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Detecting viruses in human breath | Wouter van der Wijngaart | TEDxKTH


some people might think

some people might think say that it is difficult to find a

say that it is difficult to find a

say that it is difficult to find a needle in a haystack now would you agree

needle in a haystack now would you agree

needle in a haystack now would you agree to that so I actually want to start with

to that so I actually want to start with

to that so I actually want to start with using your brain I’m sorry for that so

using your brain I’m sorry for that so

using your brain I’m sorry for that so let us imagine that all of us maybe some

let us imagine that all of us maybe some

let us imagine that all of us maybe some of you are but let’s we are all

of you are but let’s we are all

of you are but let’s we are all engineers now and we’re in an

engineers now and we’re in an

engineers now and we’re in an engineering an engineering company and

engineering an engineering company and

engineering an engineering company and the boss comes in i says i have this new

the boss comes in i says i have this new

the boss comes in i says i have this new cos newer customer and he needs to he

cos newer customer and he needs to he

cos newer customer and he needs to he needs to find needles in a haystack and

needs to find needles in a haystack and

needs to find needles in a haystack and that’s his problem and you need to solve

that’s his problem and you need to solve

that’s his problem and you need to solve it you need to solve it you need to come

it you need to solve it you need to come

it you need to solve it you need to come up with a strategy of how to do that how

up with a strategy of how to do that how

up with a strategy of how to do that how can you find a needle in a haystack can

can you find a needle in a haystack can

can you find a needle in a haystack can I have any suggestions please magnet

I have any suggestions please magnet

I have any suggestions please magnet magnet magnet all rights problem solved

magnet magnet all rights problem solved

magnet magnet all rights problem solved in one second so was it that difficult

in one second so was it that difficult

in one second so was it that difficult no so even seemingly very difficult

no so even seemingly very difficult

no so even seemingly very difficult problems you can solve sometimes it very

problems you can solve sometimes it very

problems you can solve sometimes it very easy solutions but problem we’re

easy solutions but problem we’re

easy solutions but problem we’re tackling that is my team and the teams i

tackling that is my team and the teams i

tackling that is my team and the teams i work with in belgium they are way way

work with in belgium they are way way

work with in belgium they are way way more difficult than finding a needle in

more difficult than finding a needle in

more difficult than finding a needle in a haystack diagnose influenza from human

a haystack diagnose influenza from human

a haystack diagnose influenza from human breath

we can expect that persons with

we can expect that persons with influenza in their normal breathing that

influenza in their normal breathing that

influenza in their normal breathing that it will breathe out influenza particles

it will breathe out influenza particles

it will breathe out influenza particles viral particles and we have reasons to

viral particles and we have reasons to

viral particles and we have reasons to believe that a typical patient may

believe that a typical patient may

believe that a typical patient may perhaps breathe out one viral particle

perhaps breathe out one viral particle

perhaps breathe out one viral particle per breath of air so what we would like

per breath of air so what we would like

per breath of air so what we would like to do is to find that particle in that

to do is to find that particle in that

to do is to find that particle in that breath of air and identify it as being

breath of air and identify it as being

breath of air and identify it as being influenza virus and as such diagnose the

influenza virus and as such diagnose the

influenza virus and as such diagnose the patient there’s only a little problem

patient there’s only a little problem

patient there’s only a little problem and that is the virus is very very small

and that is the virus is very very small

and that is the virus is very very small actually it’s about 100 nanometer across

