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this is my little boy Louie he’s six

this is my little boy Louie he’s six weeks old this is very first tedxtalk

weeks old this is very first tedxtalk

weeks old this is very first tedxtalk and i’m wondering i think like whole

and i’m wondering i think like whole

and i’m wondering i think like whole parents what is he thinking what is he

parents what is he thinking what is he

parents what is he thinking what is he feeling maybe a little bit more because

feeling maybe a little bit more because

feeling maybe a little bit more because I’m a neurologist and a consciousness

I’m a neurologist and a consciousness

I’m a neurologist and a consciousness researcher and that question really

researcher and that question really

researcher and that question really fascinates me what can we say about

fascinates me what can we say about

fascinates me what can we say about little Louie’s consciousness it’s

little Louie’s consciousness it’s

little Louie’s consciousness it’s actually a very difficult question that

actually a very difficult question that

actually a very difficult question that historically was the field of religion

historically was the field of religion

historically was the field of religion and philosophy so we would look back at

and philosophy so we would look back at

and philosophy so we would look back at the old Christian scholars they would

the old Christian scholars they would

the old Christian scholars they would consider that consciousness would

consider that consciousness would

consider that consciousness would suddenly appear right at the moment of

suddenly appear right at the moment of

suddenly appear right at the moment of conception as you can see here and his

conception as you can see here and his

conception as you can see here and his wonderful painting the moment the spirit

wonderful painting the moment the spirit

wonderful painting the moment the spirit the soul enters the human body another

the soul enters the human body another

the soul enters the human body another quite popular view actually all the way

quite popular view actually all the way

quite popular view actually all the way up to the Middle Ages was the ancient

up to the Middle Ages was the ancient

up to the Middle Ages was the ancient Greek philosophers view Aristotle who

Greek philosophers view Aristotle who

Greek philosophers view Aristotle who proposed that after conception the

proposed that after conception the

proposed that after conception the menstrual blood somehow organized itself

menstrual blood somehow organized itself

menstrual blood somehow organized itself into a human being and that would be

into a human being and that would be

into a human being and that would be conscious exactly 45 days after

conscious exactly 45 days after

conscious exactly 45 days after conception that is 45 days for boys for

conception that is 45 days for boys for

conception that is 45 days for boys for girls for some obscure reason he thought

girls for some obscure reason he thought

girls for some obscure reason he thought it would take much longer actually twice

it would take much longer actually twice

it would take much longer actually twice as long so that would be 90 days as a

as long so that would be 90 days as a

as long so that would be 90 days as a scientist I propose we now leave

scientist I propose we now leave

scientist I propose we now leave religion philosophy aside and try to

religion philosophy aside and try to

religion philosophy aside and try to confront our thoughts with actual

confront our thoughts with actual

confront our thoughts with actual observations so here we leave the Dark

observations so here we leave the Dark

observations so here we leave the Dark Ages coming to the Enlightenment

Ages coming to the Enlightenment

Ages coming to the Enlightenment Leonardo da Vinci was the first to

Leonardo da Vinci was the first to

Leonardo da Vinci was the first to actually make up servation these

actually make up servation these

actually make up servation these wonderful drawings of the human fetus

wonderful drawings of the human fetus

wonderful drawings of the human fetus you can see here in the uterus but still

you can see here in the uterus but still

you can see here in the uterus but still it was very limited to say meaningful

it was very limited to say meaningful

it was very limited to say meaningful thing

thing

thing about anything going on in defeatist

about anything going on in defeatist

about anything going on in defeatist mind and even now with all these

mind and even now with all these

mind and even now with all these wonderful technologies ultrasound

wonderful technologies ultrasound

wonderful technologies ultrasound permits us to see how the baby grows

permits us to see how the baby grows

permits us to see how the baby grows inside the womb but still what can we

inside the womb but still what can we

inside the womb but still what can we say about the mind well we’re fortunate

say about the mind well we’re fortunate

say about the mind well we’re fortunate at the University of liège to be part

at the University of liège to be part

at the University of liège to be part of this European Network were with

of this European Network were with

of this European Network were with colleagues at the University of Tubingen

colleagues at the University of Tubingen

colleagues at the University of Tubingen they have a wonderful machine and you

they have a wonderful machine and you

they have a wonderful machine and you see my wife and essa and it’s quite

see my wife and essa and it’s quite

see my wife and essa and it’s quite strange possesses position where her

strange possesses position where her

strange possesses position where her belly is inside this detector of

belly is inside this detector of

belly is inside this detector of magnetic waves because when a new fetus

magnetic waves because when a new fetus

magnetic waves because when a new fetus has a change in electrical brain

has a change in electrical brain

has a change in electrical brain activity this creates very small changes

activity this creates very small changes

activity this creates very small changes in magnetic fields him they can actually

