[Music] good afternoon everyone and welcome
good afternoon everyone and welcome
good afternoon everyone and welcome you’re here to discuss a very important
you’re here to discuss a very important
you’re here to discuss a very important topic today and that’s the future of
topic today and that’s the future of
topic today and that’s the future of work and we have a catchy title and
work and we have a catchy title and
work and we have a catchy title and that’s whether the future of work is
that’s whether the future of work is
that’s whether the future of work is gonna be worthless or if we’re gonna
gonna be worthless or if we’re gonna
gonna be worthless or if we’re gonna work less I’m Carmen and I’m joined
work less I’m Carmen and I’m joined
work less I’m Carmen and I’m joined today by Nico’s on stage to discuss what
today by Nico’s on stage to discuss what
today by Nico’s on stage to discuss what we really believe is one of the most
we really believe is one of the most
we really believe is one of the most important topics of our days so I want
important topics of our days so I want
important topics of our days so I want to make a disclaimer before we start
to make a disclaimer before we start
to make a disclaimer before we start that we are not experts in employment
that we are not experts in employment
that we are not experts in employment we are not government agents we don’t
we are not government agents we don’t
we are not government agents we don’t know the legalities of it or you know
know the legalities of it or you know
know the legalities of it or you know the regulations what we do know is that
the regulations what we do know is that
the regulations what we do know is that there is a technological revolution
there is a technological revolution
there is a technological revolution that’s going on at the moment and it’s
that’s going on at the moment and it’s
that’s going on at the moment and it’s going to change it’s going to make a lot
going to change it’s going to make a lot
going to change it’s going to make a lot of jobs obsolete and in the very near
of jobs obsolete and in the very near
of jobs obsolete and in the very near future actually and we can just make
future actually and we can just make
future actually and we can just make logical conclusions from accepting that
logical conclusions from accepting that
logical conclusions from accepting that fact that we want to discuss with you
fact that we want to discuss with you
fact that we want to discuss with you today we don’t get a front see that
today we don’t get a front see that
today we don’t get a front see that what’s happening though because both you
what’s happening though because both you
what’s happening though because both you and I every day we we work to automate a
and I every day we we work to automate a
and I every day we we work to automate a few tasks so we kind of understand
few tasks so we kind of understand
few tasks so we kind of understand what’s happening but I think predicting
what’s happening but I think predicting
what’s happening but I think predicting the future is quite difficult because
the future is quite difficult because
the future is quite difficult because we’re at the tipping point we are at the
we’re at the tipping point we are at the
we’re at the tipping point we are at the point where we can create the future in
point where we can create the future in
point where we can create the future in a way so I think the objective for today
a way so I think the objective for today
a way so I think the objective for today would would be to have a constructive
would would be to have a constructive
would would be to have a constructive conversation around how the future of
conversation around how the future of
conversation around how the future of work can look like great and I’d like to
work can look like great and I’d like to
work can look like great and I’d like to just second and that we we get exposed
just second and that we we get exposed
just second and that we we get exposed because we can startups we get exposing
because we can startups we get exposing
because we can startups we get exposing new business models that are being
new business models that are being
new business models that are being enabled by technology and what’s coming
enabled by technology and what’s coming
enabled by technology and what’s coming is going to be a tsunami we have to do
is going to be a tsunami we have to do
is going to be a tsunami we have to do this I think a good way to start is to
this I think a good way to start is to
this I think a good way to start is to ask ourselves why now why should we
ask ourselves why now why should we
ask ourselves why now why should we discuss this now why is it relevant but
discuss this now why is it relevant but
discuss this now why is it relevant but that’s a very good question
that’s a very good question
that’s a very good question actually the this question of let’s say
actually the this question of let’s say
actually the this question of let’s say robert’s taking over our lives and our
robert’s taking over our lives and our
robert’s taking over our lives and our jobs has been around for many many years
jobs has been around for many many years
jobs has been around for many many years I was when I was growing up back in the
I was when I was growing up back in the
I was when I was growing up back in the very distant 80s I remember distinctly a
very distant 80s I remember distinctly a
very distant 80s I remember distinctly a classroom discussion
classroom discussion
classroom discussion where the the the students and the
where the the the students and the
where the the the students and the teacher we’re discussing about this
teacher we’re discussing about this
teacher we’re discussing about this exact topic and and the conclusion made
exact topic and and the conclusion made
exact topic and and the conclusion made then was that okay Robert should make
then was that okay Robert should make
then was that okay Robert should make some things but then somebody has to
some things but then somebody has to
some things but then somebody has to make their Robert so you know society
make their Robert so you know society
make their Robert so you know society would find ways to replace these jobs
would find ways to replace these jobs
would find ways to replace these jobs but right now I think the speed of
but right now I think the speed of
but right now I think the speed of change is so significant that society
change is so significant that society
change is so significant that society will not be able to adapt so quickly
will not be able to adapt so quickly
will not be able to adapt so quickly we’re not going to be able to regenerate
we’re not going to be able to regenerate
we’re not going to be able to regenerate jobs in the in the in the pace that are
jobs in the in the in the pace that are
jobs in the in the in the pace that are gonna be lost and the reason for that is
gonna be lost and the reason for that is
gonna be lost and the reason for that is that we have as Carmen said reach the
that we have as Carmen said reach the
that we have as Carmen said reach the tipping point the processing speeds are
tipping point the processing speeds are
tipping point the processing speeds are are so so fast at the moment and that
are so so fast at the moment and that
are so so fast at the moment and that enables so many different business
enables so many different business
enables so many different business models to come up and you know
models to come up and you know
