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for several months this was what my

for several months this was what my workplace every morning I’d get up and

workplace every morning I’d get up and

workplace every morning I’d get up and I’d walk through this gate into naka

I’d walk through this gate into naka

I’d walk through this gate into naka Valley Hospital in a very rural area of

Valley Hospital in a very rural area of

Valley Hospital in a very rural area of Uganda walking through this gate changed

Uganda walking through this gate changed

Uganda walking through this gate changed my life and it brought me to where I am

my life and it brought me to where I am

my life and it brought me to where I am today here in this area of Uganda

today here in this area of Uganda

today here in this area of Uganda malnutrition was so common among

malnutrition was so common among

malnutrition was so common among children that it wasn’t even viewed as a

children that it wasn’t even viewed as a

children that it wasn’t even viewed as a health condition it was just seen as

health condition it was just seen as

health condition it was just seen as part of the way that children grow up

part of the way that children grow up

part of the way that children grow up but we know that if it’s left untreated

but we know that if it’s left untreated

but we know that if it’s left untreated malnutrition has serious consequences

malnutrition has serious consequences

malnutrition has serious consequences and worldwide a child dies of

and worldwide a child dies of

and worldwide a child dies of malnutrition every six seconds we know

malnutrition every six seconds we know

malnutrition every six seconds we know that every single one of these deaths is

that every single one of these deaths is

that every single one of these deaths is preventable so we worked with hospital

preventable so we worked with hospital

preventable so we worked with hospital staff to set up a malnutrition treatment

staff to set up a malnutrition treatment

staff to set up a malnutrition treatment center at the hospital to try to avoid

center at the hospital to try to avoid

center at the hospital to try to avoid these preventable deaths one of the

these preventable deaths one of the

these preventable deaths one of the first patients that came into the clinic

first patients that came into the clinic

first patients that came into the clinic was Ronnie when his parents brought him

was Ronnie when his parents brought him

was Ronnie when his parents brought him in Ronnie was so weak and malnourished

in Ronnie was so weak and malnourished

in Ronnie was so weak and malnourished that he could hardly move and his

that he could hardly move and his

that he could hardly move and his parents didn’t think he’d survive even a

parents didn’t think he’d survive even a

parents didn’t think he’d survive even a few more days the nurses started him on

few more days the nurses started him on

few more days the nurses started him on an infant feeding program and he started

an infant feeding program and he started

an infant feeding program and he started to gain weight and he was discharged

to gain weight and he was discharged

to gain weight and he was discharged from the hospital within a few weeks so

from the hospital within a few weeks so

from the hospital within a few weeks so a few months later we walked through the

a few months later we walked through the

a few months later we walked through the villages to visit Ronnie and his family

villages to visit Ronnie and his family

villages to visit Ronnie and his family to see how he was doing we brought along

to see how he was doing we brought along

to see how he was doing we brought along rations of Plumpy’nut

rations of Plumpy’nut

rations of Plumpy’nut a therapeutic food to keep him

a therapeutic food to keep him

a therapeutic food to keep him continuing on his treatment outside of

continuing on his treatment outside of

continuing on his treatment outside of the hospital when we did a health

the hospital when we did a health

the hospital when we did a health assessment of Ronnie we saw that he

assessment of Ronnie we saw that he

assessment of Ronnie we saw that he still did have signs of malnutrition but

still did have signs of malnutrition but

still did have signs of malnutrition but that he was absolutely on the path to

that he was absolutely on the path to

that he was absolutely on the path to recovery and he’d completely turned

recovery and he’d completely turned

recovery and he’d completely turned around from just a few weeks earlier

this experience changed my course it was

this experience changed my course it was absolutely heart-wrenching seeing

absolutely heart-wrenching seeing

absolutely heart-wrenching seeing children so young lose their lives in

children so young lose their lives in

children so young lose their lives in the hospital knowing that each one of

the hospital knowing that each one of

the hospital knowing that each one of those deaths could have been prevented

those deaths could have been prevented

those deaths could have been prevented and I knew that there were thousands of

and I knew that there were thousands of

and I knew that there were thousands of children like Ronnie out there who might

children like Ronnie out there who might

children like Ronnie out there who might not have a chance at a healthy childhood

not have a chance at a healthy childhood

not have a chance at a healthy childhood but the success we saw in children like

but the success we saw in children like

but the success we saw in children like Ronnie was inspiring and empowering and

Ronnie was inspiring and empowering and

Ronnie was inspiring and empowering and from that experience I learned that I

from that experience I learned that I

from that experience I learned that I wanted to pursue a career in public

wanted to pursue a career in public

wanted to pursue a career in public health so that brought me to the

health so that brought me to the

health so that brought me to the Australian National University where

Australian National University where

Australian National University where I’ve been doing population health

I’ve been doing population health

I’ve been doing population health research focused on improving the health

research focused on improving the health

research focused on improving the health and

and

and well being of Aboriginal and Torres

well being of Aboriginal and Torres

well being of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children so before I go