actually it’s about 100 nanometer across

actually it’s about 100 nanometer across and that’s very little that is about

and that’s very little that is about

and that’s very little that is about 1,000 atoms and first I want to try to

1,000 atoms and first I want to try to

1,000 atoms and first I want to try to explain to you how small that actually

explain to you how small that actually

explain to you how small that actually is so let’s compare the problem of

is so let’s compare the problem of

is so let’s compare the problem of finding a virus in a breath of air with

finding a virus in a breath of air with

finding a virus in a breath of air with finding a needle in a haystack and yes I

finding a needle in a haystack and yes I

finding a needle in a haystack and yes I am an engineer so I like to put numbers

am an engineer so I like to put numbers

am an engineer so I like to put numbers on things and so I can try to do that

on things and so I can try to do that

on things and so I can try to do that and I can see if I compare the volume of

and I can see if I compare the volume of

and I can see if I compare the volume of this viral particle with the three

this viral particle with the three

this viral particle with the three liters of air that you breathe out

liters of air that you breathe out

liters of air that you breathe out compare it to the volume of a needle in

compare it to the volume of a needle in

compare it to the volume of a needle in a haystack I see that our promise

a haystack I see that our promise

a haystack I see that our promise roughly 30 billion times more difficult

roughly 30 billion times more difficult

roughly 30 billion times more difficult so to give you an idea actually how

so to give you an idea actually how

so to give you an idea actually how small such a particle is it’s hard to

small such a particle is it’s hard to

small such a particle is it’s hard to say because hundred nanometer we have

say because hundred nanometer we have

say because hundred nanometer we have few few people of us have actually an

few few people of us have actually an

few few people of us have actually an idea of how small that is but what if we

idea of how small that is but what if we

idea of how small that is but what if we would try to actually scale up things we

would try to actually scale up things we

would try to actually scale up things we make everything a thousand times more

make everything a thousand times more

make everything a thousand times more wide and a thousand times more high and

wide and a thousand times more high and

wide and a thousand times more high and it tells times more deep so we’re 1

it tells times more deep so we’re 1

it tells times more deep so we’re 1 billion times up scaling in volume now

billion times up scaling in volume now

billion times up scaling in volume now our three liters of breath that we have

our three liters of breath that we have

our three liters of breath that we have become 3 billion liters of breath that’s

become 3 billion liters of breath that’s

become 3 billion liters of breath that’s huge and we see actually three billions

huge and we see actually three billions

huge and we see actually three billions of litres of breath that actually that

of litres of breath that actually that

of litres of breath that actually that is the volume of the largest indoor

is the volume of the largest indoor

is the volume of the largest indoor space ever built by humans this is a

space ever built by humans this is a

space ever built by humans this is a picture of a Zeppelin hangar in Germany

picture of a Zeppelin hangar in Germany

picture of a Zeppelin hangar in Germany been turned into a tropical holiday park

been turned into a tropical holiday park

been turned into a tropical holiday park you can see it has an artificial sea and

