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Gender in Design | Dr. Naveen Bagalkot | TEDxMSRIT


I’m a researcher and a faculty member at

I’m a researcher and a faculty member at sixteen stood of our design and

sixteen stood of our design and

sixteen stood of our design and technology in your Lanka and I do lead a

technology in your Lanka and I do lead a

technology in your Lanka and I do lead a program called as human centered design

program called as human centered design

program called as human centered design for masters which is exploring

for masters which is exploring

for masters which is exploring interaction design and design of digital

interaction design and design of digital

interaction design and design of digital tools and technologies but today I will

tools and technologies but today I will

tools and technologies but today I will be talking about how design limits the

be talking about how design limits the

be talking about how design limits the limits of design through the case of you

limits of design through the case of you

limits of design through the case of you know self quantification and sexual and

know self quantification and sexual and

know self quantification and sexual and reproductive health because that’s one

reproductive health because that’s one

reproductive health because that’s one of my areas of work so design is

of my areas of work so design is

of my areas of work so design is basically a Herbert Simon defined design

basically a Herbert Simon defined design

basically a Herbert Simon defined design as as a tool or an error as a method

as as a tool or an error as a method

as as a tool or an error as a method that you can use to move from current

that you can use to move from current

that you can use to move from current state to a preferred State right as a

state to a preferred State right as a

state to a preferred State right as a means to an end and these days Design

means to an end and these days Design

means to an end and these days Design Thinking is everywhere you have a

Thinking is everywhere you have a

Thinking is everywhere you have a complex problem through design thinking

complex problem through design thinking

complex problem through design thinking at it or through some designers at it

at it or through some designers at it

at it or through some designers at it it’ll be solved like that so that seems

it’ll be solved like that so that seems

it’ll be solved like that so that seems to be that seems to be the ideal

to be that seems to be the ideal

to be that seems to be the ideal everywhere that I see and when I say

everywhere that I see and when I say

everywhere that I see and when I say design I I mean engineering design

design I I mean engineering design

design I I mean engineering design technology design creative design all of

technology design creative design all of

technology design creative design all of it together you know I mixed them all in

