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dear Oh could I see the hands of people

dear Oh could I see the hands of people who would say I have never been in

who would say I have never been in

who would say I have never been in struggle with my lover my father or

struggle with my lover my father or

struggle with my lover my father or mother my neighbor or my boss right I

mother my neighbor or my boss right I

mother my neighbor or my boss right I would say that’s a North Korean result

would say that’s a North Korean result

would say that’s a North Korean result we have consensus that the question how

we have consensus that the question how

we have consensus that the question how we can solve our struggles our fights

we can solve our struggles our fights

we can solve our struggles our fights maybe even our wars with other people is

maybe even our wars with other people is

maybe even our wars with other people is probably one of the most difficult in

probably one of the most difficult in

probably one of the most difficult in life how do we do this and I know how

life how do we do this and I know how

life how do we do this and I know how hard it is I know it by experience

hard it is I know it by experience

hard it is I know it by experience unfortunately I was 13 years old when my

unfortunately I was 13 years old when my

unfortunately I was 13 years old when my parents divorced and when they started

parents divorced and when they started

parents divorced and when they started for the senior 40 years of

for the senior 40 years of

for the senior 40 years of non-communication

non-communication

non-communication they didn’t exchange one word and that

they didn’t exchange one word and that

they didn’t exchange one word and that was hard and that was really painful and

was hard and that was really painful and

was hard and that was really painful and to be honest this is the first time in

to be honest this is the first time in

to be honest this is the first time in my life that I tell this story in front

my life that I tell this story in front

my life that I tell this story in front of an audience live you know I’m a

of an audience live you know I’m a

of an audience live you know I’m a journalist I know that autocue I know

journalist I know that autocue I know

journalist I know that autocue I know how it is to write an article at home

how it is to write an article at home

how it is to write an article at home and to see the computer screen but I

and to see the computer screen but I

and to see the computer screen but I have 1200 people alive and kicking in

have 1200 people alive and kicking in

have 1200 people alive and kicking in front of me so this is not an easy task

front of me so this is not an easy task

front of me so this is not an easy task and if I make a mistake please laughs so

and if I make a mistake please laughs so

and if I make a mistake please laughs so now I can take a look at this paper I

now I can take a look at this paper I

now I can take a look at this paper I can see what my next sentence might be

can see what my next sentence might be

can see what my next sentence might be my father is 89 now and he sits on his

my father is 89 now and he sits on his

my father is 89 now and he sits on his rural rowing machine two or three times

rural rowing machine two or three times

rural rowing machine two or three times per day and he’s a funny guy he’s a

per day and he’s a funny guy he’s a

per day and he’s a funny guy he’s a passionated guy he always says I’m

passionated guy he always says I’m

passionated guy he always says I’m against women Frank I’m against women as

against women Frank I’m against women as

against women Frank I’m against women as close as possible that kind of guy and

close as possible that kind of guy and

close as possible that kind of guy and my mother who died about three years ago

my mother who died about three years ago

my mother who died about three years ago was was a really warm and wise woman

was was a really warm and wise woman

was was a really warm and wise woman and she was more more emotionally

and she was more more emotionally

and she was more more emotionally introvert and she would say things like

introvert and she would say things like

introvert and she would say things like we’re on the beach here Frank you see

we’re on the beach here Frank you see

we’re on the beach here Frank you see this sand you know you can pick it up

this sand you know you can pick it up

this sand you know you can pick it up you can try and take it home like this

you can try and take it home like this

you can try and take it home like this you know if you want to have it you want

you know if you want to have it you want

you know if you want to have it you want to hold it then you see the sand runs

to hold it then you see the sand runs

to hold it then you see the sand runs away from your hand and that’s the same

away from your hand and that’s the same

away from your hand and that’s the same with people you can also pick them up

with people you can also pick them up

with people you can also pick them up and put it in your hand like that try

and put it in your hand like that try

and put it in your hand like that try and take it home and the wind will blow

and take it home and the wind will blow

and take it home and the wind will blow something out of it that you’ll come

something out of it that you’ll come

something out of it that you’ll come home with much more don’t do this to

home with much more don’t do this to

home with much more don’t do this to people because then you’ll do it to

people because then you’ll do it to

people because then you’ll do it to yourself

yourself

yourself she was that kind of a woman she would

she was that kind of a woman she would

she was that kind of a woman she would also always say can you explain you you

also always say can you explain you you

also always say can you explain you you know all Frank you know or you think you

know all Frank you know or you think you

know all Frank you know or you think you know okay you explain to me why is a

know okay you explain to me why is a

know okay you explain to me why is a woman allowed to love two three eight

woman allowed to love two three eight

woman allowed to love two three eight twelve children but only one man why is

twelve children but only one man why is

twelve children but only one man why is it why is it so in our culture in our

it why is it so in our culture in our

it why is it so in our culture in our religion isn’t that strange

religion isn’t that strange

religion isn’t that strange let me introduce you to my father and

let me introduce you to my father and

let me introduce you to my father and mother this is the start of the

mother this is the start of the

mother this is the start of the documentary I made about them and about

documentary I made about them and about

documentary I made about them and about their divorce and there’s a decision

their divorce and there’s a decision

their divorce and there’s a decision whether or not to see each other again

[Music]