models to come up and you know entrepreneurs devise them they get a lot
entrepreneurs devise them they get a lot
entrepreneurs devise them they get a lot of funding for this so and there’s
of funding for this so and there’s
of funding for this so and there’s thousands and thousands of businesses
thousands and thousands of businesses
thousands and thousands of businesses that are now being developed that will
that are now being developed that will
that are now being developed that will change the world so what happened
change the world so what happened
change the world so what happened basically the way I’m thinking about
basically the way I’m thinking about
basically the way I’m thinking about this nama trying to simplify right
this nama trying to simplify right
this nama trying to simplify right we started by inventing steam engine
we started by inventing steam engine
we started by inventing steam engine then came assembly lines and came
then came assembly lines and came
then came assembly lines and came electricity then can computerization
electricity then can computerization
electricity then can computerization digitalization platform ization and the
digitalization platform ization and the
digitalization platform ization and the question is where are we now and what’s
question is where are we now and what’s
question is where are we now and what’s next
next
next some people call it the fourth
some people call it the fourth
some people call it the fourth Industrial Revolution some people call
Industrial Revolution some people call
Industrial Revolution some people call it in the 34.0 but I think whatever name
it in the 34.0 but I think whatever name
it in the 34.0 but I think whatever name we’re gonna find for it the most
we’re gonna find for it the most
we’re gonna find for it the most important thing is that’s already
important thing is that’s already
important thing is that’s already impacting work as we know it
impacting work as we know it
impacting work as we know it I think it’s that’s only gonna
I think it’s that’s only gonna
I think it’s that’s only gonna accelerate in the future and by the way
accelerate in the future and by the way
accelerate in the future and by the way I’m think I’m seeing this everywhere
I’m think I’m seeing this everywhere
I’m think I’m seeing this everywhere everywhere we just 3d printed the first
everywhere we just 3d printed the first
everywhere we just 3d printed the first building we we are now producing
building we we are now producing
building we we are now producing choosing in something we call speed
choosing in something we call speed
choosing in something we call speed factories so what that means is that we
factories so what that means is that we
factories so what that means is that we are using robots that in ten minutes are
are using robots that in ten minutes are
are using robots that in ten minutes are able to produce a pair of shoes for me
able to produce a pair of shoes for me
able to produce a pair of shoes for me that’s fully customized so I can choose
that’s fully customized so I can choose
that’s fully customized so I can choose to have a pink line on it if I wanted I
to have a pink line on it if I wanted I
to have a pink line on it if I wanted I thought what about traditional
thought what about traditional
thought what about traditional industries that’s happening as well we
industries that’s happening as well we
industries that’s happening as well we are extracting oil at the moment by
are extracting oil at the moment by
are extracting oil at the moment by controlling it as humans from a control
controlling it as humans from a control
controlling it as humans from a control room while the machines are doing the
room while the machines are doing the
room while the machines are doing the work so it’s
work so it’s
work so it’s everywhere yeah I agree and I want to
everywhere yeah I agree and I want to
everywhere yeah I agree and I want to make a distinction here Carmen and the
make a distinction here Carmen and the
make a distinction here Carmen and the the the difference now is that computers
the the difference now is that computers
the the difference now is that computers are taking over what we do so let’s take
are taking over what we do so let’s take
are taking over what we do so let’s take a car example and and you know we heard
a car example and and you know we heard
a car example and and you know we heard about driverless cars and those of you
about driverless cars and those of you
about driverless cars and those of you who were at the mainstage earlier you
who were at the mainstage earlier you
who were at the mainstage earlier you heard about the future of driverless
heard about the future of driverless
heard about the future of driverless cars but the you know cars replaced
cars but the you know cars replaced
cars but the you know cars replaced carriages as a medium to get us from
carriages as a medium to get us from
carriages as a medium to get us from place a to place B and then maps came up
place a to place B and then maps came up
place a to place B and then maps came up because we need to turn this you know
because we need to turn this you know
because we need to turn this you know know how to get from one place to the
know how to get from one place to the
know how to get from one place to the other and then the maps became digital
other and then the maps became digital
other and then the maps became digital maps and now I have Google Maps and we
maps and now I have Google Maps and we
maps and now I have Google Maps and we have the great feature that you know you
have the great feature that you know you
have the great feature that you know you know you can tell the traffic as well on
know you can tell the traffic as well on
know you can tell the traffic as well on Google Maps so all these are tools there
Google Maps so all these are tools there
Google Maps so all these are tools there are tools that help us get from place a
are tools that help us get from place a
are tools that help us get from place a to place B faster by driving the car but
to place B faster by driving the car but
to place B faster by driving the car but the driverless car is actually replacing
the driverless car is actually replacing
the driverless car is actually replacing us it’s replacing you and me as drivers
us it’s replacing you and me as drivers
us it’s replacing you and me as drivers we want rive cars in the future and you
we want rive cars in the future and you
we want rive cars in the future and you places also everybody who works in
places also everybody who works in
places also everybody who works in transportation from taxi drivers truck
transportation from taxi drivers truck
transportation from taxi drivers truck driving school years and food delivery
driving school years and food delivery
driving school years and food delivery and it’s about cars now but in the
and it’s about cars now but in the
and it’s about cars now but in the future it could be about shapes and
future it could be about shapes and
future it could be about shapes and claims all these people would find
claims all these people would find
claims all these people would find themselves in front of a reality where
themselves in front of a reality where
themselves in front of a reality where the job is not there anymore do you
the job is not there anymore do you
the job is not there anymore do you think this is gonna come to Greece
think this is gonna come to Greece
think this is gonna come to Greece anytime soon yeah that’s an excellent
anytime soon yeah that’s an excellent
