good evening I’m going to start with a question do you know what the connection
question do you know what the connection
question do you know what the connection between Richard Branson and Jeff Bezos
between Richard Branson and Jeff Bezos
between Richard Branson and Jeff Bezos Jeff be sources the founder of Amazon
Jeff be sources the founder of Amazon
Jeff be sources the founder of Amazon and he’s a rather rich man the answer is
and he’s a rather rich man the answer is
and he’s a rather rich man the answer is that they both have space projects and
that they both have space projects and
that they both have space projects and the obviously without talking about
the obviously without talking about
the obviously without talking about space so there’s another one as well
space so there’s another one as well
space so there’s another one as well Elon Musk he’s very well known and if I
Elon Musk he’s very well known and if I
Elon Musk he’s very well known and if I put that in the question then everyone
put that in the question then everyone
put that in the question then everyone know the answer but you know musk is a
know the answer but you know musk is a
know the answer but you know musk is a very successful entrepreneur and he has
very successful entrepreneur and he has
very successful entrepreneur and he has a space company called SpaceX and they
a space company called SpaceX and they
a space company called SpaceX and they have been in the news almost every day
have been in the news almost every day
have been in the news almost every day Jeff B’s offices company Blue Origin is
Jeff B’s offices company Blue Origin is
Jeff B’s offices company Blue Origin is not in the news but they’re doing very
not in the news but they’re doing very
not in the news but they’re doing very big things in space and he’s spending up
big things in space and he’s spending up
big things in space and he’s spending up to a billion dollars a year in space I
to a billion dollars a year in space I
to a billion dollars a year in space I can’t compete with that so I’m proposing
can’t compete with that so I’m proposing
can’t compete with that so I’m proposing a poor-man’s space project but it’s
a poor-man’s space project but it’s
a poor-man’s space project but it’s British and what’s important is it gets
British and what’s important is it gets
British and what’s important is it gets Britain back into space and that might
Britain back into space and that might
Britain back into space and that might seem a tosser fairly frivolous activity
seem a tosser fairly frivolous activity
seem a tosser fairly frivolous activity but actually getting space getting
but actually getting space getting
but actually getting space getting Britain into space is very important
Britain into space is very important
Britain into space is very important because we need engineers and
because we need engineers and
because we need engineers and engineering has a very poor status in
engineering has a very poor status in
engineering has a very poor status in this in this country people are saying
this in this country people are saying
this in this country people are saying oh I want the washing machine engineer
oh I want the washing machine engineer
oh I want the washing machine engineer to come out and fix my washing machine
to come out and fix my washing machine
to come out and fix my washing machine that’s not engineering engineering is
that’s not engineering engineering is
that’s not engineering engineering is designing rockets and building things
designing rockets and building things
designing rockets and building things that help grow the economy so we need
that help grow the economy so we need
that help grow the economy so we need this we need something in the UK and the
this we need something in the UK and the
this we need something in the UK and the government has recognized that and
government has recognized that and
government has recognized that and they’re beginning to invest into space
they’re beginning to invest into space
they’re beginning to invest into space sports but we need something developed
sports but we need something developed
sports but we need something developed in the UK for the UK to inspire the next
in the UK for the UK to inspire the next
in the UK for the UK to inspire the next generation so I was going to talk a
generation so I was going to talk a
generation so I was going to talk a little bit about my background how I got
little bit about my background how I got
little bit about my background how I got into this and hopefully this will lead
into this and hopefully this will lead
into this and hopefully this will lead other engineers to follow my tracks I’m
other engineers to follow my tracks I’m
other engineers to follow my tracks I’m not
not
not pioneer but I want to give something
pioneer but I want to give something
pioneer but I want to give something back to the engineering profession so I
back to the engineering profession so I
back to the engineering profession so I was born at the end of the 60s around
was born at the end of the 60s around
was born at the end of the 60s around the time when the Apollo moon landings
the time when the Apollo moon landings
the time when the Apollo moon landings were happening and maybe that had some
were happening and maybe that had some