Strait Islander children so before I go

Strait Islander children so before I go any further I’d just like to follow to

any further I’d just like to follow to

any further I’d just like to follow to acknowledge the traditional owners of

acknowledge the traditional owners of

acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which we meet the Ngunnawal

the land on which we meet the Ngunnawal

the land on which we meet the Ngunnawal people and I’d like to pay my respect to

people and I’d like to pay my respect to

people and I’d like to pay my respect to elders past present and future I like to

elders past present and future I like to

elders past present and future I like to acknowledge all Aboriginal and Torres

acknowledge all Aboriginal and Torres

acknowledge all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people who are with us

Strait Islander people who are with us

Strait Islander people who are with us today I’d also like to take a moment to

today I’d also like to take a moment to

today I’d also like to take a moment to recognize my colleague and friend ray

recognize my colleague and friend ray

recognize my colleague and friend ray Lovett who’s contributed to the ideas

Lovett who’s contributed to the ideas

Lovett who’s contributed to the ideas that I’ll be speaking about today each

that I’ll be speaking about today each

that I’ll be speaking about today each color here represents a distinct

color here represents a distinct

color here represents a distinct Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander

Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander

Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander nation each with their own unique and

nation each with their own unique and

nation each with their own unique and distinct cultures and languages many of

distinct cultures and languages many of

distinct cultures and languages many of these languages are still spoken today

these languages are still spoken today

these languages are still spoken today and these cultures are among the oldest

and these cultures are among the oldest

and these cultures are among the oldest continuing cultures in the world but

continuing cultures in the world but

continuing cultures in the world but these strengths aren’t what we hear

these strengths aren’t what we hear

these strengths aren’t what we hear about in the media today so today I’ll

about in the media today so today I’ll

about in the media today so today I’ll be talking to you about how we currently

be talking to you about how we currently

be talking to you about how we currently report on Aboriginal health and

report on Aboriginal health and

report on Aboriginal health and well-being how we define success and

well-being how we define success and

well-being how we define success and what we might do instead so when you

what we might do instead so when you

what we might do instead so when you think about Aboriginal health the first

think about Aboriginal health the first

think about Aboriginal health the first thing that probably comes to mind is

thing that probably comes to mind is

thing that probably comes to mind is closing the gap you might think of all

closing the gap you might think of all

closing the gap you might think of all the areas in which we see deficits

the areas in which we see deficits

the areas in which we see deficits shortfalls and gaps in Aboriginal health

shortfalls and gaps in Aboriginal health

shortfalls and gaps in Aboriginal health compared to the non-indigenous

compared to the non-indigenous

compared to the non-indigenous population and that’s what we hear in

population and that’s what we hear in

population and that’s what we hear in the news that’s what’s always in the

the news that’s what’s always in the

the news that’s what’s always in the media and what we tend to hear seems to

media and what we tend to hear seems to

media and what we tend to hear seems to always be about the negatives and so

always be about the negatives and so

always be about the negatives and so some researchers went out and tested

some researchers went out and tested

some researchers went out and tested this so they analyzed media articles

this so they analyzed media articles

this so they analyzed media articles about Aboriginal health to see how many

about Aboriginal health to see how many

about Aboriginal health to see how many we’re talking about Aboriginal health in

we’re talking about Aboriginal health in

we’re talking about Aboriginal health in a positive way a negative way or neutral

a positive way a negative way or neutral

a positive way a negative way or neutral so what they found is probably no

so what they found is probably no

so what they found is probably no surprise overwhelmingly what we hear in

surprise overwhelmingly what we hear in

surprise overwhelmingly what we hear in the media about Aboriginal health is

the media about Aboriginal health is

the media about Aboriginal health is negative more than three-quarters of the

negative more than three-quarters of the

negative more than three-quarters of the stories focus on Aboriginal health in a

stories focus on Aboriginal health in a

stories focus on Aboriginal health in a negative way only 15 percent highlighted

negative way only 15 percent highlighted

negative way only 15 percent highlighted any positive elements of Aboriginal

any positive elements of Aboriginal

any positive elements of Aboriginal health so what does it matter what does

health so what does it matter what does

health so what does it matter what does it matter that we keep hearing about

it matter that we keep hearing about

it matter that we keep hearing about these negatives in the media first this

these negatives in the media first this

these negatives in the media first this perpetuates a negative stereotypes about

perpetuates a negative stereotypes about

perpetuates a negative stereotypes about Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people and this can fuel discrimination