you can see it has an artificial sea and

you can see it has an artificial sea and the little black dots you’re actually

the little black dots you’re actually

the little black dots you’re actually human swimming in it so it’s a huge

human swimming in it so it’s a huge

human swimming in it so it’s a huge space or virus we have also also scale

space or virus we have also also scale

space or virus we have also also scale it up 1 billion times and now actually

it up 1 billion times and now actually

it up 1 billion times and now actually it becomes as big as the tip of a human

it becomes as big as the tip of a human

it becomes as big as the tip of a human hair so we need to find the tip of a

hair so we need to find the tip of a

hair so we need to find the tip of a human hair in this huge hole it’s

human hair in this huge hole it’s

human hair in this huge hole it’s somewhere there this one

somewhere there this one

somewhere there this one over here it can be in the water or in

over here it can be in the water or in

over here it can be in the water or in the ceiling we don’t know but we try to

the ceiling we don’t know but we try to

the ceiling we don’t know but we try to find it that’s the scale of the problem

find it that’s the scale of the problem

find it that’s the scale of the problem we try to tackle but with a few clever

we try to tackle but with a few clever

we try to tackle but with a few clever engineering solutions we think we can

engineering solutions we think we can

engineering solutions we think we can actually do that this is the instrument

actually do that this is the instrument

actually do that this is the instrument that we’re trying to tackle it with and

that we’re trying to tackle it with and

that we’re trying to tackle it with and this is a picture also of Gaspar my

this is a picture also of Gaspar my

this is a picture also of Gaspar my former PhD student that made that

former PhD student that made that

former PhD student that made that prototype I have with me an actual

prototype I have with me an actual

prototype I have with me an actual prototype a more recent one printed by

prototype a more recent one printed by

prototype a more recent one printed by another PhD student of mine Lila and

another PhD student of mine Lila and

another PhD student of mine Lila and this one is actually tried out in the

this one is actually tried out in the

this one is actually tried out in the primary care unit in Belgium so the idea

primary care unit in Belgium so the idea

primary care unit in Belgium so the idea is that you breathe in to this

is that you breathe in to this

is that you breathe in to this instrument and that this instrument will

instrument and that this instrument will

instrument and that this instrument will actually trap the viral particle and

actually trap the viral particle and

actually trap the viral particle and detectors as such so how could we do

detectors as such so how could we do

detectors as such so how could we do that well let’s take a step back and

that well let’s take a step back and

that well let’s take a step back and look at what actually do we breathe out

look at what actually do we breathe out

look at what actually do we breathe out as humans we breathe out three liters of

as humans we breathe out three liters of

as humans we breathe out three liters of air and what is two liters of air that

air and what is two liters of air that

air and what is two liters of air that we breathe out well the most of it is

we breathe out well the most of it is

we breathe out well the most of it is just gas it is nitrogen its carbon

just gas it is nitrogen its carbon

just gas it is nitrogen its carbon dioxide it is water vapors or their

dioxide it is water vapors or their

dioxide it is water vapors or their glasses but also there are small tiny

glasses but also there are small tiny

glasses but also there are small tiny aerosol droplets and every breath of air

aerosol droplets and every breath of air

aerosol droplets and every breath of air typically have a few tens of thousand

typically have a few tens of thousand

typically have a few tens of thousand one hundred thousands of very tiny

one hundred thousands of very tiny

one hundred thousands of very tiny droplets of water that you breathe out

droplets of water that you breathe out

droplets of water that you breathe out there are too small to see they’re only

there are too small to see they’re only

there are too small to see they’re only a micrometer and size so they really

a micrometer and size so they really

a micrometer and size so they really really small but the virus the one virus

really small but the virus the one virus

really small but the virus the one virus in in one of these hundred thousand that

in in one of these hundred thousand that

in in one of these hundred thousand that will be likely one virus and that virus

will be likely one virus and that virus

will be likely one virus and that virus will probably be in the droplet and not

will probably be in the droplet and not

will probably be in the droplet and not in the surrounding gas so if we can

in the surrounding gas so if we can

in the surrounding gas so if we can start with collecting all these little

start with collecting all these little

start with collecting all these little droplets together we have already a huge

droplets together we have already a huge

droplets together we have already a huge huge of concentration I solve the big

huge of concentration I solve the big

huge of concentration I solve the big part of our problem so that’s the first

part of our problem so that’s the first

part of our problem so that’s the first thing we’re going to do try to collect

thing we’re going to do try to collect

thing we’re going to do try to collect the iris or droplets and how does that

the iris or droplets and how does that

the iris or droplets and how does that work let’s have a look inside the

work let’s have a look inside the

work let’s have a look inside the instrument if you want that can in the

instrument if you want that can in the

instrument if you want that can in the next breakout you can have a real look

next breakout you can have a real look

next breakout you can have a real look at a real instrument out looks like you

at a real instrument out looks like you

at a real instrument out looks like you will see that in the top of the

will see that in the top of the

will see that in the top of the instrument you’ll find one or number of

instrument you’ll find one or number of

instrument you’ll find one or number of sharp needles and these needles we put

sharp needles and these needles we put

sharp needles and these needles we put at very high voltage 10 kilo volt what

at very high voltage 10 kilo volt what

at very high voltage 10 kilo volt what happens if you put a very sharp object

happens if you put a very sharp object

happens if you put a very sharp object at 10 kilo volt is that electrons in the

at 10 kilo volt is that electrons in the

at 10 kilo volt is that electrons in the tip really they’re all crammed together

tip really they’re all crammed together

tip really they’re all crammed together and they don’t like that so they jump

and they don’t like that so they jump

and they don’t like that so they jump out and they start ionizing the air

out and they start ionizing the air

out and they start ionizing the air around them and the ions will bounce

around them and the ions will bounce

around them and the ions will bounce into everything in the air and very soon

into everything in the air and very soon

into everything in the air and very soon the three liters of air that you breathe

