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Curing health care systems | Ellen van de Poel | TEDxErasmusUniversity


so I had a baby recently and I have to

so I had a baby recently and I have to admit I found it to be quite an

admit I found it to be quite an

admit I found it to be quite an undertaking I’m sure many of you today

undertaking I’m sure many of you today

undertaking I’m sure many of you today here in the room can relate

here in the room can relate

here in the room can relate first there’s the timing of the entire

first there’s the timing of the entire

first there’s the timing of the entire thing do I wait until my PhD is finished

thing do I wait until my PhD is finished

thing do I wait until my PhD is finished but then and I’m not getting too old and

but then and I’m not getting too old and

but then and I’m not getting too old and then when I was pregnant how and when do

then when I was pregnant how and when do

then when I was pregnant how and when do I tell the news to friends and family

I tell the news to friends and family

I tell the news to friends and family and how and when to tell my boss who I

and how and when to tell my boss who I

and how and when to tell my boss who I expected to be less excited

expected to be less excited

expected to be less excited should I get a bigger car bigger house

should I get a bigger car bigger house

should I get a bigger car bigger house what sort of daycare shall we go to and

what sort of daycare shall we go to and

what sort of daycare shall we go to and sort of stuff do you need to buy for a

sort of stuff do you need to buy for a

sort of stuff do you need to buy for a baby how should we name there may be

baby how should we name there may be

baby how should we name there may be many questions and then there was all

many questions and then there was all

many questions and then there was all the googling I’m an extreme

the googling I’m an extreme

the googling I’m an extreme hypochondriac so I knew in every single

hypochondriac so I knew in every single

hypochondriac so I knew in every single week of the pregnancy which organs were

week of the pregnancy which organs were

week of the pregnancy which organs were being developed but I also know in every

being developed but I also know in every

being developed but I also know in every single week how that could go terribly

single week how that could go terribly

single week how that could go terribly wrong so you can imagine by the time the

wrong so you can imagine by the time the

wrong so you can imagine by the time the baby was due I was already completely

baby was due I was already completely

baby was due I was already completely exhausted now at no point in this

exhausted now at no point in this

exhausted now at no point in this process did I have to worry about not

process did I have to worry about not

process did I have to worry about not being able to go to the doctor when I

being able to go to the doctor when I

being able to go to the doctor when I had to actually all the googling let me

had to actually all the googling let me

had to actually all the googling let me just see the doctor a few times too many

just see the doctor a few times too many

just see the doctor a few times too many and while I was concerned about the

and while I was concerned about the

and while I was concerned about the bills of all the unnecessary overpriced

bills of all the unnecessary overpriced

bills of all the unnecessary overpriced baby stuff that I bought I never worried

baby stuff that I bought I never worried

baby stuff that I bought I never worried about the medical bills and I guess

about the medical bills and I guess

about the medical bills and I guess that’s true for most of you here right

that’s true for most of you here right

that’s true for most of you here right we never really worried about not

we never really worried about not

we never really worried about not getting the care we need or not being

getting the care we need or not being

getting the care we need or not being able to pay for it now not everyone is

able to pay for it now not everyone is

able to pay for it now not everyone is so lucky for many women in a developing

so lucky for many women in a developing

so lucky for many women in a developing world

world

world becoming pregnant is really scary many

becoming pregnant is really scary many