it together you know I mixed them all in

it together you know I mixed them all in one packet but let’s see let’s try to

one packet but let’s see let’s try to

one packet but let’s see let’s try to unpack how design limits so the idea the

unpack how design limits so the idea the

unpack how design limits so the idea the central idea that are going to talk

central idea that are going to talk

central idea that are going to talk about is it that design creates more

about is it that design creates more

about is it that design creates more problem that it can solve ever you know

problem that it can solve ever you know

problem that it can solve ever you know design is considered to be a creative

design is considered to be a creative

design is considered to be a creative problem-solving methodology but it

problem-solving methodology but it

problem-solving methodology but it creates more problem in most cases what

creates more problem in most cases what

creates more problem in most cases what are the problems it creates that that

are the problems it creates that that

are the problems it creates that that designers never think about is that

designers never think about is that

designers never think about is that design disciplines right it excludes and

design disciplines right it excludes and

design disciplines right it excludes and it usually in most cases perpetuates

it usually in most cases perpetuates

it usually in most cases perpetuates status quo harmful status goes right so

you all have fitbit’s right I don’t use

you all have fitbit’s right I don’t use one but I’m sure many quite a few of you

one but I’m sure many quite a few of you

one but I’m sure many quite a few of you use Fitbit so know what is a Fitbit

use Fitbit so know what is a Fitbit

use Fitbit so know what is a Fitbit these are these devices that you wear

these are these devices that you wear

these are these devices that you wear and it has a pedometer and you can track

and it has a pedometer and you can track

and it has a pedometer and you can track how fast or how many calories you’re

how fast or how many calories you’re

how fast or how many calories you’re burning and stuff like that

burning and stuff like that

burning and stuff like that this is an advertisement for one one

this is an advertisement for one one

this is an advertisement for one one such devices I can’t read the name I

such devices I can’t read the name I

such devices I can’t read the name I think it’s my fitness tracker or

think it’s my fitness tracker or

think it’s my fitness tracker or something but you wear and then it

something but you wear and then it

something but you wear and then it measures your calories burnt and and all

measures your calories burnt and and all

measures your calories burnt and and all that all that healthy it makes you be

that all that healthy it makes you be

that all that healthy it makes you be fit right it supports you to be fit and

fit right it supports you to be fit and

fit right it supports you to be fit and healthy so what’s wrong with this what’s

healthy so what’s wrong with this what’s

healthy so what’s wrong with this what’s wrong with this image right do you know

wrong with this image right do you know

wrong with this image right do you know this image this ad was put in London

this image this ad was put in London

this image this ad was put in London Metro and it was banned because of the

Metro and it was banned because of the

Metro and it was banned because of the harmful body images that it portrays for

harmful body images that it portrays for

harmful body images that it portrays for teenage young girls because they were

teenage young girls because they were

teenage young girls because they were forced to have a beach ready body which

forced to have a beach ready body which

forced to have a beach ready body which means that they have to have tie gaps

means that they have to have tie gaps

means that they have to have tie gaps and whatnot and whatnot right so isn’t

and whatnot and whatnot right so isn’t

and whatnot and whatnot right so isn’t it the same no don’t just look at the

it the same no don’t just look at the

it the same no don’t just look at the replacement at what it is telling you

replacement at what it is telling you

replacement at what it is telling you when you’re using that device it’s

when you’re using that device it’s

when you’re using that device it’s telling you and Fitbit I think has a

telling you and Fitbit I think has a

telling you and Fitbit I think has a tagline if I’m not right it says that

tagline if I’m not right it says that

tagline if I’m not right it says that this will be the better you be a better

this will be the better you be a better

this will be the better you be a better you or something of that or a fitter you

you or something of that or a fitter you

you or something of that or a fitter you so it’s telling you that there’s only

so it’s telling you that there’s only

so it’s telling you that there’s only one body type allowed to live right if

one body type allowed to live right if

one body type allowed to live right if there’s only one kind of fitness there’s

there’s only one kind of fitness there’s

there’s only one kind of fitness there’s only one kind of you know being a life

only one kind of you know being a life

only one kind of you know being a life and that’s probably right so this is

and that’s probably right so this is

and that’s probably right so this is what design does when design is not

what design does when design is not

what design does when design is not thought through right so design

thought through right so design

thought through right so design disciplines design disciplines bodies

disciplines design disciplines bodies

disciplines design disciplines bodies and design disciplines lives what are

and design disciplines lives what are

and design disciplines lives what are the limits of such thinking is you have

the limits of such thinking is you have

the limits of such thinking is you have this this is not a joke

this this is not a joke

this this is not a joke it’s an actual product you can buy it’s

it’s an actual product you can buy it’s

