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Astronauts, Spectacles, Racing Cars & Broken Bones | Peter Ogrodnik | TEDxStoke


right what I’m going to talk to you

right what I’m going to talk to you today basically is I’m going to try and

today basically is I’m going to try and

today basically is I’m going to try and get over to you passion for engineering

get over to you passion for engineering

get over to you passion for engineering obviously but I’m also going to try and

obviously but I’m also going to try and

obviously but I’m also going to try and put across to you my passion for bone

put across to you my passion for bone

put across to you my passion for bone because bone is a fantastic material if

because bone is a fantastic material if

because bone is a fantastic material if we could just do this much for a

we could just do this much for a

we could just do this much for a material that was like bone it would be

material that was like bone it would be

material that was like bone it would be absolutely amazing now all this work I’m

absolutely amazing now all this work I’m

absolutely amazing now all this work I’m going to be talking about is actually

going to be talking about is actually

going to be talking about is actually done here in this lovely city of ours

done here in this lovely city of ours

done here in this lovely city of ours stoke-on-trent and more importantly with

stoke-on-trent and more importantly with

stoke-on-trent and more importantly with my good friend prof pete thomas an

my good friend prof pete thomas an

my good friend prof pete thomas an orthopedic surgeon based at Stoke isn’t

orthopedic surgeon based at Stoke isn’t

orthopedic surgeon based at Stoke isn’t he lovely there is one of our babies now

he lovely there is one of our babies now

he lovely there is one of our babies now how did someone who is yes I’m not

how did someone who is yes I’m not

how did someone who is yes I’m not scared to say this bullied at school

scared to say this bullied at school

scared to say this bullied at school just for having a foreign sounding name

just for having a foreign sounding name

just for having a foreign sounding name used to race lawnmowers used to do

used to race lawnmowers used to do

used to race lawnmowers used to do amazing equations and computational

amazing equations and computational

amazing equations and computational methods for designing power stations to

methods for designing power stations to

methods for designing power stations to make sure they don’t shake themselves to

make sure they don’t shake themselves to

make sure they don’t shake themselves to bits get to become a professor in

bits get to become a professor in

bits get to become a professor in medical engineering and find out well

medical engineering and find out well

medical engineering and find out well first of all its absolute chance this is

first of all its absolute chance this is

first of all its absolute chance this is my door I was on summer duties one year

my door I was on summer duties one year

my door I was on summer duties one year and a phone was ringing in an office now

and a phone was ringing in an office now

and a phone was ringing in an office now summer duties basically means clearing

summer duties basically means clearing

summer duties basically means clearing so there could be student so I answered

so there could be student so I answered

so there could be student so I answered the phone wasn’t a student on the end

the phone wasn’t a student on the end

the phone wasn’t a student on the end there was someone talking to me in a

there was someone talking to me in a

there was someone talking to me in a language it sounded absolutely what I

language it sounded absolutely what I

language it sounded absolutely what I understood and I thought I can help this

understood and I thought I can help this

understood and I thought I can help this girl out and but actually you nothing

girl out and but actually you nothing

girl out and but actually you nothing about broken bones orthopaedic but one

about broken bones orthopaedic but one

about broken bones orthopaedic but one thing I did know is that bones break

thing I did know is that bones break

thing I did know is that bones break they do and they break every day the

they do and they break every day the

they do and they break every day the bone we’re going to be talking about is

bone we’re going to be talking about is

bone we’re going to be talking about is the tibia my lovely assistant is

the tibia my lovely assistant is

the tibia my lovely assistant is demonstrating you would call it the shin

demonstrating you would call it the shin

demonstrating you would call it the shin and there’s what I prepared earlier as

and there’s what I prepared earlier as

and there’s what I prepared earlier as you can tell it’s broken but I can hear

you can tell it’s broken but I can hear

you can tell it’s broken but I can hear you now there you’re an engineer what do

you now there you’re an engineer what do

you now there you’re an engineer what do you know about orthopedics well my

you know about orthopedics well my

you know about orthopedics well my philosophy for engineering and

philosophy for engineering and

philosophy for engineering and particularly engineering design is very

particularly engineering design is very

particularly engineering design is very simple I have to know absolutely

simple I have to know absolutely

simple I have to know absolutely everything about the area in which i’m

everything about the area in which i’m

everything about the area in which i’m designing to produce a design that works

designing to produce a design that works

designing to produce a design that works if I don’t then I’m afraid good there’s

if I don’t then I’m afraid good there’s

if I don’t then I’m afraid good there’s no excuses you need to know it so I’ll

no excuses you need to know it so I’ll

no excuses you need to know it so I’ll spread the last 25 years learning

spread the last 25 years learning

spread the last 25 years learning orthopedics now you might be surprised

orthopedics now you might be surprised

orthopedics now you might be surprised to know that actually there’s 430 people

to know that actually there’s 430 people

to know that actually there’s 430 people per million

per million

per million head of population per year across the

head of population per year across the

head of population per year across the world who will need an operation to mend

world who will need an operation to mend

world who will need an operation to mend a broken tibia and that’s that’s just

a broken tibia and that’s that’s just

a broken tibia and that’s that’s just the fact the highest at risk are

the fact the highest at risk are

the fact the highest at risk are basically young adult males probably

basically young adult males probably

basically young adult males probably playing football probably riding a

playing football probably riding a

playing football probably riding a motorbike are doing something just as

motorbike are doing something just as

motorbike are doing something just as stupid unfortunately though if you’re

stupid unfortunately though if you’re

stupid unfortunately though if you’re young and you’re female doesn’t mean

young and you’re female doesn’t mean

young and you’re female doesn’t mean you’re immune you can still break a leg

you’re immune you can still break a leg

you’re immune you can still break a leg but luckily for you bones have evolved

but luckily for you bones have evolved

but luckily for you bones have evolved over millions of years to heal they do

over millions of years to heal they do

over millions of years to heal they do it really really really well my job is

it really really really well my job is

it really really really well my job is to design something that helps the bone

to design something that helps the bone

to design something that helps the bone heal not gets in the way the long bone

heal not gets in the way the long bone

heal not gets in the way the long bone we’re talking about tibia is a long bone

we’re talking about tibia is a long bone

we’re talking about tibia is a long bone it hills by calles calles is another

it hills by calles calles is another

it hills by calles calles is another wonderful think it’s nature’s glue think

wonderful think it’s nature’s glue think

wonderful think it’s nature’s glue think of like a hot glue gun if you can

of like a hot glue gun if you can

of like a hot glue gun if you can imagine a hot glue gun in your head over

imagine a hot glue gun in your head over

imagine a hot glue gun in your head over the next bit you understand what I’m one

