that we are one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all
liberty and justice for all
liberty and justice for all it also tells us that we have
it also tells us that we have
it also tells us that we have inalienable that rights that we are all
inalienable that rights that we are all
inalienable that rights that we are all equal and that we all can pursue life
equal and that we all can pursue life
equal and that we all can pursue life and happiness justice for all
and happiness justice for all
and happiness justice for all it doesn’t say that justice is to be
it doesn’t say that justice is to be
it doesn’t say that justice is to be metered out according to the means of
metered out according to the means of
metered out according to the means of the individual it is justice for the
the individual it is justice for the
the individual it is justice for the poor and for the rich
poor and for the rich
poor and for the rich it doesn’t say justice only for the
it doesn’t say justice only for the
it doesn’t say justice only for the corporation’s
corporation’s
corporation’s I’m not the consumer it’s justice for
I’m not the consumer it’s justice for
I’m not the consumer it’s justice for all
all
all each country society understands justice
each country society understands justice
each country society understands justice in different ways and in our country we
in different ways and in our country we
in different ways and in our country we understand it very much as a systems of
understand it very much as a systems of
understand it very much as a systems of rights and obligations and process do
rights and obligations and process do
rights and obligations and process do you process substantive process and
you process substantive process and
you process substantive process and we’re very familiar with the concept of
we’re very familiar with the concept of
we’re very familiar with the concept of criminal law where the state comes and
criminal law where the state comes and
criminal law where the state comes and takes your liberty civil civil law it’s
takes your liberty civil civil law it’s
takes your liberty civil civil law it’s a little different civil law is a meshed
a little different civil law is a meshed
a little different civil law is a meshed in our daily activities and it is not
in our daily activities and it is not
in our daily activities and it is not the state coming to take your Liberty
the state coming to take your Liberty
the state coming to take your Liberty it’s more the relationships and the
it’s more the relationships and the
it’s more the relationships and the obligations that you have to each other
obligations that you have to each other
obligations that you have to each other and to other parties and so civil law
and to other parties and so civil law
and to other parties and so civil law includes healthcare and it includes
includes healthcare and it includes
includes healthcare and it includes education for example if your child is
education for example if your child is
education for example if your child is disabled and he’s struggling at school
disabled and he’s struggling at school
disabled and he’s struggling at school maybe there’s discipline issues maybe
maybe there’s discipline issues maybe
maybe there’s discipline issues maybe he’s truant there may be civil law
he’s truant there may be civil law
he’s truant there may be civil law issues involved there where if you had
issues involved there where if you had
issues involved there where if you had an attorney you may do a little better
an attorney you may do a little better
an attorney you may do a little better if you knew what your rights were about
if you knew what your rights were about
if you knew what your rights were about the process of disciplining or it could
the process of disciplining or it could
the process of disciplining or it could be an issue with housing you know you
be an issue with housing you know you
be an issue with housing you know you could be living in a property that
could be living in a property that
could be living in a property that you’re renting you have a relationship
you’re renting you have a relationship
you’re renting you have a relationship with your landlord and there’s something
with your landlord and there’s something
with your landlord and there’s something going on with the heat
going on with the heat
going on with the heat that’s a similar issue and their rights
that’s a similar issue and their rights
that’s a similar issue and their rights and obligations and if you knew the
and obligations and if you knew the
and obligations and if you knew the process or if you know what the law
process or if you know what the law
process or if you know what the law provides for you and your landlord
provides for you and your landlord
provides for you and your landlord maybe the resolution of the problem will
maybe the resolution of the problem will
maybe the resolution of the problem will be a lot smoother
be a lot smoother
be a lot smoother same thing with family law now the thing
same thing with family law now the thing
same thing with family law now the thing with civil law is that different from
with civil law is that different from
with civil law is that different from criminal law is that you’re on your own
criminal law is that you’re on your own
criminal law is that you’re on your own you don’t have a right to a free lawyer
you don’t have a right to a free lawyer
you don’t have a right to a free lawyer when you’re in the civil realm of life
when you’re in the civil realm of life
when you’re in the civil realm of life which is most of your life so in the
which is most of your life so in the
which is most of your life so in the school issue you don’t have a right to a
school issue you don’t have a right to a
school issue you don’t have a right to a free lawyer if your mom went to the
free lawyer if your mom went to the
free lawyer if your mom went to the hospital and now she’s getting hounded
hospital and now she’s getting hounded
hospital and now she’s getting hounded by creditors from a non-profit hospital
by creditors from a non-profit hospital
by creditors from a non-profit hospital she doesn’t have the right to a free
she doesn’t have the right to a free
she doesn’t have the right to a free lawyer you get the point you’re on your
lawyer you get the point you’re on your
lawyer you get the point you’re on your own now in the United States we have 60
own now in the United States we have 60
own now in the United States we have 60 million people who are low-income 60
million people who are low-income 60
million people who are low-income 60 million people and when we look at how
million people and when we look at how
million people and when we look at how many times they’re experiencing at least
many times they’re experiencing at least