were happening and maybe that had some effect on me I was born in a time when
effect on me I was born in a time when
effect on me I was born in a time when there was black and white TV anywho
there was black and white TV anywho
there was black and white TV anywho remember back there was a three channels
remember back there was a three channels
remember back there was a three channels and then there was Channel four and that
and then there was Channel four and that
and then there was Channel four and that was a big big news now we’ve got
was a big big news now we’ve got
was a big big news now we’ve got hundreds of channels there’s been there
hundreds of channels there’s been there
hundreds of channels there’s been there was no internet there was no mobile
was no internet there was no mobile
was no internet there was no mobile phones and so you can see how engineers
phones and so you can see how engineers
phones and so you can see how engineers have actually changed the world in a
have actually changed the world in a
have actually changed the world in a significant way and it’s been said that
significant way and it’s been said that
significant way and it’s been said that software is taking over the world but
software is taking over the world but
software is taking over the world but not really much as happened in space
not really much as happened in space
not really much as happened in space it’s the same old way to get there and
it’s the same old way to get there and
it’s the same old way to get there and things haven’t moved on so I graduated I
things haven’t moved on so I graduated I
things haven’t moved on so I graduated I left University and I’ve always had an
left University and I’ve always had an
left University and I’ve always had an interest in space and I got involved in
interest in space and I got involved in
interest in space and I got involved in amateur Rockets and one of the things I
amateur Rockets and one of the things I
amateur Rockets and one of the things I did was we had a team of people we go to
did was we had a team of people we go to
did was we had a team of people we go to rocket and we took it out to Nevada in
rocket and we took it out to Nevada in
rocket and we took it out to Nevada in the u.s. to the Black Rock Desert we
the u.s. to the Black Rock Desert we
the u.s. to the Black Rock Desert we went to an amateur rocketry event called
went to an amateur rocketry event called
went to an amateur rocketry event called alms so it’s a male dominated so we got
alms so it’s a male dominated so we got
alms so it’s a male dominated so we got the rocket launch prepare it launched it
the rocket launch prepare it launched it
the rocket launch prepare it launched it and somebody said something that got me
and somebody said something that got me
and somebody said something that got me thinking and that’s got me thinking for
thinking and that’s got me thinking for
thinking and that’s got me thinking for a number of years since then and that
a number of years since then and that
a number of years since then and that was the highest this Rockets ever been
was the highest this Rockets ever been
was the highest this Rockets ever been is in the aircraft that Paul Genova and
is in the aircraft that Paul Genova and
is in the aircraft that Paul Genova and so that got me thinking whoa why did you
so that got me thinking whoa why did you
so that got me thinking whoa why did you launch a rocket up an aircraft and I’m
launch a rocket up an aircraft and I’m
launch a rocket up an aircraft and I’m not the first to think about that
not the first to think about that
not the first to think about that there’s a rocket they had been launched
there’s a rocket they had been launched
there’s a rocket they had been launched from an aircraft so that’s a proven
from an aircraft so that’s a proven
from an aircraft so that’s a proven technique it’s called Pegasus and it’s
technique it’s called Pegasus and it’s
technique it’s called Pegasus and it’s offer an old twice value
offer an old twice value
offer an old twice value so it gives you an idea that that’s
so it gives you an idea that that’s
so it gives you an idea that that’s possible there’s nothing nothing new in
possible there’s nothing nothing new in
possible there’s nothing nothing new in that but what we so we’ve got a look it
that but what we so we’ve got a look it
that but what we so we’ve got a look it launched and then I came back to the UK
launched and then I came back to the UK
launched and then I came back to the UK and then I’ve got thinking this
and then I’ve got thinking this
and then I’ve got thinking this in the afternoon why why is nobody else
in the afternoon why why is nobody else
in the afternoon why why is nobody else thought about that and it was around
thought about that and it was around
thought about that and it was around this time in 2004 there was a
this time in 2004 there was a
this time in 2004 there was a competition to get supple to space
competition to get supple to space
competition to get supple to space tourism started and in the winner of
tourism started and in the winner of
tourism started and in the winner of this competition was this airplane this
this competition was this airplane this
this competition was this airplane this craft I can call it that
craft I can call it that
craft I can call it that it’s called spaceship one and the