the next bit you understand what I’m one

the next bit you understand what I’m one about the thing probably that you won’t

about the thing probably that you won’t

about the thing probably that you won’t think about is that actually it’s got to

think about is that actually it’s got to

think about is that actually it’s got to have movement well movement means this

have movement well movement means this

have movement well movement means this the ends move together and it releases

the ends move together and it releases

the ends move together and it releases callous and that callous builds up and

callous and that callous builds up and

callous and that callous builds up and builds up until it actually comes to

builds up until it actually comes to

builds up until it actually comes to halt that’s when the bone is stiff

halt that’s when the bone is stiff

halt that’s when the bone is stiff enough that’s what it’s healed and

enough that’s what it’s healed and

enough that’s what it’s healed and there’s one we’ve prepared earlier

there’s one we’ve prepared earlier

there’s one we’ve prepared earlier notice the lump now on average it takes

notice the lump now on average it takes

notice the lump now on average it takes about 18 weeks for activity to heal can

about 18 weeks for activity to heal can

about 18 weeks for activity to heal can be as long as 24 can be as short as

be as long as 24 can be as short as

be as long as 24 can be as short as eight and a half weeks but what I do can

eight and a half weeks but what I do can

eight and a half weeks but what I do can tell you is if you smoke your delay it

tell you is if you smoke your delay it

tell you is if you smoke your delay it by at least four weeks and you can stop

by at least four weeks and you can stop

by at least four weeks and you can stop it all together there’s the cameraman he

it all together there’s the cameraman he

it all together there’s the cameraman he smokes that’s his reason to stop now

smokes that’s his reason to stop now

smokes that’s his reason to stop now what about that lump where your body

what about that lump where your body

what about that lump where your body remodels itself continuously over your

remodels itself continuously over your

remodels itself continuously over your whole life and the way it works is that

whole life and the way it works is that

whole life and the way it works is that you have these little cells called

you have these little cells called

you have these little cells called osteoclasts their natures diggers they

osteoclasts their natures diggers they

osteoclasts their natures diggers they go around looking for bits of bone that

go around looking for bits of bone that

go around looking for bits of bone that aren’t needed and they get rid of it

aren’t needed and they get rid of it

aren’t needed and they get rid of it osteoblasts are the opposite they lay

osteoblasts are the opposite they lay

osteoblasts are the opposite they lay down bone just like a builder where it’s

down bone just like a builder where it’s

down bone just like a builder where it’s needed it all works under something

needed it all works under something

needed it all works under something which is called Moore’s Law and it’s

which is called Moore’s Law and it’s

which is called Moore’s Law and it’s very simple where a bone is too big

very simple where a bone is too big

very simple where a bone is too big osteoclasts get rid of the bone and ship

osteoclasts get rid of the bone and ship

osteoclasts get rid of the bone and ship it off somewhere else where a bone is

it off somewhere else where a bone is

it off somewhere else where a bone is too small it lays it down and we end up

too small it lays it down and we end up

too small it lays it down and we end up with an optimum solution if you’ve got a

with an optimum solution if you’ve got a

with an optimum solution if you’ve got a small load you’ll have a small bone if

small load you’ll have a small bone if

small load you’ll have a small bone if you’ve got a big load you’ll have a big

you’ve got a big load you’ll have a big

you’ve got a big load you’ll have a big boat

boat

boat this is one of the reasons why

this is one of the reasons why

this is one of the reasons why astronauts have to exercise in space

astronauts have to exercise in space

astronauts have to exercise in space because in space not only does no one

because in space not only does no one

because in space not only does no one hear you scream but also there’s no

hear you scream but also there’s no

hear you scream but also there’s no gravity and because there’s no gravity

gravity and because there’s no gravity

gravity and because there’s no gravity there’s no load on the bones of those

there’s no load on the bones of those

there’s no load on the bones of those osteocytes thinks it’s party time at the

osteocytes thinks it’s party time at the

osteocytes thinks it’s party time at the buffet so if they don’t exercise when

buffet so if they don’t exercise when

buffet so if they don’t exercise when they come back won’t be a pretty sight

they come back won’t be a pretty sight

they come back won’t be a pretty sight let’s get back to mending tibias if

let’s get back to mending tibias if

let’s get back to mending tibias if you’re unlucky enough to go to hospital

