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How A Six Year Old Helped Me Become An Engineer | Caroline Skae | TEDxSanLuisObispo


for the past two years as an engineering

for the past two years as an engineering student here at Cal Poly I’ve had many

student here at Cal Poly I’ve had many

student here at Cal Poly I’ve had many wonderful professors but the best

wonderful professors but the best

wonderful professors but the best teacher I’ve ever had has been this six

teacher I’ve ever had has been this six

teacher I’ve ever had has been this six year old boy this is my friend Levi who

year old boy this is my friend Levi who

year old boy this is my friend Levi who fueled my interest in biomedical

fueled my interest in biomedical

fueled my interest in biomedical engineering the first time I met Levi

engineering the first time I met Levi

engineering the first time I met Levi was on his sixth birthday like any other

was on his sixth birthday like any other

was on his sixth birthday like any other six-year-old boy Levi loves Legos

six-year-old boy Levi loves Legos

six-year-old boy Levi loves Legos watching TV and surfing with his dad

watching TV and surfing with his dad

watching TV and surfing with his dad unlike other six-year-old boys Levi was

unlike other six-year-old boys Levi was

unlike other six-year-old boys Levi was born with a congenital hand amputation

born with a congenital hand amputation

born with a congenital hand amputation that left him with around a third of his

that left him with around a third of his

that left him with around a third of his left palm I was connected to Levi

left palm I was connected to Levi

left palm I was connected to Levi through Cal Poly when I was accepted as

through Cal Poly when I was accepted as

through Cal Poly when I was accepted as a biomedical engineering student I was

a biomedical engineering student I was

a biomedical engineering student I was excited by the school’s hands-on

excited by the school’s hands-on

excited by the school’s hands-on approach but I never expected anything

approach but I never expected anything

approach but I never expected anything like my experience with Levi when my dad

like my experience with Levi when my dad

like my experience with Levi when my dad and I first visited Cal Poly we toured

and I first visited Cal Poly we toured

and I first visited Cal Poly we toured the QL plus lab this is a space created

the QL plus lab this is a space created

the QL plus lab this is a space created by the quality of life plus foundation a

by the quality of life plus foundation a

by the quality of life plus foundation a national organization which aims to

national organization which aims to

national organization which aims to engineer solutions for wounded veterans

engineer solutions for wounded veterans

engineer solutions for wounded veterans looking around at all of the posters of

looking around at all of the posters of

looking around at all of the posters of projects and hearing the inspiring

projects and hearing the inspiring

projects and hearing the inspiring stories of those who had been helped I

stories of those who had been helped I

stories of those who had been helped I was hooked as my dad and I were walking

was hooked as my dad and I were walking

was hooked as my dad and I were walking out of the lab I told him I was

out of the lab I told him I was

out of the lab I told him I was definitely going to Cal Poly and that I

definitely going to Cal Poly and that I

definitely going to Cal Poly and that I would build someone a prosthetic device

would build someone a prosthetic device

would build someone a prosthetic device in my first year a few months later at

in my first year a few months later at

in my first year a few months later at the first q il+ general meeting I spoke

the first q il+ general meeting I spoke

the first q il+ general meeting I spoke with a club officer and I asked how I

with a club officer and I asked how I

with a club officer and I asked how I could get more involved he met my

could get more involved he met my

could get more involved he met my enthusiasm with applications for project

enthusiasm with applications for project

enthusiasm with applications for project teams eager to join a team that would be