[Music] okay

okay

okay mama – yeah so now if start Anita now it

mama – yeah so now if start Anita now it

mama – yeah so now if start Anita now it feels better about in vacant equipment

feels better about in vacant equipment

feels better about in vacant equipment also helpful so if you are oh all that

also helpful so if you are oh all that

also helpful so if you are oh all that honey of the hospital name he kept her

honey of the hospital name he kept her

honey of the hospital name he kept her behind after reality and faith service

behind after reality and faith service

behind after reality and faith service yeah and now the FinTech the envelope

yeah and now the FinTech the envelope

yeah and now the FinTech the envelope exceeds the KY k and there who will tell

exceeds the KY k and there who will tell

exceeds the KY k and there who will tell you about

you about

you about just yeah then more thing sure thing fun

just yeah then more thing sure thing fun

just yeah then more thing sure thing fun fun

fun

fun my hot mommy that the single bridge of

my hot mommy that the single bridge of

my hot mommy that the single bridge of sugar needles who could let all the air

sugar needles who could let all the air

sugar needles who could let all the air around on a bet let the foundation for

around on a bet let the foundation for

around on a bet let the foundation for over I know dr. Brennan more balcony i

over I know dr. Brennan more balcony i

over I know dr. Brennan more balcony i man just push the doctor shooter yeah

man just push the doctor shooter yeah

man just push the doctor shooter yeah belches Ohio Nukem 3d was here I also

belches Ohio Nukem 3d was here I also

belches Ohio Nukem 3d was here I also picked out attendant guillotine evil

picked out attendant guillotine evil

picked out attendant guillotine evil fulfill design this well you understand

fulfill design this well you understand

fulfill design this well you understand that that blue stuff you know that was

that that blue stuff you know that was

that that blue stuff you know that was my first article she left as I said when

my first article she left as I said when

my first article she left as I said when I was 13 and she left because of her

I was 13 and she left because of her

I was 13 and she left because of her love for another man my father was

love for another man my father was

love for another man my father was called young and he was called John my

called young and he was called John my

called young and he was called John my father was a truck driver who drove

father was a truck driver who drove

father was a truck driver who drove inside Holland and she got another

inside Holland and she got another

inside Holland and she got another enough attention from in him she she was

enough attention from in him she she was

enough attention from in him she she was cold next to him and John it was an

cold next to him and John it was an

cold next to him and John it was an international trucker who never came

international trucker who never came

international trucker who never came home

home

home that’s also quite a difference but but

that’s also quite a difference but but

that’s also quite a difference but but it wasn’t easy for her to leave us I see

it wasn’t easy for her to leave us I see

it wasn’t easy for her to leave us I see that you know since the years have

that you know since the years have

that you know since the years have developed in-into de señor I see that

developed in-into de señor I see that

developed in-into de señor I see that that must have been really a tough

that must have been really a tough

that must have been really a tough decision for her to leave me my sister

decision for her to leave me my sister

decision for her to leave me my sister Desiree and my father because she

Desiree and my father because she

Desiree and my father because she honestly loved us and and she she fought

honestly loved us and and she she fought

honestly loved us and and she she fought to to make a decision she ended up in a

to to make a decision she ended up in a

to to make a decision she ended up in a mental hospital

mental hospital

mental hospital using valium coming back home leaving

