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Bridging the gap between rights and justice | Joanna Sidhu | TEDxCoventGardenWomen


I’m looking out everyone sitting here

I’m looking out everyone sitting here today and it strikes me but you all have

today and it strikes me but you all have

today and it strikes me but you all have at least one thing in common every

at least one thing in common every

at least one thing in common every single one of you has legal rights but

single one of you has legal rights but

single one of you has legal rights but while you all have legal rights that

while you all have legal rights that

while you all have legal rights that doesn’t mean you can access justice

doesn’t mean you can access justice

doesn’t mean you can access justice there’s a gap between the two accessing

there’s a gap between the two accessing

there’s a gap between the two accessing justice means knowing your rights even

justice means knowing your rights even

justice means knowing your rights even existed in the first place and then what

existed in the first place and then what

existed in the first place and then what they mean for you individually if your

they mean for you individually if your

they mean for you individually if your rights have been violated accessing

rights have been violated accessing

rights have been violated accessing justice means having a way to enforce

justice means having a way to enforce

justice means having a way to enforce those rights that means finding the

those rights that means finding the

those rights that means finding the lawyer willing to take on your case

lawyer willing to take on your case

lawyer willing to take on your case having enough money to pay for their

having enough money to pay for their

having enough money to pay for their fees and if it gets that far paying for

fees and if it gets that far paying for

fees and if it gets that far paying for the court fees and even if you do get

the court fees and even if you do get

the court fees and even if you do get that far if you end up losing you may

that far if you end up losing you may

that far if you end up losing you may have to pay the other side’s legal fees

have to pay the other side’s legal fees

have to pay the other side’s legal fees on top of your own that’s a huge risk

on top of your own that’s a huge risk

on top of your own that’s a huge risk and a lot of money so even if you have

and a lot of money so even if you have

and a lot of money so even if you have legal rights accessing justice isn’t

legal rights accessing justice isn’t

legal rights accessing justice isn’t easy I became a lawyer because I wanted

easy I became a lawyer because I wanted

easy I became a lawyer because I wanted to change the way things were done and I

to change the way things were done and I

to change the way things were done and I thought using the law was my best shot

thought using the law was my best shot

thought using the law was my best shot the law is real it’s tangible if you

the law is real it’s tangible if you

the law is real it’s tangible if you change the law you change the rules

change the law you change the rules

change the law you change the rules underpinning society and that’s so

underpinning society and that’s so

underpinning society and that’s so powerful like when the law changed

powerful like when the law changed

powerful like when the law changed meaning being gay wasn’t a crime or that

meaning being gay wasn’t a crime or that

meaning being gay wasn’t a crime or that parents couldn’t beat their children or

parents couldn’t beat their children or

parents couldn’t beat their children or that forced marriages are a criminal

that forced marriages are a criminal

that forced marriages are a criminal offense and it’s not just the law it’s

offense and it’s not just the law it’s

offense and it’s not just the law it’s also the courts and how they hold

also the courts and how they hold

also the courts and how they hold governments and companies accountable

governments and companies accountable

governments and companies accountable like how American voters are using the

like how American voters are using the

like how American voters are using the English courts to find out how their

English courts to find out how their

English courts to find out how their personal data was used to influence

personal data was used to influence

personal data was used to influence elections or how the Supreme Court held

elections or how the Supreme Court held

elections or how the Supreme Court held that the government couldn’t trigger

that the government couldn’t trigger

that the government couldn’t trigger brexit without Parliament’s approval and

brexit without Parliament’s approval and

brexit without Parliament’s approval and while I’ve been a lawyer for years it

while I’ve been a lawyer for years it

while I’ve been a lawyer for years it wasn’t until last year that I came

wasn’t until last year that I came

wasn’t until last year that I came face-to-face with just how powerful the

face-to-face with just how powerful the

face-to-face with just how powerful the law can be but also how big the gap is

law can be but also how big the gap is

law can be but also how big the gap is between having rights and accessing

between having rights and accessing

between having rights and accessing justice this happened in the jungle

justice this happened in the jungle

justice this happened in the jungle refugee camp in

refugee camp in

refugee camp in haleh in France whereas working with

