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what does a young woman in a Japanese

what does a young woman in a Japanese city and the elderly man in India

city and the elderly man in India

city and the elderly man in India village have in common the first glance

village have in common the first glance

village have in common the first glance it looks like almost nothing navigating

it looks like almost nothing navigating

it looks like almost nothing navigating a busy city in Japan is completely

a busy city in Japan is completely

a busy city in Japan is completely different than navigating an Indian

different than navigating an Indian

different than navigating an Indian village but Google Maps has to work for

village but Google Maps has to work for

village but Google Maps has to work for both of these people and the things that

both of these people and the things that

both of these people and the things that they want to share are completely

they want to share are completely

they want to share are completely different to but Facebook has to work

different to but Facebook has to work

different to but Facebook has to work for both of these people as well now

for both of these people as well now

for both of these people as well now when I look back on the time that we

when I look back on the time that we

when I look back on the time that we spent trying to solve these problems the

spent trying to solve these problems the

spent trying to solve these problems the thing that really stands out to me is

thing that really stands out to me is

thing that really stands out to me is how similar these problems actually

how similar these problems actually

how similar these problems actually ended up being just rewind back to 2005

ended up being just rewind back to 2005

ended up being just rewind back to 2005 and this is how Google Maps looked when

and this is how Google Maps looked when

and this is how Google Maps looked when it first launched you might notice a

it first launched you might notice a

it first launched you might notice a couple of things missing here but and

couple of things missing here but and

couple of things missing here but and it’s come a long way since then today

it’s come a long way since then today

it’s come a long way since then today Google Maps gives you directions almost

Google Maps gives you directions almost

Google Maps gives you directions almost anywhere you go in the world and as we

anywhere you go in the world and as we

anywhere you go in the world and as we started to expand for more and more

started to expand for more and more

started to expand for more and more countries though things started to get a

countries though things started to get a

countries though things started to get a bit more complex I remember the first

bit more complex I remember the first

bit more complex I remember the first time we went to India and everyone was

time we went to India and everyone was

time we went to India and everyone was saying we’re not like the rest of the

saying we’re not like the rest of the

saying we’re not like the rest of the world

world

world we’re different here and they had a

we’re different here and they had a

we’re different here and they had a point this is a photo that I took when I

point this is a photo that I took when I

point this is a photo that I took when I was there and you can see that you get

was there and you can see that you get

was there and you can see that you get stuck in some pretty interesting traffic

stuck in some pretty interesting traffic

stuck in some pretty interesting traffic jams this is a pedestrian footbridge

jams this is a pedestrian footbridge

jams this is a pedestrian footbridge believe it or not but the maps are

believe it or not but the maps are

believe it or not but the maps are different too you might notice something

different too you might notice something

different too you might notice something missing from this map there are no

missing from this map there are no

missing from this map there are no street names this isn’t Google doing a

street names this isn’t Google doing a

street names this isn’t Google doing a bad job of labeling the map in India

bad job of labeling the map in India

bad job of labeling the map in India many of the streets actually don’t have

many of the streets actually don’t have

many of the streets actually don’t have names and it’s even rarer to have an

names and it’s even rarer to have an

names and it’s even rarer to have an address with a number so this means that

address with a number so this means that

address with a number so this means that in India Google Maps was giving

in India Google Maps was giving

in India Google Maps was giving directions something like this continue

directions something like this continue

directions something like this continue on unnamed Road

on unnamed Road

on unnamed Road turn left on unnamed Road your

turn left on unnamed Road your

turn left on unnamed Road your destination is at unnamed Road not great

destination is at unnamed Road not great

destination is at unnamed Road not great right Japan on the other hand Japan has

right Japan on the other hand Japan has

right Japan on the other hand Japan has some of the most detailed data of

some of the most detailed data of

some of the most detailed data of anywhere in the world but when we went

anywhere in the world but when we went