becoming pregnant is really scary many of them have to give birth at home alone

of them have to give birth at home alone

of them have to give birth at home alone without a doctor or nurse there to help

without a doctor or nurse there to help

without a doctor or nurse there to help they can’t afford going to nice private

they can’t afford going to nice private

they can’t afford going to nice private clinics because all these are too

clinics because all these are too

clinics because all these are too expensive and they often don’t want to

expensive and they often don’t want to

expensive and they often don’t want to go to the cheaper public ones because

go to the cheaper public ones because

go to the cheaper public ones because these are overcrowded not clean short on

these are overcrowded not clean short on

these are overcrowded not clean short on staff and supplies also the doctors who

staff and supplies also the doctors who

staff and supplies also the doctors who work there often don’t do what they’re

work there often don’t do what they’re

work there often don’t do what they’re supposed to you know that in quite some

supposed to you know that in quite some

supposed to you know that in quite some developing countries you’re unlikely to

developing countries you’re unlikely to

developing countries you’re unlikely to get your blood pressure checked when you

get your blood pressure checked when you

get your blood pressure checked when you go for a prenatal visit a very simple

go for a prenatal visit a very simple

go for a prenatal visit a very simple way to assess risk for preterm delivery

way to assess risk for preterm delivery

way to assess risk for preterm delivery and then when you do end up delivering

and then when you do end up delivering

and then when you do end up delivering enough

enough

enough facility you might have a hard time

facility you might have a hard time

facility you might have a hard time leaving me tester here

leaving me tester here

leaving me tester here a new mother in Kenya who is being kept

a new mother in Kenya who is being kept

a new mother in Kenya who is being kept hostage in the hospital with her baby

hostage in the hospital with her baby

hostage in the hospital with her baby for over two months simply because she

for over two months simply because she

for over two months simply because she couldn’t afford to pay the bill now the

couldn’t afford to pay the bill now the

couldn’t afford to pay the bill now the doctors that work in this clinic they

doctors that work in this clinic they

doctors that work in this clinic they have to earn their income from people’s

have to earn their income from people’s

have to earn their income from people’s out-of-pocket payments so they keep her

out-of-pocket payments so they keep her

out-of-pocket payments so they keep her there until someone pays as a result of

there until someone pays as a result of

there until someone pays as a result of this lack of access to basic healthcare

this lack of access to basic healthcare

this lack of access to basic healthcare many women die and many children die too

many women die and many children die too

many women die and many children die too actually they die from diseases like

actually they die from diseases like

actually they die from diseases like diarrhea pneumonia diseases which are

diarrhea pneumonia diseases which are

diarrhea pneumonia diseases which are very easy to treat or prevent every

very easy to treat or prevent every

very easy to treat or prevent every single day

single day

single day 17,000 women and children die almost all

17,000 women and children die almost all

17,000 women and children die almost all of them in developing countries and

of them in developing countries and

of them in developing countries and almost all of them could be avoided

almost all of them could be avoided

almost all of them could be avoided 17,000 that’s a lot that’s like a whole

17,000 that’s a lot that’s like a whole

17,000 that’s a lot that’s like a whole city every single month why why is this

city every single month why why is this

city every single month why why is this why can’t we get those often very simple

why can’t we get those often very simple

why can’t we get those often very simple cheap interventions deliver to those who

cheap interventions deliver to those who

cheap interventions deliver to those who need them well I think that’s because we

