of great job offers including one that paid twice what I was making before

that paid twice what I was making before

that paid twice what I was making before business school

business school

business school sounds pretty good right in theory yes

sounds pretty good right in theory yes

sounds pretty good right in theory yes but it was twice as much money to do the

but it was twice as much money to do the

but it was twice as much money to do the exact same kind of job I had before

exact same kind of job I had before

exact same kind of job I had before business school but just for a different

business school but just for a different

business school but just for a different company and I didn’t quit my job to go

company and I didn’t quit my job to go

company and I didn’t quit my job to go back to graduate school to make twice as

back to graduate school to make twice as

back to graduate school to make twice as much money doing the same job but just

much money doing the same job but just

much money doing the same job but just for a different company I’m ambitious

for a different company I’m ambitious

for a different company I’m ambitious and frankly that sounds boring I wanted

and frankly that sounds boring I wanted

and frankly that sounds boring I wanted to switch departments and go up the

to switch departments and go up the

to switch departments and go up the company ladder so can you guess what I

company ladder so can you guess what I

company ladder so can you guess what I did yep

did yep

did yep I turned down every job offer it was

I turned down every job offer it was

I turned down every job offer it was scary because at the time I wasn’t

scary because at the time I wasn’t

scary because at the time I wasn’t working and I didn’t know how I’d pay

working and I didn’t know how I’d pay

working and I didn’t know how I’d pay the rent but I had faith in my abilities

the rent but I had faith in my abilities

the rent but I had faith in my abilities and I knew that if I could finish school

and I knew that if I could finish school

and I knew that if I could finish school early I could take a little time to

early I could take a little time to

early I could take a little time to think about what I’d like to do for work

think about what I’d like to do for work

think about what I’d like to do for work I didn’t have to do anything

I didn’t have to do anything

I didn’t have to do anything well my decision honestly scared me for

well my decision honestly scared me for

well my decision honestly scared me for a really long time and I kept a copy

a really long time and I kept a copy

a really long time and I kept a copy that big off her letter nearby and I’d

that big off her letter nearby and I’d

that big off her letter nearby and I’d look at it whenever I was feeling

look at it whenever I was feeling

look at it whenever I was feeling uncertain about things at the time it

uncertain about things at the time it

uncertain about things at the time it was a lot but then the strangest thing

was a lot but then the strangest thing

was a lot but then the strangest thing happened I learned about this new field

happened I learned about this new field

happened I learned about this new field called digital marketing I knew how to

called digital marketing I knew how to

called digital marketing I knew how to build websites and I had a pretty good

build websites and I had a pretty good

build websites and I had a pretty good sense for marketing I became an

sense for marketing I became an

sense for marketing I became an affiliate marketer it’s this kind of

affiliate marketer it’s this kind of

affiliate marketer it’s this kind of marketing where you promote products

marketing where you promote products

marketing where you promote products online for companies and then you take a

online for companies and then you take a

online for companies and then you take a commission on their sales

commission on their sales

commission on their sales I sold a whole lot of shoes for this

I sold a whole lot of shoes for this

I sold a whole lot of shoes for this website you might have heard of called

website you might have heard of called

website you might have heard of called Zappos calm and after a while I built up

Zappos calm and after a while I built up

Zappos calm and after a while I built up my skills enough to land a full-time

my skills enough to land a full-time

my skills enough to land a full-time digital marketing job on my own it was a

digital marketing job on my own it was a

digital marketing job on my own it was a game changer I became a director of

game changer I became a director of

game changer I became a director of digital marketing at a well-known home

digital marketing at a well-known home

digital marketing at a well-known home services company and later a vice

services company and later a vice

services company and later a vice president at a large bank in today’s

president at a large bank in today’s

president at a large bank in today’s career environment you don’t get bonus

career environment you don’t get bonus

career environment you don’t get bonus points waiting for your boss to tell you

points waiting for your boss to tell you

points waiting for your boss to tell you you’re good enough don’t wait and don’t

you’re good enough don’t wait and don’t

you’re good enough don’t wait and don’t let the fear of failure stop you from

let the fear of failure stop you from

let the fear of failure stop you from trying

trying

trying as someone once said formal education

as someone once said formal education

as someone once said formal education will make you a living self education

will make you a living self education

will make you a living self education will make you a fortune ironically my

will make you a fortune ironically my

will make you a fortune ironically my own career transition from engineer to

own career transition from engineer to

own career transition from engineer to project manager to digital marketing

project manager to digital marketing

project manager to digital marketing executive led me to an entirely new

executive led me to an entirely new

executive led me to an entirely new career path it turns out I really like

career path it turns out I really like

career path it turns out I really like interviewing for all sorts of jobs and

interviewing for all sorts of jobs and

interviewing for all sorts of jobs and at all sorts of companies it’s kind of

at all sorts of companies it’s kind of

at all sorts of companies it’s kind of like an obsession yep I once snuck onto

like an obsession yep I once snuck onto

like an obsession yep I once snuck onto a graduate school campus where I did not

a graduate school campus where I did not

a graduate school campus where I did not go and pose as a student there in order

go and pose as a student there in order

go and pose as a student there in order to get a job interview it worked when

to get a job interview it worked when

to get a job interview it worked when word got out about my love people

word got out about my love people

word got out about my love people started asking me for help with their

started asking me for help with their

started asking me for help with their careers as a career coach and now I get

careers as a career coach and now I get

careers as a career coach and now I get a chance to see inside the secret

a chance to see inside the secret

a chance to see inside the secret process that we’re all in the middle of

process that we’re all in the middle of

process that we’re all in the middle of and do you know what makes some people

and do you know what makes some people

and do you know what makes some people more successful than others they don’t

more successful than others they don’t

more successful than others they don’t wait for permission and they never

wait for permission and they never

wait for permission and they never assume a company isn’t interested in

assume a company isn’t interested in

assume a company isn’t interested in them or that they’re not qualified let

them or that they’re not qualified let

them or that they’re not qualified let me leave you with this finding your path

me leave you with this finding your path

me leave you with this finding your path isn’t going to be easy it’s not going to

isn’t going to be easy it’s not going to

isn’t going to be easy it’s not going to be straightforward and it may take a

be straightforward and it may take a

be straightforward and it may take a while to put all the pieces together in

while to put all the pieces together in

while to put all the pieces together in fact you may find that you’re always

fact you may find that you’re always

fact you may find that you’re always working to put another piece into the

working to put another piece into the

working to put another piece into the puzzle but it is absolutely worth it to

puzzle but it is absolutely worth it to

puzzle but it is absolutely worth it to take a risk to interfere with your

take a risk to interfere with your

take a risk to interfere with your career to find something that you truly

career to find something that you truly

career to find something that you truly love thank you

love thank you

love thank you [Applause]

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