many times they’re experiencing at least in a year one civil legal aid program
in a year one civil legal aid program
in a year one civil legal aid program civilly what’s civil law problem it’s
civilly what’s civil law problem it’s
civilly what’s civil law problem it’s seventy one percent one problem a year
seventy one percent one problem a year
seventy one percent one problem a year that’s almost three-quarters of them are
that’s almost three-quarters of them are
that’s almost three-quarters of them are facing one of the issues on their own
facing one of the issues on their own
facing one of the issues on their own now if you happen to have a household
now if you happen to have a household
now if you happen to have a household where you have a veteran it could be
where you have a veteran it could be
where you have a veteran it could be your spouse it could be your parent
your spouse it could be your parent
your spouse it could be your parent it could be your son who serve this
it could be your son who serve this
it could be your son who serve this country that house who has a higher
country that house who has a higher
country that house who has a higher likelihood of experiencing one civil
likelihood of experiencing one civil
likelihood of experiencing one civil legal a problem and if you happen to
legal a problem and if you happen to
legal a problem and if you happen to have children under 18 right you’re
have children under 18 right you’re
have children under 18 right you’re bringing up the next generation your
bringing up the next generation your
bringing up the next generation your likelihood of having at least one
likelihood of having at least one
likelihood of having at least one problem it’s even higher so happy
problem it’s even higher so happy
problem it’s even higher so happy birthday
birthday
birthday so when we look at the supply in
so when we look at the supply in
so when we look at the supply in Washington State of three lawyers that
Washington State of three lawyers that
Washington State of three lawyers that are working in law firms that are
are working in law firms that are
are working in law firms that are nonprofit to work with the community in
nonprofit to work with the community in
nonprofit to work with the community in helping them preserve their individual
helping them preserve their individual
helping them preserve their individual problems according to the Justice index
problems according to the Justice index
problems according to the Justice index in Washington state we have one point
in Washington state we have one point
in Washington state we have one point zero nine lawyers per 10,000 people that
zero nine lawyers per 10,000 people that
zero nine lawyers per 10,000 people that need one now
need one now
need one now you know this justice index is a
you know this justice index is a
you know this justice index is a national measure and you can check it
national measure and you can check it
national measure and you can check it out justice indexed org every state has
out justice indexed org every state has
out justice indexed org every state has a different measure the state that’s
a different measure the state that’s
a different measure the state that’s doing the best has nine lawyers per
doing the best has nine lawyers per
doing the best has nine lawyers per 10,000 people that’s the number one
10,000 people that’s the number one
10,000 people that’s the number one state that happens to be the District of
state that happens to be the District of
state that happens to be the District of Columbia right and in Washington State
Columbia right and in Washington State
Columbia right and in Washington State we’re not doing that bad
we’re not doing that bad
we’re not doing that bad we are number six and in being number
we are number six and in being number
we are number six and in being number six we have one free lawyer for 10,000
six we have one free lawyer for 10,000
six we have one free lawyer for 10,000 people so how many lawyers do we have to
people so how many lawyers do we have to
people so how many lawyers do we have to help people that need not enough really
help people that need not enough really
help people that need not enough really not enough now also in our state
not enough now also in our state
not enough now also in our state according to the office of civil legal
according to the office of civil legal
according to the office of civil legal aid in a survey that they did only on
aid in a survey that they did only on
aid in a survey that they did only on need for free lawyers and what they
need for free lawyers and what they
need for free lawyers and what they found out in 2015 is that in our state
found out in 2015 is that in our state
found out in 2015 is that in our state we’re not we’re a little higher than the
we’re not we’re a little higher than the
we’re not we’re a little higher than the average in terms of the need and for
average in terms of the need and for
average in terms of the need and for families that have more than four
families that have more than four
families that have more than four problems a year almost half of all of
problems a year almost half of all of
problems a year almost half of all of our families that are low income have
our families that are low income have
our families that are low income have more than four problems a year now mind
more than four problems a year now mind
more than four problems a year now mind you that some of these problems are not
you that some of these problems are not
you that some of these problems are not like you know it’s not like Express they
like you know it’s not like Express they
like you know it’s not like Express they don’t get rich so you’re on your own
don’t get rich so you’re on your own
don’t get rich so you’re on your own you’re stressed out you may be sick you
you’re stressed out you may be sick you
you’re stressed out you may be sick you are low income you may be depressed you
are low income you may be depressed you
are low income you may be depressed you may be middle-class but the problem is
may be middle-class but the problem is
may be middle-class but the problem is not going to take care of itself every
not going to take care of itself every
not going to take care of itself every three months right you could be dealing
three months right you could be dealing
three months right you could be dealing with a problem from last year so we have
with a problem from last year so we have
with a problem from last year so we have families living with us in our
families living with us in our
families living with us in our communities that have a cumulative
communities that have a cumulative
communities that have a cumulative weight of problems that are affecting
weight of problems that are affecting
weight of problems that are affecting their
their
their their children their health their salary