anywhere in the world but when we went to Japan people were also saying hey

to Japan people were also saying hey

to Japan people were also saying hey Japan’s not like the rest of the world

Japan’s not like the rest of the world

Japan’s not like the rest of the world we’re different here and they had a

we’re different here and they had a

we’re different here and they had a point as well I mean I remember being

point as well I mean I remember being

point as well I mean I remember being blown away by like the sheer volume of

blown away by like the sheer volume of

blown away by like the sheer volume of people everywhere

people everywhere

people everywhere but also how well-ordered everything is

but also how well-ordered everything is

but also how well-ordered everything is and the match look different – you can

and the match look different – you can

and the match look different – you can see there’s all kinds of things on this

see there’s all kinds of things on this

see there’s all kinds of things on this map but the one thing they don’t have a

map but the one thing they don’t have a

map but the one thing they don’t have a street names but here in Japan it’s for

street names but here in Japan it’s for

street names but here in Japan it’s for a different reason

a different reason

a different reason addresses aren’t described as streets

addresses aren’t described as streets

addresses aren’t described as streets that described as blocks the spaces

that described as blocks the spaces

that described as blocks the spaces between the streets this means that an

between the streets this means that an

between the streets this means that an address can actually end up looking a

address can actually end up looking a

address can actually end up looking a bit like a phone number so though Japan

bit like a phone number so though Japan

bit like a phone number so though Japan has this incredibly precise address

has this incredibly precise address

has this incredibly precise address system you ended up having things like

system you ended up having things like

system you ended up having things like district 1 block 23 building 5 apartment

district 1 block 23 building 5 apartment

district 1 block 23 building 5 apartment 2 to 8 so Google Maps was giving

2 to 8 so Google Maps was giving

2 to 8 so Google Maps was giving directions something like this continue

directions something like this continue

directions something like this continue on unnamed Road turn left on unnamed

on unnamed Road turn left on unnamed

on unnamed Road turn left on unnamed Road your destination is at 1 2 3 5 2 to

Road your destination is at 1 2 3 5 2 to

Road your destination is at 1 2 3 5 2 to 8 also not great right actually it

8 also not great right actually it

8 also not great right actually it wasn’t just in during Japan in every

wasn’t just in during Japan in every

wasn’t just in during Japan in every place we went to in the world people

place we went to in the world people

place we went to in the world people were saying we’re not like the rest of

were saying we’re not like the rest of

were saying we’re not like the rest of the world

the world

the world we’re different here everywhere was

we’re different here everywhere was

we’re different here everywhere was different and everywhere had unique

different and everywhere had unique

different and everywhere had unique needs how can you build directions that

needs how can you build directions that

needs how can you build directions that work just as well for Japanese cities as

work just as well for Japanese cities as

work just as well for Japanese cities as they do for Indian villages that was the

they do for Indian villages that was the

they do for Indian villages that was the problem that the Google Maps team were

problem that the Google Maps team were

problem that the Google Maps team were facing the Facebook sharing team had a

facing the Facebook sharing team had a

facing the Facebook sharing team had a problem – this is our Facebook looked

problem – this is our Facebook looked

problem – this is our Facebook looked when it launched back in 2004 back when

when it launched back in 2004 back when

when it launched back in 2004 back when it was still the Facebook and this was

it was still the Facebook and this was

it was still the Facebook and this was just an for a small community to connect

just an for a small community to connect

just an for a small community to connect and share but it’s come a long way since

and share but it’s come a long way since

and share but it’s come a long way since then now Facebook connects over a

then now Facebook connects over a

then now Facebook connects over a quarter of the world’s population now

quarter of the world’s population now

quarter of the world’s population now the Facebook sharing team’s job is to

the Facebook sharing team’s job is to

the Facebook sharing team’s job is to give all these different people give

give all these different people give

give all these different people give them the tools to share and this is

them the tools to share and this is

them the tools to share and this is really difficult because everybody wants

really difficult because everybody wants

really difficult because everybody wants to sit share something different there’s

to sit share something different there’s

to sit share something different there’s almost an infinite number of things that