it’s called spaceship one and the
it’s called spaceship one and the carrier air playing is called white
carrier air playing is called white
carrier air playing is called white night and the reason it won was that so
night and the reason it won was that so
night and the reason it won was that so that the rules of the competition was
that the rules of the competition was
that the rules of the competition was that you had to carry the equivalent
that you had to carry the equivalent
that you had to carry the equivalent weight of three people up 200 kilometers
weight of three people up 200 kilometers
weight of three people up 200 kilometers and then get them back down to earth and
and then get them back down to earth and
and then get them back down to earth and then repeat the process two weeks later
then repeat the process two weeks later
then repeat the process two weeks later and this one it was designed by an
and this one it was designed by an
and this one it was designed by an aircraft designer called Burt Rutan and
aircraft designer called Burt Rutan and
aircraft designer called Burt Rutan and is a legend in the industry here’s the
is a legend in the industry here’s the
is a legend in the industry here’s the reason why it’s different and the reason
reason why it’s different and the reason
reason why it’s different and the reason why it won as far as I can see is by
why it won as far as I can see is by
why it won as far as I can see is by starting higher up and dropping the
starting higher up and dropping the
starting higher up and dropping the rocket so the roughy is underneath but
rocket so the roughy is underneath but
rocket so the roughy is underneath but the main airplane dropping the rocket
the main airplane dropping the rocket
the main airplane dropping the rocket off you are reducing the drag so that
off you are reducing the drag so that
off you are reducing the drag so that helps you to gain speed so if you start
helps you to gain speed so if you start
helps you to gain speed so if you start from the ground you’ve got a fight
from the ground you’ve got a fight
from the ground you’ve got a fight through the thick atmosphere to get up
through the thick atmosphere to get up
through the thick atmosphere to get up to altitude and Burt Rutan who is the
to altitude and Burt Rutan who is the
to altitude and Burt Rutan who is the designer of this this craft he worked
designer of this this craft he worked
designer of this this craft he worked out of his teamwork ties that you need
out of his teamwork ties that you need
out of his teamwork ties that you need two and a half times as much energy or
two and a half times as much energy or
two and a half times as much energy or power to get up to that altitude so it
power to get up to that altitude so it
power to get up to that altitude so it was a big ineffective what I needed
was a big ineffective what I needed
was a big ineffective what I needed twice the size of a rocket motor two and
twice the size of a rocket motor two and
twice the size of a rocket motor two and a half times the size of rocket motor to
a half times the size of rocket motor to
a half times the size of rocket motor to get up to altitude so there’s a few
get up to altitude so there’s a few
get up to altitude so there’s a few other benefits as well that if you’ve
other benefits as well that if you’ve
other benefits as well that if you’ve seen a rocket launching from a ground
seen a rocket launching from a ground
seen a rocket launching from a ground it’s got to slowly get off the ground
it’s got to slowly get off the ground
it’s got to slowly get off the ground and you need to be precisely aiming the
and you need to be precisely aiming the
and you need to be precisely aiming the Rope it so it doesn’t steer into the
Rope it so it doesn’t steer into the
Rope it so it doesn’t steer into the ground if you’re dropping off an
ground if you’re dropping off an
ground if you’re dropping off an aircraft you can avoid that so that got
aircraft you can avoid that so that got
aircraft you can avoid that so that got me thinking a bit more well okay great
me thinking a bit more well okay great
me thinking a bit more well okay great they’ve won this competition they earned
they’ve won this competition they earned
they’ve won this competition they earned a lot of money for themselves but what
a lot of money for themselves but what
a lot of money for themselves but what next and since then there’s been no
next and since then there’s been no
next and since then there’s been no suborbital there’s been no space tourism
suborbital there’s been no space tourism
suborbital there’s been no space tourism flights in fact unfortunately people
flights in fact unfortunately people
flights in fact unfortunately people have lost their lives trying to build up
have lost their lives trying to build up
have lost their lives trying to build up Virgin Galactic so this was then brought
Virgin Galactic so this was then brought
Virgin Galactic so this was then brought on by by Richard Branson and Virgin
on by by Richard Branson and Virgin
on by by Richard Branson and Virgin Galactic and there’s been lots of delays
Galactic and there’s been lots of delays
Galactic and there’s been lots of delays and all of this is happening in the u.s.
and all of this is happening in the u.s.