their children their health their salary
their children their health their salary their employment just think about it
their employment just think about it
their employment just think about it it’s an incredible amount of need so
it’s an incredible amount of need so
it’s an incredible amount of need so that’s the justice gap right all these
that’s the justice gap right all these
that’s the justice gap right all these problems one per 10,000 with some
problems one per 10,000 with some
problems one per 10,000 with some families having so many problems so to
families having so many problems so to
families having so many problems so to understand how people deal with this
understand how people deal with this
understand how people deal with this situation in every in everyday life the
situation in every in everyday life the
situation in every in everyday life the American Bar Association did a study
American Bar Association did a study
American Bar Association did a study where they surveyed in a city that they
where they surveyed in a city that they
where they surveyed in a city that they pick to be the average Mid City and they
pick to be the average Mid City and they
pick to be the average Mid City and they sampled it sauce so that it would be
sampled it sauce so that it would be
sampled it sauce so that it would be representative of a Mid City in the
representative of a Mid City in the
representative of a Mid City in the United States and they asked people what
United States and they asked people what
United States and they asked people what do you do when you have a civil law
do you do when you have a civil law
do you do when you have a civil law program how do you solve it how do you
program how do you solve it how do you
program how do you solve it how do you go about taking care of these things
go about taking care of these things
go about taking care of these things that you have to take care of so that
that you have to take care of so that
that you have to take care of so that you don’t lose your kid or end up
you don’t lose your kid or end up
you don’t lose your kid or end up homeless or the kid is kicked out of
homeless or the kid is kicked out of
homeless or the kid is kicked out of school and one of the things that was
school and one of the things that was
school and one of the things that was really astonishing for everyone finding
really astonishing for everyone finding
really astonishing for everyone finding out this result is that only 7% of
out this result is that only 7% of
out this result is that only 7% of people seek help from an advisor and
people seek help from an advisor and
people seek help from an advisor and this is an advisor loosely define it’s
this is an advisor loosely define it’s
this is an advisor loosely define it’s not a lawyer
not a lawyer
not a lawyer it’s a priest it’s a person that’s in a
it’s a priest it’s a person that’s in a
it’s a priest it’s a person that’s in a position of confidence it could be a
position of confidence it could be a
position of confidence it could be a friend that they go to it can either go
friend that they go to it can either go
friend that they go to it can either go to person or a lawyer so only 7% of
to person or a lawyer so only 7% of
to person or a lawyer so only 7% of people that are facing one of these
people that are facing one of these
people that are facing one of these crisis’s six help meaning that 93
crisis’s six help meaning that 93
crisis’s six help meaning that 93 percent of people don’t seek help so Wow
percent of people don’t seek help so Wow
percent of people don’t seek help so Wow right that’s amazing so they ask people
right that’s amazing so they ask people
right that’s amazing so they ask people so why are you not seeking help with
so why are you not seeking help with
so why are you not seeking help with this problems right you’re going to lose
this problems right you’re going to lose
this problems right you’re going to lose your housing you could lose your job
your housing you could lose your job
your housing you could lose your job you’re not getting paid and so what they
you’re not getting paid and so what they
you’re not getting paid and so what they found out is that a lot of people view
found out is that a lot of people view
found out is that a lot of people view these problems basically as bad luck
these problems basically as bad luck
these problems basically as bad luck many people think that it’s fate that it
many people think that it’s fate that it
many people think that it’s fate that it it was meant to happen or it’s
it was meant to happen or it’s
it was meant to happen or it’s irreversible right now that’s very sad
irreversible right now that’s very sad
irreversible right now that’s very sad and about one in five think it’s a
and about one in five think it’s a
and about one in five think it’s a private matter you know some of these
private matter you know some of these
private matter you know some of these issues are embarrassing they’re shame
issues are embarrassing they’re shame
issues are embarrassing they’re shame there may be an
there may be an
there may be an you of power maybe between an employer
you of power maybe between an employer
you of power maybe between an employer and an employee or your car mechanic or
and an employee or your car mechanic or
and an employee or your car mechanic or whoever right and we don’t talk about
whoever right and we don’t talk about
whoever right and we don’t talk about that outside the house that’s a cultural
that outside the house that’s a cultural
that outside the house that’s a cultural thing too and then many people found
thing too and then many people found
thing too and then many people found that they didn’t think or they said they
that they didn’t think or they said they
that they didn’t think or they said they have no idea that there may be a legal
have no idea that there may be a legal
have no idea that there may be a legal dimension where they may have there some
dimension where they may have there some
dimension where they may have there some remedy they just don’t even consider
remedy they just don’t even consider
remedy they just don’t even consider these problems they think it’s a bad bad
these problems they think it’s a bad bad
these problems they think it’s a bad bad luck or fate it’s not a legal problem so
luck or fate it’s not a legal problem so
luck or fate it’s not a legal problem so why am I even going to look for help and
why am I even going to look for help and
why am I even going to look for help and what we were very shocked in the field
what we were very shocked in the field
what we were very shocked in the field in the legal aid field is that we always
in the legal aid field is that we always
in the legal aid field is that we always think that people are not looking for
think that people are not looking for