almost an infinite number of things that

almost an infinite number of things that people might want to share and so this

people might want to share and so this

people might want to share and so this is this is so difficult how we’re going

is this is so difficult how we’re going

is this is so difficult how we’re going to go about doing this may be the way to

to go about doing this may be the way to

to go about doing this may be the way to do it is to start taking these people

do it is to start taking these people

do it is to start taking these people and dividing them into groups so that we

and dividing them into groups so that we

and dividing them into groups so that we can understand them better so you might

can understand them better so you might

can understand them better so you might start looking at things like what

start looking at things like what

start looking at things like what country are they in are they in urban or

country are they in are they in urban or

country are they in are they in urban or rural area what’s their age or select

rural area what’s their age or select

rural area what’s their age or select gender maybe look at their education

gender maybe look at their education

gender maybe look at their education maybe we should look if they’re using

maybe we should look if they’re using

maybe we should look if they’re using mobile or

mobile or

mobile or top maybe we should look at their usage

top maybe we should look at their usage

top maybe we should look at their usage patterns to these Facebook a lot that I

patterns to these Facebook a lot that I

patterns to these Facebook a lot that I use it little maybe we want to look at

use it little maybe we want to look at

use it little maybe we want to look at the kinds of things that they want to

the kinds of things that they want to

the kinds of things that they want to share are they sharing text that they

share are they sharing text that they

share are they sharing text that they sharing video are they sharing photos

sharing video are they sharing photos

sharing video are they sharing photos this list is endless it goes on and on

this list is endless it goes on and on

this list is endless it goes on and on and when you start multiplying all these

and when you start multiplying all these

and when you start multiplying all these factors together it becomes unfeasible

factors together it becomes unfeasible

factors together it becomes unfeasible how can you build sharing tools that

how can you build sharing tools that

how can you build sharing tools that work just as well for a young woman in

work just as well for a young woman in

work just as well for a young woman in Japan as they do for an elderly man in

Japan as they do for an elderly man in

Japan as they do for an elderly man in India and that was the problem that the

India and that was the problem that the

India and that was the problem that the Facebook sharing team were facing now

Facebook sharing team were facing now

Facebook sharing team were facing now the scale of these problems that the

the scale of these problems that the

the scale of these problems that the Google and the Facebook teams had to

Google and the Facebook teams had to

Google and the Facebook teams had to solve had become so large that it become

solve had become so large that it become

solve had become so large that it become unfeasible to try and solve them but the

unfeasible to try and solve them but the

unfeasible to try and solve them but the breakthrough came when we stopped

breakthrough came when we stopped

breakthrough came when we stopped thinking about all the ways in which

thinking about all the ways in which

thinking about all the ways in which people were different and started

people were different and started

people were different and started focusing on the ways in which everyone’s

focusing on the ways in which everyone’s

focusing on the ways in which everyone’s the same so if you ask for directions in

the same so if you ask for directions in

the same so if you ask for directions in India today people won’t give you an

India today people won’t give you an

India today people won’t give you an address or a street name or any of this

address or a street name or any of this

address or a street name or any of this stuff they’ll say things like it’s by

stuff they’ll say things like it’s by

stuff they’ll say things like it’s by the temple or go past the river or it’s

the temple or go past the river or it’s

the temple or go past the river or it’s next to the school those landmarks to

next to the school those landmarks to

next to the school those landmarks to help you get around and the map reflects

help you get around and the map reflects

help you get around and the map reflects this there may be no street names on

this there may be no street names on

this there may be no street names on this map but you can see that there’s

this map but you can see that there’s

this map but you can see that there’s lots of landmarks here that the local

lots of landmarks here that the local

lots of landmarks here that the local people use to get around now in Japan

people use to get around now in Japan

people use to get around now in Japan the situation is actually similar

the situation is actually similar

the situation is actually similar because of that really complex address

because of that really complex address

because of that really complex address system we talked about people use

system we talked about people use

system we talked about people use landmarks instead of street names to get

landmarks instead of street names to get

landmarks instead of street names to get around and again you can see this on the

