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could have a quick show of hands how

could have a quick show of hands how many people here actually live in the

many people here actually live in the

many people here actually live in the borough of Kingston that’s pretty good

borough of Kingston that’s pretty good

borough of Kingston that’s pretty good okay can we put your hands up again if

okay can we put your hands up again if

okay can we put your hands up again if you live in the boro kingston and you’re

you live in the boro kingston and you’re

you live in the boro kingston and you’re not a student here yes pretty good well

not a student here yes pretty good well

not a student here yes pretty good well see thing interesting about use it you

see thing interesting about use it you

see thing interesting about use it you pay tax to me and we pay a lot of tax in

pay tax to me and we pay a lot of tax in

pay tax to me and we pay a lot of tax in Kingston an awful lot of tax and I often

Kingston an awful lot of tax and I often

Kingston an awful lot of tax and I often wonder why is that people want to come

wonder why is that people want to come

wonder why is that people want to come and live in the boro because obviously

and live in the boro because obviously

and live in the boro because obviously we do we do charge of our attacks and

we do we do charge of our attacks and

we do we do charge of our attacks and housing is very very expensive in

housing is very very expensive in

housing is very very expensive in Kingston I wonder why is that people

Kingston I wonder why is that people

Kingston I wonder why is that people want to move here so I’m going to give

want to move here so I’m going to give

want to move here so I’m going to give it a bit of a story about what I think

it a bit of a story about what I think

it a bit of a story about what I think some of that is and why kinks are such a

some of that is and why kinks are such a

some of that is and why kinks are such a great place and we’re going to move on

great place and we’re going to move on

great place and we’re going to move on and talk about what’s going on in London

and talk about what’s going on in London

and talk about what’s going on in London and how that affects us and what we’re

and how that affects us and what we’re

and how that affects us and what we’re going to do about it as well there’s

going to do about it as well there’s

going to do about it as well there’s nothing that’s a really interesting

nothing that’s a really interesting

nothing that’s a really interesting aspect of it so London’s are enormously

aspect of it so London’s are enormously

aspect of it so London’s are enormously historic i think i should say this that

historic i think i should say this that

historic i think i should say this that is the most important place in london of

is the most important place in london of

is the most important place in london of course I’m supposed to say that as a

course I’m supposed to say that as a

course I’m supposed to say that as a lead of the council but I certainly

lead of the council but I certainly

lead of the council but I certainly believe it very much if you go back

believe it very much if you go back

believe it very much if you go back 1,200 years we’d have been underwater

1,200 years we’d have been underwater

1,200 years we’d have been underwater here put down a quite a lot of water

here put down a quite a lot of water

here put down a quite a lot of water actually because at that time the only

actually because at that time the only

actually because at that time the only bits of Kingston that were above water

bits of Kingston that were above water

bits of Kingston that were above water worth what were the Royal Enclosure

worth what were the Royal Enclosure

worth what were the Royal Enclosure which is what you see now today’s the

which is what you see now today’s the

which is what you see now today’s the marketplace in the market house and the

marketplace in the market house and the

marketplace in the market house and the church of all saints which sits in the

church of all saints which sits in the

church of all saints which sits in the middle and it was surrounded by this

middle and it was surrounded by this

middle and it was surrounded by this water it was in very very important

water it was in very very important

water it was in very very important place in London because it was the only

place in London because it was the only

place in London because it was the only other river crossing bridge across the

other river crossing bridge across the

other river crossing bridge across the river other than London Bridge which is

river other than London Bridge which is

river other than London Bridge which is obviously much further up river so it

obviously much further up river so it

obviously much further up river so it incredibly important very historic in

incredibly important very historic in