need them well I think that’s because we

need them well I think that’s because we focus too much on specific diseases

focus too much on specific diseases

focus too much on specific diseases developing new cures for HIV AIDS

developing new cures for HIV AIDS

developing new cures for HIV AIDS malaria tuberculosis Ebola and then

malaria tuberculosis Ebola and then

malaria tuberculosis Ebola and then trying to get those cures delivered to

trying to get those cures delivered to

trying to get those cures delivered to poor countries but we ignore to cure the

poor countries but we ignore to cure the

poor countries but we ignore to cure the healthcare systems you know in many

healthcare systems you know in many

healthcare systems you know in many countries the way we deliver healthcare

countries the way we deliver healthcare

countries the way we deliver healthcare is broken and it’s these broken systems

is broken and it’s these broken systems

is broken and it’s these broken systems that allow all these people to die it’s

that allow all these people to die it’s

that allow all these people to die it’s these broken systems that don’t manage

these broken systems that don’t manage

these broken systems that don’t manage to get these simple drugs and vaccines

to get these simple drugs and vaccines

to get these simple drugs and vaccines delivered to those who need them so

delivered to those who need them so

delivered to those who need them so today I want to show you how we can

today I want to show you how we can

today I want to show you how we can change that and how we can start curing

change that and how we can start curing

change that and how we can start curing health care systems now this topic is

health care systems now this topic is

health care systems now this topic is not so sexy like eradicating hiv/aids

not so sexy like eradicating hiv/aids

not so sexy like eradicating hiv/aids malaria Ebola so it often doesn’t rank

malaria Ebola so it often doesn’t rank

malaria Ebola so it often doesn’t rank high on the policy agenda but I think

high on the policy agenda but I think

high on the policy agenda but I think that should be changed because the way

that should be changed because the way

that should be changed because the way we organize health get and especially

we organize health get and especially

we organize health get and especially the way we pay doctors is crucial in

the way we pay doctors is crucial in

the way we pay doctors is crucial in defining where they are and what they do

defining where they are and what they do

defining where they are and what they do and that’s not only true in developing

and that’s not only true in developing

and that’s not only true in developing countries actually I mean

countries actually I mean

countries actually I mean financial incentives shaped doctor’s

financial incentives shaped doctor’s

financial incentives shaped doctor’s behavior everywhere I myself experienced

behavior everywhere I myself experienced

behavior everywhere I myself experienced it when I gave birth to my son this is

it when I gave birth to my son this is

it when I gave birth to my son this is my son bus oh very cute very beautiful

my son bus oh very cute very beautiful

my son bus oh very cute very beautiful baby boy mmm

baby boy mmm

baby boy mmm despite all the stress I just told you

despite all the stress I just told you

despite all the stress I just told you about from the medical perspective I had

about from the medical perspective I had

about from the medical perspective I had a very smooth and easy pregnancy and

a very smooth and easy pregnancy and

a very smooth and easy pregnancy and delivery there were no complications

delivery there were no complications

delivery there were no complications still I stayed in a hospital in Belgium

still I stayed in a hospital in Belgium

still I stayed in a hospital in Belgium where I live and what I have my health

where I live and what I have my health

where I live and what I have my health insurance for four days after giving

insurance for four days after giving

insurance for four days after giving birth now everything was going well you

birth now everything was going well you

birth now everything was going well you can imagine those four days they’re

can imagine those four days they’re

can imagine those four days they’re filled with eating chocolate sipping

filled with eating chocolate sipping

filled with eating chocolate sipping champagne having friends and family

champagne having friends and family

champagne having friends and family reading magazines during the very long

reading magazines during the very long

reading magazines during the very long and numerous breastfeeding sessions

and numerous breastfeeding sessions

and numerous breastfeeding sessions there’s one particular magazine cover

there’s one particular magazine cover

there’s one particular magazine cover they really shocked me and it’s this one

they really shocked me and it’s this one

they really shocked me and it’s this one with Kate Middleton and baby George on

with Kate Middleton and baby George on

with Kate Middleton and baby George on the cover gates give birth around the

the cover gates give birth around the

the cover gates give birth around the same time as I did but she left the

same time as I did but she left the

same time as I did but she left the hospital on the same day of delivery

hospital on the same day of delivery

hospital on the same day of delivery with Prince George or she looked like

with Prince George or she looked like

with Prince George or she looked like this pretty amazing

now I know there’s many differences

now I know there’s many differences between Kate and I and I didn’t look

between Kate and I and I didn’t look

between Kate and I and I didn’t look half as elegant even four weeks after

half as elegant even four weeks after

half as elegant even four weeks after giving birth but I mean having

giving birth but I mean having

giving birth but I mean having pregnancies and delivery it’s not easier

pregnancies and delivery it’s not easier

pregnancies and delivery it’s not easier or shorter for Royals than it is for me

or shorter for Royals than it is for me

or shorter for Royals than it is for me so why are we treated so differently why

so why are we treated so differently why

so why are we treated so differently why do I need to stay in the hospital for so