teams eager to join a team that would be

teams eager to join a team that would be helping a young boy in the community I

helping a young boy in the community I

helping a young boy in the community I filled out all the applications for the

filled out all the applications for the

filled out all the applications for the projects that they had I went back to my

projects that they had I went back to my

projects that they had I went back to my dorm I emailed a resume and a cover

dorm I emailed a resume and a cover

dorm I emailed a resume and a cover letter and I waited a week later I had

letter and I waited a week later I had

letter and I waited a week later I had an interview and I was teeming with

an interview and I was teeming with

an interview and I was teeming with excitement on my way there I kept

excitement on my way there I kept

excitement on my way there I kept checking my email to make sure I the

checking my email to make sure I the

checking my email to make sure I the time and date correct when I noticed

time and date correct when I noticed

time and date correct when I noticed something that made my heart stop

something that made my heart stop

something that made my heart stop the subject line of the email read team

the subject line of the email read team

the subject line of the email read team lead interview this wasn’t a team member

lead interview this wasn’t a team member

lead interview this wasn’t a team member interview no one my age would have the

interview no one my age would have the

interview no one my age would have the audacity to apply for such a senior

audacity to apply for such a senior

audacity to apply for such a senior position I was only two weeks into

position I was only two weeks into

position I was only two weeks into college and had no experience building a

college and had no experience building a

college and had no experience building a prosthetic device before I was sure the

prosthetic device before I was sure the

prosthetic device before I was sure the officers were going to laugh at me in

officers were going to laugh at me in

officers were going to laugh at me in that moment when I was quite literally

that moment when I was quite literally

that moment when I was quite literally stopped in my tracks I realized that I

stopped in my tracks I realized that I

stopped in my tracks I realized that I really only had two options I could

really only had two options I could

really only had two options I could apologize and cancel the interview or I

apologize and cancel the interview or I

apologize and cancel the interview or I could go in and give it my all because I

could go in and give it my all because I

could go in and give it my all because I had absolutely nothing to lose I chose

had absolutely nothing to lose I chose

had absolutely nothing to lose I chose the latter and suddenly I gained a new

the latter and suddenly I gained a new

the latter and suddenly I gained a new sense of confidence in the worst-case

sense of confidence in the worst-case

sense of confidence in the worst-case scenario which was very likely I was

scenario which was very likely I was

scenario which was very likely I was going to be rejected regardless I

going to be rejected regardless I

going to be rejected regardless I reminded myself I’d be gaining more

reminded myself I’d be gaining more

reminded myself I’d be gaining more valuable interview experience so I went

valuable interview experience so I went

valuable interview experience so I went in calmly and confidently as expected I

in calmly and confidently as expected I

in calmly and confidently as expected I wasn’t chosen as the team lead but I was

wasn’t chosen as the team lead but I was

wasn’t chosen as the team lead but I was selected as a team member

selected as a team member

selected as a team member months later during a moment of

months later during a moment of

months later during a moment of discouragement I was actually told that

discouragement I was actually told that

discouragement I was actually told that I was the runner-up for Team lead as

I was the runner-up for Team lead as

I was the runner-up for Team lead as well while I learned a lot about the

well while I learned a lot about the

well while I learned a lot about the fabrication of prosthetic devices which

fabrication of prosthetic devices which

fabrication of prosthetic devices which all lab read on later I’d now like to

all lab read on later I’d now like to

all lab read on later I’d now like to tell you about some of the surprising

tell you about some of the surprising

tell you about some of the surprising truths behind prosthetic devices many

truths behind prosthetic devices many

truths behind prosthetic devices many people don’t know about how difficult it

people don’t know about how difficult it

people don’t know about how difficult it is for an amputee to get a prosthetic

is for an amputee to get a prosthetic

is for an amputee to get a prosthetic device that’s affordable comfortable and

device that’s affordable comfortable and

device that’s affordable comfortable and useful it shouldn’t cost a limb to get a

useful it shouldn’t cost a limb to get a

useful it shouldn’t cost a limb to get a limb the use of 3d printers and

limb the use of 3d printers and

limb the use of 3d printers and motivated students in QL plus solves

motivated students in QL plus solves

motivated students in QL plus solves this problem many prosthetic devices are

this problem many prosthetic devices are

this problem many prosthetic devices are considered cosmetic by insurance

considered cosmetic by insurance

considered cosmetic by insurance companies so they aren’t covered under a

companies so they aren’t covered under a

companies so they aren’t covered under a majority of policies as a child is

majority of policies as a child is

majority of policies as a child is growing up they need new clothing to

growing up they need new clothing to

growing up they need new clothing to adopt their body’s growth and the same

adopt their body’s growth and the same

adopt their body’s growth and the same is true for prosthetic devices so this

is true for prosthetic devices so this

is true for prosthetic devices so this would mean that for a child with a

would mean that for a child with a

would mean that for a child with a congenital amputation like Levi his

congenital amputation like Levi his

congenital amputation like Levi his family would have to spend thousands of

family would have to spend thousands of

family would have to spend thousands of dollars every few years to maintain

dollars every few years to maintain

dollars every few years to maintain normalcy in life additionally

normalcy in life additionally

normalcy in life additionally these expensive prosthetic devices are

these expensive prosthetic devices are

these expensive prosthetic devices are typically not well received unless they

typically not well received unless they

typically not well received unless they are highly functional comfortable and

are highly functional comfortable and

are highly functional comfortable and easy to use while my project was focused

easy to use while my project was focused

easy to use while my project was focused on a boy it’s important to note that the