anytime soon yeah that’s an excellent question you know I keep hearing this
question you know I keep hearing this
question you know I keep hearing this thing that Greece is so backward that
thing that Greece is so backward that
thing that Greece is so backward that you know things will never come here and
you know things will never come here and
you know things will never come here and actually it’s just yesterday there’s a
actually it’s just yesterday there’s a
actually it’s just yesterday there’s a hundred countries in the world that were
hundred countries in the world that were
hundred countries in the world that were being attacked by a cyber attack and
being attacked by a cyber attack and
being attacked by a cyber attack and Greece was not one of them and you’d
Greece was not one of them and you’d
Greece was not one of them and you’d think of course I mean there’s nothing
think of course I mean there’s nothing
think of course I mean there’s nothing to attack in Greece but the the truth is
to attack in Greece but the the truth is
to attack in Greece but the the truth is that these people that these
that these people that these
that these people that these technologies are being adopted by normal
technologies are being adopted by normal
technologies are being adopted by normal people like you and me and everybody
people like you and me and everybody
people like you and me and everybody else in this room and in that respect
else in this room and in that respect
else in this room and in that respect and we are ahead of the curve we are one
and we are ahead of the curve we are one
and we are ahead of the curve we are one of the fastest countries in adopting new
of the fastest countries in adopting new
of the fastest countries in adopting new technologies and I’m telling you when
technologies and I’m telling you when
technologies and I’m telling you when this business modest start making taking
this business modest start making taking
this business modest start making taking shape elsewhere in the world
shape elsewhere in the world
shape elsewhere in the world they will come to Greece quite fast
they will come to Greece quite fast
they will come to Greece quite fast there’s no way you can escape it I think
there’s no way you can escape it I think
there’s no way you can escape it I think but the human element is also important
but the human element is also important
but the human element is also important we haven’t we haven’t touched on it yet
we haven’t we haven’t touched on it yet
we haven’t we haven’t touched on it yet because people now feel vulnerable they
because people now feel vulnerable they
because people now feel vulnerable they feel left out there’s fear and I think
feel left out there’s fear and I think
feel left out there’s fear and I think it’s only normal to have to have fear
it’s only normal to have to have fear
it’s only normal to have to have fear that’s also because politicians are
that’s also because politicians are
that’s also because politicians are reluctant to go out there and transmit a
reluctant to go out there and transmit a
reluctant to go out there and transmit a message that sounds like the future of
message that sounds like the future of
message that sounds like the future of work is not what you expect so all these
work is not what you expect so all these
work is not what you expect so all these jobs that you think are coming are not
jobs that you think are coming are not
jobs that you think are coming are not going to come actually so it’s very
going to come actually so it’s very
going to come actually so it’s very important to have a frank honest
important to have a frank honest
important to have a frank honest conversation about the lack of
conversation about the lack of
conversation about the lack of preparedness that’s in the world to face
preparedness that’s in the world to face
preparedness that’s in the world to face with this to face this issue and I think
with this to face this issue and I think
with this to face this issue and I think the fact that we as entrepreneurs taking
the fact that we as entrepreneurs taking
the fact that we as entrepreneurs taking that stand it’s a good thing and we hope
that stand it’s a good thing and we hope
that stand it’s a good thing and we hope everyone’s guys is gonna be exposed to
everyone’s guys is gonna be exposed to
everyone’s guys is gonna be exposed to to this and I just want to make another
to this and I just want to make another
to this and I just want to make another point about Greece you know we have 30%
point about Greece you know we have 30%
point about Greece you know we have 30% unemployment already in Greece and we
unemployment already in Greece and we
unemployment already in Greece and we are struggling to get out of this crisis
are struggling to get out of this crisis
are struggling to get out of this crisis with a 30% unemployment and we might see
with a 30% unemployment and we might see
with a 30% unemployment and we might see that we find ourselves the moment we
that we find ourselves the moment we
that we find ourselves the moment we managed to sort of escape in front of
managed to sort of escape in front of
managed to sort of escape in front of this other crisis it’s not going to be
this other crisis it’s not going to be
this other crisis it’s not going to be caused by that but it’s going to be
caused by that but it’s going to be
caused by that but it’s going to be caused by technology so that’s a that’s
caused by technology so that’s a that’s
caused by technology so that’s a that’s a key thought to be had especially if
a key thought to be had especially if
a key thought to be had especially if you’re Greek which is embrace the change
you’re Greek which is embrace the change
you’re Greek which is embrace the change which is embrace it change to you know
which is embrace it change to you know
which is embrace it change to you know for a future otherwise you’re just gonna
for a future otherwise you’re just gonna
for a future otherwise you’re just gonna find yourself from the wrong side of the
find yourself from the wrong side of the
find yourself from the wrong side of the of history basically so what’s this is
of history basically so what’s this is
of history basically so what’s this is what do you think I mean how do you
what do you think I mean how do you
what do you think I mean how do you think this should play out I mean I
think this should play out I mean I
think this should play out I mean I think so far we have said that this is
think so far we have said that this is
think so far we have said that this is coming and it’s coming really fast and
coming and it’s coming really fast and
coming and it’s coming really fast and the region’s coming really fast is
the region’s coming really fast is
the region’s coming really fast is because technology is moving at it has
because technology is moving at it has
because technology is moving at it has enabled a lot of unity business models
enabled a lot of unity business models
enabled a lot of unity business models to be developed and that we’ve said that
to be developed and that we’ve said that
to be developed and that we’ve said that this might lead to mass unemployment but
this might lead to mass unemployment but
this might lead to mass unemployment but you know what will happen let’s talk
you know what will happen let’s talk
you know what will happen let’s talk about some thoughts about what would
about some thoughts about what would
about some thoughts about what would happen
happen