it’s an actual product you can buy it’s illegal in India because sex toys are

illegal in India because sex toys are

illegal in India because sex toys are illegal in India but you could if you’re

illegal in India but you could if you’re

illegal in India but you could if you’re in the UK you can buy this it’s a

in the UK you can buy this it’s a

in the UK you can buy this it’s a pedometer for your penis right great

pedometer for your penis right great

pedometer for your penis right great right so you know you want to measure

right so you know you want to measure

right so you know you want to measure your sexual performance talking about it

your sexual performance talking about it

your sexual performance talking about it wear a pedometer have fun but most

wear a pedometer have fun but most

wear a pedometer have fun but most likely it’ll be just you not your

likely it’ll be just you not your

likely it’ll be just you not your partner

so now I wonder you know I I move about

so now I wonder you know I I move about and we all have seen this and this is an

and we all have seen this and this is an

and we all have seen this and this is an image taken from Hindu and there’s an

image taken from Hindu and there’s an

image taken from Hindu and there’s an article about this about how in urban

article about this about how in urban

article about this about how in urban India and rural India that these lot of

India and rural India that these lot of

India and rural India that these lot of these unhealthy practices about sexual

these unhealthy practices about sexual

these unhealthy practices about sexual health

health

health swapna dose which is you know night

swapna dose which is you know night

swapna dose which is you know night falls is considered to be a bad thing

falls is considered to be a bad thing

falls is considered to be a bad thing for you and then come to me pay me and

for you and then come to me pay me and

for you and then come to me pay me and I’ll give you some herbs and you can get

I’ll give you some herbs and you can get

I’ll give you some herbs and you can get rid of it which is a natural phenomena

rid of it which is a natural phenomena

rid of it which is a natural phenomena right so do you see any difference

right so do you see any difference

right so do you see any difference between this and this no they both

between this and this no they both

between this and this no they both perpetuate harmful myths about sex and

perpetuate harmful myths about sex and

perpetuate harmful myths about sex and sexual performance and sexual health

sexual performance and sexual health

sexual performance and sexual health right so design again disciplines but

right so design again disciplines but

right so design again disciplines but it’s also excludes because this is

it’s also excludes because this is

it’s also excludes because this is obviously design by men for men right

obviously design by men for men right

obviously design by men for men right reducing sexual performance to

reducing sexual performance to

reducing sexual performance to parameters or thirsts and that’s just

parameters or thirsts and that’s just

parameters or thirsts and that’s just just the main conceptualization of what

just the main conceptualization of what

just the main conceptualization of what sexual pleasure is and only for men

sexual pleasure is and only for men

sexual pleasure is and only for men right so this is designed by men for men

right so this is designed by men for men

right so this is designed by men for men now let’s look at what happens when

now let’s look at what happens when

now let’s look at what happens when design men design products for women

design men design products for women

design men design products for women it’s going to be a disaster

it’s going to be a disaster

it’s going to be a disaster so again taking so and that to menstrual

so again taking so and that to menstrual

so again taking so and that to menstrual and reparatory of health products right

and reparatory of health products right

and reparatory of health products right apps for tracking periods and forget

apps for tracking periods and forget

apps for tracking periods and forget about so the first and this is a great

about so the first and this is a great

about so the first and this is a great article in Atlantic about how self

article in Atlantic about how self

article in Atlantic about how self tracking apps exclude them and it should

tracking apps exclude them and it should

tracking apps exclude them and it should take a look at this

take a look at this

take a look at this but it’s amazing so right from the

but it’s amazing so right from the

but it’s amazing so right from the layers of visual design pink women

layers of visual design pink women

layers of visual design pink women listen in something let’s throw in some

listen in something let’s throw in some

listen in something let’s throw in some flowers you know make it appealing to

flowers you know make it appealing to

flowers you know make it appealing to them right but but if you dig a big

them right but but if you dig a big

them right but but if you dig a big layer deeper it’s amazing so they are

layer deeper it’s amazing so they are

layer deeper it’s amazing so they are they are helping women to track these

they are helping women to track these

they are helping women to track these and sending messages to their husbands

and sending messages to their husbands

and sending messages to their husbands or their partners right why why are they

or their partners right why why are they

or their partners right why why are they enabling a female body you know which is

enabling a female body you know which is

enabling a female body you know which is kind of bound and owned by a female

kind of bound and owned by a female

kind of bound and owned by a female access to him men about it right again

access to him men about it right again

access to him men about it right again design in this way disciplines gives the

design in this way disciplines gives the

design in this way disciplines gives the control to more powerful people than the