do I need to stay in the hospital for so

do I need to stay in the hospital for so much longer well the difference is in

much longer well the difference is in

much longer well the difference is in the way health get is being financed in

the way health get is being financed in

the way health get is being financed in Belgium hospitals are are reimbursed for

Belgium hospitals are are reimbursed for

Belgium hospitals are are reimbursed for delivery care on the basis of the actual

delivery care on the basis of the actual

delivery care on the basis of the actual bills so whatever service they provide

bills so whatever service they provide

bills so whatever service they provide they get reimbursed in the UK hospitals

they get reimbursed in the UK hospitals

they get reimbursed in the UK hospitals are reimbursed a fixed amount for

are reimbursed a fixed amount for

are reimbursed a fixed amount for delivery care so they are having women

delivery care so they are having women

delivery care so they are having women stay longer in the hospital generates

stay longer in the hospital generates

stay longer in the hospital generates lots of additional costs you see the

lots of additional costs you see the

lots of additional costs you see the financial incentives method for doctors

financial incentives method for doctors

financial incentives method for doctors behavior the way we finance delivery

behavior the way we finance delivery

behavior the way we finance delivery care in Belgium generates waste and I

care in Belgium generates waste and I

care in Belgium generates waste and I realize me staying in a hospital in

realize me staying in a hospital in

realize me staying in a hospital in Belgium a few days longer than necessary

Belgium a few days longer than necessary

Belgium a few days longer than necessary doesn’t compare to actually being kept

doesn’t compare to actually being kept

doesn’t compare to actually being kept hostage in Kenya are not receiving

hostage in Kenya are not receiving

hostage in Kenya are not receiving essential health care elsewhere but the

essential health care elsewhere but the

essential health care elsewhere but the problem is that waste because of

problem is that waste because of

problem is that waste because of perverse financial incentives can be

perverse financial incentives can be

perverse financial incentives can be found in even the poorest settings take

found in even the poorest settings take

found in even the poorest settings take India for example India is home to 20%

India for example India is home to 20%

India for example India is home to 20% of the child deaths worldwide a major

of the child deaths worldwide a major

of the child deaths worldwide a major cause of these deaths is diarrhoea

cause of these deaths is diarrhoea

cause of these deaths is diarrhoea simple childhood diarrhoea can be very

simple childhood diarrhoea can be very

simple childhood diarrhoea can be very easily treated by giving the child

easily treated by giving the child

easily treated by giving the child autorotation salts this simple recipe

autorotation salts this simple recipe

autorotation salts this simple recipe here has the potential to save thousands

here has the potential to save thousands

here has the potential to save thousands of lives every year and this is simple

of lives every year and this is simple

of lives every year and this is simple right you can make this at home now

right you can make this at home now

right you can make this at home now researchers have shown that if you ask

researchers have shown that if you ask

researchers have shown that if you ask medical providers in Bihar rural India

medical providers in Bihar rural India

medical providers in Bihar rural India the majority of them know or where else

the majority of them know or where else

the majority of them know or where else is most effective and they said they

is most effective and they said they

is most effective and they said they would prescribe it for children with

would prescribe it for children with

would prescribe it for children with diarrhoea

diarrhoea

diarrhoea in reality though less than 20% of them

in reality though less than 20% of them

in reality though less than 20% of them were found to actually prescribe ORS to

were found to actually prescribe ORS to

were found to actually prescribe ORS to real patients and while less than 20% of

real patients and while less than 20% of

real patients and while less than 20% of them said that they would prescribe

them said that they would prescribe

them said that they would prescribe antibiotics which are

antibiotics which are

antibiotics which are usually not necessary and often even

usually not necessary and often even

usually not necessary and often even harmful in reality more than 70% of them

harmful in reality more than 70% of them

harmful in reality more than 70% of them did prescribe them for real patients you