and all of this is happening in the u.s. none of it is happening in the UK so
none of it is happening in the UK so
none of it is happening in the UK so this is another launcher that this is
this is another launcher that this is
this is another launcher that this is the largest airplane in the world not
the largest airplane in the world not
the largest airplane in the world not including the hybrid Avett air vehicle
including the hybrid Avett air vehicle
including the hybrid Avett air vehicle but as you can see compared to the
but as you can see compared to the
but as you can see compared to the people on the ground this is this is
people on the ground this is this is
people on the ground this is this is enormous it’s got six engines and it’s
enormous it’s got six engines and it’s
enormous it’s got six engines and it’s just the biggest thing ever and the idea
just the biggest thing ever and the idea
just the biggest thing ever and the idea is that you can put a rocket in the
is that you can put a rocket in the
is that you can put a rocket in the middle and then you can drop the rocket
middle and then you can drop the rocket
middle and then you can drop the rocket off so even the big guys the
off so even the big guys the
off so even the big guys the billionaire’s have realized that there
billionaire’s have realized that there
billionaire’s have realized that there is an advantage of starting launching
is an advantage of starting launching
is an advantage of starting launching from high right what I want to do is the
from high right what I want to do is the
from high right what I want to do is the exact opposite of that
exact opposite of that
exact opposite of that so this is a an amateur built
so this is a an amateur built
so this is a an amateur built radio-controlled plane they launch it
radio-controlled plane they launch it
radio-controlled plane they launch it from airfields around the country grass
from airfields around the country grass
from airfields around the country grass to air strips this is rather bigger than
to air strips this is rather bigger than
to air strips this is rather bigger than normal
normal
normal radio-controlled planes the advantage of
radio-controlled planes the advantage of
radio-controlled planes the advantage of them using an unmanned playing a
them using an unmanned playing a
them using an unmanned playing a radio-controlled plane is that you don’t
radio-controlled plane is that you don’t
radio-controlled plane is that you don’t you can keep people away from it so
you can keep people away from it so
you can keep people away from it so there’s nobody at risk if you’re
there’s nobody at risk if you’re
there’s nobody at risk if you’re dropping a rocket off fact there’s
dropping a rocket off fact there’s
dropping a rocket off fact there’s nobody nearby nobody’s going to get hurt
nobody nearby nobody’s going to get hurt
nobody nearby nobody’s going to get hurt and you can fly the plane out to sea so
and you can fly the plane out to sea so
and you can fly the plane out to sea so you’re keeping away you keeping the
you’re keeping away you keeping the
you’re keeping away you keeping the risks right down you’ve also got the
risks right down you’ve also got the
risks right down you’ve also got the benefits you don’t need the fight the
benefits you don’t need the fight the
benefits you don’t need the fight the cost of the flight is pretty low II just
cost of the flight is pretty low II just
cost of the flight is pretty low II just need some fuel and somebody to go fly it
need some fuel and somebody to go fly it
need some fuel and somebody to go fly it and off you go
and off you go
and off you go so this was the idea to take off from
so this was the idea to take off from
so this was the idea to take off from land fly out to sea go up as enough to
land fly out to sea go up as enough to
land fly out to sea go up as enough to choose as far as you can go then you top
choose as far as you can go then you top
choose as far as you can go then you top the rocket off and then you fly the
the rocket off and then you fly the
the rocket off and then you fly the aircraft back down to where you came
aircraft back down to where you came
aircraft back down to where you came from and you land it and off you go
from and you land it and off you go
from and you land it and off you go so I want to do the same sort of thing
so I want to do the same sort of thing
so I want to do the same sort of thing but on a significantly smaller scale to
but on a significantly smaller scale to
but on a significantly smaller scale to keep the costs right there
keep the costs right there
keep the costs right there we’ve had a lot of help from the Welsh
we’ve had a lot of help from the Welsh
we’ve had a lot of help from the Welsh government and they found us a place to
government and they found us a place to
government and they found us a place to do a static test so static test is when
do a static test so static test is when
do a static test so static test is when you do anything a rocket you’ve got to
you do anything a rocket you’ve got to
you do anything a rocket you’ve got to start by testing everything on the
start by testing everything on the
start by testing everything on the ground and you do a static test site so
ground and you do a static test site so
ground and you do a static test site so the place that we’ve got in Wales is in
the place that we’ve got in Wales is in
the place that we’ve got in Wales is in the middle of two valleys there’s no way
the middle of two valleys there’s no way
the middle of two valleys there’s no way that anyone will get hurt there’s a
that anyone will get hurt there’s a
that anyone will get hurt there’s a Secours or an area and they’ve also