control to more powerful people than the

control to more powerful people than the marginalized and it excludes right

marginalized and it excludes right

marginalized and it excludes right women have been tracking menstrual

women have been tracking menstrual

women have been tracking menstrual cycles over the decades and ages before

cycles over the decades and ages before

cycles over the decades and ages before apps came right have these designers to

apps came right have these designers to

apps came right have these designers to read these studies these practices I

read these studies these practices I

read these studies these practices I don’t think so so design in that sense

don’t think so so design in that sense

don’t think so so design in that sense also excludes you know so let’s look at

also excludes you know so let’s look at

also excludes you know so let’s look at what would happen if a woman is part of

what would happen if a woman is part of

what would happen if a woman is part of a team that or leads a team that designs

a team that or leads a team that designs

a team that or leads a team that designs you know something about reproductive

you know something about reproductive

you know something about reproductive health product so this is a very

health product so this is a very

health product so this is a very interesting product in the Silicon

interesting product in the Silicon

interesting product in the Silicon Valley called as my dot flow and the

Valley called as my dot flow and the

Valley called as my dot flow and the website is track my flow so this is a

website is track my flow so this is a

website is track my flow so this is a product in in the u.s. they use tampons

product in in the u.s. they use tampons

product in in the u.s. they use tampons right

right

right how many men you know what’s a tampon

how many men you know what’s a tampon

how many men you know what’s a tampon super do you know why Indian women don’t

super do you know why Indian women don’t

super do you know why Indian women don’t wear tampon and prefer the pads

wear tampon and prefer the pads

wear tampon and prefer the pads no because virginity a you have to be

no because virginity a you have to be

no because virginity a you have to be virgin because if you insert a time time

virgin because if you insert a time time

virgin because if you insert a time time moon your hymen will be most likely be

moon your hymen will be most likely be

moon your hymen will be most likely be broken right so this is a product in in

broken right so this is a product in in

broken right so this is a product in in the US and it has a smart sensor that

the US and it has a smart sensor that

the US and it has a smart sensor that this woman scientists developed

this woman scientists developed

this woman scientists developed she’s now productizing it which detects

she’s now productizing it which detects

she’s now productizing it which detects when the tampon is filled up so that you

when the tampon is filled up so that you

when the tampon is filled up so that you can change it it sends an alarm to your

can change it it sends an alarm to your

can change it it sends an alarm to your smartphone if there’s an app and you can

smartphone if there’s an app and you can

smartphone if there’s an app and you can it gives you details about when to

it gives you details about when to

it gives you details about when to change it’s like time to change or you

change it’s like time to change or you

change it’s like time to change or you have to change in the next 15 minutes so

have to change in the next 15 minutes so

have to change in the next 15 minutes so women can change the tampons it’s great

women can change the tampons it’s great

women can change the tampons it’s great also because they have done a lot of

also because they have done a lot of

also because they have done a lot of research there talked to women and have

research there talked to women and have

research there talked to women and have you know kind of worked with them and

you know kind of worked with them and

you know kind of worked with them and produced this because thank one should

produced this because thank one should

produced this because thank one should not be left for longer inside the vagina

not be left for longer inside the vagina

not be left for longer inside the vagina because it creates infection right but

because it creates infection right but

because it creates infection right but one of the key things they all talk

one of the key things they all talk

one of the key things they all talk about in the video especially and when

about in the video especially and when

about in the video especially and when you look at the research is that one of

you look at the research is that one of

you look at the research is that one of the key fears that they’re trying to

the key fears that they’re trying to

the key fears that they’re trying to address is the fear of the stain sub the

address is the fear of the stain sub the

address is the fear of the stain sub the gotcha

gotcha

gotcha menstruation get out bill Cullen eh-eh

menstruation get out bill Cullen eh-eh

menstruation get out bill Cullen eh-eh and not to be seen there bad right so

and not to be seen there bad right so

and not to be seen there bad right so despite great care despite human

despite great care despite human

despite great care despite human centered approaches despite working with

centered approaches despite working with

centered approaches despite working with women despite led by a woman design also

women despite led by a woman design also

women despite led by a woman design also perpetuates status quo right

perpetuates status quo right

perpetuates status quo right they don’t inquire into why is that

they don’t inquire into why is that

they don’t inquire into why is that stain so bad why is it so stressful for

stain so bad why is it so stressful for

stain so bad why is it so stressful for women it’s not the mistake of women mind

women it’s not the mistake of women mind

women it’s not the mistake of women mind you but it’s a society how many you know