incredibly important very historic in about 8 28 the King’s came together here

about 8 28 the King’s came together here

about 8 28 the King’s came together here with the archbishop see a note and

with the archbishop see a note and

with the archbishop see a note and struck a deal basically the deal was how

struck a deal basically the deal was how

struck a deal basically the deal was how do we divide up the country how do what

do we divide up the country how do what

do we divide up the country how do what do we do and what do you do is the

do we do and what do you do is the

do we do and what do you do is the bishops and the church and what does the

bishops and the church and what does the

bishops and the church and what does the monarchy do over here and it’s divided

monarchy do over here and it’s divided

monarchy do over here and it’s divided up this this you know such a way that

up this this you know such a way that

up this this you know such a way that the history of that has stuck with us

the history of that has stuck with us

the history of that has stuck with us even to today so the reason that you get

even to today so the reason that you get

even to today so the reason that you get bishops that sits in the House of Lords

bishops that sits in the House of Lords

bishops that sits in the House of Lords at the moment is because of that deal

at the moment is because of that deal

at the moment is because of that deal that was done in Kingston in 925 all of

that was done in Kingston in 925 all of

that was done in Kingston in 925 all of those kings came together well most of

those kings came together well most of

those kings came together well most of them actually been killed off by

them actually been killed off by

them actually been killed off by one king but they came together a crown

one king but they came together a crown

one king but they came together a crown one king alone the first King of England

one king alone the first King of England

one king alone the first King of England crown here in Kingston in about nine to

crown here in Kingston in about nine to

crown here in Kingston in about nine to eight they’re very very historic is when

eight they’re very very historic is when

eight they’re very very historic is when they first anointed a king which you

they first anointed a king which you

they first anointed a king which you seen still see today in the crowning of

seen still see today in the crowning of

seen still see today in the crowning of Kings in Westminster Abbey and in fact

Kings in Westminster Abbey and in fact

Kings in Westminster Abbey and in fact all the kings of England work round here

all the kings of England work round here

all the kings of England work round here until William the Conqueror came along

until William the Conqueror came along

until William the Conqueror came along and rather unfortunately decided that

and rather unfortunately decided that

and rather unfortunately decided that Kingston was kind of not at his place

Kingston was kind of not at his place

Kingston was kind of not at his place and when I thought to Westminster and

and when I thought to Westminster and

and when I thought to Westminster and built Westminster Abbey and from then on

built Westminster Abbey and from then on

built Westminster Abbey and from then on in their crown kings in that town so

in their crown kings in that town so

in their crown kings in that town so this is why Kingston is such a historic

this is why Kingston is such a historic

this is why Kingston is such a historic place it’s at a rich history it didn’t

place it’s at a rich history it didn’t

place it’s at a rich history it didn’t stop there it obviously had a massively

stop there it obviously had a massively

stop there it obviously had a massively important role in the aircraft industry

important role in the aircraft industry

important role in the aircraft industry it was certainly active in even during

it was certainly active in even during

it was certainly active in even during the First World War in creating planes

the First World War in creating planes

the First World War in creating planes and Second World War looks very well

and Second World War looks very well

and Second World War looks very well known for the Jump Jet the harrier jump

known for the Jump Jet the harrier jump

known for the Jump Jet the harrier jump jet which is built here up until i think

jet which is built here up until i think

jet which is built here up until i think it was the late 80s Early 90s when the

it was the late 80s Early 90s when the

it was the late 80s Early 90s when the factory closed here massive history

factory closed here massive history

factory closed here massive history their huge role in surbiton around

their huge role in surbiton around

their huge role in surbiton around hearing cholera first clean water coming

hearing cholera first clean water coming

hearing cholera first clean water coming out of there from the works that you now