happen the way I’m thinking about this I always
the way I’m thinking about this I always
the way I’m thinking about this I always started with a question what is the
started with a question what is the
started with a question what is the purpose behind all this I think is the
purpose behind all this I think is the
purpose behind all this I think is the right question to start with
right question to start with
right question to start with what is the purpose behind building a
what is the purpose behind building a
what is the purpose behind building a car that can drive from point A to point
car that can drive from point A to point
car that can drive from point A to point B without us humans being involved what
B without us humans being involved what
B without us humans being involved what is the purpose of building an AI that
is the purpose of building an AI that
is the purpose of building an AI that control their 60% of the work that I’m
control their 60% of the work that I’m
control their 60% of the work that I’m currently doing every day what’s the
currently doing every day what’s the
currently doing every day what’s the purpose of that and then to answer these
purpose of that and then to answer these
purpose of that and then to answer these questions I think we have two options
questions I think we have two options
questions I think we have two options one of them are we building this
one of them are we building this
one of them are we building this technology so that we can work even more
technology so that we can work even more
technology so that we can work even more hours for Less pay or are we building
hours for Less pay or are we building
hours for Less pay or are we building this technology so that we can reinvent
this technology so that we can reinvent
this technology so that we can reinvent the way we live and the way we work and
the way we live and the way we work and
the way we live and the way we work and build an alternative future and I would
build an alternative future and I would
build an alternative future and I would argue for the second and I think that’s
argue for the second and I think that’s
argue for the second and I think that’s very important point well actually I
very important point well actually I
very important point well actually I disagree I think these models are being
disagree I think these models are being
disagree I think these models are being developed for people and companies to
developed for people and companies to
developed for people and companies to make more money I mean the main
make more money I mean the main
make more money I mean the main motivation is money absolutely but the
motivation is money absolutely but the
motivation is money absolutely but the fact that we have a model that works
fact that we have a model that works
fact that we have a model that works that opens new opportunities is
that opens new opportunities is
that opens new opportunities is incredibly important to understand so
incredibly important to understand so
incredibly important to understand so the fact we have now four billion people
the fact we have now four billion people
the fact we have now four billion people on the internet with billions coming in
on the internet with billions coming in
on the internet with billions coming in the next decades the fact that we have
the next decades the fact that we have
the next decades the fact that we have two billion people on Facebook that
two billion people on Facebook that
two billion people on Facebook that we’ve got people using platforms and
we’ve got people using platforms and
we’ve got people using platforms and being connected all the time opens doors
being connected all the time opens doors
being connected all the time opens doors to a new future I agree but that that
to a new future I agree but that that
to a new future I agree but that that could be the case but actually I don’t
could be the case but actually I don’t
could be the case but actually I don’t think people like to share so let’s go
think people like to share so let’s go
think people like to share so let’s go back to Greece we have 30% unemployment
back to Greece we have 30% unemployment
back to Greece we have 30% unemployment here right and those of us who are
here right and those of us who are
here right and those of us who are employed work 12 to 14 hours a day so
employed work 12 to 14 hours a day so
employed work 12 to 14 hours a day so why don’t we just give up like 30 40
why don’t we just give up like 30 40
why don’t we just give up like 30 40 percent of our pay and work 40 percent
percent of our pay and work 40 percent
percent of our pay and work 40 percent less hours and then we can have a
less hours and then we can have a
less hours and then we can have a work-life balance because there’s no
work-life balance because there’s no
work-life balance because there’s no such an option do you do you think
such an option do you do you think
such an option do you do you think people wouldn’t do it if this option was
people wouldn’t do it if this option was
people wouldn’t do it if this option was available because I’m not sure because
available because I’m not sure because
available because I’m not sure because we don’t have an option that tells me
we don’t have an option that tells me
we don’t have an option that tells me that if I give 30% of the pay and by the
that if I give 30% of the pay and by the
that if I give 30% of the pay and by the way this also makes a point that money
way this also makes a point that money
way this also makes a point that money is the only way we can create value in
is the only way we can create value in
is the only way we can create value in the economy so maybe that’s not the case
the economy so maybe that’s not the case
the economy so maybe that’s not the case another question but I don’t have this
another question but I don’t have this
another question but I don’t have this alternative but I think we could we
alternative but I think we could we
alternative but I think we could we could build this alternative where
could build this alternative where
could build this alternative where basically we orchestrate
basically we orchestrate
basically we orchestrate we orchestrate global workforce in a way
we orchestrate global workforce in a way
we orchestrate global workforce in a way that creates value more efficiently and
that creates value more efficiently and
that creates value more efficiently and we’ve done this we’ve done this by the
we’ve done this we’ve done this by the
we’ve done this we’ve done this by the way we’ve got platforms now where all of
way we’ve got platforms now where all of
way we’ve got platforms now where all of us are freelancers all of us are
us are freelancers all of us are
us are freelancers all of us are contributors we can just expand on that
contributors we can just expand on that
contributors we can just expand on that model bring it maybe at the state level
model bring it maybe at the state level
model bring it maybe at the state level bring it at the regional level and make
bring it at the regional level and make
bring it at the regional level and make sure all of us contribute all of that is
sure all of us contribute all of that is
sure all of us contribute all of that is about making money though everything is
about making money though everything is
about making money though everything is around making money all these platforms
around making money all these platforms
around making money all these platforms from you know the sharing platforms to
from you know the sharing platforms to