using valium coming back home leaving

using valium coming back home leaving again using more of a liam and then in

again using more of a liam and then in

again using more of a liam and then in the end she left and she divorced my

the end she left and she divorced my

the end she left and she divorced my father divorced – of course and it was

father divorced – of course and it was

father divorced – of course and it was then that I wrote my

then that I wrote my

then that I wrote my first official article as a reporter I

first official article as a reporter I

first official article as a reporter I was 14 I wrote a letter to the judge

was 14 I wrote a letter to the judge

was 14 I wrote a letter to the judge together with my sister Desiree and we

together with my sister Desiree and we

together with my sister Desiree and we said we never wanted to see my mother

said we never wanted to see my mother

said we never wanted to see my mother again

again

again never and the judge asked us to come to

never and the judge asked us to come to

never and the judge asked us to come to him personally not in court and he gave

him personally not in court and he gave

him personally not in court and he gave us a bottle of shoku Mel Shoko soft

us a bottle of shoku Mel Shoko soft

us a bottle of shoku Mel Shoko soft drink and he was a it was a smart guy

drink and he was a it was a smart guy

drink and he was a it was a smart guy and he sort of checked if we had written

and he sort of checked if we had written

and he sort of checked if we had written that letter or my father had written

that letter or my father had written

that letter or my father had written that letter and when he found out that

that letter and when he found out that

that letter and when he found out that we had written the letter he he said

we had written the letter he he said

we had written the letter he he said that we could stay with my father and I

that we could stay with my father and I

that we could stay with my father and I didn’t see my mother for 10 long years

didn’t see my mother for 10 long years

didn’t see my mother for 10 long years then really tough years my father

then really tough years my father

then really tough years my father remarried she remarried she got two

remarried she remarried she got two

remarried she remarried she got two beautiful daughters

beautiful daughters

beautiful daughters Francois Z and Polina and my father

Francois Z and Polina and my father

Francois Z and Polina and my father remarried remarried with a woman and she

remarried remarried with a woman and she

remarried remarried with a woman and she gave him a son a half brother of mine

gave him a son a half brother of mine

gave him a son a half brother of mine and of mine and his name was Ben oh and

and of mine and his name was Ben oh and

and of mine and his name was Ben oh and the tragic thing was that Ben now was

the tragic thing was that Ben now was

the tragic thing was that Ben now was killed in a car accident behind our home

killed in a car accident behind our home

killed in a car accident behind our home by one of the cars of my father’s truck

by one of the cars of my father’s truck

by one of the cars of my father’s truck company and his father brother was

company and his father brother was

company and his father brother was driving that car so that gave my

driving that car so that gave my

driving that car so that gave my father’s hate towards my mother and an

father’s hate towards my mother and an

father’s hate towards my mother and an extra shot she had two bright young

extra shot she had two bright young

extra shot she had two bright young daughters and and he had had an extra

daughters and and he had had an extra

daughters and and he had had an extra son but that son got killed and so did

son but that son got killed and so did

son but that son got killed and so did the years developed further Amin and

the years developed further Amin and

the years developed further Amin and further on upon and them and my father’s

further on upon and them and my father’s

further on upon and them and my father’s hate grew and and grew and grew and all

hate grew and and grew and grew and all