the three liters of air that you breathe

the three liters of air that you breathe through this instrument gets ionized so

through this instrument gets ionized so

through this instrument gets ionized so everything in the air gets charged so

everything in the air gets charged so

everything in the air gets charged so the hundred thousand aerosol particles

the hundred thousand aerosol particles

the hundred thousand aerosol particles or become

or become

or become charge little water droplets they’re all

charge little water droplets they’re all

charge little water droplets they’re all at a few thousand volts and then at the

at a few thousand volts and then at the

at a few thousand volts and then at the bottom I have a little holder here I

bottom I have a little holder here I

bottom I have a little holder here I have one of those in my hands here it’s

have one of those in my hands here it’s

have one of those in my hands here it’s a few millimeters big it’s a little Kate

a few millimeters big it’s a little Kate

a few millimeters big it’s a little Kate we call it the cage collector and in

we call it the cage collector and in

we call it the cage collector and in that we put a little droplet of water

that we put a little droplet of water

that we put a little droplet of water 200 microliter of water and it’s

200 microliter of water and it’s

200 microliter of water and it’s grounded electrically so all this

grounded electrically so all this

grounded electrically so all this charged particles flowing down this

charged particles flowing down this

charged particles flowing down this instrument they get attracted to this

instrument they get attracted to this

instrument they get attracted to this ground and so they try to fly into the

ground and so they try to fly into the

ground and so they try to fly into the into this collector and gets actually

into this collector and gets actually

into this collector and gets actually absorbed in this little liquid volume so

absorbed in this little liquid volume so

absorbed in this little liquid volume so now what we have done is we have reduced

now what we have done is we have reduced

now what we have done is we have reduced our problem from finding a particle here

our problem from finding a particle here

our problem from finding a particle here a virus particle in a hangar to finding

a virus particle in a hangar to finding

a virus particle in a hangar to finding it in this little pile here sorry from

it in this little pile here sorry from

it in this little pile here sorry from in front in the 3-liter into the little

in front in the 3-liter into the little

in front in the 3-liter into the little collector here and so if i compare that

collector here and so if i compare that

collector here and so if i compare that now i just need to find my human hair in

now i just need to find my human hair in

now i just need to find my human hair in a volume as big as two standard shipping

a volume as big as two standard shipping

a volume as big as two standard shipping containers which is where we easier than

containers which is where we easier than

containers which is where we easier than trying to find it in a Zeppelin hangar

trying to find it in a Zeppelin hangar

trying to find it in a Zeppelin hangar still very difficult so we have to do

still very difficult so we have to do

still very difficult so we have to do some more steps next thing we do is well

some more steps next thing we do is well

some more steps next thing we do is well let’s have a look at the viral particle

let’s have a look at the viral particle

let’s have a look at the viral particle itself this 100 nanometer object so

itself this 100 nanometer object so

itself this 100 nanometer object so beautiful artificially colored pictures

beautiful artificially colored pictures

beautiful artificially colored pictures of such an object and you see the purple

of such an object and you see the purple

of such an object and you see the purple thing in the middle here that’s a

thing in the middle here that’s a

thing in the middle here that’s a nucleic acid that’s actually what

nucleic acid that’s actually what

nucleic acid that’s actually what determines how the viral particle looks

determines how the viral particle looks

determines how the viral particle looks and what grades of the particle but it

and what grades of the particle but it

and what grades of the particle but it can also see this tiny little brown dots

can also see this tiny little brown dots

can also see this tiny little brown dots here around this these are called

here around this these are called

here around this these are called nuclear proteins so if I ask my patient

nuclear proteins so if I ask my patient

nuclear proteins so if I ask my patient to breathe into this instrument for

to breathe into this instrument for

to breathe into this instrument for about the minute i’ll likely capture

about the minute i’ll likely capture

about the minute i’ll likely capture something between 10 and 100 particles

something between 10 and 100 particles

something between 10 and 100 particles and what I do with this particle is that

and what I do with this particle is that

and what I do with this particle is that I break them open we call that lysis the