haleh in France whereas working with

haleh in France whereas working with unaccompanied children children who had

unaccompanied children children who had

unaccompanied children children who had legal rights but no way of enforcing

legal rights but no way of enforcing

legal rights but no way of enforcing them and so I went as a volunteer with a

them and so I went as a volunteer with a

them and so I went as a volunteer with a charity and a team of incredible human

charity and a team of incredible human

charity and a team of incredible human rights lawyers I’d never done anything

rights lawyers I’d never done anything

rights lawyers I’d never done anything like this before and I should have felt

like this before and I should have felt

like this before and I should have felt scared or nervous but I wasn’t I was

scared or nervous but I wasn’t I was

scared or nervous but I wasn’t I was excited

excited

excited we were actually going to use law to

we were actually going to use law to

we were actually going to use law to bring about change

bring about change

bring about change I met with Omar a 16 year old boy from

I met with Omar a 16 year old boy from

I met with Omar a 16 year old boy from Syria he’s so sweet with this great big

Syria he’s so sweet with this great big

Syria he’s so sweet with this great big really infectious smile he grew up in

really infectious smile he grew up in

really infectious smile he grew up in the countryside and he’d you know he’d

the countryside and he’d you know he’d

the countryside and he’d you know he’d never known violence certainly not Isis

never known violence certainly not Isis

never known violence certainly not Isis or airstrikes but they were the reasons

or airstrikes but they were the reasons

or airstrikes but they were the reasons he fled when I met Omar he could barely

he fled when I met Omar he could barely

he fled when I met Omar he could barely keep his eyes open none of the children

keep his eyes open none of the children

keep his eyes open none of the children could that’s because they spent their

could that’s because they spent their

could that’s because they spent their days asleep so they could spend their

days asleep so they could spend their

days asleep so they could spend their nights trying to get to England when I

nights trying to get to England when I

nights trying to get to England when I met Omar he’d been in the jungle an

met Omar he’d been in the jungle an

met Omar he’d been in the jungle an entire year and he tried every single

entire year and he tried every single

entire year and he tried every single night to come to England I was so

night to come to England I was so

night to come to England I was so anxious waiting for the decision on his

anxious waiting for the decision on his

anxious waiting for the decision on his case to come through I knew he was

case to come through I knew he was

case to come through I knew he was becoming more and more desperate in his

becoming more and more desperate in his

becoming more and more desperate in his attempts and each one even more

attempts and each one even more

attempts and each one even more dangerous but the decision did come

dangerous but the decision did come

dangerous but the decision did come through and I was there to meet him at

through and I was there to meet him at

through and I was there to meet him at the Eurostar terminal at some Pancras

the Eurostar terminal at some Pancras

the Eurostar terminal at some Pancras station where he was reunited with his

station where he was reunited with his

station where he was reunited with his brother and he was so happy and kind of

brother and he was so happy and kind of

brother and he was so happy and kind of surprised Lord actually worked and when

surprised Lord actually worked and when

surprised Lord actually worked and when he was in England with his brother and

he was in England with his brother and

he was in England with his brother and not alone in the jungle but that feeling

not alone in the jungle but that feeling

not alone in the jungle but that feeling that sense of victory it didn’t last

that sense of victory it didn’t last

that sense of victory it didn’t last long I went back to the jungle later

long I went back to the jungle later

long I went back to the jungle later that year just before the camp was

that year just before the camp was

that year just before the camp was demolished and this time I felt

demolished and this time I felt

demolished and this time I felt something different I realized the

something different I realized the

something different I realized the system was broken there were people who

system was broken there were people who

system was broken there were people who had

had

had rights but no way of enforcing them and

rights but no way of enforcing them and

rights but no way of enforcing them and instead it was back to teams of

instead it was back to teams of

instead it was back to teams of volunteers and charities to come up with

volunteers and charities to come up with

volunteers and charities to come up with a plan part of which meant coming up

a plan part of which meant coming up

a plan part of which meant coming up with questions to prove that these

with questions to prove that these

with questions to prove that these children were vulnerable and should

children were vulnerable and should

children were vulnerable and should therefore be allowed into the UK as part

therefore be allowed into the UK as part

therefore be allowed into the UK as part of the government’s new scheme and so as