hate grew and and grew and grew and all those years I was wondering how do we

those years I was wondering how do we

those years I was wondering how do we end a fight how do we end a struggle how

end a fight how do we end a struggle how

end a fight how do we end a struggle how do we end a war a family war you know I

do we end a war a family war you know I

do we end a war a family war you know I was I was developing as an interviewer

was I was developing as an interviewer

was I was developing as an interviewer as a reporter and and I saw parties had

as a reporter and and I saw parties had

as a reporter and and I saw parties had struggles countries had struggles people

struggles countries had struggles people

struggles countries had struggles people had struggles so how do you cope with it

had struggles so how do you cope with it

had struggles so how do you cope with it how do you do that and how do you start

how do you do that and how do you start

how do you do that and how do you start with it in your personal life and I

with it in your personal life and I

with it in your personal life and I simply couldn’t couldn’t find a way out

simply couldn’t couldn’t find a way out

simply couldn’t couldn’t find a way out and then I got married and that that’s

and then I got married and that that’s

and then I got married and that that’s the best way to find out how struggle

the best way to find out how struggle

the best way to find out how struggle works

works

works yeah yeah it’s really a good way to find

yeah yeah it’s really a good way to find

yeah yeah it’s really a good way to find out because I I noticed that when I

out because I I noticed that when I

out because I I noticed that when I quarreled with linacre them maybe six

quarreled with linacre them maybe six

quarreled with linacre them maybe six out of ten times I thought I was right

out of ten times I thought I was right

out of ten times I thought I was right but she was so that gave me only four of

but she was so that gave me only four of

but she was so that gave me only four of the ten times yeah do that do that women

the ten times yeah do that do that women

the ten times yeah do that do that women are always more right than men because

are always more right than men because

are always more right than men because they have more empathy in them isn’t it

they have more empathy in them isn’t it

they have more empathy in them isn’t it true it is yeah

true it is yeah

true it is yeah so I came to the conclusion if it’s like

so I came to the conclusion if it’s like

so I came to the conclusion if it’s like that in my own marriage if it’s really

that in my own marriage if it’s really

that in my own marriage if it’s really like that in my own marriage how was it

like that in my own marriage how was it

like that in my own marriage how was it in my my fathers and mothers I mean can

in my my fathers and mothers I mean can

in my my fathers and mothers I mean can I keep up this black-and-white picture I

I keep up this black-and-white picture I

I keep up this black-and-white picture I have of them no I can’t

have of them no I can’t

have of them no I can’t I can’t then what should I do and then

I can’t then what should I do and then

I can’t then what should I do and then they say my sister said we have to meet

they say my sister said we have to meet

they say my sister said we have to meet her again we have to ask mom to to come

her again we have to ask mom to to come

her again we have to ask mom to to come to our home and and to see how she is

to our home and and to see how she is

to our home and and to see how she is who she is and I will never forget that

who she is and I will never forget that

who she is and I will never forget that moment she came up the stairs in Hill

moment she came up the stairs in Hill

moment she came up the stairs in Hill home where the flowers grow tulips and

home where the flowers grow tulips and

home where the flowers grow tulips and all that stuff and she entered the room

all that stuff and she entered the room

all that stuff and she entered the room and we put our arms around her and I can

and we put our arms around her and I can

and we put our arms around her and I can tell you one thing there’s nobody nobody