out of there from the works that you now

out of there from the works that you now see down there and used much by the

see down there and used much by the

see down there and used much by the University so massive history there’s

University so massive history there’s

University so massive history there’s existed in Kingston it’s part of the

existed in Kingston it’s part of the

existed in Kingston it’s part of the reason why it is such a great place is

reason why it is such a great place is

reason why it is such a great place is also unique Kingston because has so many

also unique Kingston because has so many

also unique Kingston because has so many things within its boundary there’s no

things within its boundary there’s no

things within its boundary there’s no other borrower in London that actually

other borrower in London that actually

other borrower in London that actually has within it everything it’s got this

has within it everything it’s got this

has within it everything it’s got this University the crown court all of the

University the crown court all of the

University the crown court all of the acts excellent schools of college a

acts excellent schools of college a

acts excellent schools of college a river the best shopping outside the west

river the best shopping outside the west

river the best shopping outside the west end it is the biggest retail place

end it is the biggest retail place

end it is the biggest retail place outside the West End knocks socks off

outside the West End knocks socks off

outside the West End knocks socks off Croydon and the rest of them it’s

Croydon and the rest of them it’s

Croydon and the rest of them it’s fantastic here down the south of the bar

fantastic here down the south of the bar

fantastic here down the south of the bar you’ve got rolling hills I mean I am go

you’ve got rolling hills I mean I am go

you’ve got rolling hills I mean I am go down there sometimes to have meetings

down there sometimes to have meetings

down there sometimes to have meetings with and meet residents down there I’m

with and meet residents down there I’m

with and meet residents down there I’m discussing ditch clearing you know which

discussing ditch clearing you know which

discussing ditch clearing you know which is not really something I expect the

is not really something I expect the

is not really something I expect the London borough leaders have discussed

London borough leaders have discussed

London borough leaders have discussed with every resident is clearing out

with every resident is clearing out

with every resident is clearing out bitches but it is an enormously diverse

bitches but it is an enormously diverse

bitches but it is an enormously diverse place I often said you could stick a

place I often said you could stick a

place I often said you could stick a wall around Kingston and it would

wall around Kingston and it would

wall around Kingston and it would probably survived quite happily without

probably survived quite happily without

probably survived quite happily without ever having to talk to anybody else ever

ever having to talk to anybody else ever

ever having to talk to anybody else ever again I put a ring on a funny little hat

again I put a ring on a funny little hat

again I put a ring on a funny little hat and I call myself Pope

and I call myself Pope

and I call myself Pope but anyway it is a brilliant place to

but anyway it is a brilliant place to

but anyway it is a brilliant place to live but the thing about kingston is as

live but the thing about kingston is as

live but the thing about kingston is as you probably realize from what I’ve said

you probably realize from what I’ve said

you probably realize from what I’ve said to you is that it’s changed is

to you is that it’s changed is

to you is that it’s changed is constantly constantly changed change the

constantly constantly changed change the

constantly constantly changed change the way that people live here the history of

way that people live here the history of

way that people live here the history of it has changed the place it is it shapes

it has changed the place it is it shapes

it has changed the place it is it shapes fit in the way that it does and actually

fit in the way that it does and actually

fit in the way that it does and actually Kingston is going through another

Kingston is going through another

Kingston is going through another massively dramatic change which is not

massively dramatic change which is not

massively dramatic change which is not always noticed but it’s part of this

always noticed but it’s part of this

always noticed but it’s part of this huge context of the change that’s

huge context of the change that’s

huge context of the change that’s happening in London 18 months ago when

happening in London 18 months ago when

happening in London 18 months ago when Boris was still the mayor he held a

Boris was still the mayor he held a

Boris was still the mayor he held a celebration in City Hall at the top of

celebration in City Hall at the top of

celebration in City Hall at the top of City Hall overlooking a tower bridge he

City Hall overlooking a tower bridge he

City Hall overlooking a tower bridge he bought together whole bunch of the

bought together whole bunch of the

bought together whole bunch of the borough leaders and others who are

borough leaders and others who are

borough leaders and others who are important across London he considered to

important across London he considered to

important across London he considered to be important across London to celebrate

be important across London to celebrate

be important across London to celebrate the fact that London had reached 8.6

the fact that London had reached 8.6

the fact that London had reached 8.6 million people living here one of the

million people living here one of the

million people living here one of the largest cities in the world certainly

largest cities in the world certainly

largest cities in the world certainly one of the largest in Europe but

one of the largest in Europe but

one of the largest in Europe but actually we’d reached it again because

actually we’d reached it again because

actually we’d reached it again because that fact we previously been that size

that fact we previously been that size

that fact we previously been that size eight point six million back prior to

eight point six million back prior to

eight point six million back prior to the Second World War that 1939 and after

the Second World War that 1939 and after

the Second World War that 1939 and after the war we fled London we all started to