you’re unlucky enough to go to hospital

you’re unlucky enough to go to hospital with a broken leg the first thing is

with a broken leg the first thing is

with a broken leg the first thing is they’ll say is it a stable or an

they’ll say is it a stable or an

they’ll say is it a stable or an unstable fracture a stable fracture is

unstable fracture a stable fracture is

unstable fracture a stable fracture is basically one where if you load the ends

basically one where if you load the ends

basically one where if you load the ends the ends come together and nothing very

the ends come together and nothing very

the ends come together and nothing very much happens an unstable fracture has

much happens an unstable fracture has

much happens an unstable fracture has got a more complex shape and if you load

got a more complex shape and if you load

got a more complex shape and if you load it and the ends come together ping off

it and the ends come together ping off

it and the ends come together ping off it goes in a different direction at one

it goes in a different direction at one

it goes in a different direction at one leg ends up shorter than the other

leg ends up shorter than the other

leg ends up shorter than the other there’s that example again stable

there’s that example again stable

there’s that example again stable fractures you’ll seeing them in plastic

fractures you’ll seeing them in plastic

fractures you’ll seeing them in plastic a stool over the place unstable

a stool over the place unstable

a stool over the place unstable fractures need a bit more support they

fractures need a bit more support they

fractures need a bit more support they need metal work and those an example

need metal work and those an example

need metal work and those an example it’s an external fixator it’s called

it’s an external fixator it’s called

it’s an external fixator it’s called external because it’s outside the body

external because it’s outside the body

external because it’s outside the body and fix means it’s mending it the bit I

and fix means it’s mending it the bit I

and fix means it’s mending it the bit I want you to look at is the bit in the

want you to look at is the bit in the

want you to look at is the bit in the middle because that’s before we started

middle because that’s before we started

middle because that’s before we started our work and we’re going to see that

our work and we’re going to see that

our work and we’re going to see that again in a moment it’s got to come off

again in a moment it’s got to come off

again in a moment it’s got to come off and the way most surgeons will do it is

and the way most surgeons will do it is

and the way most surgeons will do it is they look at your x-rays they look at

they look at your x-rays they look at

they look at your x-rays they look at they look at manipulating the fracture

they look at manipulating the fracture

they look at manipulating the fracture unfortunately those are those methods

unfortunately those are those methods

unfortunately those are those methods are pretty inaccurate which means that

are pretty inaccurate which means that

are pretty inaccurate which means that the most common occurrence is someone

the most common occurrence is someone

the most common occurrence is someone says come back in a few weeks you might

says come back in a few weeks you might

says come back in a few weeks you might be ready then which to an engineer is

be ready then which to an engineer is

be ready then which to an engineer is like a red rag to a bull it’s a bit like

like a red rag to a bull it’s a bit like

like a red rag to a bull it’s a bit like saying I’ll turn on that nuclear power

saying I’ll turn on that nuclear power

saying I’ll turn on that nuclear power station it hasn’t blown up by next week

station it hasn’t blown up by next week

station it hasn’t blown up by next week it’s okay it’s going to work now I want

it’s okay it’s going to work now I want

it’s okay it’s going to work now I want numbers so there was obviously room for

numbers so there was obviously room for

numbers so there was obviously room for improvement now Peter and I soon

improvement now Peter and I soon

improvement now Peter and I soon realized actually those fixators

realized actually those fixators

realized actually those fixators performed two jobs and not very well so

performed two jobs and not very well so

performed two jobs and not very well so let’s divide them into two the first job

let’s divide them into two the first job

let’s divide them into two the first job is reduction that’s basically bringing

is reduction that’s basically bringing

is reduction that’s basically bringing the bones back into alignment now you’re

the bones back into alignment now you’re

the bones back into alignment now you’re probably imagining something really

probably imagining something really

probably imagining something really sophisticated I did know it’s actually a

sophisticated I did know it’s actually a

sophisticated I did know it’s actually a very large assistant pulling on

very large assistant pulling on

very large assistant pulling on someone’s leg for about an hour and I’m

someone’s leg for about an hour and I’m

someone’s leg for about an hour and I’m not joking so there was clearly

not joking so there was clearly