tell you one thing there’s nobody nobody

tell you one thing there’s nobody nobody in the whole wide world who smells like

in the whole wide world who smells like

in the whole wide world who smells like your mother that only takes 1000 of a

your mother that only takes 1000 of a

your mother that only takes 1000 of a second to sense this is the person whom

second to sense this is the person whom

second to sense this is the person whom I have grown out of in the world that’s

I have grown out of in the world that’s

I have grown out of in the world that’s my mother and no matter how how much

my mother and no matter how how much

my mother and no matter how how much hate you you you’ll have in yourself or

hate you you you’ll have in yourself or

hate you you you’ll have in yourself or you have had in yourself that sense that

you have had in yourself that sense that

you have had in yourself that sense that sensation makes you one love it makes

sensation makes you one love it makes

sensation makes you one love it makes you want to be together again

for my father it didn’t change too much

for my father it didn’t change too much it was angry that that we saw my mother

it was angry that that we saw my mother

it was angry that that we saw my mother again and then all of a sudden about 30

again and then all of a sudden about 30

again and then all of a sudden about 30 years later my mother cat got the

years later my mother cat got the

years later my mother cat got the diagnosis Alzheimer there was six or

diagnosis Alzheimer there was six or

diagnosis Alzheimer there was six or seven years back

seven years back

seven years back so I realized that we only had maybe a

so I realized that we only had maybe a

so I realized that we only had maybe a half year of clearness in my mother’s

half year of clearness in my mother’s

half year of clearness in my mother’s head left to see if we could end that

head left to see if we could end that

head left to see if we could end that struggle between my father and mother

struggle between my father and mother

struggle between my father and mother and since I’m a reporter I thought I’m

and since I’m a reporter I thought I’m

and since I’m a reporter I thought I’m gonna interview them I’m gonna ask them

gonna interview them I’m gonna ask them

gonna interview them I’m gonna ask them do you really want to die like this one

do you really want to die like this one

do you really want to die like this one of them of you two will be in a cemetery

of them of you two will be in a cemetery

of them of you two will be in a cemetery and the other one will be at the

and the other one will be at the

and the other one will be at the entrance of the cemetery thinking

entrance of the cemetery thinking

entrance of the cemetery thinking we should have met we should have talked

we should have met we should have talked

we should have met we should have talked do you really want to die like that

do you really want to die like that

do you really want to die like that you know and of course Shakespeare was

you know and of course Shakespeare was

you know and of course Shakespeare was right when he said all is vanity you

right when he said all is vanity you

right when he said all is vanity you know I’m the personification of that I

know I’m the personification of that I

know I’m the personification of that I know it but they are worse so they

know it but they are worse so they

know it but they are worse so they wanted to be interviewed on television

wanted to be interviewed on television

wanted to be interviewed on television and they said yes and there I came with

and they said yes and there I came with

and they said yes and there I came with director he’s Helen Mullins and I

director he’s Helen Mullins and I

director he’s Helen Mullins and I interviewed him for hours and hours my

interviewed him for hours and hours my

interviewed him for hours and hours my father told about the way he tried to

father told about the way he tried to

father told about the way he tried to kill himself my sister and me by putting

kill himself my sister and me by putting

kill himself my sister and me by putting the gas oven open in our house and then

the gas oven open in our house and then

the gas oven open in our house and then one of the neighbors came and said Abe

one of the neighbors came and said Abe

one of the neighbors came and said Abe young you want to drink a beer he put it

young you want to drink a beer he put it

young you want to drink a beer he put it out again he says Frank that’s why

out again he says Frank that’s why

out again he says Frank that’s why you’re sitting here making this

you’re sitting here making this

you’re sitting here making this television documentary normally you

television documentary normally you