the war we fled London we all started to

the war we fled London we all started to move out of London move away we felt the

move out of London move away we felt the

move out of London move away we felt the countryside was a better place to be and

countryside was a better place to be and

countryside was a better place to be and it was a changing environment now to a

it was a changing environment now to a

it was a changing environment now to a ver a variety of reasons one is that

ver a variety of reasons one is that

ver a variety of reasons one is that obviously we’ve got more people moving

obviously we’ve got more people moving

obviously we’ve got more people moving here from over abroad it also got an

here from over abroad it also got an

here from over abroad it also got an aging population buts that’s continuing

aging population buts that’s continuing

aging population buts that’s continuing to live in the boro so you know many

to live in the boro so you know many

to live in the boro so you know many many people who retire don’t now set up

many people who retire don’t now set up

many people who retire don’t now set up here and disappear off down to Dorset

here and disappear off down to Dorset

here and disappear off down to Dorset and live in that lovely sort of thatched

and live in that lovely sort of thatched

and live in that lovely sort of thatched box in the middle of a field because

box in the middle of a field because

box in the middle of a field because when you’re ninety five living in a fast

when you’re ninety five living in a fast

when you’re ninety five living in a fast box in the middle of the field is

box in the middle of the field is

box in the middle of the field is necessarily the best place to live out

necessarily the best place to live out

necessarily the best place to live out in years so we’re seeing a massive trend

in years so we’re seeing a massive trend

in years so we’re seeing a massive trend of people retiring in London into town

of people retiring in London into town

of people retiring in London into town centres and not retiring out and that’s

centres and not retiring out and that’s

centres and not retiring out and that’s hugely increased of the population we

hugely increased of the population we

hugely increased of the population we stopped the population decline in about

stopped the population decline in about

stopped the population decline in about 70 s 80s early 80s and it then started

70 s 80s early 80s and it then started

70 s 80s early 80s and it then started to climb up again now that 8.6 million

to climb up again now that 8.6 million

to climb up again now that 8.6 million is anticipated to reach about 11 million

is anticipated to reach about 11 million

is anticipated to reach about 11 million by 2050 and that is a huge huge increase

by 2050 and that is a huge huge increase

by 2050 and that is a huge huge increase I don’t know how many of you catch a

I don’t know how many of you catch a

I don’t know how many of you catch a train in London in the morning but we

train in London in the morning but we

train in London in the morning but we are moving closer to those lovely indian

are moving closer to those lovely indian

are moving closer to those lovely indian trains where you just hang on I hope you

trains where you just hang on I hope you

trains where you just hang on I hope you get there and then another train doesn’t

get there and then another train doesn’t

get there and then another train doesn’t come the other way or cow cross the path

come the other way or cow cross the path

come the other way or cow cross the path in front of you because that would be

in front of you because that would be

in front of you because that would be disastrous you had to go into a halt but

disastrous you had to go into a halt but

disastrous you had to go into a halt but it is getting like that and we’ve got to

it is getting like that and we’ve got to

it is getting like that and we’ve got to think about the context of that and how

think about the context of that and how

think about the context of that and how we deal with that in this borough so

we deal with that in this borough so

we deal with that in this borough so what is it me of the Kingston well the

what is it me of the Kingston well the

what is it me of the Kingston well the predictions are pretty pretty pretty mad

predictions are pretty pretty pretty mad

predictions are pretty pretty pretty mad really I mean we will love Kingston

really I mean we will love Kingston

really I mean we will love Kingston people want to move here and we can’t

people want to move here and we can’t

people want to move here and we can’t stop them moving here because beginnings

stop them moving here because beginnings

stop them moving here because beginnings own own will and I mean it’s owned by

own own will and I mean it’s owned by

own own will and I mean it’s owned by private individuals and private

private individuals and private

private individuals and private companies but actually I our projections

companies but actually I our projections

companies but actually I our projections are that by well it was by 2050 we’d see