from you know the sharing platforms to the freelancers platforms and it’s about
the freelancers platforms and it’s about
the freelancers platforms and it’s about creating value at the same time yes I
creating value at the same time yes I
creating value at the same time yes I agree but you know look at what’s
agree but you know look at what’s
agree but you know look at what’s happening in the world it’s it’s going
happening in the world it’s it’s going
happening in the world it’s it’s going impera the other way
impera the other way
impera the other way I mean people are closing the borders
I mean people are closing the borders
I mean people are closing the borders voting to leave the European Union they
voting to leave the European Union they
voting to leave the European Union they want to build a Mexico wall they vote
want to build a Mexico wall they vote
want to build a Mexico wall they vote 35% for isolationism in France and these
35% for isolationism in France and these
35% for isolationism in France and these people are people who have jobs the jobs
people are people who have jobs the jobs
people are people who have jobs the jobs are not paying them what they’d like to
are not paying them what they’d like to
are not paying them what they’d like to go blind but what happens when they lose
go blind but what happens when they lose
go blind but what happens when they lose their jobs I think what happens is that
their jobs I think what happens is that
their jobs I think what happens is that they’ll vote for populist leaders that
they’ll vote for populist leaders that
they’ll vote for populist leaders that will tell them that they can magically
will tell them that they can magically
will tell them that they can magically bring jobs back what you’re saying is
bring jobs back what you’re saying is
bring jobs back what you’re saying is that if we continue doing what we’re
that if we continue doing what we’re
that if we continue doing what we’re doing or if we continue doing things the
doing or if we continue doing things the
doing or if we continue doing things the way we’ve done them in the past this is
way we’ve done them in the past this is
way we’ve done them in the past this is the future we have ahead of us and I’ll
the future we have ahead of us and I’ll
the future we have ahead of us and I’ll tell you how I see this future I see a
tell you how I see this future I see a
tell you how I see this future I see a future of great divide a future where
future of great divide a future where
future of great divide a future where access is for the select few a future of
access is for the select few a future of
access is for the select few a future of major income gaps and that’s a future I
major income gaps and that’s a future I
major income gaps and that’s a future I don’t want I agree with you that if we
don’t want I agree with you that if we
don’t want I agree with you that if we continue doing things the way we’ve done
continue doing things the way we’ve done
continue doing things the way we’ve done them in the past that’s where we’re
them in the past that’s where we’re
them in the past that’s where we’re going so let’s avoid that and think of
going so let’s avoid that and think of
going so let’s avoid that and think of how can we do things differently ok I
how can we do things differently ok I
how can we do things differently ok I can agree to that point however you know
can agree to that point however you know
can agree to that point however you know this technology is a weapon these
this technology is a weapon these
this technology is a weapon these technologies are a weapon for
technologies are a weapon for
technologies are a weapon for competition for people to dominate over
competition for people to dominate over
competition for people to dominate over others and I just I just think it’s a
others and I just I just think it’s a
others and I just I just think it’s a part of human nature to go against that
part of human nature to go against that
part of human nature to go against that you have like cases like Obamacare in
you have like cases like Obamacare in
you have like cases like Obamacare in the states where people are anxious to
the states where people are anxious to
the states where people are anxious to repeal it so that they can deny access
repeal it so that they can deny access
repeal it so that they can deny access to health care to their fellow citizens
to health care to their fellow citizens
to health care to their fellow citizens I just don’t see the same
I just don’t see the same
I just don’t see the same happening I understand that it could be
happening I understand that it could be
happening I understand that it could be enabled by platforms but I just think
enabled by platforms but I just think
enabled by platforms but I just think that even if flat bones are there humans
that even if flat bones are there humans
that even if flat bones are there humans will not use them in the way you imagine
will not use them in the way you imagine
will not use them in the way you imagine so here’s the question the question is
so here’s the question the question is
so here’s the question the question is do we want to live in the world where
do we want to live in the world where
do we want to live in the world where half percent of the population is
half percent of the population is
half percent of the population is starving for example and do we want this
starving for example and do we want this
starving for example and do we want this as an option at the point where we’re
as an option at the point where we’re
as an option at the point where we’re actually producing enough food to feed
actually producing enough food to feed
actually producing enough food to feed everyone on planet Earth because I think
everyone on planet Earth because I think
everyone on planet Earth because I think everyone should answer this question
everyone should answer this question
everyone should answer this question with a radical No and then what do we do
with a radical No and then what do we do
with a radical No and then what do we do about it one we can use technology to
about it one we can use technology to
about it one we can use technology to create this abundance to create surplus
create this abundance to create surplus
create this abundance to create surplus and then we can use again technology to
and then we can use again technology to
and then we can use again technology to distribute it equally and make sure that
distribute it equally and make sure that
distribute it equally and make sure that everybody has a good quality of life and
everybody has a good quality of life and
everybody has a good quality of life and I think this is the challenge this is
I think this is the challenge this is
I think this is the challenge this is the the future we want to go towards you
the the future we want to go towards you
the the future we want to go towards you talk about universal basic income in
talk about universal basic income in
talk about universal basic income in that sort of thing we already have good
that sort of thing we already have good
that sort of thing we already have good models around this which will gets me
models around this which will gets me
models around this which will gets me excited so we are talking about a 15
excited so we are talking about a 15
excited so we are talking about a 15 hour workweek which would mean that all
hour workweek which would mean that all
hour workweek which would mean that all of us are contributed to the global