you but it’s a society how many you know

you but it’s a society how many you know women here have been terrified by the

women here have been terrified by the

women here have been terrified by the teasing in schools when your skirt got

teasing in schools when your skirt got

teasing in schools when your skirt got red right so this is something that you

red right so this is something that you

red right so this is something that you know design as a product as a system

know design as a product as a system

know design as a product as a system never never engages and that is why I

never never engages and that is why I

never never engages and that is why I believe that design actually perpetuates

believe that design actually perpetuates

believe that design actually perpetuates status quo right let’s take a look at

status quo right let’s take a look at

status quo right let’s take a look at what happens when design is done

what happens when design is done

what happens when design is done differently so I call it as designing

differently so I call it as designing

differently so I call it as designing with the stress on ing

with the stress on ing

with the stress on ing which means that design is never

which means that design is never

which means that design is never complete you know and it doesn’t matter

complete you know and it doesn’t matter

complete you know and it doesn’t matter who designs who’s the designer it’s

who designs who’s the designer it’s

who designs who’s the designer it’s never complete it’s a continuous process

never complete it’s a continuous process

never complete it’s a continuous process when you look at that let’s see what

when you look at that let’s see what

when you look at that let’s see what happens okay so this is a phenomenal

happens okay so this is a phenomenal

happens okay so this is a phenomenal work by an organization in the airport

work by an organization in the airport

work by an organization in the airport called as Jensen sand or talk it was

called as Jensen sand or talk it was

called as Jensen sand or talk it was started by a very good friend who has

started by a very good friend who has

started by a very good friend who has now become a very good friend

now become a very good friend

now become a very good friend called as Lakshmi Murthy who is a design

called as Lakshmi Murthy who is a design

called as Lakshmi Murthy who is a design graduate from NID and she has been

graduate from NID and she has been

graduate from NID and she has been working in rural with a poor for 25

working in rural with a poor for 25

working in rural with a poor for 25 years Counting and her main focus has

years Counting and her main focus has

years Counting and her main focus has been to develop tools and training to

been to develop tools and training to

been to develop tools and training to empower a descent goals and boys in

empower a descent goals and boys in

empower a descent goals and boys in rural with a poor around sexual and

rural with a poor around sexual and

rural with a poor around sexual and reproductive health rights

reproductive health rights

reproductive health rights so those baseless that you see are

so those baseless that you see are

so those baseless that you see are basically self quantifying bracelets but

basically self quantifying bracelets but

basically self quantifying bracelets but the way that it is made and borne is a

the way that it is made and borne is a

the way that it is made and borne is a group of adolescent girls are all made

group of adolescent girls are all made

group of adolescent girls are all made sit around you know and they have these

sit around you know and they have these

sit around you know and they have these beads yellow and red beads each one

beads yellow and red beads each one

beads yellow and red beads each one confesses how many days do they

confesses how many days do they

confesses how many days do they menstruate and what are the gaps between

menstruate and what are the gaps between

menstruate and what are the gaps between those days right so they discuss about

those days right so they discuss about

those days right so they discuss about openly about that menstrual cycle and

openly about that menstrual cycle and

openly about that menstrual cycle and they pick up the red beads for the

they pick up the red beads for the

they pick up the red beads for the number of days they menstruate and the

number of days they menstruate and the

number of days they menstruate and the yellow beads for the periods in between

yellow beads for the periods in between

yellow beads for the periods in between and make their own bands and bare it

and make their own bands and bare it

and make their own bands and bare it now the making of the band is just one