think that people are not looking for for advice or anything because we think
for advice or anything because we think
for advice or anything because we think that people think that it’s very
that people think that it’s very
that people think that it’s very expensive
expensive
expensive in reality that was not the reason now
in reality that was not the reason now
in reality that was not the reason now digging a you know digging a little
digging a you know digging a little
digging a you know digging a little closer people don’t view the problems as
closer people don’t view the problems as
closer people don’t view the problems as legal and many people think that they
legal and many people think that they
legal and many people think that they can do them by themselves the ones that
can do them by themselves the ones that
can do them by themselves the ones that don’t seek help think that they can do
don’t seek help think that they can do
don’t seek help think that they can do it by themselves not realizing that
it by themselves not realizing that
it by themselves not realizing that every it can be a very nuisance problem
every it can be a very nuisance problem
every it can be a very nuisance problem resolution right and they start out by
resolution right and they start out by
resolution right and they start out by themselves and they don’t show up they
themselves and they don’t show up they
themselves and they don’t show up they get overwhelmed etcetera
get overwhelmed etcetera
get overwhelmed etcetera so the result and so being less than
so the result and so being less than
so the result and so being less than optimal now the good news is that to get
optimal now the good news is that to get
optimal now the good news is that to get to justice for all
to justice for all
to justice for all they’re actually multiple doors right
they’re actually multiple doors right
they’re actually multiple doors right you can find justice going through many
you can find justice going through many
you can find justice going through many different doors so there’s not just one
different doors so there’s not just one
different doors so there’s not just one path and what we’re learning in
path and what we’re learning in
path and what we’re learning in providing freely free civil legal
providing freely free civil legal
providing freely free civil legal services is that what we’re learning is
services is that what we’re learning is
services is that what we’re learning is that oftentimes if you co locate a
that oftentimes if you co locate a
that oftentimes if you co locate a lawyer in a hospital let’s say you have
lawyer in a hospital let’s say you have
lawyer in a hospital let’s say you have an attorney place at a clinic that’s
an attorney place at a clinic that’s
an attorney place at a clinic that’s dealing with chronic conditions like
dealing with chronic conditions like
dealing with chronic conditions like asthma and diabetes
asthma and diabetes
asthma and diabetes having the lawyer with the doctor still
having the lawyer with the doctor still
having the lawyer with the doctor still in the medical condition if you’re
in the medical condition if you’re
in the medical condition if you’re resolving let’s say there’s somebody
resolving let’s say there’s somebody
resolving let’s say there’s somebody that’s in the emergency room for Orcutt
that’s in the emergency room for Orcutt
that’s in the emergency room for Orcutt uncontrolled diabetes that person is
uncontrolled diabetes that person is
uncontrolled diabetes that person is not controlling their diabetes because
not controlling their diabetes because
not controlling their diabetes because they are not going home because there’s
they are not going home because there’s
they are not going home because there’s a conflict with the landlord or the
a conflict with the landlord or the
a conflict with the landlord or the roommate so they’re not taking care of
roommate so they’re not taking care of
roommate so they’re not taking care of their diet they’re not taking their
their diet they’re not taking their
their diet they’re not taking their medicine and if you resolve the housing
medicine and if you resolve the housing
medicine and if you resolve the housing problem you resolve the chronic
problem you resolve the chronic
problem you resolve the chronic condition and if you can and what the
condition and if you can and what the
condition and if you can and what the studies are showing us is that now not
studies are showing us is that now not
studies are showing us is that now not only does the health improve but also
only does the health improve but also
only does the health improve but also the the issue the person may be able to
the the issue the person may be able to
the the issue the person may be able to get long-term stable housing that they
get long-term stable housing that they
get long-term stable housing that they can afford through the legal
can afford through the legal
can afford through the legal intervention right so this is called the
intervention right so this is called the
intervention right so this is called the medical legal partnership model and it’s
medical legal partnership model and it’s
medical legal partnership model and it’s been around for about 15 years and it’s
been around for about 15 years and it’s
been around for about 15 years and it’s expanding across the country because
expanding across the country because
expanding across the country because it’s good outcomes in health good we’re
it’s good outcomes in health good we’re
it’s good outcomes in health good we’re good outcomes you know injustice and it
good outcomes you know injustice and it
good outcomes you know injustice and it comes from through a hospital right
comes from through a hospital right
comes from through a hospital right which is a place where you would not
which is a place where you would not
which is a place where you would not think you would find justice a path to
think you would find justice a path to
think you would find justice a path to justice the other thing that’s happening
justice the other thing that’s happening
justice the other thing that’s happening across the country is that you know the
across the country is that you know the
across the country is that you know the law clerks are seeing 300 400 people a
law clerks are seeing 300 400 people a
law clerks are seeing 300 400 people a day with the same question and they can
day with the same question and they can
day with the same question and they can help because the law clerks don’t do
help because the law clerks don’t do
help because the law clerks don’t do advice and this is in the court in many
advice and this is in the court in many
advice and this is in the court in many many states now courts have set up what
many states now courts have set up what
many states now courts have set up what they call self-help centers and in these