on a boy it’s important to note that the

on a boy it’s important to note that the other 60% of upper limb deficiencies

other 60% of upper limb deficiencies

other 60% of upper limb deficiencies occur in adults so they’re suffering

occur in adults so they’re suffering

occur in adults so they’re suffering from these policies as well in the

from these policies as well in the

from these policies as well in the United States alone approximately 1,500

United States alone approximately 1,500

United States alone approximately 1,500 children are born as an upper limb

children are born as an upper limb

children are born as an upper limb deficiency every year other countries

deficiency every year other countries

deficiency every year other countries show higher rates of this as well

show higher rates of this as well

show higher rates of this as well according to the Center for Disease

according to the Center for Disease

according to the Center for Disease Control the national rate of depression

Control the national rate of depression

Control the national rate of depression among adolescents is 12.5% in children

among adolescents is 12.5% in children

among adolescents is 12.5% in children with amputations it’s around 30% these

with amputations it’s around 30% these

with amputations it’s around 30% these statistics alone show the severe impact

statistics alone show the severe impact

statistics alone show the severe impact that an amputation can have on a child

that an amputation can have on a child

that an amputation can have on a child well-being it’s preposterous that

well-being it’s preposterous that

well-being it’s preposterous that insurance companies consider these

insurance companies consider these

insurance companies consider these necessary devices to be cosmetic now

necessary devices to be cosmetic now

necessary devices to be cosmetic now building a prosthetic hand is no simple

building a prosthetic hand is no simple

building a prosthetic hand is no simple feat but with determination a great team

feat but with determination a great team

feat but with determination a great team and a hell of a lot of Starbucks

and a hell of a lot of Starbucks

and a hell of a lot of Starbucks anything is possible

anything is possible

anything is possible I remember feeling pretty nervous after

I remember feeling pretty nervous after

I remember feeling pretty nervous after the first time meeting with the team

the first time meeting with the team

the first time meeting with the team none of us had ever built a prosthetic

none of us had ever built a prosthetic

none of us had ever built a prosthetic hand before to mimic the human hand the

hand before to mimic the human hand the

hand before to mimic the human hand the 29 major and minor bones and 17 muscles

29 major and minor bones and 17 muscles

29 major and minor bones and 17 muscles that move the hand seemed an

that move the hand seemed an

that move the hand seemed an overwhelming task rather than power at

overwhelming task rather than power at

overwhelming task rather than power at this challenge we met it through great

this challenge we met it through great

this challenge we met it through great research and computation we hold

research and computation we hold

research and computation we hold multiple meetings during the week and

multiple meetings during the week and

multiple meetings during the week and meetings that lasted upwards of 12 hours

meetings that lasted upwards of 12 hours

meetings that lasted upwards of 12 hours sometimes twice a weekend these meetings

sometimes twice a weekend these meetings

sometimes twice a weekend these meetings never had an official end time and we’re