now the making of the band is just one

now the making of the band is just one more excuse to talk about this openly

more excuse to talk about this openly

more excuse to talk about this openly and mind you these are the communities

and mind you these are the communities

and mind you these are the communities where women are girls are married and

where women are girls are married and

where women are girls are married and girls and boys are married at the age of

girls and boys are married at the age of

girls and boys are married at the age of four five eight ten ten marriages

four five eight ten ten marriages

four five eight ten ten marriages rampant right these are tribal

rampant right these are tribal

rampant right these are tribal communities marginalized communities in

communities marginalized communities in

communities marginalized communities in the hills of around oh they both

the hills of around oh they both

the hills of around oh they both recently they’re also lakshmi has

recently they’re also lakshmi has

recently they’re also lakshmi has started making what is called as a gear

started making what is called as a gear

started making what is called as a gear baits or pads who care in in in my body

baits or pads who care in in in my body

baits or pads who care in in in my body is rising okay so these are cotton patch

is rising okay so these are cotton patch

is rising okay so these are cotton patch because what has happened is that the

because what has happened is that the

because what has happened is that the sanitary napkins have been invading the

sanitary napkins have been invading the

sanitary napkins have been invading the villages and these are very harmful for

villages and these are very harmful for

villages and these are very harmful for many reasons especially in rural parts

many reasons especially in rural parts

many reasons especially in rural parts because these girls don’t have money to

because these girls don’t have money to

because these girls don’t have money to buy this or they’re very very shy to ask

buy this or they’re very very shy to ask

buy this or they’re very very shy to ask for money so they buy one pad and they

for money so they buy one pad and they

for money so they buy one pad and they use it for long which is very harmful

use it for long which is very harmful

use it for long which is very harmful because it has harmful chemicals this is

because it has harmful chemicals this is

because it has harmful chemicals this is what I bought when I was there I just

what I bought when I was there I just

what I bought when I was there I just came from with I put by the way two

came from with I put by the way two

came from with I put by the way two weeks I’ll tell you what I did there so

weeks I’ll tell you what I did there so

weeks I’ll tell you what I did there so this is the newest form of the pad

this is the newest form of the pad

this is the newest form of the pad so this is how you insert and these are

so this is how you insert and these are

so this is how you insert and these are for these are towels for heavy flows

for these are towels for heavy flows

for these are towels for heavy flows this is the one for regular flows okay

this is the one for regular flows okay

this is the one for regular flows okay so these are the ones for heavy flows

so these are the ones for heavy flows

so these are the ones for heavy flows now guess why this inner lining is white

because as with any excretion of

because as with any excretion of throttle-body you need to be aware of

throttle-body you need to be aware of

throttle-body you need to be aware of what color is it you need to see it so

what color is it you need to see it so

what color is it you need to see it so that you know if it is an infection or

that you know if it is an infection or

that you know if it is an infection or not when my daughter who is now three

not when my daughter who is now three

not when my daughter who is now three years old was you know about you know

years old was you know about you know

years old was you know about you know just born

just born

just born there’s a beautiful database beautiful

there’s a beautiful database beautiful

there’s a beautiful database beautiful if you think it’s beautiful where people

if you think it’s beautiful where people

if you think it’s beautiful where people have contributed their children’s

have contributed their children’s

have contributed their children’s diapers with poop inside that is color

diapers with poop inside that is color

diapers with poop inside that is color coded which tells you if this is a color

coded which tells you if this is a color

coded which tells you if this is a color of the poop then it means that your baby