of us are contributed to the global
of us are contributed to the global economy in a very well orchestrated and
economy in a very well orchestrated and
economy in a very well orchestrated and efficient way and then we’ve got the
efficient way and then we’ve got the
efficient way and then we’ve got the model of a universal basic income and I
model of a universal basic income and I
model of a universal basic income and I think these are good ideas to keep
think these are good ideas to keep
think these are good ideas to keep exploring ok let’s take the 59 also
exploring ok let’s take the 59 also
exploring ok let’s take the 59 also let’s take the alternative because the
let’s take the alternative because the
let’s take the alternative because the alternative is terrible we’ve got people
alternative is terrible we’ve got people
alternative is terrible we’ve got people aging we’ve got more people entering the
aging we’ve got more people entering the
aging we’ve got more people entering the workforce and none of the other
workforce and none of the other
workforce and none of the other scenarios are even realistic what are
scenarios are even realistic what are
scenarios are even realistic what are you gonna tell me that people are gonna
you gonna tell me that people are gonna
you gonna tell me that people are gonna work until they are 70 where are you
work until they are 70 where are you
work until they are 70 where are you going to tell me that through continuous
going to tell me that through continuous
going to tell me that through continuous lifelong learning we’re gonna be able to
lifelong learning we’re gonna be able to
lifelong learning we’re gonna be able to bring those people back in the economy
bring those people back in the economy
bring those people back in the economy in their 50s I think that’s not an
in their 50s I think that’s not an
in their 50s I think that’s not an option so we should stop considering it
option so we should stop considering it
option so we should stop considering it as an option and explore what else is
as an option and explore what else is
as an option and explore what else is out there and I think these models have
out there and I think these models have
out there and I think these models have higher potential of of allowing us to
higher potential of of allowing us to
higher potential of of allowing us to build a better reality yeah I have a
build a better reality yeah I have a
build a better reality yeah I have a question on the 15 hour work week and
question on the 15 hour work week and
question on the 15 hour work week and what are we going to do with our lives
what are we going to do with our lives
what are we going to do with our lives because you know the way I see it is
because you know the way I see it is
because you know the way I see it is that humans are not equipped to they
that humans are not equipped to they
that humans are not equipped to they need a sense of purpose we need to say
need a sense of purpose we need to say
need a sense of purpose we need to say you know go to work because we need a
you know go to work because we need a
you know go to work because we need a sense of purpose we work for that
sense of purpose we work for that
sense of purpose we work for that and if we don’t have a sense of purpose
and if we don’t have a sense of purpose
and if we don’t have a sense of purpose I think what we’re going to find
I think what we’re going to find
I think what we’re going to find ourselves is emerged in virtual reality
ourselves is emerged in virtual reality
ourselves is emerged in virtual reality games like the ones in the in the back
games like the ones in the in the back
games like the ones in the in the back there for like half the day and it’s
there for like half the day and it’s
there for like half the day and it’s going to be virtual then mix then
going to be virtual then mix then
going to be virtual then mix then augmented and you know who knows what
augmented and you know who knows what
augmented and you know who knows what will happen with is an environment
will happen with is an environment
will happen with is an environment environments drugs could play a role
environments drugs could play a role
environments drugs could play a role when they legalized as they’re now
when they legalized as they’re now
when they legalized as they’re now starting to be so I don’t know if this
starting to be so I don’t know if this
starting to be so I don’t know if this is a future that we want anyway perhaps
is a future that we want anyway perhaps
is a future that we want anyway perhaps a sense of purpose is something that
a sense of purpose is something that
a sense of purpose is something that people need all of these things are
people need all of these things are
people need all of these things are gonna be out there and this covers our
gonna be out there and this covers our
gonna be out there and this covers our needs for entertainment but at the same
needs for entertainment but at the same
needs for entertainment but at the same time we’re gonna need to learn how to
time we’re gonna need to learn how to
time we’re gonna need to learn how to leave again well I thought that’s a very
leave again well I thought that’s a very
leave again well I thought that’s a very good question and I usually address it
good question and I usually address it
good question and I usually address it with a quote that I like very much what
with a quote that I like very much what
with a quote that I like very much what if in the future was gonna be for robots
if in the future was gonna be for robots
if in the future was gonna be for robots and life’s gonna be for people so I
and life’s gonna be for people so I
and life’s gonna be for people so I really like that getting gets me
really like that getting gets me
really like that getting gets me thinking there are so many things we can
thinking there are so many things we can
thinking there are so many things we can bring in our lives
bring in our lives
bring in our lives continuous learning emerging into better
continuous learning emerging into better
continuous learning emerging into better better ways find better ways to
better ways find better ways to
better ways find better ways to contribute to the society having
contribute to the society having
contribute to the society having entertainment out out there it’s gonna
entertainment out out there it’s gonna
entertainment out out there it’s gonna be fine and we already have it but I
be fine and we already have it but I
be fine and we already have it but I think with a new time that we’re gonna
think with a new time that we’re gonna
think with a new time that we’re gonna have available we’re gonna learn to
have available we’re gonna learn to
have available we’re gonna learn to contribute in new ways and that gets me
contribute in new ways and that gets me
contribute in new ways and that gets me really excited I think I think it’s a
really excited I think I think it’s a
really excited I think I think it’s a nice alternative to have what are we
nice alternative to have what are we
nice alternative to have what are we gonna do with all this time so Carmen I
gonna do with all this time so Carmen I
gonna do with all this time so Carmen I agree with you I like the way um you you
agree with you I like the way um you you
agree with you I like the way um you you your future the future that you painting
your future the future that you painting
your future the future that you painting I don’t actually believe that it’s that
I don’t actually believe that it’s that