television documentary normally you wouldn’t have been here anymore

wouldn’t have been here anymore

wouldn’t have been here anymore me too and then the film ended with his

me too and then the film ended with his

me too and then the film ended with his word I never want to see your mother

word I never want to see your mother

word I never want to see your mother again

again

again I’d rather die and that’s the end of the

I’d rather die and that’s the end of the

I’d rather die and that’s the end of the movie that’s to say all of a sudden you

movie that’s to say all of a sudden you

movie that’s to say all of a sudden you see one short sentence saying just a

see one short sentence saying just a

see one short sentence saying just a week before this documentary was

week before this documentary was

week before this documentary was broadcasted my father a mother met and

broadcasted my father a mother met and

broadcasted my father a mother met and embraced each other because eight days

embraced each other because eight days

embraced each other because eight days before it was broadcasted I thought my

before it was broadcasted I thought my

before it was broadcasted I thought my father I said dad it’s the last time the

father I said dad it’s the last time the

father I said dad it’s the last time the very last time in my life I asked you

very last time in my life I asked you

very last time in my life I asked you are you sure you never want to see mom

are you sure you never want to see mom

are you sure you never want to see mom again

again

again and any side like his side at the

and any side like his side at the

and any side like his side at the beginning of the movie and he said okay

beginning of the movie and he said okay

beginning of the movie and he said okay just one time so we took her to Leigh

just one time so we took her to Leigh

just one time so we took her to Leigh Leigh start you know lately start never

Leigh start you know lately start never

Leigh start you know lately start never go there stay in my strict step it’s

go there stay in my strict step it’s

go there stay in my strict step it’s gray

gray

gray it will stay gray but that one evening a

it will stay gray but that one evening a

it will stay gray but that one evening a Leigh Leigh stud everything was joyous

Leigh Leigh stud everything was joyous

Leigh Leigh stud everything was joyous and shining because my mother came in my

and shining because my mother came in my

and shining because my mother came in my father was standing in the center of the

father was standing in the center of the

father was standing in the center of the room and he said before you say one word

room and he said before you say one word

room and he said before you say one word I want to tell you something

I want to tell you something

I want to tell you something I’ve never been so sad as when you left

I’ve never been so sad as when you left

I’ve never been so sad as when you left and I’m probably never gonna be happy

and I’m probably never gonna be happy

and I’m probably never gonna be happy again

again

again since you’re here and they said in his

since you’re here and they said in his

since you’re here and they said in his room hand-in-hand and they talked about

room hand-in-hand and they talked about

room hand-in-hand and they talked about the 12 magnificent years they had had a

the 12 magnificent years they had had a

the 12 magnificent years they had had a beautiful daughter that guy Frank is

beautiful daughter that guy Frank is

beautiful daughter that guy Frank is also not too bad well pity about those

also not too bad well pity about those

also not too bad well pity about those forty years of course in some little

forty years of course in some little

forty years of course in some little dirt that should be removed and they

dirt that should be removed and they

dirt that should be removed and they continued having a good relation the

continued having a good relation the

continued having a good relation the last two years of my mother’s life okay

last two years of my mother’s life okay

last two years of my mother’s life okay there were some struggles every now and

there were some struggles every now and

there were some struggles every now and then I remember sitting on a table with

then I remember sitting on a table with

then I remember sitting on a table with the four of us and then he made a

the four of us and then he made a

the four of us and then he made a revolver of his hand and he took that to

revolver of his hand and he took that to

revolver of his hand and he took that to my mother’s head and he said you know if

my mother’s head and he said you know if

my mother’s head and he said you know if I had had the money in those days to buy