of the poop then it means that your baby

of the poop then it means that your baby has this like diarrhea cold fever or

has this like diarrhea cold fever or

has this like diarrhea cold fever or healthy it’s all based on color of poop

healthy it’s all based on color of poop

healthy it’s all based on color of poop similarly the color of menstrual

similarly the color of menstrual

similarly the color of menstrual discharge has to be seen so it has to be

discharge has to be seen so it has to be

discharge has to be seen so it has to be white right now

white right now

white right now Lakshmi and Gail foundation have had

Lakshmi and Gail foundation have had

Lakshmi and Gail foundation have had multiple pushback from corporates who

multiple pushback from corporates who

multiple pushback from corporates who buy these for their CSR to make this

buy these for their CSR to make this

buy these for their CSR to make this color dark and she says no way you don’t

color dark and she says no way you don’t

color dark and she says no way you don’t buy it from me but I’m not making this

buy it from me but I’m not making this

buy it from me but I’m not making this dark in any way because it’s not just

dark in any way because it’s not just

dark in any way because it’s not just about make you know kind of packing and

about make you know kind of packing and

about make you know kind of packing and observing but it’s also about you have

observing but it’s also about you have

observing but it’s also about you have to wash these and dry it in the Sun so

to wash these and dry it in the Sun so

to wash these and dry it in the Sun so when you do that it becomes an object

when you do that it becomes an object

when you do that it becomes an object that is out there

that is out there

that is out there visible challenging the status quo about

visible challenging the status quo about

visible challenging the status quo about not talking about menstruation in all

not talking about menstruation in all

not talking about menstruation in all our homes not just in the villages

our homes not just in the villages

our homes not just in the villages villages they talk more openly urban

villages they talk more openly urban

villages they talk more openly urban homes we don’t talk about it so this is

homes we don’t talk about it so this is

homes we don’t talk about it so this is this has evolved over 25 years of work

this has evolved over 25 years of work

this has evolved over 25 years of work with organizations and people right this

with organizations and people right this

with organizations and people right this is not common like that so this is what

is not common like that so this is what

is not common like that so this is what I call as designing now let’s I’ll just

I call as designing now let’s I’ll just

I call as designing now let’s I’ll just show you a couple of examples of what we

show you a couple of examples of what we

show you a couple of examples of what we did every year I take my students there

did every year I take my students there

did every year I take my students there for two weeks the project course is

for two weeks the project course is

for two weeks the project course is called as future of interaction design

called as future of interaction design

called as future of interaction design and I do believe that the feature of

and I do believe that the feature of

and I do believe that the feature of design has to be in such spaces

design has to be in such spaces

design has to be in such spaces rather than in you know creating

rather than in you know creating

rather than in you know creating conceptual products that nobody would

conceptual products that nobody would

conceptual products that nobody would ever use right so this time I took a

ever use right so this time I took a

ever use right so this time I took a group of 15 students and we worked with

group of 15 students and we worked with

group of 15 students and we worked with rural adolescent you know coming from

rural adolescent you know coming from

rural adolescent you know coming from the villages of around with a pool for

the villages of around with a pool for

the villages of around with a pool for five days and five nights and one of the

five days and five nights and one of the

five days and five nights and one of the things that we did is we stitch these

things that we did is we stitch these

things that we did is we stitch these patch by hand

patch by hand

patch by hand you know both boys and girls but there’s

you know both boys and girls but there’s

you know both boys and girls but there’s an image where I have mostly boys but

an image where I have mostly boys but

an image where I have mostly boys but one girl that’s my daughter so I took

one girl that’s my daughter so I took

one girl that’s my daughter so I took her to I usually do and we stitched

her to I usually do and we stitched

her to I usually do and we stitched these bats right

these bats right

these bats right so all these three boys are married and

so all these three boys are married and

so all these three boys are married and they’re 16 years old 17 years old and

they’re 16 years old 17 years old and

they’re 16 years old 17 years old and one is 19 years old they are married

one is 19 years old they are married

one is 19 years old they are married they were engaged when they were two of

they were engaged when they were two of

they were engaged when they were two of four years old and they got married now

four years old and they got married now

four years old and they got married now about a couple of years back and they

about a couple of years back and they

about a couple of years back and they had to fail because they they married so

had to fail because they they married so

had to fail because they they married so they had to drop a year they had to fail