around and again you can see this on the

around and again you can see this on the map no street names loads and loads of

map no street names loads and loads of

map no street names loads and loads of local landmarks here now it turns out

local landmarks here now it turns out

local landmarks here now it turns out that it doesn’t matter where you go in

that it doesn’t matter where you go in

that it doesn’t matter where you go in the world from Tokyo to Bangalore to

the world from Tokyo to Bangalore to

the world from Tokyo to Bangalore to Glasgow if you ask someone on the street

Glasgow if you ask someone on the street

Glasgow if you ask someone on the street how to get around they’ll describe how

how to get around they’ll describe how

how to get around they’ll describe how to do it using landmarks as well as

to do it using landmarks as well as

to do it using landmarks as well as street names and suddenly you realize if

street names and suddenly you realize if

street names and suddenly you realize if you look outside this building here

you look outside this building here

you look outside this building here everything is a landmark the restaurant

everything is a landmark the restaurant

everything is a landmark the restaurant in the bottom right is a landmark the

in the bottom right is a landmark the

in the bottom right is a landmark the train station is a landmark the big

train station is a landmark the big

train station is a landmark the big buildings are landmarks the river is a

buildings are landmarks the river is a

buildings are landmarks the river is a landmark and the street names they’re

landmark and the street names they’re

landmark and the street names they’re just another type of landmark it turns

just another type of landmark it turns

just another type of landmark it turns out that Google Maps had been using

out that Google Maps had been using

out that Google Maps had been using landmarks for directions all along it’s

landmarks for directions all along it’s

landmarks for directions all along it’s just had only been using one specific

just had only been using one specific

just had only been using one specific type of landmark so with this insight

type of landmark so with this insight

type of landmark so with this insight the Maps team went about upgrading the

the Maps team went about upgrading the

the Maps team went about upgrading the directions these

directions these

directions these all the different types of landmarks

all the different types of landmarks

all the different types of landmarks that are available sometimes using

that are available sometimes using

that are available sometimes using street names when they’re relevant other

street names when they’re relevant other

street names when they’re relevant other times using something else so now in

times using something else so now in

times using something else so now in India when you ask for directions

India when you ask for directions

India when you ask for directions Google Maps gives you something like

Google Maps gives you something like

Google Maps gives you something like this continue past kmk complex turn left

this continue past kmk complex turn left

this continue past kmk complex turn left at go to temple your destination is on

at go to temple your destination is on

at go to temple your destination is on the left opposite the big banyan tree

the left opposite the big banyan tree

the left opposite the big banyan tree that’s the great landmark right so by

that’s the great landmark right so by

that’s the great landmark right so by focusing on the ways that people were

focusing on the ways that people were

focusing on the ways that people were similar instead of focusing on the ways

similar instead of focusing on the ways

similar instead of focusing on the ways in which people were different the

in which people were different the

in which people were different the Google Maps team were able to help

Google Maps team were able to help

Google Maps team were able to help people get around no matter where they

people get around no matter where they

people get around no matter where they are in the world it turns out that

are in the world it turns out that

are in the world it turns out that people navigate the Japanese City and

people navigate the Japanese City and

people navigate the Japanese City and the Indian village in pretty similar

the Indian village in pretty similar

the Indian village in pretty similar ways but what about this Facebook

ways but what about this Facebook

ways but what about this Facebook sharing problem

sharing problem

sharing problem I mean how we possibly going to build

I mean how we possibly going to build

I mean how we possibly going to build tools to support all of these different

tools to support all of these different

tools to support all of these different things that these people all around the

things that these people all around the

things that these people all around the world want to share this seems

world want to share this seems

world want to share this seems incredibly difficult now the funny thing

incredibly difficult now the funny thing

incredibly difficult now the funny thing is you might be thinking like you know

is you might be thinking like you know

is you might be thinking like you know why do we need to help people share some

why do we need to help people share some

why do we need to help people share some more I’m sure you know I’ve got some

more I’m sure you know I’ve got some

more I’m sure you know I’ve got some friends that have no problem sharing

friends that have no problem sharing

friends that have no problem sharing stuff on Facebook at all I’m sure you’ve