I break them open we call that lysis the

I break them open we call that lysis the virus break it open and release all the

virus break it open and release all the

virus break it open and release all the little nuclear proteins that are in

little nuclear proteins that are in

little nuclear proteins that are in there in the viral particle and now they

there in the viral particle and now they

there in the viral particle and now they are swimming in this liquid volume so

are swimming in this liquid volume so

are swimming in this liquid volume so we’ve gotta have 100 virus particle

we’ve gotta have 100 virus particle

we’ve gotta have 100 virus particle wheel covers about 100,000 of these

wheel covers about 100,000 of these

wheel covers about 100,000 of these nuclear proteins and so and these

nuclear proteins and so and these

nuclear proteins and so and these nuclear proteins they swim around and

nuclear proteins they swim around and

nuclear proteins they swim around and these are going to catch because what we

these are going to catch because what we

these are going to catch because what we also put in this little vial up front is

also put in this little vial up front is

also put in this little vial up front is little bullets little magnetic beads

little bullets little magnetic beads

little bullets little magnetic beads these little magnetic beads are very

these little magnetic beads are very

these little magnetic beads are very small they’re also only 23

small they’re also only 23

small they’re also only 23 micrometer-sized and they’re specially

micrometer-sized and they’re specially

micrometer-sized and they’re specially treated so we have coated those with

treated so we have coated those with

treated so we have coated those with something that we call an antibody that

something that we call an antibody that

something that we call an antibody that protein that binds very specifically to

protein that binds very specifically to

protein that binds very specifically to these nuclear proteins so what happens

these nuclear proteins so what happens

these nuclear proteins so what happens we have a million of these little beats

we have a million of these little beats

we have a million of these little beats swimming around here and I have a

swimming around here and I have a

swimming around here and I have a hundred thousand of these nuclear

hundred thousand of these nuclear

hundred thousand of these nuclear proteins and I mix it shortly and what

proteins and I mix it shortly and what

proteins and I mix it shortly and what happens every time a nuclear protein and

happens every time a nuclear protein and

happens every time a nuclear protein and a beat meet devil by to each other very

a beat meet devil by to each other very

a beat meet devil by to each other very specifically and they get stuck and they

specifically and they get stuck and they

specifically and they get stuck and they don’t let go from each other so very

don’t let go from each other so very

don’t let go from each other so very soon oldest nuclear proteins that I had

soon oldest nuclear proteins that I had

soon oldest nuclear proteins that I had this hundred thousand get bound unto one

this hundred thousand get bound unto one

this hundred thousand get bound unto one of these 1,000,000 magnetic beats and

of these 1,000,000 magnetic beats and

of these 1,000,000 magnetic beats and what do I do next is that I take these

what do I do next is that I take these

what do I do next is that I take these magnetic beads and I flushed them over a

magnetic beads and I flushed them over a

magnetic beads and I flushed them over a surface a specific specifically made

surface a specific specifically made

surface a specific specifically made surfaces the surface made by another

surfaces the surface made by another

surfaces the surface made by another student of mine whose name is razr and

student of mine whose name is razr and

student of mine whose name is razr and razr has very tiny fingers no he doesn’t

razr has very tiny fingers no he doesn’t

razr has very tiny fingers no he doesn’t but he makes very tiny wells he makes

but he makes very tiny wells he makes

but he makes very tiny wells he makes tiny wells also of the size 2.83

tiny wells also of the size 2.83

tiny wells also of the size 2.83 micrometer-sized that is smaller than

micrometer-sized that is smaller than

micrometer-sized that is smaller than your blood sauce these are very tiny

your blood sauce these are very tiny

your blood sauce these are very tiny wells and so if we flush this liquid

wells and so if we flush this liquid

wells and so if we flush this liquid over these wells and we put a magnet

over these wells and we put a magnet

over these wells and we put a magnet under here all these little beads here

under here all these little beads here

under here all these little beads here there will be sucked down in this well

there will be sucked down in this well

there will be sucked down in this well so I populate every well with a beat and

so I populate every well with a beat and

so I populate every well with a beat and I’ll some of course some of these well

I’ll some of course some of these well

I’ll some of course some of these well have a beat that has a nuclear protein

have a beat that has a nuclear protein

have a beat that has a nuclear protein and but most don’t actually have a beat

and but most don’t actually have a beat

and but most don’t actually have a beat without a nuclear protein because

without a nuclear protein because

without a nuclear protein because typically are only would have one beat

typically are only would have one beat

typically are only would have one beat ten beats per nuclear protein so I trap

ten beats per nuclear protein so I trap

ten beats per nuclear protein so I trap them in little else and then I can see

them in little else and then I can see

them in little else and then I can see that this every little well I can

that this every little well I can

that this every little well I can consider as being a bio chemical reactor

consider as being a bio chemical reactor

consider as being a bio chemical reactor very tiny one but basically a chemical

very tiny one but basically a chemical

very tiny one but basically a chemical floss I know I can do chemistry in every

floss I know I can do chemistry in every

floss I know I can do chemistry in every of these wells oh by the way we call

of these wells oh by the way we call

of these wells oh by the way we call this femme two liter wells FM two liter

this femme two liter wells FM two liter

this femme two liter wells FM two liter well array or so femme two liter you

well array or so femme two liter you

well array or so femme two liter you know you have a liter milliliter

know you have a liter milliliter

know you have a liter milliliter microliter nano liter pickle eater fanta

microliter nano liter pickle eater fanta

microliter nano liter pickle eater fanta liter yeah that is a millionth of a

liter yeah that is a millionth of a

liter yeah that is a millionth of a billionth of a liter and every well

billionth of a liter and every well

billionth of a liter and every well about but we use them as little chemical

about but we use them as little chemical

about but we use them as little chemical reservoirs and we do chemistry on them

reservoirs and we do chemistry on them

reservoirs and we do chemistry on them and the chemistry we do is that if there

and the chemistry we do is that if there

and the chemistry we do is that if there is a beat with a nuclear protein there’s