are that by well it was by 2050 we’d see

are that by well it was by 2050 we’d see a thirty-four percent increase in

a thirty-four percent increase in

a thirty-four percent increase in population three months ago they revise

population three months ago they revise

population three months ago they revise those figures because actually there

those figures because actually there

those figures because actually there won’t go fast enough we’ve been to move

won’t go fast enough we’ve been to move

won’t go fast enough we’ve been to move expanding eleven percent in population

expanding eleven percent in population

expanding eleven percent in population in 10 years in Kingston eleven percent

in 10 years in Kingston eleven percent

in 10 years in Kingston eleven percent so they’re now saying instead of 20 50 x

so they’re now saying instead of 20 50 x

so they’re now saying instead of 20 50 x 20 39 would have expanded by thirty four

20 39 would have expanded by thirty four

20 39 would have expanded by thirty four percent and that will push our

percent and that will push our

percent and that will push our population from about a hundred and

population from about a hundred and

population from about a hundred and seventy eight thousand is now in the

seventy eight thousand is now in the

seventy eight thousand is now in the borough to well over 210,000 215,000

borough to well over 210,000 215,000

borough to well over 210,000 215,000 that will mean that instead of this sort

that will mean that instead of this sort

that will mean that instead of this sort of 57,000 homes that are currently here

of 57,000 homes that are currently here

of 57,000 homes that are currently here we’re probably going to be closer to 75

we’re probably going to be closer to 75

we’re probably going to be closer to 75 thousand homes that we need to find

thousand homes that we need to find

thousand homes that we need to find space for to accommodate people now that

space for to accommodate people now that

space for to accommodate people now that is a dramatic change from where we are

is a dramatic change from where we are

is a dramatic change from where we are now and it’s one that’s quite painful in

now and it’s one that’s quite painful in

now and it’s one that’s quite painful in many ways and we’ve got to make sure

many ways and we’ve got to make sure

many ways and we’ve got to make sure that in all that change we bring the

that in all that change we bring the

that in all that change we bring the right infrastructure in where you know

right infrastructure in where you know

right infrastructure in where you know bringing in more train so we can get in

bringing in more train so we can get in

bringing in more train so we can get in in the morning we’re sorting out the

in the morning we’re sorting out the

in the morning we’re sorting out the roads that does mean putting in an awful

roads that does mean putting in an awful

roads that does mean putting in an awful lot more cycle lanes so I’m sure divide

lot more cycle lanes so I’m sure divide

lot more cycle lanes so I’m sure divide the room in some ways but it will it

the room in some ways but it will it

the room in some ways but it will it means a lawful lot more that because I

means a lawful lot more that because I

means a lawful lot more that because I said to one of the deputy mayor’s

said to one of the deputy mayor’s

said to one of the deputy mayor’s recently this is not about modal shift

recently this is not about modal shift

recently this is not about modal shift from one thing to the other from trains

from one thing to the other from trains

from one thing to the other from trains to casters bicycles this is about I need

to casters bicycles this is about I need

to casters bicycles this is about I need every mode doing everything it possibly

every mode doing everything it possibly

every mode doing everything it possibly can if we’re going to move that number

can if we’re going to move that number

can if we’re going to move that number of people

of people

of people all about the town in a sensible way so

all about the town in a sensible way so

all about the town in a sensible way so it’s a big big shift and a big change

it’s a big big shift and a big change

it’s a big big shift and a big change that we’re going to be encompass over

that we’re going to be encompass over

that we’re going to be encompass over the next few years about when if that

the next few years about when if that

the next few years about when if that was two years ago now we put out a

was two years ago now we put out a

was two years ago now we put out a survey for all residents in the bar it

survey for all residents in the bar it

survey for all residents in the bar it went to every household is quite a thick

went to every household is quite a thick

went to every household is quite a thick serve a big census as you know if you

serve a big census as you know if you

serve a big census as you know if you realize but whenever anybody doesn’t

realize but whenever anybody doesn’t