they call self-help centers and in these
they call self-help centers and in these self-help centers they’re helping people
self-help centers they’re helping people
self-help centers they’re helping people with eviction with foreclosure with
with eviction with foreclosure with
with eviction with foreclosure with guardianship with all type of problems
guardianship with all type of problems
guardianship with all type of problems by bringing in law students AmeriCorps
by bringing in law students AmeriCorps
by bringing in law students AmeriCorps volunteers hiring lawyers from legal aid
volunteers hiring lawyers from legal aid
volunteers hiring lawyers from legal aid and using technology computers and
and using technology computers and
and using technology computers and people can go to because people
people can go to because people
people can go to because people oftentimes go to the court looking for
oftentimes go to the court looking for
oftentimes go to the court looking for help and instead of saying oh no we only
help and instead of saying oh no we only
help and instead of saying oh no we only do the family law cases here and
do the family law cases here and
do the family law cases here and actually we cannot even tell you how to
actually we cannot even tell you how to
actually we cannot even tell you how to fill out the form that the courts have
fill out the form that the courts have
fill out the form that the courts have changed that and with the community are
changed that and with the community are
changed that and with the community are partnering like with librarians and
partnering like with librarians and
partnering like with librarians and stuff like that they’re creating these
stuff like that they’re creating these
stuff like that they’re creating these spaces where people can go and ask
spaces where people can go and ask
spaces where people can go and ask questions and if they have the help
questions and if they have the help
questions and if they have the help they’re hey yeah this is the housing
they’re hey yeah this is the housing
they’re hey yeah this is the housing workshop you can come and you can learn
workshop you can come and you can learn
workshop you can come and you can learn how you can take care of the problem and
how you can take care of the problem and
how you can take care of the problem and do your form and then file it and it’s
do your form and then file it and it’s
do your form and then file it and it’s it’s wonderful so the courts are
it’s wonderful so the courts are
it’s wonderful so the courts are becoming now more and more a service
becoming now more and more a service
becoming now more and more a service center where people can go and get
center where people can go and get
center where people can go and get and many other doors right there’s pro
and many other doors right there’s pro
and many other doors right there’s pro bono there’s always been firms that
bono there’s always been firms that
bono there’s always been firms that donate their time for free we have a pro
donate their time for free we have a pro
donate their time for free we have a pro bono project here in Benton County etc
bono project here in Benton County etc
bono project here in Benton County etc so there are many paths to justice now
so there are many paths to justice now
so there are many paths to justice now in them in the world of helping people
in them in the world of helping people
in them in the world of helping people out what we have realized and the vision
out what we have realized and the vision
out what we have realized and the vision that we’re working out because there’s
that we’re working out because there’s
that we’re working out because there’s only one per 10,000 right is that it’s
only one per 10,000 right is that it’s
only one per 10,000 right is that it’s not practical and I’m quoting here from
not practical and I’m quoting here from
not practical and I’m quoting here from Glenn drought and who works at legal
Glenn drought and who works at legal
Glenn drought and who works at legal services corporation that funds a
services corporation that funds a
services corporation that funds a hundred and thirty six legal aids across
hundred and thirty six legal aids across
hundred and thirty six legal aids across the country is that it’s not practical
the country is that it’s not practical
the country is that it’s not practical to think that anyone that asks for help
to think that anyone that asks for help
to think that anyone that asks for help will get a lawyer we’re no longer able
will get a lawyer we’re no longer able
will get a lawyer we’re no longer able to do one lawyer one client most of the
to do one lawyer one client most of the
to do one lawyer one client most of the time but what we’re trying to do is find
time but what we’re trying to do is find
time but what we’re trying to do is find the best resources for that person and
the best resources for that person and
the best resources for that person and not send them out without nothing and so
not send them out without nothing and so
not send them out without nothing and so this is technology where technology
this is technology where technology
this is technology where technology comes it this is the vision that we’re
comes it this is the vision that we’re
comes it this is the vision that we’re working with in the technology legal aid
working with in the technology legal aid
working with in the technology legal aid nonprofit world and so in 1989 right
nonprofit world and so in 1989 right
nonprofit world and so in 1989 right we’ve heard the internet get invented in
we’ve heard the internet get invented in
we’ve heard the internet get invented in 1989 and in around 1999 the question was
1989 and in around 1999 the question was
1989 and in around 1999 the question was can we use this wonderful web to get
can we use this wonderful web to get
can we use this wonderful web to get this information to people so that they
this information to people so that they
this information to people so that they can help themselves so that they can
can help themselves so that they can
can help themselves so that they can know what what is a reasonable
know what what is a reasonable
know what what is a reasonable expectation how a case could be so is
expectation how a case could be so is
expectation how a case could be so is solved etc so I work with a company that
solved etc so I work with a company that
solved etc so I work with a company that is called pro bono net and we powered up
is called pro bono net and we powered up
is called pro bono net and we powered up a lot of technology that’s now used to
a lot of technology that’s now used to
a lot of technology that’s now used to resolve civil problems for people online
resolve civil problems for people online