never had an official end time and we’re

never had an official end time and we’re typically over when someone fell asleep

typically over when someone fell asleep

typically over when someone fell asleep on their work or were too delirious to

on their work or were too delirious to

on their work or were too delirious to talk anymore that person was usually me

talk anymore that person was usually me

talk anymore that person was usually me we read study design debated and tested

we read study design debated and tested

we read study design debated and tested until we were ready to start producing a

until we were ready to start producing a

until we were ready to start producing a prototype some meetings were solely

prototype some meetings were solely

prototype some meetings were solely based on debating a design change and

based on debating a design change and

based on debating a design change and every team member had to agree before a

every team member had to agree before a

every team member had to agree before a change was made even as a freshman with

change was made even as a freshman with

change was made even as a freshman with little and little experience my input

little and little experience my input

little and little experience my input was still valued

was still valued

was still valued much as my peers my team lead made sure

much as my peers my team lead made sure

much as my peers my team lead made sure that everyone had a say in the process

that everyone had a say in the process

that everyone had a say in the process and that’s why I believe we were so

and that’s why I believe we were so

and that’s why I believe we were so successful however that success did not

successful however that success did not

successful however that success did not come easily our first prototype of the

come easily our first prototype of the

come easily our first prototype of the hand felt like a disaster we had used an

hand felt like a disaster we had used an

hand felt like a disaster we had used an open-source hand file online scaled it

open-source hand file online scaled it

open-source hand file online scaled it to Levi’s size printed it and assembled

to Levi’s size printed it and assembled

to Levi’s size printed it and assembled it when we were ready to give him the

it when we were ready to give him the

it when we were ready to give him the hand our school media group mustang news

hand our school media group mustang news

hand our school media group mustang news was there to cover it while they made us

was there to cover it while they made us

was there to cover it while they made us look great the hand could barely do

look great the hand could barely do

look great the hand could barely do anything other than slightly open or

anything other than slightly open or

anything other than slightly open or closed and because Levi didn’t have

closed and because Levi didn’t have

closed and because Levi didn’t have enough strength in his residual limb it

enough strength in his residual limb it

enough strength in his residual limb it was worthless

was worthless

was worthless he saw his hand as a toy and we saw it

he saw his hand as a toy and we saw it

he saw his hand as a toy and we saw it as a failure so we decided to start over

as a failure so we decided to start over

as a failure so we decided to start over from scratch although this first hand

from scratch although this first hand

from scratch although this first hand didn’t work out it did teach us a few

didn’t work out it did teach us a few

didn’t work out it did teach us a few things we went on to produce two more

things we went on to produce two more

things we went on to produce two more successful hand prototypes that were

successful hand prototypes that were

successful hand prototypes that were completely mechanical had multivariable

completely mechanical had multivariable

completely mechanical had multivariable grip and could be manufactured for under

grip and could be manufactured for under

grip and could be manufactured for under $200 now I’m gonna get a little bit

$200 now I’m gonna get a little bit

$200 now I’m gonna get a little bit technical thank you

I’m gonna get a little bit technical for

I’m gonna get a little bit technical for a moment so bear with me we designed all

a moment so bear with me we designed all

a moment so bear with me we designed all of our prototypes in modeling programs

of our prototypes in modeling programs

of our prototypes in modeling programs called NX and SolidWorks we use the

called NX and SolidWorks we use the

called NX and SolidWorks we use the original geometry from the open-source

original geometry from the open-source

original geometry from the open-source hand change the tension inflection

hand change the tension inflection

hand change the tension inflection system incorporated multivariable grip

system incorporated multivariable grip

system incorporated multivariable grip and designed a unique socket and

and designed a unique socket and

and designed a unique socket and gauntlet system inspired by snowboard

gauntlet system inspired by snowboard

gauntlet system inspired by snowboard boots that we had even though these

boots that we had even though these

boots that we had even though these hands allowed Levi to do a range of

hands allowed Levi to do a range of

hands allowed Levi to do a range of tasks like pick up objects and ride a

tasks like pick up objects and ride a

tasks like pick up objects and ride a scooter with ease he still wasn’t as

scooter with ease he still wasn’t as

scooter with ease he still wasn’t as inclined to use them as we wanted him to

inclined to use them as we wanted him to

inclined to use them as we wanted him to be so we decided to create a bike

be so we decided to create a bike

be so we decided to create a bike attachment to spark his motivation and

attachment to spark his motivation and

attachment to spark his motivation and bridge this gap between toy and tool our

bridge this gap between toy and tool our

bridge this gap between toy and tool our bike attachment took her on three

bike attachment took her on three

bike attachment took her on three prototypes to get right but we’ve

prototypes to get right but we’ve

prototypes to get right but we’ve created a product that allows Levi to

created a product that allows Levi to

created a product that allows Levi to ride a bike like any other kid while

ride a bike like any other kid while

ride a bike like any other kid while testing it with him I was pretty nervous

testing it with him I was pretty nervous

testing it with him I was pretty nervous the first time he was off training

the first time he was off training

the first time he was off training wheels riding a bike isn’t an easy task

wheels riding a bike isn’t an easy task

wheels riding a bike isn’t an easy task especially without a hand I remember

especially without a hand I remember

especially without a hand I remember standing next to his parents almost not

standing next to his parents almost not

standing next to his parents almost not even wanting to watch the biggest

even wanting to watch the biggest

even wanting to watch the biggest feeling of relief and excitement came

feeling of relief and excitement came

feeling of relief and excitement came over me when Levi jumped on his bike and

over me when Levi jumped on his bike and

over me when Levi jumped on his bike and started riding circles around us he rode