Secours or an area and they’ve also
Secours or an area and they’ve also found us a place to smooth that snow
found us a place to smooth that snow
found us a place to smooth that snow down yet Aerospace Center where we can
down yet Aerospace Center where we can
down yet Aerospace Center where we can do test flights we can start by doing
do test flights we can start by doing
do test flights we can start by doing just doing test flights not not no more
just doing test flights not not no more
just doing test flights not not no more get to start with so we fly practice
get to start with so we fly practice
get to start with so we fly practice everything come back land then we put
everything come back land then we put
everything come back land then we put Rockets on and we slowly build up so
Rockets on and we slowly build up so
Rockets on and we slowly build up so we’re keeping the spend right down the
we’re keeping the spend right down the
we’re keeping the spend right down the engineering costs are very low but
engineering costs are very low but
engineering costs are very low but nevertheless we’re getting something
nevertheless we’re getting something
nevertheless we’re getting something into the air so without the help from
into the air so without the help from
into the air so without the help from the Welsh Government we could not get at
the Welsh Government we could not get at
the Welsh Government we could not get at what the launch license there’s a whole
what the launch license there’s a whole
what the launch license there’s a whole load of bureaucracy that would slow us
load of bureaucracy that would slow us
load of bureaucracy that would slow us down
down
down if one problem is that I haven’t yet got
if one problem is that I haven’t yet got
if one problem is that I haven’t yet got permission for my wife so this is a fier
permission for my wife so this is a fier
permission for my wife so this is a fier script and as you can see you go back
script and as you can see you go back
script and as you can see you go back the airstrip and then you come off the
the airstrip and then you come off the
the airstrip and then you come off the end and you’re flying over the sea
end and you’re flying over the sea
end and you’re flying over the sea already I then came across another
already I then came across another
already I then came across another project this is actually a massive
project this is actually a massive
project this is actually a massive project where they looked at the idea of
project where they looked at the idea of
project where they looked at the idea of putting a glider behind a tow plane and
putting a glider behind a tow plane and
putting a glider behind a tow plane and the advantage of that is that you’ve got
the advantage of that is that you’ve got
the advantage of that is that you’ve got in effect you can spit up the design to
in effect you can spit up the design to
in effect you can spit up the design to you designed the toe pages of holy pop
you designed the toe pages of holy pop
you designed the toe pages of holy pop the shelter sort of device and then you
the shelter sort of device and then you
the shelter sort of device and then you have the glider and that’s carrying the
have the glider and that’s carrying the
have the glider and that’s carrying the rocket so that seemed a good idea I
rocket so that seemed a good idea I
rocket so that seemed a good idea I developed a little bit further so this
developed a little bit further so this
developed a little bit further so this is a picture of someone with a giant
is a picture of someone with a giant
is a picture of someone with a giant scale weight control plane so you can
scale weight control plane so you can
scale weight control plane so you can see that people can make
see that people can make
see that people can make radio-controlled planes pretty large
radio-controlled planes pretty large
radio-controlled planes pretty large size and movie big enough to tow up a
size and movie big enough to tow up a
size and movie big enough to tow up a fairly substantial glider to go in
fairly substantial glider to go in
fairly substantial glider to go in rocket
rocket
rocket you can see that claim that you can
you can see that claim that you can
you can see that claim that you can actually and you should put a small
actually and you should put a small
actually and you should put a small child in that but I recommend it’s a
child in that but I recommend it’s a
child in that but I recommend it’s a game on the Internet no do not put a
game on the Internet no do not put a
game on the Internet no do not put a small child in my plane but it shows
small child in my plane but it shows
small child in my plane but it shows that it’s all it all seems possible
that it’s all it all seems possible
that it’s all it all seems possible there’s no reason why it couldn’t be
there’s no reason why it couldn’t be
there’s no reason why it couldn’t be done and yet nobody’s done it yet so
done and yet nobody’s done it yet so
done and yet nobody’s done it yet so this is a chance for Britain to do
this is a chance for Britain to do
this is a chance for Britain to do something a little bit different but
something a little bit different but
something a little bit different but it’s a good chance to do that
it’s a good chance to do that
it’s a good chance to do that so we’ve done some simulation on what we
so we’ve done some simulation on what we
so we’ve done some simulation on what we think that the how how the rocket would
think that the how how the rocket would
think that the how how the rocket would fly up to altitude so the way we’re
fly up to altitude so the way we’re
fly up to altitude so the way we’re thinking is that we start we drop the