people and this can fuel discrimination

people and this can fuel discrimination and racist behaviors second Aboriginal

and racist behaviors second Aboriginal

and racist behaviors second Aboriginal people can lose self-esteem and can lose

people can lose self-esteem and can lose

people can lose self-esteem and can lose have negative impacts to the social and

have negative impacts to the social and

have negative impacts to the social and emotional well-being from always hearing

emotional well-being from always hearing

emotional well-being from always hearing about that people told about in a

about that people told about in a

about that people told about in a negative

negative

negative way they might start to feel shame about

way they might start to feel shame about

way they might start to feel shame about being Aboriginal based on the way that

being Aboriginal based on the way that

being Aboriginal based on the way that it’s crip trade in the media and what

it’s crip trade in the media and what

it’s crip trade in the media and what this means

this means

this means both of these can then impact negatively

both of these can then impact negatively

both of these can then impact negatively on factors that we know protect against

on factors that we know protect against

on factors that we know protect against our protect our health if you’re afraid

our protect our health if you’re afraid

our protect our health if you’re afraid of experiencing discrimination you might

of experiencing discrimination you might

of experiencing discrimination you might avoid accessing our service or if you do

avoid accessing our service or if you do

avoid accessing our service or if you do go to the health service you may be

go to the health service you may be

go to the health service you may be treated unfairly and not receive

treated unfairly and not receive

treated unfairly and not receive recommended treatment or maybe as a

recommended treatment or maybe as a

recommended treatment or maybe as a coping strategy to deal with your stress

coping strategy to deal with your stress

coping strategy to deal with your stress and your races experience of the racism

and your races experience of the racism

and your races experience of the racism maybe you smoke or use alcohol so that

maybe you smoke or use alcohol so that

maybe you smoke or use alcohol so that in turn all of these factors then lead

in turn all of these factors then lead

in turn all of these factors then lead to poor health outcomes so this constant

to poor health outcomes so this constant

to poor health outcomes so this constant focus on the negatives and the gaps only

focus on the negatives and the gaps only

focus on the negatives and the gaps only serves to make these gaps wider and to

serves to make these gaps wider and to

serves to make these gaps wider and to repair away this inequality so when we

repair away this inequality so when we

repair away this inequality so when we think about the closing the gap strategy

think about the closing the gap strategy

think about the closing the gap strategy we define success as when Aboriginal

we define success as when Aboriginal

we define success as when Aboriginal health matches that of the

health matches that of the

health matches that of the non-indigenous population this is

non-indigenous population this is

non-indigenous population this is undeniably an important goal and

undeniably an important goal and

undeniably an important goal and something to work towards but this

something to work towards but this

something to work towards but this shouldn’t be the only way that we define

shouldn’t be the only way that we define

shouldn’t be the only way that we define success we could just define success as

success we could just define success as

success we could just define success as a time in which we see improvement in

a time in which we see improvement in

a time in which we see improvement in Aboriginal health and well-being without

Aboriginal health and well-being without

Aboriginal health and well-being without looking and focusing on this comparison

looking and focusing on this comparison

looking and focusing on this comparison first so I’ll go through two examples of

first so I’ll go through two examples of

first so I’ll go through two examples of when this goal of closing the gap

when this goal of closing the gap

when this goal of closing the gap doesn’t actually align with the school’s

doesn’t actually align with the school’s

doesn’t actually align with the school’s working goal of health improvement so

working goal of health improvement so

working goal of health improvement so this graph shows that that that closes

this graph shows that that that closes

this graph shows that that that closes over time if you look in the 1990s the

over time if you look in the 1990s the

over time if you look in the 1990s the gap between the two lines is bigger than

gap between the two lines is bigger than

gap between the two lines is bigger than the gap is in the 2000s so we take it

the gap is in the 2000s so we take it

the gap is in the 2000s so we take it closing the gap frame we see this as

closing the gap frame we see this as

closing the gap frame we see this as success we see that we’ve closed we’re

success we see that we’ve closed we’re

success we see that we’ve closed we’re working towards closing this gap what if

working towards closing this gap what if

working towards closing this gap what if I told you that this gap was showing the