did prescribe them for real patients you

did prescribe them for real patients you see poor people’s money is being wasted

see poor people’s money is being wasted

see poor people’s money is being wasted on drugs they don’t need and at the same

on drugs they don’t need and at the same

on drugs they don’t need and at the same time they don’t receive the most

time they don’t receive the most

time they don’t receive the most effective treatment so why why do

effective treatment so why why do

effective treatment so why why do doctors fail what they obviously seem to

doctors fail what they obviously seem to

doctors fail what they obviously seem to know is good medical practice again part

know is good medical practice again part

know is good medical practice again part of the reason are the financial

of the reason are the financial

of the reason are the financial incentives in India like in many

incentives in India like in many

incentives in India like in many developing countries actually doctors

developing countries actually doctors

developing countries actually doctors earn additional income from selling

earn additional income from selling

earn additional income from selling drugs so it’s no wonder that they often

drugs so it’s no wonder that they often

drugs so it’s no wonder that they often prescribe them when it’s really not

prescribe them when it’s really not

prescribe them when it’s really not necessary the question then becomes can

necessary the question then becomes can

necessary the question then becomes can we use financial incentives or can we

we use financial incentives or can we

we use financial incentives or can we change them in such way that we get

change them in such way that we get

change them in such way that we get doctors motivated to do a better job and

doctors motivated to do a better job and

doctors motivated to do a better job and there’s pretty good evidence that we can

there’s pretty good evidence that we can

there’s pretty good evidence that we can Rwanda was one of the first developing

Rwanda was one of the first developing

Rwanda was one of the first developing countries to experiment with pay for

countries to experiment with pay for

countries to experiment with pay for performance in health care in response

performance in health care in response

performance in health care in response to problems of low quality low use of

to problems of low quality low use of

to problems of low quality low use of public primary care the government

public primary care the government

public primary care the government decided to change the way it was

decided to change the way it was

decided to change the way it was financing health care so rather than

financing health care so rather than

financing health care so rather than paying facilities a fixed budget or

paying facilities a fixed budget or

paying facilities a fixed budget or doctors a fixed salary irrespective of

doctors a fixed salary irrespective of

doctors a fixed salary irrespective of whether they were actually there or not

whether they were actually there or not

whether they were actually there or not doing something the government started

doing something the government started

doing something the government started to the wards facilities and doctors for

to the wards facilities and doctors for

to the wards facilities and doctors for actually providing good service so they

actually providing good service so they

actually providing good service so they agreed on a set of 14 service indicators

agreed on a set of 14 service indicators

agreed on a set of 14 service indicators mostly in relation to maternal and child