I don’t actually believe that it’s that plausible don’t be cynical about it
plausible don’t be cynical about it
plausible don’t be cynical about it because because the alternative is worse
because because the alternative is worse
because because the alternative is worse if we continue imagining the future like
if we continue imagining the future like
if we continue imagining the future like is gonna be like it like like it’s the
is gonna be like it like like it’s the
is gonna be like it like like it’s the past there are no exciting things out
past there are no exciting things out
past there are no exciting things out there it’s like I would say I’m gonna
there it’s like I would say I’m gonna
there it’s like I would say I’m gonna live my life tomorrow exactly like I’ve
live my life tomorrow exactly like I’ve
live my life tomorrow exactly like I’ve lived yesterday and that’s not only
lived yesterday and that’s not only
lived yesterday and that’s not only boring it’s very limiting for my life so
boring it’s very limiting for my life so
boring it’s very limiting for my life so I want us to start thinking about the
I want us to start thinking about the
I want us to start thinking about the big problems we have ahead of us in the
big problems we have ahead of us in the
big problems we have ahead of us in the same way we’ve lived through the past
same way we’ve lived through the past
same way we’ve lived through the past let’s learn from the past if that’s the
let’s learn from the past if that’s the
let’s learn from the past if that’s the case but let’s imagine the future
case but let’s imagine the future
case but let’s imagine the future differently
differently
differently it takes a new generation of people to
it takes a new generation of people to
it takes a new generation of people to get that done and because you are in the
get that done and because you are in the
get that done and because you are in the newer generation than I am
newer generation than I am
newer generation than I am what are the some of the concrete things
what are the some of the concrete things
what are the some of the concrete things that we could do together this is a
that we could do together this is a
that we could do together this is a complex issue and can do many things but
complex issue and can do many things but
complex issue and can do many things but I think we could start experimenting
I think we could start experimenting
I think we could start experimenting right now you’re something that comes to
right now you’re something that comes to
right now you’re something that comes to mind let’s take a small community let’s
mind let’s take a small community let’s
mind let’s take a small community let’s take a village let’s take a small town
take a village let’s take a small town
take a village let’s take a small town let’s put that all online let’s build a
let’s put that all online let’s build a
let’s put that all online let’s build a platform where all citizens can connect
platform where all citizens can connect
platform where all citizens can connect let’s give them access to the best
let’s give them access to the best
let’s give them access to the best education out there through this
education out there through this
education out there through this platform let’s have them civically
platform let’s have them civically
platform let’s have them civically engaged so that they can vote so that
engaged so that they can vote so that
engaged so that they can vote so that they can communicate to their leaders in
they can communicate to their leaders in
they can communicate to their leaders in the community this is what I want to see
the community this is what I want to see
the community this is what I want to see this is how I want to spend my money and
this is how I want to spend my money and
this is how I want to spend my money and at the same time there’s transparency
at the same time there’s transparency
at the same time there’s transparency within the community I wanna I want to
within the community I wanna I want to
within the community I wanna I want to be able to to understand what my
be able to to understand what my
be able to to understand what my political readers are doing what
political readers are doing what
political readers are doing what decisions they are making on my behalf
decisions they are making on my behalf
decisions they are making on my behalf Howard is spending money and that’s
Howard is spending money and that’s
Howard is spending money and that’s possible that’s an experiment that we
possible that’s an experiment that we
possible that’s an experiment that we can do tomorrow actually I like that
can do tomorrow actually I like that
can do tomorrow actually I like that because that actually in order for that
because that actually in order for that
because that actually in order for that to happen we need enterpreneurs to make
to happen we need enterpreneurs to make
to happen we need enterpreneurs to make that happen and I think in the next
that happen and I think in the next
that happen and I think in the next century or so I don’t know let’s not put
century or so I don’t know let’s not put
century or so I don’t know let’s not put a time limit because it may be longer it
a time limit because it may be longer it
a time limit because it may be longer it may be shorter but in the next period of
may be shorter but in the next period of
may be shorter but in the next period of time it’s enterpreneurs that they’re
time it’s enterpreneurs that they’re
time it’s enterpreneurs that they’re gonna change the world and you know if
gonna change the world and you know if
gonna change the world and you know if every person who’s thinking about a
every person who’s thinking about a
every person who’s thinking about a business idea can think about it in the
business idea can think about it in the
business idea can think about it in the light of them making money or becoming
light of them making money or becoming
light of them making money or becoming famous or whatever drives them as
famous or whatever drives them as
famous or whatever drives them as entrepreneurs but also as something that
entrepreneurs but also as something that
entrepreneurs but also as something that would benefit society and would take a
would benefit society and would take a
would benefit society and would take a step for society towards the future that
step for society towards the future that
step for society towards the future that we’re describing or maybe a different
we’re describing or maybe a different
we’re describing or maybe a different alternatives future that is better and
alternatives future that is better and
alternatives future that is better and still much better than when the Doom’s
still much better than when the Doom’s
still much better than when the Doom’s and I house advocating is more likely
and I house advocating is more likely
and I house advocating is more likely then we could reach a much better
then we could reach a much better
then we could reach a much better conclusion than what you know the boom
conclusion than what you know the boom
conclusion than what you know the boom scenario and let’s just let’s just say
scenario and let’s just let’s just say
scenario and let’s just let’s just say about the boom scenario and I want to
about the boom scenario and I want to
about the boom scenario and I want to just focus your mind and you know the
just focus your mind and you know the
just focus your mind and you know the mind of the people here it’s about war
mind of the people here it’s about war