I told you that this gap was showing the

I told you that this gap was showing the prevalence of gestational diabetes among

prevalence of gestational diabetes among

prevalence of gestational diabetes among Aboriginal mothers and non-indigenous

Aboriginal mothers and non-indigenous

Aboriginal mothers and non-indigenous mothers then is this really what success

mothers then is this really what success

mothers then is this really what success looks like what this graph shows us is

looks like what this graph shows us is

looks like what this graph shows us is that both Aboriginal mothers and

that both Aboriginal mothers and

that both Aboriginal mothers and non-indigenous mothers are getting worse

non-indigenous mothers are getting worse

non-indigenous mothers are getting worse off we see that the gaps closing over

off we see that the gaps closing over

off we see that the gaps closing over time but that’s only because the health

time but that’s only because the health

time but that’s only because the health of non-indigenous mothers is getting

of non-indigenous mothers is getting

of non-indigenous mothers is getting worse more quickly than the health of

worse more quickly than the health of

worse more quickly than the health of Aboriginal mothers so in relative terms

Aboriginal mothers so in relative terms

Aboriginal mothers so in relative terms we see that the gap is closing but in

we see that the gap is closing but in

we see that the gap is closing but in absolute terms both groups are worse off

absolute terms both groups are worse off

absolute terms both groups are worse off so to me this is certainly not what

so to me this is certainly not what

so to me this is certainly not what success looks like

success looks like

success looks like so let’s try another example this graph

so let’s try another example this graph

so let’s try another example this graph shows the prevalence of smoking among

shows the prevalence of smoking among

shows the prevalence of smoking among Aboriginal dots and the total Australian

Aboriginal dots and the total Australian

Aboriginal dots and the total Australian population in 1994 2004 and 2014 so we

population in 1994 2004 and 2014 so we

population in 1994 2004 and 2014 so we can see that the prevalence of smoking

can see that the prevalence of smoking

can see that the prevalence of smoking has dropped from over 50 percent in 1994

has dropped from over 50 percent in 1994

has dropped from over 50 percent in 1994 down to about 40 percent in 2014 for our

down to about 40 percent in 2014 for our

down to about 40 percent in 2014 for our Aboriginal adults in the total

Aboriginal adults in the total

Aboriginal adults in the total Australian population smoking stops from

Australian population smoking stops from

Australian population smoking stops from about 30 percent down to 15 percent when

about 30 percent down to 15 percent when

about 30 percent down to 15 percent when we focus on the gap between these lines

we focus on the gap between these lines

we focus on the gap between these lines we see that it hasn’t changed much over

we see that it hasn’t changed much over

we see that it hasn’t changed much over the past two decades I each of these

the past two decades I each of these

the past two decades I each of these three time points the prevalence of

three time points the prevalence of

three time points the prevalence of smoking is about 25 percent higher among

smoking is about 25 percent higher among

smoking is about 25 percent higher among average and little adults so when we

average and little adults so when we

average and little adults so when we look at this in terms of closing the gap

look at this in terms of closing the gap

look at this in terms of closing the gap we might say that there’s been little if

we might say that there’s been little if

we might say that there’s been little if any progress made but what if we told

any progress made but what if we told

any progress made but what if we told this story a different way what if

this story a different way what if

this story a different way what if rather than focusing on the gap we

rather than focusing on the gap we

rather than focusing on the gap we focused on the health of our Aboriginal

focused on the health of our Aboriginal

focused on the health of our Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Australians

and Torres Strait Islander Australians

and Torres Strait Islander Australians what if we take away the gap and we take

what if we take away the gap and we take

what if we take away the gap and we take away the comparison then what we see is

away the comparison then what we see is

away the comparison then what we see is a 14 percent prevalence reduction of

a 14 percent prevalence reduction of

a 14 percent prevalence reduction of smoking among Aboriginal adults what

smoking among Aboriginal adults what

smoking among Aboriginal adults what this means is that there’s 50,000 fewer

this means is that there’s 50,000 fewer

this means is that there’s 50,000 fewer Aboriginal smokers today than they would

Aboriginal smokers today than they would

Aboriginal smokers today than they would have been if the prevalence stayed the

have been if the prevalence stayed the

have been if the prevalence stayed the same so what this means is that tens of

same so what this means is that tens of

same so what this means is that tens of thousands of prevent from people through

thousands of prevent from people through

thousands of prevent from people through the smoking reduction so to me that’s

the smoking reduction so to me that’s

the smoking reduction so to me that’s what success looks like when we focus on

what success looks like when we focus on

what success looks like when we focus on the gaps when we focus on the

the gaps when we focus on the

the gaps when we focus on the inequalities we lose sight of the people

inequalities we lose sight of the people

inequalities we lose sight of the people that these statistics represent when all