mostly in relation to maternal and child

mostly in relation to maternal and child health and they agreed on a price per

health and they agreed on a price per

health and they agreed on a price per service facilities then had to report

service facilities then had to report

service facilities then had to report monthly data on their performance and

monthly data on their performance and

monthly data on their performance and these reports were verified by external

these reports were verified by external

these reports were verified by external auditors and also information on the

auditors and also information on the

auditors and also information on the quality of care was collected and used

quality of care was collected and used

quality of care was collected and used in the calculation of the budget that

in the calculation of the budget that

in the calculation of the budget that went to facilities now what happens

went to facilities now what happens

went to facilities now what happens pretty impressive the rates of

pretty impressive the rates of

pretty impressive the rates of institutional deliveries went up by 23%

institutional deliveries went up by 23%

institutional deliveries went up by 23% and the rate of preventive care visits

and the rate of preventive care visits

and the rate of preventive care visits for children think vaccinations

for children think vaccinations

for children think vaccinations increased by more than 50% and really

increased by more than 50% and really

increased by more than 50% and really the only thing that changed here were

the only thing that changed here were

the only thing that changed here were the financial incentives the total

the financial incentives the total

the financial incentives the total budget didn’t go

budget didn’t go

budget didn’t go was kept the same so this is pretty

was kept the same so this is pretty

was kept the same so this is pretty impressive and these results have been

impressive and these results have been

impressive and these results have been stimulated many donors and countries in

stimulated many donors and countries in

stimulated many donors and countries in sub-saharan Africa to experiment with

sub-saharan Africa to experiment with

sub-saharan Africa to experiment with pay-for-performance in health care I

pay-for-performance in health care I

pay-for-performance in health care I think that’s great but we have to be a

think that’s great but we have to be a

think that’s great but we have to be a bit careful pay-for-performance it’s not

bit careful pay-for-performance it’s not

bit careful pay-for-performance it’s not a magic bullet it’s it’s quite costly

a magic bullet it’s it’s quite costly

a magic bullet it’s it’s quite costly and difficult to really monitor and

and difficult to really monitor and

and difficult to really monitor and reward good performance in healthcare

reward good performance in healthcare

reward good performance in healthcare but still even with the imperfect

but still even with the imperfect

but still even with the imperfect measures we have the one an example

measures we have the one an example

measures we have the one an example shows that simply changing the incentive

shows that simply changing the incentive

shows that simply changing the incentive structure can have big impact on the

structure can have big impact on the

structure can have big impact on the services that are being delivered now

services that are being delivered now

services that are being delivered now measuring the impact of these type of

measuring the impact of these type of

measuring the impact of these type of reforms is what I do is what my research

reforms is what I do is what my research

reforms is what I do is what my research is about it’s funny because I used to

is about it’s funny because I used to

is about it’s funny because I used to always think I’d grow up to become a

always think I’d grow up to become a

always think I’d grow up to become a doctor a real medical doctor

doctor a real medical doctor

doctor a real medical doctor and work in Africa somewhere I guess

and work in Africa somewhere I guess

and work in Africa somewhere I guess that’s related to my hypochondria and

that’s related to my hypochondria and

that’s related to my hypochondria and the strong sense of justice that I’ve

the strong sense of justice that I’ve

the strong sense of justice that I’ve always had

always had

always had I became an economist working from the

I became an economist working from the

I became an economist working from the Netherlands quite a difference and I

Netherlands quite a difference and I

Netherlands quite a difference and I have to say for a long time I regretted

have to say for a long time I regretted

have to say for a long time I regretted not having become an actual medical

not having become an actual medical

not having become an actual medical doctor but now increasingly I think

doctor but now increasingly I think

doctor but now increasingly I think perhaps I can save just as much poor

perhaps I can save just as much poor

perhaps I can save just as much poor people’s lives by curing healthcare

people’s lives by curing healthcare

people’s lives by curing healthcare systems rather than curing actual

systems rather than curing actual

systems rather than curing actual patients and I want to stress that

patients and I want to stress that

patients and I want to stress that curing a healthcare system doesn’t

curing a healthcare system doesn’t

curing a healthcare system doesn’t necessarily mean getting doctors to

necessarily mean getting doctors to

necessarily mean getting doctors to provide more in many countries now

provide more in many countries now

provide more in many countries now especially Asia the challenges how to

especially Asia the challenges how to

especially Asia the challenges how to get doctors to do less to provide less

get doctors to do less to provide less

get doctors to do less to provide less antibiotics and less IV fluids China for

antibiotics and less IV fluids China for

antibiotics and less IV fluids China for example has provided health insurance to