thinking is that we start we drop the
thinking is that we start we drop the rocket off the aircraft and five
rocket off the aircraft and five
rocket off the aircraft and five kilometers altitude which is actually
kilometers altitude which is actually
kilometers altitude which is actually not that high so it’s about half the
not that high so it’s about half the
not that high so it’s about half the altitude that’s a jet airliner with
altitude that’s a jet airliner with
altitude that’s a jet airliner with quiet so then mulches drops the rocket
quiet so then mulches drops the rocket
quiet so then mulches drops the rocket off it will then fire the booster and
off it will then fire the booster and
off it will then fire the booster and the booster will accelerate the rocket
the booster will accelerate the rocket
the booster will accelerate the rocket up to near the speed of sound but
up to near the speed of sound but
up to near the speed of sound but keeping below the speed of sound so
keeping below the speed of sound so
keeping below the speed of sound so that’s about the speed that an airline
that’s about the speed that an airline
that’s about the speed that an airline that flies act except the look it will
that flies act except the look it will
that flies act except the look it will be flying vertically and then it will
be flying vertically and then it will
be flying vertically and then it will drop off the booster it then goes to a
drop off the booster it then goes to a
drop off the booster it then goes to a sustainer which is another type of motor
sustainer which is another type of motor
sustainer which is another type of motor and that does not have so much power but
and that does not have so much power but
and that does not have so much power but if the idea is it burns for a long time
if the idea is it burns for a long time
if the idea is it burns for a long time so that the rocket slowly finds up to
so that the rocket slowly finds up to
so that the rocket slowly finds up to altitude and then you go to the final
altitude and then you go to the final
altitude and then you go to the final stage and this is roughly the size of
stage and this is roughly the size of
stage and this is roughly the size of the final stage so it’s a fairly you
the final stage so it’s a fairly you
the final stage so it’s a fairly you know the whole thing could fit in a car
know the whole thing could fit in a car
know the whole thing could fit in a car or a small van and the final stage will
or a small van and the final stage will
or a small van and the final stage will accelerate very quickly up to twice the
accelerate very quickly up to twice the
accelerate very quickly up to twice the speed of sound and then it will drift a
speed of sound and then it will drift a
speed of sound and then it will drift a little cruise up to an altitude of 50
little cruise up to an altitude of 50
little cruise up to an altitude of 50 kilometers and then the whole thing will
kilometers and then the whole thing will
kilometers and then the whole thing will come back down again parachutes and then
come back down again parachutes and then
come back down again parachutes and then it will land so that might not seem that
it will land so that might not seem that
it will land so that might not seem that greater achievement compared to some of
greater achievement compared to some of
greater achievement compared to some of the American
the American
the American launches but the thing is it’s done from
launches but the thing is it’s done from
launches but the thing is it’s done from the UK and then schoolchildren can see
the UK and then schoolchildren can see
the UK and then schoolchildren can see they can get involved in a British
they can get involved in a British
they can get involved in a British project rather than seeing some distance
project rather than seeing some distance
project rather than seeing some distance American project so I was going to
American project so I was going to
American project so I was going to finish off with them
finish off with them
finish off with them thinking about what do schoolchildren
thinking about what do schoolchildren
thinking about what do schoolchildren really want to see I was involved in a
really want to see I was involved in a
really want to see I was involved in a an amateur satellite it’s called funky
an amateur satellite it’s called funky
an amateur satellite it’s called funky as we talked about at the start and this
as we talked about at the start and this
as we talked about at the start and this has been this satellite has been heard
has been this satellite has been heard
has been this satellite has been heard by many thousands of school children
by many thousands of school children
by many thousands of school children around the world but I think that school
around the world but I think that school
around the world but I think that school children are not that interested in
children are not that interested in
children are not that interested in hearing satellites it’s great for a day
hearing satellites it’s great for a day
hearing satellites it’s great for a day out but what they really want to see is
out but what they really want to see is
out but what they really want to see is go to a rocket launch and that that
go to a rocket launch and that that
go to a rocket launch and that that would really fire up their imagination
would really fire up their imagination
would really fire up their imagination and that could lead us to the next
and that could lead us to the next
and that could lead us to the next generation of high-tech companies any
generation of high-tech companies any
generation of high-tech companies any questions
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