that these statistics represent when all

that these statistics represent when all we do is look at the gap we lose sight

we do is look at the gap we lose sight

we do is look at the gap we lose sight of these ten thousands of lives that

of these ten thousands of lives that

of these ten thousands of lives that have been saved so of course there’s

have been saved so of course there’s

have been saved so of course there’s often times where it’s valuable and

often times where it’s valuable and

often times where it’s valuable and important to compare populations and

important to compare populations and

important to compare populations and there’s absolutely value in the closing

there’s absolutely value in the closing

there’s absolutely value in the closing the gap campaign these comparisons and

the gap campaign these comparisons and

the gap campaign these comparisons and budget marks help us to see how things

budget marks help us to see how things

budget marks help us to see how things are going to see areas where we might

are going to see areas where we might

are going to see areas where we might need extra work and to see where things

need extra work and to see where things

need extra work and to see where things are going well but this shouldn’t be the

are going well but this shouldn’t be the

are going well but this shouldn’t be the only way we define success and this

only way we define success and this

only way we define success and this shouldn’t be the only side of the story

shouldn’t be the only side of the story

shouldn’t be the only side of the story that we hear we shouldn’t only hear

that we hear we shouldn’t only hear

that we hear we shouldn’t only hear these negatives in the media we should

these negatives in the media we should

these negatives in the media we should be looking and listening to positive

be looking and listening to positive

be looking and listening to positive stories of progress and success and

stories of progress and success and

stories of progress and success and valuing these stories

valuing these stories

valuing these stories so today I challenge you to question the

so today I challenge you to question the

so today I challenge you to question the negatives and the comparisons you hear I

negatives and the comparisons you hear I

negatives and the comparisons you hear I challenge you to find the other side to

challenge you to find the other side to

challenge you to find the other side to that story I challenge you to find what

that story I challenge you to find what

that story I challenge you to find what strengths and successes might have been

strengths and successes might have been

strengths and successes might have been left out of the story that you’re

left out of the story that you’re

left out of the story that you’re hearing so to me the goal is not to

hearing so to me the goal is not to

hearing so to me the goal is not to improve the health of one population

improve the health of one population

improve the health of one population relative to the other to me the goal is

relative to the other to me the goal is

relative to the other to me the goal is to improve health . so to bring us back

to improve health . so to bring us back

to improve health . so to bring us back to the beginning at the end of my time

to the beginning at the end of my time

to the beginning at the end of my time in uganda there was a knock at the door

in uganda there was a knock at the door

in uganda there was a knock at the door of the hospital this time it was ronnie

of the hospital this time it was ronnie

of the hospital this time it was ronnie in his family had come to visit us

in his family had come to visit us

in his family had come to visit us ronnie was walking and talking and

ronnie was walking and talking and

ronnie was walking and talking and smiling this time rather than us

smiling this time rather than us

smiling this time rather than us bringing ronnie his therapeutic food

bringing ronnie his therapeutic food

bringing ronnie his therapeutic food Ronnie’s family had brought us a basket

Ronnie’s family had brought us a basket

Ronnie’s family had brought us a basket of food from their own very limited

of food from their own very limited

of food from their own very limited supply to thank the hospital for

supply to thank the hospital for

supply to thank the hospital for changing Ronnie’s life to me this is

changing Ronnie’s life to me this is

changing Ronnie’s life to me this is what success looks like Ronnie’s success

what success looks like Ronnie’s success

what success looks like Ronnie’s success shouldn’t be discounted compared to

shouldn’t be discounted compared to

shouldn’t be discounted compared to other children who might be doing better

other children who might be doing better

other children who might be doing better and his progress shouldn’t be forgotten

and his progress shouldn’t be forgotten

and his progress shouldn’t be forgotten about just because the malnutrition is

about just because the malnutrition is

about just because the malnutrition is still common in his community to me

still common in his community to me

still common in his community to me Ronnie’s progress and any other health

Ronnie’s progress and any other health

Ronnie’s progress and any other health improvement is something to be

improvement is something to be

improvement is something to be celebrated

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