example has provided health insurance to

example has provided health insurance to a billion of its rural population in a

a billion of its rural population in a

a billion of its rural population in a very short period of time this is great

very short period of time this is great

very short period of time this is great but they didn’t think carefully about

but they didn’t think carefully about

but they didn’t think carefully about the way they were paying their doctors

the way they were paying their doctors

the way they were paying their doctors these were compensated very generously

these were compensated very generously

these were compensated very generously for whatever service they provides think

for whatever service they provides think

for whatever service they provides think of Belgium so as a result now many

of Belgium so as a result now many

of Belgium so as a result now many Chinese are hooked to IV fluids and are

Chinese are hooked to IV fluids and are

Chinese are hooked to IV fluids and are getting prescribed antibiotics while

getting prescribed antibiotics while

getting prescribed antibiotics while it’s really not necessary again waste

it’s really not necessary again waste

it’s really not necessary again waste because of perverse financial incentives

because of perverse financial incentives

because of perverse financial incentives now speaking of waste this is me and my

now speaking of waste this is me and my

now speaking of waste this is me and my family again this is a on the third day

family again this is a on the third day

family again this is a on the third day after I give birth to my son we’re

after I give birth to my son we’re

after I give birth to my son we’re watching the Tour of Flanders major

watching the Tour of Flanders major

watching the Tour of Flanders major Belgium cycling event of the year now

Belgium cycling event of the year now

Belgium cycling event of the year now you see while Kate was looking all

you see while Kate was looking all

you see while Kate was looking all glamorous doing photo shoots I was still

glamorous doing photo shoots I was still

glamorous doing photo shoots I was still in my pajamas on the hospital bed

in my pajamas on the hospital bed

in my pajamas on the hospital bed watching TV with my family no one is

watching TV with my family no one is

watching TV with my family no one is paying attention to the baby anymore now

paying attention to the baby anymore now

paying attention to the baby anymore now recently the Belgian Minister of Health

recently the Belgian Minister of Health

recently the Belgian Minister of Health introduced a financial penalty for

introduced a financial penalty for

introduced a financial penalty for hospitals if their average length of

hospitals if their average length of

hospitals if their average length of stay for a delivery exceeds three days

stay for a delivery exceeds three days

stay for a delivery exceeds three days it provoked quite some protest for me it

it provoked quite some protest for me it

it provoked quite some protest for me it would have meant watching the cycling

would have meant watching the cycling

would have meant watching the cycling from home rather than from the hospital

from home rather than from the hospital

from home rather than from the hospital bed which is a very small price to pay

bed which is a very small price to pay

bed which is a very small price to pay to save the Belgian system an estimated

to save the Belgian system an estimated

to save the Belgian system an estimated 33 million euros a year money that we

33 million euros a year money that we

33 million euros a year money that we can spend on other things for example

can spend on other things for example

can spend on other things for example reimbursing this new non-invasive

reimbursing this new non-invasive

reimbursing this new non-invasive prenatal test that was recently

prenatal test that was recently

prenatal test that was recently developed so you see even in high-income

developed so you see even in high-income

developed so you see even in high-income countries

countries

countries changing and thinking about the way we

changing and thinking about the way we

changing and thinking about the way we finance healthcare to get doctors to

finance healthcare to get doctors to

finance healthcare to get doctors to provide appropriate care is an ongoing

provide appropriate care is an ongoing

provide appropriate care is an ongoing process that will never really be

process that will never really be

process that will never really be finished but it’s crucial it’s crucial

finished but it’s crucial it’s crucial

finished but it’s crucial it’s crucial if we’re serious about getting these

if we’re serious about getting these

if we’re serious about getting these systems to deliver interventions to

systems to deliver interventions to

systems to deliver interventions to those who need them while keeping them

those who need them while keeping them

those who need them while keeping them on a budget and this is a challenge that

on a budget and this is a challenge that

on a budget and this is a challenge that especially many developing countries

especially many developing countries

especially many developing countries will be struggling with in the next few

will be struggling with in the next few

will be struggling with in the next few years the United Nations they have

years the United Nations they have

years the United Nations they have called for universal access to basic

called for universal access to basic

called for universal access to basic health care by 2030 and this is great

health care by 2030 and this is great

health care by 2030 and this is great it’s about time that nowhere in this

it’s about time that nowhere in this

it’s about time that nowhere in this world women die from giving birth or

world women die from giving birth or

world women die from giving birth or children die from simple diarrhea but we

children die from simple diarrhea but we

children die from simple diarrhea but we have to remember we don’t need new drugs

have to remember we don’t need new drugs

have to remember we don’t need new drugs or vaccines for that we need to first

or vaccines for that we need to first

or vaccines for that we need to first cure the systems that deliver them thank

cure the systems that deliver them thank

cure the systems that deliver them thank you

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