is a beat with a nuclear protein there’s

is a beat with a nuclear protein there’s a catalytic catalytic reaction going on

a catalytic catalytic reaction going on

a catalytic catalytic reaction going on that turns this well fluorescent so I

that turns this well fluorescent so I

that turns this well fluorescent so I let it react and after the reaction is

let it react and after the reaction is

let it react and after the reaction is done I just put this well plate under a

done I just put this well plate under a

done I just put this well plate under a microscope or on top of microscope and I

microscope or on top of microscope and I

microscope or on top of microscope and I simply look which of the wells light up

simply look which of the wells light up

simply look which of the wells light up and we do not

and we do not

and we do not light up so every well that lights up

light up so every well that lights up

light up so every well that lights up has captured the nucleoprotein and the

has captured the nucleoprotein and the

has captured the nucleoprotein and the ones that did not light up don’t have a

ones that did not light up don’t have a

ones that did not light up don’t have a nuclear protein and now I can just

nuclear protein and now I can just

nuclear protein and now I can just simply count how many light light

simply count how many light light

simply count how many light light applause do i see so and i can calculate

applause do i see so and i can calculate

applause do i see so and i can calculate back how many viruses that i have and

back how many viruses that i have and

back how many viruses that i have and this information you can give to a

this information you can give to a

this information you can give to a doctor who hopefully can put the

doctor who hopefully can put the

doctor who hopefully can put the diagnose so what we did is we captured

diagnose so what we did is we captured

diagnose so what we did is we captured three liter or they’re in our machine

three liter or they’re in our machine

three liter or they’re in our machine captured it the virus is down to a

captured it the virus is down to a

captured it the virus is down to a little collector with lies the virus

little collector with lies the virus

little collector with lies the virus release the nuclear proteins captured

release the nuclear proteins captured

release the nuclear proteins captured them back on these magnetic beads see

them back on these magnetic beads see

them back on these magnetic beads see the dome on the speaker at the Santa

the dome on the speaker at the Santa

the dome on the speaker at the Santa liter well array and then looked at the

liter well array and then looked at the

liter well array and then looked at the fluorescence and that gives us the

fluorescence and that gives us the

fluorescence and that gives us the answer and now what can we do with this

answer and now what can we do with this

answer and now what can we do with this technology what do we think we will use

technology what do we think we will use

technology what do we think we will use it actually for well we think there’s

it actually for well we think there’s

it actually for well we think there’s two main applications when it comes to

two main applications when it comes to

two main applications when it comes to influenza that we can use this for the

influenza that we can use this for the

influenza that we can use this for the first is companion diagnostics and

first is companion diagnostics and

first is companion diagnostics and companion diagnostics are diagnostic

companion diagnostics are diagnostic

companion diagnostics are diagnostic that are specifically for a specific

that are specifically for a specific

that are specifically for a specific drug so there are a lot of drugs

drug so there are a lot of drugs

drug so there are a lot of drugs developed nowadays antiviral drugs they

developed nowadays antiviral drugs they

developed nowadays antiviral drugs they can be very expensive they can cost

can be very expensive they can cost

can be very expensive they can cost thousands of dollars per dose and so

thousands of dollars per dose and so

thousands of dollars per dose and so before you give such an expensive drug

before you give such an expensive drug

before you give such an expensive drug to a patient it will be hopefully well

to a patient it will be hopefully well

to a patient it will be hopefully well you would only give it to very severely

you would only give it to very severely

you would only give it to very severely ill patients that has a risk of dying