in magnetic fields him they can actually

in magnetic fields him they can actually capture that and then see how the brain

capture that and then see how the brain

capture that and then see how the brain reacts to sounds and the results are

reacts to sounds and the results are

reacts to sounds and the results are here Louie’s brain showed clear

here Louie’s brain showed clear

here Louie’s brain showed clear reactions to different sounds actually

reactions to different sounds actually

reactions to different sounds actually he could pick up when it was a new sound

he could pick up when it was a new sound

he could pick up when it was a new sound you see here this red arrow showing the

you see here this red arrow showing the

you see here this red arrow showing the wave of brain activity that was observed

wave of brain activity that was observed

wave of brain activity that was observed when he said eh this is new he might

when he said eh this is new he might

when he said eh this is new he might even be the first human fetus to show

even be the first human fetus to show

even be the first human fetus to show that there could be some working memory

that there could be some working memory

that there could be some working memory going on already during pregnancy and

going on already during pregnancy and

going on already during pregnancy and this was done in the third term so I

this was done in the third term so I

this was done in the third term so I think this is wonderful and really also

think this is wonderful and really also

think this is wonderful and really also has major ethical and clinical

has major ethical and clinical

has major ethical and clinical consequences because when we see here

consequences because when we see here

consequences because when we see here the first picture of little Louie and

the first picture of little Louie and

the first picture of little Louie and there’s no sound and you can imagine he

there’s no sound and you can imagine he

there’s no sound and you can imagine he was crying and I remember when the nurse

was crying and I remember when the nurse

was crying and I remember when the nurse was taking a little blood sample and he

was taking a little blood sample and he

was taking a little blood sample and he cried and she said well you know don’t

cried and she said well you know don’t

cried and she said well you know don’t cry I know it doesn’t hurt you I was

cry I know it doesn’t hurt you I was

cry I know it doesn’t hurt you I was thinking well do you what can we say

thinking well do you what can we say

thinking well do you what can we say about pain perception in newborns well

about pain perception in newborns well

about pain perception in newborns well historically not so

historically not so

historically not so when I was at university and of the

when I was at university and of the

when I was at university and of the atheist in textbooks it was written

atheist in textbooks it was written

atheist in textbooks it was written babies newborns are unconscious they’re

babies newborns are unconscious they’re

babies newborns are unconscious they’re just a bunch of reflexes they can’t feel

just a bunch of reflexes they can’t feel

just a bunch of reflexes they can’t feel pain so even surgery was performed

pain so even surgery was performed

pain so even surgery was performed without giving painkillers that luckily

without giving painkillers that luckily

without giving painkillers that luckily has changed and now scientific studies

has changed and now scientific studies

has changed and now scientific studies have clearly shown that babies newborns

have clearly shown that babies newborns

have clearly shown that babies newborns can have emotions can have pain and so

can have emotions can have pain and so

can have emotions can have pain and so we treat them as should be but still

we treat them as should be but still

we treat them as should be but still many questions remain I mean look at

many questions remain I mean look at

many questions remain I mean look at these wonderful eyes maybe a bit

these wonderful eyes maybe a bit

these wonderful eyes maybe a bit subjective here but to me it’s really a

subjective here but to me it’s really a

subjective here but to me it’s really a challenge to know what’s going on behind

challenge to know what’s going on behind

challenge to know what’s going on behind in that beautiful brain that beautiful

in that beautiful brain that beautiful

in that beautiful brain that beautiful mind and again scientific studies now

mind and again scientific studies now

mind and again scientific studies now offer us a glimpse of what it might be

offer us a glimpse of what it might be

offer us a glimpse of what it might be to see as a newborn

to see as a newborn

to see as a newborn this is an app you can actually download

this is an app you can actually download

this is an app you can actually download for free and you see here what little

for free and you see here what little

for free and you see here what little Louie might have seen just after birth I

Louie might have seen just after birth I

Louie might have seen just after birth I don’t know if you can guess what son

don’t know if you can guess what son

don’t know if you can guess what son here let me help you a bit and you see

here let me help you a bit and you see

here let me help you a bit and you see that vision of course in the brain of a

that vision of course in the brain of a

that vision of course in the brain of a newborn that’s an immature brain it’s

newborn that’s an immature brain it’s

newborn that’s an immature brain it’s learning progressively to make sense of

learning progressively to make sense of

learning progressively to make sense of the world initially will be very blurry

the world initially will be very blurry

the world initially will be very blurry and then progressively emerges this

and then progressively emerges this

and then progressively emerges this perception adding color and all the

perception adding color and all the

perception adding color and all the richness of our wonderful visual worlds

richness of our wonderful visual worlds

richness of our wonderful visual worlds now again thanks to a European network

now again thanks to a European network

now again thanks to a European network called the human brain project where

called the human brain project where

called the human brain project where it’s all about understanding

it’s all about understanding

it’s all about understanding consciousness and actually trying to

consciousness and actually trying to