resolve civil problems for people online for free now you know that websites and
for free now you know that websites and
for free now you know that websites and the tools that we were using in 1999 are
the tools that we were using in 1999 are
the tools that we were using in 1999 are nothing like the tools that were using
nothing like the tools that were using
nothing like the tools that were using now and now we’re going through a mobile
now and now we’re going through a mobile
now and now we’re going through a mobile revolution right the Pew studies the Pew
revolution right the Pew studies the Pew
revolution right the Pew studies the Pew Internet studies tells us that most
Internet studies tells us that most
Internet studies tells us that most people are using handheld platforms
people are using handheld platforms
people are using handheld platforms basically phones and tablets to find
basically phones and tablets to find
basically phones and tablets to find health and legal information so
health and legal information so
health and legal information so everything is more
everything is more
everything is more being from a static brochure studying
being from a static brochure studying
being from a static brochure studying website or even PDF to handheld devices
website or even PDF to handheld devices
website or even PDF to handheld devices where you can interact and so one of the
where you can interact and so one of the
where you can interact and so one of the things that happen in 1999 is that the
things that happen in 1999 is that the
things that happen in 1999 is that the decision was made each state will have
decision was made each state will have
decision was made each state will have one website what domain door or website
one website what domain door or website
one website what domain door or website where the legal aid groups will take the
where the legal aid groups will take the
where the legal aid groups will take the best expertise in the top problems that
best expertise in the top problems that
best expertise in the top problems that families face and that will be available
families face and that will be available
families face and that will be available out there for free online and you will
out there for free online and you will
out there for free online and you will be collated it would be the most
be collated it would be the most
be collated it would be the most relevant and what you know from 99 to
relevant and what you know from 99 to
relevant and what you know from 99 to now we’re going through and we’re like
now we’re going through and we’re like
now we’re going through and we’re like doing everything that’s done you know
doing everything that’s done you know
doing everything that’s done you know it’s centered on the user needs its
it’s centered on the user needs its
it’s centered on the user needs its tested its plain language its
tested its plain language its
tested its plain language its interactive its cetera so in every
interactive its cetera so in every
interactive its cetera so in every single state there’s one of these
single state there’s one of these
single state there’s one of these websites so if somebody has a problem in
websites so if somebody has a problem in
websites so if somebody has a problem in Illinois or somebody has a problem in
Illinois or somebody has a problem in
Illinois or somebody has a problem in Michigan and its housing they can find
Michigan and its housing they can find
Michigan and its housing they can find their domain or org website and they can
their domain or org website and they can
their domain or org website and they can read the law for that state and this has
read the law for that state and this has
read the law for that state and this has been around and continues to improve and
been around and continues to improve and
been around and continues to improve and in these websites we have web chat we
in these websites we have web chat we
in these websites we have web chat we have video we have quizzes people can
have video we have quizzes people can
have video we have quizzes people can answer questions and interact and get a
answer questions and interact and get a
answer questions and interact and get a custom printer or what they need to do
custom printer or what they need to do
custom printer or what they need to do to bring when they’re gonna go see this
to bring when they’re gonna go see this
to bring when they’re gonna go see this particular type of case etc one of the
particular type of case etc one of the
particular type of case etc one of the most valuable tools is online forums and
most valuable tools is online forums and
most valuable tools is online forums and I actually manage the national platform
I actually manage the national platform
I actually manage the national platform that we have about four thousand or nine
that we have about four thousand or nine
that we have about four thousand or nine forums and people can go do any
forums and people can go do any
forums and people can go do any interview and create their own legal
interview and create their own legal
interview and create their own legal document as difficult or complex as
document as difficult or complex as
document as difficult or complex as their cases because what we’re doing
their cases because what we’re doing
their cases because what we’re doing with technologies that were taking the
with technologies that were taking the
with technologies that were taking the brains of the best lawyers about this
brains of the best lawyers about this
brains of the best lawyers about this issue and were hard-coding it into the
issue and were hard-coding it into the
issue and were hard-coding it into the software so that a person that is not an
software so that a person that is not an
software so that a person that is not an expert can interact with it and create
expert can interact with it and create
expert can interact with it and create something that is professional complete
something that is professional complete
something that is professional complete the
the
the have any holes instead of spending four
have any holes instead of spending four
have any holes instead of spending four hours takes 45 minutes and you can do
hours takes 45 minutes and you can do
hours takes 45 minutes and you can do this and you can do this by yourself so
this and you can do this by yourself so
this and you can do this by yourself so from January to August 31st through
from January to August 31st through
from January to August 31st through these no help interactive tool that I
these no help interactive tool that I
these no help interactive tool that I manage we have managed to create over
manage we have managed to create over
manage we have managed to create over four hundred and six thousand free legal
four hundred and six thousand free legal
four hundred and six thousand free legal documents across the United States that