started riding circles around us he rode

started riding circles around us he rode by us sticking his tongue out at us

by us sticking his tongue out at us

by us sticking his tongue out at us having a great time what his dad said to

having a great time what his dad said to

having a great time what his dad said to us is that there’s nothing special about

us is that there’s nothing special about

us is that there’s nothing special about this event people were just passing by

this event people were just passing by

this event people were just passing by after all it was just a seven-year-old

after all it was just a seven-year-old

after all it was just a seven-year-old boy riding around on his bike that was

boy riding around on his bike that was

boy riding around on his bike that was the incredible part we had accomplished

the incredible part we had accomplished

the incredible part we had accomplished our goal of finding a motivation and

our goal of finding a motivation and

our goal of finding a motivation and normalcy for Levi to use this attachment

normalcy for Levi to use this attachment

normalcy for Levi to use this attachment and open up his mind to prosthetic

and open up his mind to prosthetic

and open up his mind to prosthetic devices so much so that Levi is

devices so much so that Levi is

devices so much so that Levi is interested in becoming an engineer one

interested in becoming an engineer one

interested in becoming an engineer one day so we often joke with his parents

day so we often joke with his parents

day so we often joke with his parents that soon he’ll be building his own

that soon he’ll be building his own

that soon he’ll be building his own prosthesis the best way to improve a

prosthesis the best way to improve a

prosthesis the best way to improve a device is through feedback and what I’ve

device is through feedback and what I’ve

device is through feedback and what I’ve learned is that some of the best

learned is that some of the best

learned is that some of the best feedback comes from photos so every time

feedback comes from photos so every time

feedback comes from photos so every time we meet with Levi I take a ton of photos

we meet with Levi I take a ton of photos

we meet with Levi I take a ton of photos and I think they tell and

and I think they tell and

and I think they tell and part of the story pictured here is

part of the story pictured here is

part of the story pictured here is Levi’s trying on his first prosthetic

Levi’s trying on his first prosthetic

Levi’s trying on his first prosthetic hand the one which I previously

hand the one which I previously

hand the one which I previously described as a disaster as you can see

described as a disaster as you can see

described as a disaster as you can see he needs help holding the tennis ball

he needs help holding the tennis ball

he needs help holding the tennis ball and doesn’t look to you excited about it

and doesn’t look to you excited about it

and doesn’t look to you excited about it in this next hand he has more

in this next hand he has more

in this next hand he has more independence and a slight smile but it

independence and a slight smile but it

independence and a slight smile but it still wasn’t the reaction we were hoping

still wasn’t the reaction we were hoping

still wasn’t the reaction we were hoping for here’s the final hand prototype as

for here’s the final hand prototype as

for here’s the final hand prototype as you can see he’s comfortably enjoying

you can see he’s comfortably enjoying

you can see he’s comfortably enjoying the hand one of the greatest

the hand one of the greatest

the hand one of the greatest advancements added is probably the blue

advancements added is probably the blue

advancements added is probably the blue lego pad you can see on the front of the

lego pad you can see on the front of the

lego pad you can see on the front of the hand for Levi to build off of

hand for Levi to build off of

hand for Levi to build off of well this reaction was amazing we wanted

well this reaction was amazing we wanted

well this reaction was amazing we wanted to do better and we did with the bike

to do better and we did with the bike

to do better and we did with the bike attachment this is pure joy this is a

attachment this is pure joy this is a

attachment this is pure joy this is a child experiencing the freedom of riding

child experiencing the freedom of riding

child experiencing the freedom of riding around with some friends for the first

around with some friends for the first

around with some friends for the first time ever this is what we spent our

time ever this is what we spent our

time ever this is what we spent our Friday and Saturday and sometimes Sunday

Friday and Saturday and sometimes Sunday

Friday and Saturday and sometimes Sunday nights working on our goal was to help

nights working on our goal was to help

nights working on our goal was to help Levi live a life without limitations

Levi live a life without limitations

Levi live a life without limitations as much as we helped him he gave us the

as much as we helped him he gave us the

as much as we helped him he gave us the invaluable opportunity to improve a life

invaluable opportunity to improve a life

invaluable opportunity to improve a life and learn a lot in the process currently