of the government’s new scheme and so as

of the government’s new scheme and so as part of this plan I went back to the

part of this plan I went back to the

part of this plan I went back to the jungle and I met with faatima a 16 year

jungle and I met with faatima a 16 year

jungle and I met with faatima a 16 year old girl from Eritrea and Fatima and

old girl from Eritrea and Fatima and

old girl from Eritrea and Fatima and Omar are not their real names like so

Omar are not their real names like so

Omar are not their real names like so many 16 year old girls Fatima had put

many 16 year old girls Fatima had put

many 16 year old girls Fatima had put you know like effort into her hair and

you know like effort into her hair and

you know like effort into her hair and her nails it sort of bits of chick

her nails it sort of bits of chick

her nails it sort of bits of chick polish on them she was so brave but her

polish on them she was so brave but her

polish on them she was so brave but her body betrayed her she was shaking I

body betrayed her she was shaking I

body betrayed her she was shaking I asked her what are you most afraid of

asked her what are you most afraid of

asked her what are you most afraid of she she didn’t want to answer I tried in

she she didn’t want to answer I tried in

she she didn’t want to answer I tried in a different way do you have nightmares

she said she did she used to have

she said she did she used to have nightmares of drowning and that’s

nightmares of drowning and that’s

nightmares of drowning and that’s because on her way to Europe her boat

because on her way to Europe her boat

because on her way to Europe her boat capsized and she watched her fellow

capsized and she watched her fellow

capsized and she watched her fellow passengers drown but not anymore

passengers drown but not anymore

passengers drown but not anymore now she had dreams of something else she

now she had dreams of something else she

now she had dreams of something else she had dreams of trying to get onto trucks

had dreams of trying to get onto trucks

had dreams of trying to get onto trucks in the middle of the night of losing her

in the middle of the night of losing her

in the middle of the night of losing her friends and her companions and of being

friends and her companions and of being

friends and her companions and of being alone bad things happen to her when she

alone bad things happen to her when she

alone bad things happen to her when she was alone and as I was thinking of how

was alone and as I was thinking of how

was alone and as I was thinking of how best to ask the next question she just

best to ask the next question she just

best to ask the next question she just turned to me and asked why do you have

turned to me and asked why do you have

turned to me and asked why do you have to ask all these questions why isn’t it

to ask all these questions why isn’t it

to ask all these questions why isn’t it enough that I’m a child and I’m alone in

enough that I’m a child and I’m alone in

enough that I’m a child and I’m alone in this place and that’s when it hit me I

this place and that’s when it hit me I

this place and that’s when it hit me I was so ashamed I was ashamed that it

was so ashamed I was ashamed that it

was so ashamed I was ashamed that it wasn’t enough that she’s a child and

wasn’t enough that she’s a child and

wasn’t enough that she’s a child and alone I was ashamed of having to ask

alone I was ashamed of having to ask

alone I was ashamed of having to ask these questions

these questions

these questions I was ashamed of our government but

I was ashamed of our government but

I was ashamed of our government but deeper than that was the sense of

deeper than that was the sense of

deeper than that was the sense of betrayal I had believed the law would

betrayal I had believed the law would

betrayal I had believed the law would provide a solution but it wasn’t enough

provide a solution but it wasn’t enough

provide a solution but it wasn’t enough what’s the point of a right you don’t

what’s the point of a right you don’t

what’s the point of a right you don’t know about what’s the point of a right

know about what’s the point of a right

know about what’s the point of a right you can’t even enforce there is no point

you can’t even enforce there is no point

you can’t even enforce there is no point they’re not even worth the paper that

they’re not even worth the paper that

they’re not even worth the paper that written on Fatima and Omar had legal

written on Fatima and Omar had legal

written on Fatima and Omar had legal rights but they had no way of accessing

rights but they had no way of accessing

rights but they had no way of accessing the system they needed to in order to

the system they needed to in order to

the system they needed to in order to enforce them the very people who needed

enforce them the very people who needed

enforce them the very people who needed the law the most couldn’t use it

the law the most couldn’t use it

the law the most couldn’t use it something needed to change and I’m I’m

something needed to change and I’m I’m