realize but whenever anybody doesn’t mean marketing so this shut out paper

mean marketing so this shut out paper

mean marketing so this shut out paper food people’s doors and expect a

food people’s doors and expect a

food people’s doors and expect a response it’s usually very very small I

response it’s usually very very small I

response it’s usually very very small I mean 1% typically two percent if you’re

mean 1% typically two percent if you’re

mean 1% typically two percent if you’re really lucky three percent it is really

really lucky three percent it is really

really lucky three percent it is really controversial what you’re suggesting we

controversial what you’re suggesting we

controversial what you’re suggesting we had about a nine nine and a half ten

had about a nine nine and a half ten

had about a nine nine and a half ten percent response rate button from

percent response rate button from

percent response rate button from residents and one of the striking things

residents and one of the striking things

residents and one of the striking things about that was that we asked very much

about that was that we asked very much

about that was that we asked very much about this whole growth agenda and a

about this whole growth agenda and a

about this whole growth agenda and a whole how do we do with housing and all

whole how do we do with housing and all

whole how do we do with housing and all those sorts of issues and everybody

those sorts of issues and everybody

those sorts of issues and everybody everybody about eighty-seven percent of

everybody about eighty-seven percent of

everybody about eighty-seven percent of people who responded said that they

people who responded said that they

people who responded said that they wanted us to build more homes they did

wanted us to build more homes they did

wanted us to build more homes they did need more housing of course there’s one

need more housing of course there’s one

need more housing of course there’s one thing that what goes wrong with that and

thing that what goes wrong with that and

thing that what goes wrong with that and I’m the same as everybody else of course

I’m the same as everybody else of course

I’m the same as everybody else of course I’m going to say I want more housing of

I’m going to say I want more housing of

I’m going to say I want more housing of course i’m going to say want more homes

course i’m going to say want more homes

course i’m going to say want more homes for our kids and brothers but i don’t

for our kids and brothers but i don’t

for our kids and brothers but i don’t want it next to me and there’s the

want it next to me and there’s the

want it next to me and there’s the contradiction that we all have to face

contradiction that we all have to face

contradiction that we all have to face in the boro over the next few years and

in the boro over the next few years and

in the boro over the next few years and one of the discussions I think we all

one of the discussions I think we all

one of the discussions I think we all have to have and I’m really happy to

have to have and I’m really happy to

have to have and I’m really happy to have with any of you in this room is how

have with any of you in this room is how

have with any of you in this room is how do we engage people around those sorts

do we engage people around those sorts

do we engage people around those sorts of difficult issues how do we consult

of difficult issues how do we consult

of difficult issues how do we consult people about things because typically

people about things because typically

people about things because typically when councils consult what they’re doing

when councils consult what they’re doing

when councils consult what they’re doing is saying to you we’re going to do this

is saying to you we’re going to do this

is saying to you we’re going to do this to you guys do you like it there’s no

to you guys do you like it there’s no

to you guys do you like it there’s no choice it’s often seen in these things

choice it’s often seen in these things

choice it’s often seen in these things because it’s all too late in that choice

because it’s all too late in that choice

because it’s all too late in that choice and people don’t necessarily spawned

and people don’t necessarily spawned

and people don’t necessarily spawned directly work very well to that to that

directly work very well to that to that

directly work very well to that to that decision making so we’ve got to find a

decision making so we’ve got to find a

decision making so we’ve got to find a new way of working with the people that

new way of working with the people that

new way of working with the people that live here to build a kingston that’s fit

live here to build a kingston that’s fit

live here to build a kingston that’s fit for the future that they will live in

for the future that they will live in

for the future that they will live in and the future that their kids hopefully

and the future that their kids hopefully

and the future that their kids hopefully will live in and others as well and it’s