ill patients that has a risk of dying

ill patients that has a risk of dying and then you want to notice that patient

and then you want to notice that patient

and then you want to notice that patient really have influence and then perhaps

really have influence and then perhaps

really have influence and then perhaps our tests can find that out before you

our tests can find that out before you

our tests can find that out before you give the drug another example where we

give the drug another example where we

give the drug another example where we can use it and where the pharma

can use it and where the pharma

can use it and where the pharma companies are very interested in is in

companies are very interested in is in

companies are very interested in is in the triage of for clinical trials so

the triage of for clinical trials so

the triage of for clinical trials so when you develop novel drugs first you

when you develop novel drugs first you

when you develop novel drugs first you have your compounds that you sort out

have your compounds that you sort out

have your compounds that you sort out first you’re going to test them on cell

first you’re going to test them on cell

first you’re going to test them on cell cultures after that on mice maybe on

cultures after that on mice maybe on

cultures after that on mice maybe on another animal on a few humans and if

another animal on a few humans and if

another animal on a few humans and if everything goes fine in every step you

everything goes fine in every step you

everything goes fine in every step you come to the step where you need to try

come to the step where you need to try

come to the step where you need to try it out on a larger population in a

it out on a larger population in a

it out on a larger population in a clinical trial and these clinical trials

clinical trial and these clinical trials

clinical trial and these clinical trials they tend to be hugely expensive people

they tend to be hugely expensive people

they tend to be hugely expensive people from the pharma industry tell me that

from the pharma industry tell me that

from the pharma industry tell me that per patient they enroll in such a trial

per patient they enroll in such a trial

per patient they enroll in such a trial it cost them 50,000 dollars now you need

it cost them 50,000 dollars now you need

it cost them 50,000 dollars now you need to know that one trial can need thousand

to know that one trial can need thousand

to know that one trial can need thousand two thousand three thousand persons so

two thousand three thousand persons so

two thousand three thousand persons so what they would like to have is for

what they would like to have is for

what they would like to have is for people with respiratory infections

people with respiratory infections

people with respiratory infections before they enroll them in this trial if

before they enroll them in this trial if

before they enroll them in this trial if they could have this quick test here and

they could have this quick test here and

they could have this quick test here and actually determine does the patient

actually determine does the patient

actually determine does the patient really have influenced a yes or no

really have influenced a yes or no

really have influenced a yes or no before I enroll them and I have this

before I enroll them and I have this

before I enroll them and I have this huge cost

huge cost

huge cost good well i hope i have showed you that

good well i hope i have showed you that

good well i hope i have showed you that with our micro and nanotechnology we’re

with our micro and nanotechnology we’re

with our micro and nanotechnology we’re actually solving problems that seem

actually solving problems that seem

actually solving problems that seem impossible but are not really impossible

impossible but are not really impossible

impossible but are not really impossible to solve I hope I’d show you how that is

to solve I hope I’d show you how that is

to solve I hope I’d show you how that is possible and I want to thank actually

possible and I want to thank actually

possible and I want to thank actually all my collaborators Belgium and in here

all my collaborators Belgium and in here

all my collaborators Belgium and in here in Sweden and I want to thank you the

in Sweden and I want to thank you the

in Sweden and I want to thank you the audience for your patience

audience for your patience

audience for your patience [Applause]

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