something needed to change and I’m I’m not going to stand here today in front

not going to stand here today in front

not going to stand here today in front of you and say that I found the solution

of you and say that I found the solution

of you and say that I found the solution because I haven’t and it’s still not

because I haven’t and it’s still not

because I haven’t and it’s still not working when it comes to these children

working when it comes to these children

working when it comes to these children there are still hundreds of them alone

there are still hundreds of them alone

there are still hundreds of them alone and trapped in France and the rest of

and trapped in France and the rest of

and trapped in France and the rest of Europe but what I can say is what it

Europe but what I can say is what it

Europe but what I can say is what it meant for me for me it meant changing

meant for me for me it meant changing

meant for me for me it meant changing how I viewed the law not just looking at

how I viewed the law not just looking at

how I viewed the law not just looking at legal rights but looking to the entire

legal rights but looking to the entire

legal rights but looking to the entire system of how you can access justice and

system of how you can access justice and

system of how you can access justice and there are so many barriers to overcome

there are so many barriers to overcome

there are so many barriers to overcome when accessing justice but one of them

when accessing justice but one of them

when accessing justice but one of them is money and so I decided to leave my

is money and so I decided to leave my

is money and so I decided to leave my job as a lawyer and I joined a nice

job as a lawyer and I joined a nice

job as a lawyer and I joined a nice startup called crowd justice crowd

startup called crowd justice crowd

startup called crowd justice crowd justice is a crowdfunding platform built

justice is a crowdfunding platform built

justice is a crowdfunding platform built for legal cases it uses technology to

for legal cases it uses technology to

for legal cases it uses technology to make the law accessible to everyone by

make the law accessible to everyone by

make the law accessible to everyone by enabling people to raise money for their

enabling people to raise money for their

enabling people to raise money for their legal cases now you can set up a

legal cases now you can set up a

legal cases now you can set up a crowdfunding page describing describing

crowdfunding page describing describing

crowdfunding page describing describing your case what you’re seeking to achieve

your case what you’re seeking to achieve

your case what you’re seeking to achieve why it’s important and then reach out to

why it’s important and then reach out to

why it’s important and then reach out to your community to raise money it’s not

your community to raise money it’s not

your community to raise money it’s not just David against Goliath but thousands

just David against Goliath but thousands

just David against Goliath but thousands of David’s coming together to take on

of David’s coming together to take on

of David’s coming together to take on Goliath and in this way

Goliath and in this way

Goliath and in this way crowdfunding is changing the rules of

crowdfunding is changing the rules of

crowdfunding is changing the rules of the game when it comes to accessing

the game when it comes to accessing

the game when it comes to accessing justice and it’s doing so in three ways

justice and it’s doing so in three ways

justice and it’s doing so in three ways first crowdfunding levels the playing

first crowdfunding levels the playing

first crowdfunding levels the playing fields it breaks down the divide between

fields it breaks down the divide between

fields it breaks down the divide between those who have money and those who don’t

those who have money and those who don’t

those who have money and those who don’t now everyone can access the legal system

now everyone can access the legal system

now everyone can access the legal system not just those who can abort it

not just those who can abort it

not just those who can abort it second crowdfunding empowers communities

second crowdfunding empowers communities

second crowdfunding empowers communities when you donate to a legal case that has

when you donate to a legal case that has

when you donate to a legal case that has a real tangible outcome at the end of it

a real tangible outcome at the end of it

a real tangible outcome at the end of it you’re given a voice a voice you may not

you’re given a voice a voice you may not

you’re given a voice a voice you may not otherwise have had like earlier this

otherwise have had like earlier this

otherwise have had like earlier this year a Quaker and the Methodist minister

year a Quaker and the Methodist minister

year a Quaker and the Methodist minister broke into ba systems to try and disarm

broke into ba systems to try and disarm

broke into ba systems to try and disarm a missile bound for Saudi they did so to

a missile bound for Saudi they did so to

a missile bound for Saudi they did so to save lives in Yemen for the greater good