mind of the people here it’s about war what’s going to happen
what’s going to happen
what’s going to happen if people lose their jobs and you know
if people lose their jobs and you know
if people lose their jobs and you know they they don’t have they’re not taken
they they don’t have they’re not taken
they they don’t have they’re not taken care of is that they’re gonna find ways
care of is that they’re gonna find ways
care of is that they’re gonna find ways to redistribute income in a violent way
to redistribute income in a violent way
to redistribute income in a violent way even if violence is sort of eradicated
even if violence is sort of eradicated
even if violence is sort of eradicated enough this is I think we have a choice
enough this is I think we have a choice
enough this is I think we have a choice here and the choice is whether we’re
here and the choice is whether we’re
here and the choice is whether we’re gonna look at this future with hope or
gonna look at this future with hope or
gonna look at this future with hope or with fear I personally choose to look at
with fear I personally choose to look at
with fear I personally choose to look at the future with hope and I urge everyone
the future with hope and I urge everyone
the future with hope and I urge everyone to do the same thing but I urge everyone
to do the same thing but I urge everyone
to do the same thing but I urge everyone to do the same thing with and while
to do the same thing with and while
to do the same thing with and while trying to build the vision also use
trying to build the vision also use
trying to build the vision also use reason because we’ve got tools in our
reason because we’ve got tools in our
reason because we’ve got tools in our hands that can help us avoid the
hands that can help us avoid the
hands that can help us avoid the terrible scenario you’re describing and
terrible scenario you’re describing and
terrible scenario you’re describing and it’s gonna take everyone everyone out
it’s gonna take everyone everyone out
it’s gonna take everyone everyone out there to get involved the good news I’ve
there to get involved the good news I’ve
there to get involved the good news I’ve got good news and the good news is that
got good news and the good news is that
got good news and the good news is that we’ve done this in the past for example
we’ve done this in the past for example
we’ve done this in the past for example we’ve changed our perspective around
we’ve changed our perspective around
we’ve changed our perspective around violence that’s a great success for
violence that’s a great success for
violence that’s a great success for Humanity because when hundreds of years
Humanity because when hundreds of years
Humanity because when hundreds of years ago we were very comfortable fighting
ago we were very comfortable fighting
ago we were very comfortable fighting each other so that I can get food and
each other so that I can get food and
each other so that I can get food and you won’t now you’re not thinking like
you won’t now you’re not thinking like
you won’t now you’re not thinking like that anymore
that anymore
that anymore we’re very empathic about fellow people
we’re very empathic about fellow people
we’re very empathic about fellow people all over the world we do not want were
all over the world we do not want were
all over the world we do not want were the thought of violence it’s
the thought of violence it’s
the thought of violence it’s unacceptable for most of us we’ve
unacceptable for most of us we’ve
unacceptable for most of us we’ve managed to change perspective about
managed to change perspective about
managed to change perspective about really important things why don’t we do
really important things why don’t we do
really important things why don’t we do that as well about how the future is
that as well about how the future is
that as well about how the future is going to look like actually a lot of how
going to look like actually a lot of how
going to look like actually a lot of how radically violence is about fiction and
radically violence is about fiction and
radically violence is about fiction and I’m a fan of fiction because what I
I’m a fan of fiction because what I
I’m a fan of fiction because what I think people should do is that we should
think people should do is that we should
think people should do is that we should start talking with each other
start talking with each other
start talking with each other talking to each other talk with our
talking to each other talk with our
talking to each other talk with our leaders talk with our business leaders
leaders talk with our business leaders
leaders talk with our business leaders but for for most talk with each other
but for for most talk with each other
but for for most talk with each other and understand that this is coming if we
and understand that this is coming if we
and understand that this is coming if we don’t talk about it then we just kind of
don’t talk about it then we just kind of
don’t talk about it then we just kind of find ourselves in the future that we
find ourselves in the future that we
find ourselves in the future that we don’t want to and you know one of the
don’t want to and you know one of the
don’t want to and you know one of the problems which was addressed also
problems which was addressed also
problems which was addressed also earlier in the main stage is that people
earlier in the main stage is that people
earlier in the main stage is that people are unaware that this is coming and one
are unaware that this is coming and one
are unaware that this is coming and one way to make them aware that this system
way to make them aware that this system
way to make them aware that this system is true is through fiction you know
is true is through fiction you know
is true is through fiction you know showing them
showing them
showing them you know a pleasant way let’s say
you know a pleasant way let’s say
you know a pleasant way let’s say because there’s a lot of non-fiction
because there’s a lot of non-fiction
because there’s a lot of non-fiction books about what we will be discussing
books about what we will be discussing
books about what we will be discussing but nobody’s going to read them for you
but nobody’s going to read them for you
but nobody’s going to read them for you know but the fiction books or the movies
know but the fiction books or the movies
know but the fiction books or the movies do that quite well so I think that would
do that quite well so I think that would
do that quite well so I think that would be another way we could reach what how
be another way we could reach what how
be another way we could reach what how did you call it oh yeah I’m gonna use
did you call it oh yeah I’m gonna use
did you call it oh yeah I’m gonna use this exam I’m gonna I’m gonna take your
this exam I’m gonna I’m gonna take your
this exam I’m gonna I’m gonna take your your story around fiction and build my
your story around fiction and build my
your story around fiction and build my own fiction if I’m gonna choose my
own fiction if I’m gonna choose my
own fiction if I’m gonna choose my fiction that’s gonna be the future of
fiction that’s gonna be the future of
fiction that’s gonna be the future of work it’s gonna be for robots and life’s
work it’s gonna be for robots and life’s
work it’s gonna be for robots and life’s gonna be for humans thank you very much
gonna be for humans thank you very much
gonna be for humans thank you very much [Music]
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