will live in and others as well and it’s

will live in and others as well and it’s trying to understand and I’m pick how we

trying to understand and I’m pick how we

trying to understand and I’m pick how we make those consultations work in the

make those consultations work in the

make those consultations work in the future

future

future what do we do and I’ll give you a

what do we do and I’ll give you a

what do we do and I’ll give you a classic example as I it’s happened to me

classic example as I it’s happened to me

classic example as I it’s happened to me a couple of weeks ago the council so

a couple of weeks ago the council so

a couple of weeks ago the council so there’s this whole range of things that

there’s this whole range of things that

there’s this whole range of things that were supposed to be looking at closing

were supposed to be looking at closing

were supposed to be looking at closing down over the next few years because of

down over the next few years because of

down over the next few years because of the austerity which is still biting

the austerity which is still biting

the austerity which is still biting really hard but somebody came as a

really hard but somebody came as a

really hard but somebody came as a proposal these centers we had they said

proposal these centers we had they said

proposal these centers we had they said this 15 these centers we’re gonna close

this 15 these centers we’re gonna close

this 15 these centers we’re gonna close two centers I said great okay that’s

two centers I said great okay that’s

two centers I said great okay that’s fine i mean if that’s really what we

fine i mean if that’s really what we

fine i mean if that’s really what we have to do then let’s go out and consult

have to do then let’s go out and consult

have to do then let’s go out and consult so they said well yeah but do you know

so they said well yeah but do you know

so they said well yeah but do you know we know which to it is so we can’t

we know which to it is so we can’t

we know which to it is so we can’t really go out and consult with two

really go out and consult with two

really go out and consult with two because that’s not really a decision is

because that’s not really a decision is

because that’s not really a decision is it because we’re just asking them

it because we’re just asking them

it because we’re just asking them whether they like the idea we were close

whether they like the idea we were close

whether they like the idea we were close to so i said well what’s the solution

to so i said well what’s the solution

to so i said well what’s the solution they said to me we’ll come we just add a

they said to me we’ll come we just add a

they said to me we’ll come we just add a third i said well what’s the third floor

third i said well what’s the third floor

third i said well what’s the third floor they said well that’s just to give a

they said well that’s just to give a

they said well that’s just to give a choice i said but are you closing the

choice i said but are you closing the

choice i said but are you closing the third no will you ever close the third

third no will you ever close the third

third no will you ever close the third no so where’s the choice and that’s kind

no so where’s the choice and that’s kind

no so where’s the choice and that’s kind of the issues that we have to face how

of the issues that we have to face how

of the issues that we have to face how do we work with you how do we sit with

do we work with you how do we sit with

do we work with you how do we sit with you and create the future with you how

you and create the future with you how

you and create the future with you how do we engage with people that live here

do we engage with people that live here

do we engage with people that live here in a meaningful way that means that we

in a meaningful way that means that we

in a meaningful way that means that we can all work together to create the

can all work together to create the

can all work together to create the answers we need and that actually if

answers we need and that actually if

answers we need and that actually if we’re ever to build in a way that

we’re ever to build in a way that

we’re ever to build in a way that maintains the history of the borough

maintains the history of the borough

maintains the history of the borough that makes it a great place to live that

that makes it a great place to live that

that makes it a great place to live that makes it a place that all of you decided

makes it a place that all of you decided

makes it a place that all of you decided you want to come and stay if we can get

you want to come and stay if we can get

you want to come and stay if we can get back right then we can build a better

back right then we can build a better

back right then we can build a better place and even those kings and those

place and even those kings and those

place and even those kings and those bishops divide it up back in the 9th

bishops divide it up back in the 9th

bishops divide it up back in the 9th century thank you very much

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