and learn a lot in the process currently

and learn a lot in the process currently we’re working to patent parts of our

we’re working to patent parts of our

we’re working to patent parts of our bike attachment design we’ve created a

bike attachment design we’ve created a

bike attachment design we’ve created a file and a manual that will allow people

file and a manual that will allow people

file and a manual that will allow people to print a bike Tashman or hand of their

to print a bike Tashman or hand of their

to print a bike Tashman or hand of their own with the use of a 3d printer that

own with the use of a 3d printer that

own with the use of a 3d printer that they can assemble with simple hardware

they can assemble with simple hardware

they can assemble with simple hardware for only the cost of the materials of

for only the cost of the materials of

for only the cost of the materials of under $200 putting together one of these

under $200 putting together one of these

under $200 putting together one of these devices

putting together one of these devices

putting together one of these devices can be a little tricky but it’s almost

can be a little tricky but it’s almost

can be a little tricky but it’s almost like assembling an advanced Lego set

like assembling an advanced Lego set

like assembling an advanced Lego set with the instructions to put it simply

with the instructions to put it simply

with the instructions to put it simply engineering is problem solving what I

engineering is problem solving what I

engineering is problem solving what I love so much about the field is the

love so much about the field is the

love so much about the field is the creativity involved and the innovation

creativity involved and the innovation

creativity involved and the innovation that stems from collaboration well we

that stems from collaboration well we

that stems from collaboration well we can use our intelligence to bridge gaps

can use our intelligence to bridge gaps

can use our intelligence to bridge gaps between affordable prosthetic devices it

between affordable prosthetic devices it

between affordable prosthetic devices it takes a diverse group of people to

takes a diverse group of people to

takes a diverse group of people to innovate if you told me at 17 years old

innovate if you told me at 17 years old

innovate if you told me at 17 years old that I would change a boy’s life be a

that I would change a boy’s life be a

that I would change a boy’s life be a finalist in an international

finalist in an international

finalist in an international undergraduate design competition and

undergraduate design competition and

undergraduate design competition and work to patent my ideas in less than two

work to patent my ideas in less than two

work to patent my ideas in less than two years I’m not sure if I would have

years I’m not sure if I would have

years I’m not sure if I would have believed you in the beginning I felt

believed you in the beginning I felt

believed you in the beginning I felt like I had to fake my confidence while

like I had to fake my confidence while

like I had to fake my confidence while working with upperclassmen and graduate

working with upperclassmen and graduate

working with upperclassmen and graduate students but through this project I

students but through this project I

students but through this project I learned to own my strengths ask

learned to own my strengths ask

learned to own my strengths ask questions and not be afraid to

questions and not be afraid to

questions and not be afraid to contribute when I started my engineering

contribute when I started my engineering

contribute when I started my engineering degree at Cal Poly I never imagined that

degree at Cal Poly I never imagined that

degree at Cal Poly I never imagined that my best teachers would be my peers and a

my best teachers would be my peers and a

my best teachers would be my peers and a little six-year-old boy or that we would

little six-year-old boy or that we would

little six-year-old boy or that we would end up making the impact that we did

end up making the impact that we did

end up making the impact that we did with minimal resources and determination

with minimal resources and determination

with minimal resources and determination we were able to create high quality low

we were able to create high quality low

we were able to create high quality low cost devices that will help set a new

cost devices that will help set a new

cost devices that will help set a new standard for people to live a life

standard for people to live a life

standard for people to live a life without limitations

without limitations

without limitations there are many new Peaks to be climbed

there are many new Peaks to be climbed

there are many new Peaks to be climbed in the world of engineering and I

in the world of engineering and I

in the world of engineering and I implore anyone inclined to pursue their

implore anyone inclined to pursue their

implore anyone inclined to pursue their dreams whatever they are to do it

dreams whatever they are to do it

dreams whatever they are to do it wholeheartedly and who knows in reaching

wholeheartedly and who knows in reaching

wholeheartedly and who knows in reaching your own pinnacles you may enable others

your own pinnacles you may enable others

your own pinnacles you may enable others to do the same thank you

to do the same thank you

to do the same thank you [Applause]

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