documents across the United States that
documents across the United States that were you know one Hawaii etc and in
were you know one Hawaii etc and in
were you know one Hawaii etc and in Washington state right now we have six
Washington state right now we have six
Washington state right now we have six forms in different areas of law that
forms in different areas of law that
forms in different areas of law that anyone that is in need of some consumer
anyone that is in need of some consumer
anyone that is in need of some consumer issues some simple divorces juvenile
issues some simple divorces juvenile
issues some simple divorces juvenile expungement for anyone that has a kid
expungement for anyone that has a kid
expungement for anyone that has a kid that’s gonna be looking for a job or
that’s gonna be looking for a job or
that’s gonna be looking for a job or graduating from high school I’m trying
graduating from high school I’m trying
graduating from high school I’m trying to rent a place there are all these
to rent a place there are all these
to rent a place there are all these tools that people can use and this is
tools that people can use and this is
tools that people can use and this is just one example of a technology tool
just one example of a technology tool
just one example of a technology tool that is helping close the justice gap
that is helping close the justice gap
that is helping close the justice gap but we know that technology is not the
but we know that technology is not the
but we know that technology is not the end of it all right you can have the
end of it all right you can have the
end of it all right you can have the most wonderful technology but to close
most wonderful technology but to close
most wonderful technology but to close the Justice gap and how do we close it
the Justice gap and how do we close it
the Justice gap and how do we close it the technology is getting us there but
the technology is getting us there but
the technology is getting us there but how do we really close it and what I’ve
how do we really close it and what I’ve
how do we really close it and what I’ve concluded is that the only way we’re
concluded is that the only way we’re
concluded is that the only way we’re going to close the justice gap is if we
going to close the justice gap is if we
going to close the justice gap is if we do it together as a community and by
do it together as a community and by
do it together as a community and by that I mean is that we start opening
that I mean is that we start opening
that I mean is that we start opening those doors for each other and that you
those doors for each other and that you
those doors for each other and that you put on your institutional hat or your
put on your institutional hat or your
put on your institutional hat or your aunt hat or your custom hat and the
aunt hat or your custom hat and the
aunt hat or your custom hat and the first thing is if you hear somebody say
first thing is if you hear somebody say
first thing is if you hear somebody say oh I have such bad luck you know I’m not
oh I have such bad luck you know I’m not
oh I have such bad luck you know I’m not getting paid whatever and I’m just gonna
getting paid whatever and I’m just gonna
getting paid whatever and I’m just gonna get paid late and I’m gonna miss the
get paid late and I’m gonna miss the
get paid late and I’m gonna miss the rent and I’m gonna get a notice of
rent and I’m gonna get a notice of
rent and I’m gonna get a notice of eviction but there’s nothing I can do
eviction but there’s nothing I can do
eviction but there’s nothing I can do the bail should go on and should be like
the bail should go on and should be like
the bail should go on and should be like no don’t just do nothing go you know
no don’t just do nothing go you know
no don’t just do nothing go you know there are there are resources there
there are there are resources there
there are there are resources there laugther
laugther
laugther and do something and talk to me about it
and do something and talk to me about it
and do something and talk to me about it and you know encourage people not to
and you know encourage people not to
and you know encourage people not to accept these problems as fate or as bad
accept these problems as fate or as bad
accept these problems as fate or as bad luck empower them to think hey this
luck empower them to think hey this
luck empower them to think hey this could have a civil law dimension and the
could have a civil law dimension and the
could have a civil law dimension and the law is fair and it’s beautiful so that’s
law is fair and it’s beautiful so that’s
law is fair and it’s beautiful so that’s the one thing so how do we close the
the one thing so how do we close the
the one thing so how do we close the Justice gap we become an empowered
Justice gap we become an empowered
Justice gap we become an empowered community so we have the lawyers who
community so we have the lawyers who
community so we have the lawyers who arguably are the experts and we have the
arguably are the experts and we have the
arguably are the experts and we have the person that has the need but in between
person that has the need but in between
person that has the need but in between there’s all of us including you
there’s all of us including you
there’s all of us including you and so in your institutional hat ad work
and so in your institutional hat ad work
and so in your institutional hat ad work whatever you’re doing your hobbies or
whatever you’re doing your hobbies or
whatever you’re doing your hobbies or whatever you can help close the gap and
whatever you can help close the gap and
whatever you can help close the gap and so this is exactly how you come in and
so this is exactly how you come in and
so this is exactly how you come in and like I said you can become the go-to
like I said you can become the go-to
like I said you can become the go-to person you could decide I’m gonna learn
person you could decide I’m gonna learn
person you could decide I’m gonna learn what’s available in Washington law
what’s available in Washington law
what’s available in Washington law helped are or you know I work with kids
helped are or you know I work with kids
helped are or you know I work with kids or I see that the counter and people are
or I see that the counter and people are
or I see that the counter and people are not able to pay the whatever the library
not able to pay the whatever the library
not able to pay the whatever the library fee or whatever it is and I ask them why
fee or whatever it is and I ask them why
fee or whatever it is and I ask them why and 80% of them tell me it’s because of
and 80% of them tell me it’s because of
and 80% of them tell me it’s because of this issue I’m gonna be curious and I’m
this issue I’m gonna be curious and I’m