I had had the money in those days to buy

I had had the money in those days to buy a gun I would have blown the brains out

a gun I would have blown the brains out

a gun I would have blown the brains out of your head and my mother who was

of your head and my mother who was

of your head and my mother who was really very far in this whole Alzheimer

really very far in this whole Alzheimer

really very far in this whole Alzheimer thing she took his his finger very

thing she took his his finger very

thing she took his his finger very softly and she said I understand young I

softly and she said I understand young I

softly and she said I understand young I understand it must have been hard makes

understand it must have been hard makes

understand it must have been hard makes it even nicer that we sit here

so she died two and a half years ago and

so she died two and a half years ago and he was there with the red rose and I

he was there with the red rose and I

he was there with the red rose and I think I have come to the understanding

think I have come to the understanding

think I have come to the understanding that if you want to end a struggle with

that if you want to end a struggle with

that if you want to end a struggle with any person in your life you have to ask

any person in your life you have to ask

any person in your life you have to ask yourself what is my responsibility what

yourself what is my responsibility what

yourself what is my responsibility what I’ve hired what have I done in this

I’ve hired what have I done in this

I’ve hired what have I done in this conflict conflict well what is my part

conflict conflict well what is my part

conflict conflict well what is my part and ever when you try to look at

and ever when you try to look at

and ever when you try to look at yourself and you show it to the other

yourself and you show it to the other

yourself and you show it to the other person the beautiful thing is that the

person the beautiful thing is that the

person the beautiful thing is that the other person will be able to look at him

other person will be able to look at him

other person will be able to look at him or herself too and he’ll she give it

or herself too and he’ll she give it

or herself too and he’ll she give it back to you and maybe there’s a one and

back to you and maybe there’s a one and

back to you and maybe there’s a one and only way out that that that you said

only way out that that that you said

only way out that that that you said this dance that we have danced together

this dance that we have danced together

this dance that we have danced together went in one or another direction also

went in one or another direction also

went in one or another direction also because of me and I wrote down because

because of me and I wrote down because

because of me and I wrote down because I’m a journalist and then sometimes you

I’m a journalist and then sometimes you

I’m a journalist and then sometimes you have to write down being curious

have to write down being curious

have to write down being curious reporters has to be curious being

reporters has to be curious being

reporters has to be curious being curious makes you courageous when you

curious makes you courageous when you

curious makes you courageous when you want to understand the other when you

want to understand the other when you

want to understand the other when you one understand yourself you you can be

one understand yourself you you can be

one understand yourself you you can be more courageous than Trump far more

more courageous than Trump far more

more courageous than Trump far more courageous I don’t know if he’s a good

courageous I don’t know if he’s a good

courageous I don’t know if he’s a good example of somebody who’s looking for

example of somebody who’s looking for

example of somebody who’s looking for his own role in conflicts you know the

his own role in conflicts you know the

his own role in conflicts you know the organization asked me to write down who

organization asked me to write down who

organization asked me to write down who are you how do you want to change the

are you how do you want to change the

are you how do you want to change the world I wrote on that I would like to

world I wrote on that I would like to

world I wrote on that I would like to try and understand far harder how I

try and understand far harder how I

try and understand far harder how I could treat somebody else the way I

could treat somebody else the way I

could treat somebody else the way I would like to be treated myself and that

would like to be treated myself and that

would like to be treated myself and that maybe it could be that I take my own

maybe it could be that I take my own

maybe it could be that I take my own responsibility I wrote

responsibility I wrote

responsibility I wrote the book and the title of the book is

the book and the title of the book is

the book and the title of the book is among Dutch heroes all those famous e

among Dutch heroes all those famous e

among Dutch heroes all those famous e interviewees I met you know politicians

interviewees I met you know politicians

interviewees I met you know politicians authors architects whoever but the real

authors architects whoever but the real

authors architects whoever but the real dutch horror heroes are my father and

dutch horror heroes are my father and

dutch horror heroes are my father and mother because they freed themselves

mother because they freed themselves

mother because they freed themselves from their head and from their

from their head and from their

from their head and from their bitterness in which you marinate your

bitterness in which you marinate your

bitterness in which you marinate your whole life and you become bitter you

whole life and you become bitter you

whole life and you become bitter you become hateful by death and the other

become hateful by death and the other

become hateful by death and the other whom you hate doesn’t feel that you feel

whom you hate doesn’t feel that you feel

whom you hate doesn’t feel that you feel it and they freed themselves from it and

it and they freed themselves from it and

it and they freed themselves from it and I hope that I will find that the same

I hope that I will find that the same

I hope that I will find that the same courage to do that when I’m conflict

courage to do that when I’m conflict

courage to do that when I’m conflict with any other person and of course I

with any other person and of course I

with any other person and of course I sometimes mm and I hope you’ll find it

sometimes mm and I hope you’ll find it

sometimes mm and I hope you’ll find it to be courageous be curious and for

to be courageous be curious and for

to be courageous be curious and for yourself thank you very much

yourself thank you very much

yourself thank you very much [Applause]

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