they had to drop a year they had to fail

they had to drop a year they had to fail so education you know and and career it

so education you know and and career it

so education you know and and career it doesn’t matter so much as getting

doesn’t matter so much as getting

doesn’t matter so much as getting married early now they were here sitting

married early now they were here sitting

married early now they were here sitting with my students sitting and whatever

with my students sitting and whatever

with my students sitting and whatever the discussions that happened

the discussions that happened

the discussions that happened what is menstruation why it has to be

what is menstruation why it has to be

what is menstruation why it has to be white who will you give this for so all

white who will you give this for so all

white who will you give this for so all the boys who says their question was I

the boys who says their question was I

the boys who says their question was I also got one nice just one I got it to

also got one nice just one I got it to

also got one nice just one I got it to my wife the question was who will you

my wife the question was who will you

my wife the question was who will you give this wives girlfriend sisters and

give this wives girlfriend sisters and

give this wives girlfriend sisters and how will you talk about this so the

how will you talk about this so the

how will you talk about this so the activity of making a menstrual pad

activity of making a menstrual pad

activity of making a menstrual pad reusable

reusable

reusable through that we could break down

through that we could break down

through that we could break down barriers and talk about menstruation you

barriers and talk about menstruation you

barriers and talk about menstruation you could talk about ecology we could talk

could talk about ecology we could talk

could talk about ecology we could talk about difference between cotton pads and

about difference between cotton pads and

about difference between cotton pads and the cotton linings and sanitary napkins

the cotton linings and sanitary napkins

the cotton linings and sanitary napkins which are plastic we could all do this

which are plastic we could all do this

which are plastic we could all do this by making a pad which is what

by making a pad which is what

by making a pad which is what essentially is design so design is all

essentially is design so design is all

essentially is design so design is all about making so if you can look at

about making so if you can look at

about making so if you can look at design as a method that can bring in

design as a method that can bring in

design as a method that can bring in people and have a conversation rather

people and have a conversation rather

people and have a conversation rather then it is it gets more interesting

then it is it gets more interesting

then it is it gets more interesting let’s watch the video person and I’ll

let’s watch the video person and I’ll

let’s watch the video person and I’ll say what happened terrible the to a

Gami bulu son suna some nodoz who i

Gami bulu son suna some nodoz who i arizona you to be la Sapna heya cabron

arizona you to be la Sapna heya cabron

arizona you to be la Sapna heya cabron he hit Katina Hakim Koba tiny Orca hey

he hit Katina Hakim Koba tiny Orca hey

he hit Katina Hakim Koba tiny Orca hey cow bolta to a cameo you phone the

cow bolta to a cameo you phone the

cow bolta to a cameo you phone the ku-ku-ku-ku rui Seca

ku-ku-ku-ku rui Seca

ku-ku-ku-ku rui Seca Cuchillo Akira camomile ah Loretta Leto

Cuchillo Akira camomile ah Loretta Leto

Cuchillo Akira camomile ah Loretta Leto Berta Baja Nakata Chadi tequila vodka

Berta Baja Nakata Chadi tequila vodka

Berta Baja Nakata Chadi tequila vodka hey so this entire zone those those are

hey so this entire zone those those are

hey so this entire zone those those are my student students so we along with the

my student students so we along with the

my student students so we along with the students wrote this sound together then

students wrote this sound together then

students wrote this sound together then the punchline was mine by the way where

the punchline was mine by the way where

the punchline was mine by the way where I’m a huge fan of 90s music so one of

I’m a huge fan of 90s music so one of

I’m a huge fan of 90s music so one of the key things in villages and in urban

the key things in villages and in urban

the key things in villages and in urban is something called as nightfall

is something called as nightfall

is something called as nightfall and Swapna – it’s called us of mothers

and Swapna – it’s called us of mothers

and Swapna – it’s called us of mothers witches it’s not a Doge it’s not a

witches it’s not a Doge it’s not a

witches it’s not a Doge it’s not a mistake so we were also the what we’re

mistake so we were also the what we’re

mistake so we were also the what we’re exploring is how do we go back to our

exploring is how do we go back to our

exploring is how do we go back to our communities and make these you know

communities and make these you know

communities and make these you know something that can use something that

something that can use something that

something that can use something that can be so we can talk to them you know

can be so we can talk to them you know

can be so we can talk to them you know so this is something that Emmer’s but it

so this is something that Emmer’s but it

so this is something that Emmer’s but it has to work in a larger ecosystem of the

has to work in a larger ecosystem of the

has to work in a larger ecosystem of the organizations and we are working on how

organizations and we are working on how

organizations and we are working on how to take this forward but when things

to take this forward but when things

to take this forward but when things come together when people different kind

come together when people different kind

come together when people different kind of people come together and you are

of people come together and you are

of people come together and you are facilitating it in the right way you

facilitating it in the right way you

facilitating it in the right way you know something emerges so back to my

know something emerges so back to my

know something emerges so back to my premise this is what design thinking is

premise this is what design thinking is

premise this is what design thinking is as a means to an end but I would rather

as a means to an end but I would rather

as a means to an end but I would rather say that designing is more more fruitful

say that designing is more more fruitful

say that designing is more more fruitful more important for the kind of complex

more important for the kind of complex

more important for the kind of complex problems that we are encountering it’s a

problems that we are encountering it’s a

problems that we are encountering it’s a process that never ends and it’s

process that never ends and it’s

process that never ends and it’s something that you have to constantly

something that you have to constantly

something that you have to constantly explore collaboratively you can’t say

explore collaboratively you can’t say

explore collaboratively you can’t say that I’ll design something and everybody

that I’ll design something and everybody

that I’ll design something and everybody will use you have to go back to the

will use you have to go back to the

will use you have to go back to the community work to the community like

community work to the community like

community work to the community like Lakshmi date for 25 years and Delap

Lakshmi date for 25 years and Delap

Lakshmi date for 25 years and Delap something over time so my argument for

something over time so my argument for

something over time so my argument for designing is that it has to be located

designing is that it has to be located

designing is that it has to be located as in with the community and

as in with the community and

as in with the community and collaborative and it has to undersell

collaborative and it has to undersell

collaborative and it has to undersell it has to include and it has to

it has to include and it has to

it has to include and it has to challenge status quo right so we you

challenge status quo right so we you

challenge status quo right so we you know a couple of years back I came

know a couple of years back I came

know a couple of years back I came across this article I think it was in

across this article I think it was in

across this article I think it was in Wired magazine that somebody is arguing

Wired magazine that somebody is arguing

Wired magazine that somebody is arguing that variables need to get under the

that variables need to get under the

that variables need to get under the skin right now my kind of leaving

skin right now my kind of leaving

skin right now my kind of leaving message is if you don’t consider design

message is if you don’t consider design

message is if you don’t consider design as designing then you will be stuck with

as designing then you will be stuck with

as designing then you will be stuck with this thank you

this thank you

this thank you [Applause]

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