this issue I’m gonna be curious and I’m gonna go to read and next time somebody
gonna go to read and next time somebody
gonna go to read and next time somebody comes I’m gonna say hey go read this
comes I’m gonna say hey go read this
comes I’m gonna say hey go read this here or hey there’s this website so be
here or hey there’s this website so be
here or hey there’s this website so be the person that becomes the resource for
the person that becomes the resource for
the person that becomes the resource for your community the other thing is if
your community the other thing is if
your community the other thing is if you’re feeling the problem yourself you
you’re feeling the problem yourself you
you’re feeling the problem yourself you may be feeling really stressed out you
may be feeling really stressed out you
may be feeling really stressed out you may have even sought legal aid you may
may have even sought legal aid you may
may have even sought legal aid you may have even called and they probably maybe
have even called and they probably maybe
have even called and they probably maybe told you sorry we can’t help you you
told you sorry we can’t help you you
told you sorry we can’t help you you know it’s not the type of case we take
know it’s not the type of case we take
know it’s not the type of case we take or we don’t you know our lawyers are not
or we don’t you know our lawyers are not
or we don’t you know our lawyers are not available for that date don’t give up
available for that date don’t give up
available for that date don’t give up there’s not enough lawyers so don’t give
there’s not enough lawyers so don’t give
there’s not enough lawyers so don’t give up figure out how you’re going to avail
up figure out how you’re going to avail
up figure out how you’re going to avail yourself of the additional information
yourself of the additional information
yourself of the additional information or ask somebody that you trust for help
or ask somebody that you trust for help
or ask somebody that you trust for help the other thing is if you’re working in
the other thing is if you’re working in
the other thing is if you’re working in the nonprofit sector or in the
the nonprofit sector or in the
the nonprofit sector or in the government sector talk to your phone
government sector talk to your phone
government sector talk to your phone maybe you can open a door maybe you can
maybe you can open a door maybe you can
maybe you can open a door maybe you can start a collaboration with your local
start a collaboration with your local
start a collaboration with your local legal aid or a statewide legal aid or
legal aid or a statewide legal aid or
legal aid or a statewide legal aid or legal aid that specializes in a
legal aid that specializes in a
legal aid that specializes in a particular type of problem you know the
particular type of problem you know the
particular type of problem you know the other thing is because these groups
other thing is because these groups
other thing is because these groups recognize that there’s not enough of
recognize that there’s not enough of
recognize that there’s not enough of them they do realize that training and
them they do realize that training and
them they do realize that training and outreach is super important if you have
outreach is super important if you have
outreach is super important if you have a lot of people in your organization
a lot of people in your organization
a lot of people in your organization that are coming in with the same problem
that are coming in with the same problem
that are coming in with the same problem request the training if you assure them
request the training if you assure them
request the training if you assure them that you will bring enough people to
that you will bring enough people to
that you will bring enough people to make it worth their while they will go
make it worth their while they will go
make it worth their while they will go and they will train you in a particular
and they will train you in a particular
and they will train you in a particular poverty law area or civil area and it
poverty law area or civil area and it
poverty law area or civil area and it will do it for free because to them the
will do it for free because to them the
will do it for free because to them the more people that know about the law the
more people that know about the law the
more people that know about the law the less problems the less the less calls to
less problems the less the less calls to
less problems the less the less calls to the hotline the better outcomes for
the hotline the better outcomes for
the hotline the better outcomes for everyone because nobody likes to say no
everyone because nobody likes to say no
everyone because nobody likes to say no right like who wants to be saying no we
right like who wants to be saying no we
right like who wants to be saying no we can help you so you know get together
can help you so you know get together
can help you so you know get together with people that you’re working with and
with people that you’re working with and
with people that you’re working with and request training and become a legal aid
request training and become a legal aid
request training and become a legal aid Ally Facebook Twitter all of these tools
Ally Facebook Twitter all of these tools
Ally Facebook Twitter all of these tools are also being used to share the world
are also being used to share the world
are also being used to share the world and these groups are coming with very
and these groups are coming with very
and these groups are coming with very innovative ways of providing services so
innovative ways of providing services so
innovative ways of providing services so if they’re doing a workshop on the
if they’re doing a workshop on the
if they’re doing a workshop on the weekend if they’re doing something at
weekend if they’re doing something at
weekend if they’re doing something at the library and follow them on Twitter
the library and follow them on Twitter
the library and follow them on Twitter follow them on Facebook you never know
follow them on Facebook you never know
follow them on Facebook you never know when you’re going to see something that
when you’re going to see something that
when you’re going to see something that somebody in your community needs so just
somebody in your community needs so just
somebody in your community needs so just to end I think that the only way we’re
to end I think that the only way we’re
to end I think that the only way we’re gonna close the justice gap is if we do
gonna close the justice gap is if we do
gonna close the justice gap is if we do it together and we do it as a community
it together and we do it as a community
it together and we do it as a community thank you
thank you
thank you [Applause]
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