consciousness and actually trying to model consciousness and computers now

model consciousness and computers now

model consciousness and computers now the brain is in the computer the mind

the brain is in the computer the mind

the brain is in the computer the mind isn’t just the software program but I

isn’t just the software program but I

isn’t just the software program but I think it’s wonderful with all the

think it’s wonderful with all the

think it’s wonderful with all the different colleagues throughout Europe

different colleagues throughout Europe

different colleagues throughout Europe to try and understand the emergence of

to try and understand the emergence of

to try and understand the emergence of the mind and how of course at my

the mind and how of course at my

the mind and how of course at my university in yesh we mainly study

university in yesh we mainly study

university in yesh we mainly study adults but again thanks to

adults but again thanks to

adults but again thanks to collaboration with our friends in Israel

collaboration with our friends in Israel

collaboration with our friends in Israel we have now tools to monitor what’s

we have now tools to monitor what’s

we have now tools to monitor what’s going on you see these two electrodes on

going on you see these two electrodes on

going on you see these two electrodes on littlewey who again was a guinea pig and

littlewey who again was a guinea pig and

littlewey who again was a guinea pig and we can see how that little brain changes

we can see how that little brain changes

we can see how that little brain changes depending how it interacts with the

depending how it interacts with the

depending how it interacts with the environment you see the colors you see

environment you see the colors you see

environment you see the colors you see time evolving every minute in the

time evolving every minute in the

time evolving every minute in the beginning was like cool all blue colors

beginning was like cool all blue colors

beginning was like cool all blue colors low activity then something happens you

low activity then something happens you

low activity then something happens you see the upper row is what we think his

see the upper row is what we think his

see the upper row is what we think his stress level becomes all red very active

stress level becomes all red very active

stress level becomes all red very active then you see is being breastfed and

then you see is being breastfed and

then you see is being breastfed and enjoying things and we can try to read

enjoying things and we can try to read

enjoying things and we can try to read that out in these brain electrical

that out in these brain electrical

that out in these brain electrical recordings and you can actually see this

recordings and you can actually see this

recordings and you can actually see this on your smartphone so that the image

on your smartphone so that the image

on your smartphone so that the image there is just a screen capture of my

there is just a screen capture of my

there is just a screen capture of my smartphone permitting to try and bridge

smartphone permitting to try and bridge

smartphone permitting to try and bridge into his wonderful mind and wonderful it

into his wonderful mind and wonderful it

into his wonderful mind and wonderful it truly is because you should know that

truly is because you should know that

truly is because you should know that right now he has a number of brain cells

right now he has a number of brain cells

right now he has a number of brain cells neurons similar to yours and mine

neurons similar to yours and mine

neurons similar to yours and mine billions of them but it’s really

billions of them but it’s really

billions of them but it’s really intriguing is that he’s making a lot of

intriguing is that he’s making a lot of

intriguing is that he’s making a lot of new connections these cells are bridging

new connections these cells are bridging

new connections these cells are bridging to other cells really very very fast we

to other cells really very very fast we

to other cells really very very fast we think it’s about 4,000 new connections

think it’s about 4,000 new connections

think it’s about 4,000 new connections each and every second at his age and

each and every second at his age and

each and every second at his age and this is just the beginning because he

this is just the beginning because he

this is just the beginning because he will continue up to a million nearly a

will continue up to a million nearly a

will continue up to a million nearly a million new brain connections every

million new brain connections every

million new brain connections every second and that I think is just

second and that I think is just

second and that I think is just wonderful and a challenge for us to

wonderful and a challenge for us to

wonderful and a challenge for us to understand the developing human mind

understand the developing human mind

understand the developing human mind where maybe the historical error was to

where maybe the historical error was to

where maybe the historical error was to consider consciousness as all or nothing

consider consciousness as all or nothing

consider consciousness as all or nothing it doesn’t suddenly start it’s not black

it doesn’t suddenly start it’s not black

it doesn’t suddenly start it’s not black or white but rather 50 shades of grey it

or white but rather 50 shades of grey it

or white but rather 50 shades of grey it progressively emerges and then again we

progressively emerges and then again we

progressively emerges and then again we can’t reduce the complexity of

can’t reduce the complexity of

can’t reduce the complexity of consciousness to just one dimension one

consciousness to just one dimension one

consciousness to just one dimension one thing

thing

thing it has many many aspects maybe we could

it has many many aspects maybe we could

it has many many aspects maybe we could compare it to a growing diamond

compare it to a growing diamond

compare it to a growing diamond with more and more aspects to it that

with more and more aspects to it that

with more and more aspects to it that reflect all the colors of the rainbow

reflect all the colors of the rainbow

reflect all the colors of the rainbow and the challenge for a scientist is to

and the challenge for a scientist is to

and the challenge for a scientist is to truly understand and explain the wonder

truly understand and explain the wonder

truly understand and explain the wonder of it all thank

of it all thank

of it all thank [Applause]

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