stuff on Facebook at all I’m sure you’ve

stuff on Facebook at all I’m sure you’ve got some of the same but I’ve also got

got some of the same but I’ve also got

got some of the same but I’ve also got some friends that barely share anything

some friends that barely share anything

some friends that barely share anything and I know that me and the rest of their

and I know that me and the rest of their

and I know that me and the rest of their friends would love to see the more

friends would love to see the more

friends would love to see the more meaningful elements happening in their

meaningful elements happening in their

meaningful elements happening in their lives and so the breakthrough here

lives and so the breakthrough here

lives and so the breakthrough here happened when we stop thinking about

happened when we stop thinking about

happened when we stop thinking about what people want to share and started

what people want to share and started

what people want to share and started thinking why aren’t they sharing it

thinking why aren’t they sharing it

thinking why aren’t they sharing it already it turns out the biggest

already it turns out the biggest

already it turns out the biggest barriers that prevent people from

barriers that prevent people from

barriers that prevent people from sharing and not to do the technology or

sharing and not to do the technology or

sharing and not to do the technology or the tools at all there’s psychological

the tools at all there’s psychological

the tools at all there’s psychological barriers and so instead of trying to

barriers and so instead of trying to

barriers and so instead of trying to solve for all of the different things

solve for all of the different things

solve for all of the different things that people want to share the Facebook

that people want to share the Facebook

that people want to share the Facebook team decided to try and solve those

team decided to try and solve those

team decided to try and solve those psychological barriers that we universal

psychological barriers that we universal

psychological barriers that we universal amongst everyone so this is a photo of

amongst everyone so this is a photo of

amongst everyone so this is a photo of my son that I took at breakfast he’s

my son that I took at breakfast he’s

my son that I took at breakfast he’s looking pretty happy here at the moment

looking pretty happy here at the moment

looking pretty happy here at the moment but little does he know that he’s going

but little does he know that he’s going

but little does he know that he’s going to try haggis for the first time this

to try haggis for the first time this

to try haggis for the first time this evening and now I always think he looks

evening and now I always think he looks

evening and now I always think he looks adorable but to be honest this isn’t the

adorable but to be honest this isn’t the

adorable but to be honest this isn’t the best photo I’ve ever taken it’s a bit

best photo I’ve ever taken it’s a bit

best photo I’ve ever taken it’s a bit grainy the Lighting’s not great

grainy the Lighting’s not great

grainy the Lighting’s not great compositions not fantastic this is

compositions not fantastic this is

compositions not fantastic this is definitely not good enough that I would

definitely not good enough that I would

definitely not good enough that I would be willing to share this on Facebook and

be willing to share this on Facebook and

be willing to share this on Facebook and this is a shame because I know that his

this is a shame because I know that his

this is a shame because I know that his grandparents always love to see photos

grandparents always love to see photos

grandparents always love to see photos of him

of him

of him so I’ve drawn a pretty technical diagram

so I’ve drawn a pretty technical diagram

so I’ve drawn a pretty technical diagram here so follow along this is the range

here so follow along this is the range

here so follow along this is the range of quality that something can be from

of quality that something can be from

of quality that something can be from bad all the way up to awesome and right

bad all the way up to awesome and right

bad all the way up to awesome and right here in the middle there’s a bar that

here in the middle there’s a bar that

here in the middle there’s a bar that this is the quality bar this is how good

this is the quality bar this is how good

this is the quality bar this is how good something needs to be for me to be

something needs to be for me to be

something needs to be for me to be willing to share it now you can see here

willing to share it now you can see here

willing to share it now you can see here that this picture of my son is

that this picture of my son is

that this picture of my son is underneath the quality bar this is the

underneath the quality bar this is the

underneath the quality bar this is the psychological barrier that’s preventing

psychological barrier that’s preventing

psychological barrier that’s preventing me from sharing it so if I want to share

me from sharing it so if I want to share

me from sharing it so if I want to share this picture there’s two things that we

this picture there’s two things that we

this picture there’s two things that we could do number one is we can elevate

could do number one is we can elevate

could do number one is we can elevate the quality of my content so over the

the quality of my content so over the

the quality of my content so over the bar the other thing that we could do is

bar the other thing that we could do is

bar the other thing that we could do is to lower that psychological quality bar