save lives in Yemen for the greater good

save lives in Yemen for the greater good in crowdfunding their legal defense

in crowdfunding their legal defense

in crowdfunding their legal defense costs they gave everyone the chance to

costs they gave everyone the chance to

costs they gave everyone the chance to speak out against the sale of arms to

speak out against the sale of arms to

speak out against the sale of arms to Saudi and last week they were found not

Saudi and last week they were found not

Saudi and last week they were found not guilty or maybe at speaking out against

guilty or maybe at speaking out against

guilty or maybe at speaking out against climate change by supporting the

climate change by supporting the

climate change by supporting the Portuguese children who were affected by

Portuguese children who were affected by

Portuguese children who were affected by the forest fires this summer and a

the forest fires this summer and a

the forest fires this summer and a landmark piece of litigation in the

landmark piece of litigation in the

landmark piece of litigation in the European courts these are groups who are

European courts these are groups who are

European courts these are groups who are using technology to give people a voice

using technology to give people a voice

using technology to give people a voice and together they’re achieving things

and together they’re achieving things

and together they’re achieving things none of them had thought possible third

none of them had thought possible third

none of them had thought possible third and finally what’s so powerful about

and finally what’s so powerful about

and finally what’s so powerful about crowdfunding is that it means you’re not

crowdfunding is that it means you’re not

crowdfunding is that it means you’re not alone I was scared to leave my job as a

alone I was scared to leave my job as a

alone I was scared to leave my job as a lawyer or something I’ve been doing for

lawyer or something I’ve been doing for

lawyer or something I’ve been doing for years to join a new startup I hadn’t

years to join a new startup I hadn’t

years to join a new startup I hadn’t realized it until then but being a

realized it until then but being a

realized it until then but being a lawyer had become part of my identity

lawyer had become part of my identity

lawyer had become part of my identity but standing up for what you believe in

but standing up for what you believe in

but standing up for what you believe in is scary it takes a brave individual in

is scary it takes a brave individual in

is scary it takes a brave individual in a team of talented lawyers to take on

a team of talented lawyers to take on

a team of talented lawyers to take on the government and to bring about change

the government and to bring about change

the government and to bring about change but now for the first time they’re not

but now for the first time they’re not

but now for the first time they’re not alone now they’ve got the support of all

alone now they’ve got the support of all

alone now they’ve got the support of all those people who have donated to their

those people who have donated to their

those people who have donated to their crowdfunding campaigns we’re only just

crowdfunding campaigns we’re only just

crowdfunding campaigns we’re only just beginning to see the scale of

beginning to see the scale of

beginning to see the scale of harassment across industries but earlier

harassment across industries but earlier

harassment across industries but earlier the sea-air group of women did make that

the sea-air group of women did make that

the sea-air group of women did make that brave decision to speak out about a male

brave decision to speak out about a male

brave decision to speak out about a male musicians treatment towards them they

musicians treatment towards them they

musicians treatment towards them they got hit with a defamation claim to keep

got hit with a defamation claim to keep

got hit with a defamation claim to keep them quiet but they won’t be silenced

them quiet but they won’t be silenced

them quiet but they won’t be silenced and a crowdfunding of their legal

and a crowdfunding of their legal

and a crowdfunding of their legal defense costs they’ve shown us the power

defense costs they’ve shown us the power

defense costs they’ve shown us the power of the community when it comes together

of the community when it comes together

of the community when it comes together how you can use the law to stand up for

how you can use the law to stand up for

how you can use the law to stand up for what you believe in and you don’t have

what you believe in and you don’t have

what you believe in and you don’t have to do it alone

to do it alone

to do it alone and so finally if there’s one thing I’d

and so finally if there’s one thing I’d

and so finally if there’s one thing I’d like you to take away today it’s that

like you to take away today it’s that

like you to take away today it’s that the law is powerful and you can use it

the law is powerful and you can use it

the law is powerful and you can use it to change the way things are done and

to change the way things are done and

to change the way things are done and now for the first time the rules of the

now for the first time the rules of the

now for the first time the rules of the game have changed now you’re not alone

game have changed now you’re not alone

game have changed now you’re not alone thank you

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