to lower that psychological quality bar

to lower that psychological quality bar now if you’re smart you’ll probably do

now if you’re smart you’ll probably do

now if you’re smart you’ll probably do both of these things and that’s exactly

both of these things and that’s exactly

both of these things and that’s exactly what the Facebook team did and you can

what the Facebook team did and you can

what the Facebook team did and you can see this theme in some of the most

see this theme in some of the most

see this theme in some of the most recent launches that they’ve done so

recent launches that they’ve done so

recent launches that they’ve done so using the Facebook camera I can use the

using the Facebook camera I can use the

using the Facebook camera I can use the augmented reality mask to turn my

augmented reality mask to turn my

augmented reality mask to turn my science of a cute little raccoon or if I

science of a cute little raccoon or if I

science of a cute little raccoon or if I want to be a bit more classy I can also

want to be a bit more classy I can also

want to be a bit more classy I can also turn him into a kind of classy pencil

turn him into a kind of classy pencil

turn him into a kind of classy pencil sketch these things elevate the quality

sketch these things elevate the quality

sketch these things elevate the quality of my content and make me more proud to

of my content and make me more proud to

of my content and make me more proud to share it I’m actually quite keen to

share it I’m actually quite keen to

share it I’m actually quite keen to share that raccoon picture now I think

share that raccoon picture now I think

share that raccoon picture now I think it’s cool now on the opposite end of the

it’s cool now on the opposite end of the

it’s cool now on the opposite end of the spectrum the Facebook live camera lets

spectrum the Facebook live camera lets

spectrum the Facebook live camera lets you stream live video from your mobile

you stream live video from your mobile

you stream live video from your mobile phone now I’m thinking about making it

phone now I’m thinking about making it

phone now I’m thinking about making it up to him by live-streaming his reaction

up to him by live-streaming his reaction

up to him by live-streaming his reaction to trying shortbread for the first time

to trying shortbread for the first time

to trying shortbread for the first time tomorrow live live video is candid and

tomorrow live live video is candid and

tomorrow live live video is candid and it’s raw you can’t edit it you don’t

it’s raw you can’t edit it you don’t

it’s raw you can’t edit it you don’t rehearse it the quality tends to be

rehearse it the quality tends to be

rehearse it the quality tends to be lower and so this lowers that

lower and so this lowers that

lower and so this lowers that psychological quality barrier because if

psychological quality barrier because if

psychological quality barrier because if you and your friends are all sharing

you and your friends are all sharing

you and your friends are all sharing this stuff that’s candid you’ll be more

this stuff that’s candid you’ll be more

this stuff that’s candid you’ll be more likely to do so yourself so it turns out

likely to do so yourself so it turns out

likely to do so yourself so it turns out that the psychological barriers that

that the psychological barriers that

that the psychological barriers that were preventing that young woman and

were preventing that young woman and

were preventing that young woman and Japan and the elderly man in India are

Japan and the elderly man in India are

Japan and the elderly man in India are the same by focusing on the ways the

the same by focusing on the ways the

the same by focusing on the ways the things that people had in common again

things that people had in common again

things that people had in common again rather than their differences Facebook

rather than their differences Facebook

rather than their differences Facebook is able to help people connect and share

is able to help people connect and share

is able to help people connect and share all around the world so now if we look

all around the world so now if we look

all around the world so now if we look back again we realized that this young

back again we realized that this young

back again we realized that this young woman in the Japanese city and the

woman in the Japanese city and the

woman in the Japanese city and the elderly man in the Indian village have a

elderly man in the Indian village have a

elderly man in the Indian village have a more in common than it first seems it’s

more in common than it first seems it’s

more in common than it first seems it’s really easy to focus on the differences

really easy to focus on the differences

really easy to focus on the differences between people but if we want to build

between people but if we want to build

between people but if we want to build great tools that make life better for

great tools that make life better for

great tools that make life better for billions of people all around the world

billions of people all around the world

billions of people all around the world we need to start focusing on how similar

we need to start focusing on how similar

we need to start focusing on how similar we all are as human beings and it seems

we all are as human beings and it seems

we all are as human beings and it seems to me there’s never been a better time

to me there’s never been a better time

to me there’s never been a better time to start thank you very much

to start thank you very much

to start thank you very much [Applause]

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