not joking so there was clearly something there there it is there’s our

something there there it is there’s our

something there there it is there’s our mechanical assistance we call it storm

mechanical assistance we call it storm

mechanical assistance we call it storm because it’s this Stafford shear notice

because it’s this Stafford shear notice

because it’s this Stafford shear notice where it’s been designed orthopedic

where it’s been designed orthopedic

where it’s been designed orthopedic reduction machine

reduction machine

reduction machine now what’s it done before and after it’s

now what’s it done before and after it’s

now what’s it done before and after it’s not too difficult to see what change

not too difficult to see what change

not too difficult to see what change we’ve made because the one that was done

we’ve made because the one that was done

we’ve made because the one that was done with storm you can’t even see the

with storm you can’t even see the

with storm you can’t even see the fracture site the other thing is is that

fracture site the other thing is is that

fracture site the other thing is is that the fixator doesn’t need any joints

the fixator doesn’t need any joints

the fixator doesn’t need any joints anymore because all in the other part

anymore because all in the other part

anymore because all in the other part we’re not the only ones you like it

we’re not the only ones you like it

we’re not the only ones you like it other people do then he trouble is I

other people do then he trouble is I

other people do then he trouble is I think we must had too much to drink

think we must had too much to drink

think we must had too much to drink because we just cannot remember what we

because we just cannot remember what we

because we just cannot remember what we were laughing at now the second job they

were laughing at now the second job they

were laughing at now the second job they have to do is it’s in the title it’s

have to do is it’s in the title it’s

have to do is it’s in the title it’s fixed that’s how a little baby but it

fixed that’s how a little baby but it

fixed that’s how a little baby but it hides a lot of complex stuff inside

hides a lot of complex stuff inside

hides a lot of complex stuff inside there there’s an optimum environment for

there there’s an optimum environment for

there there’s an optimum environment for callus formation not only that the

callus formation not only that the

callus formation not only that the callus is formed by people walking

callus is formed by people walking

callus is formed by people walking notice that they’ve got normal shoes on

notice that they’ve got normal shoes on

notice that they’ve got normal shoes on a normal trousers in fact most patients

a normal trousers in fact most patients

a normal trousers in fact most patients walk the next day after operation the

walk the next day after operation the

walk the next day after operation the way it happens basically comes from if

way it happens basically comes from if

way it happens basically comes from if you draw a graph of strength to weight

you draw a graph of strength to weight

you draw a graph of strength to weight ratio anything that’s got a high

ratio anything that’s got a high

ratio anything that’s got a high strength to weight ratio there’s too

strength to weight ratio there’s too

strength to weight ratio there’s too much material will be up above spiders

much material will be up above spiders

much material will be up above spiders webs are really good they’re down the

webs are really good they’re down the

webs are really good they’re down the bottom that’s where the iOS would be not

bottom that’s where the iOS would be not

bottom that’s where the iOS would be not piece of material is wasted same thing

piece of material is wasted same thing

piece of material is wasted same thing goes if the patient’s going to wear it

goes if the patient’s going to wear it

goes if the patient’s going to wear it you need to be functional scorpions

you need to be functional scorpions

you need to be functional scorpions brilliant adapted not very pretty as far

brilliant adapted not very pretty as far

brilliant adapted not very pretty as far as I’m concerned spectacles however

as I’m concerned spectacles however

as I’m concerned spectacles however everyone has got to wear them you pick

everyone has got to wear them you pick

everyone has got to wear them you pick them patients like iOS that’s still got

them patients like iOS that’s still got

them patients like iOS that’s still got to come off we used to use really

to come off we used to use really

to come off we used to use really difficult equipment to measure the

difficult equipment to measure the

difficult equipment to measure the stiffness of the fracture accurately but

stiffness of the fracture accurately but

stiffness of the fracture accurately but it was very time-consuming and

it was very time-consuming and

it was very time-consuming and cumbersome so we built it into our

cumbersome so we built it into our

cumbersome so we built it into our office itself if those pins don’t touch

office itself if those pins don’t touch

office itself if those pins don’t touch the side when he manipulate it the

the side when he manipulate it the

the side when he manipulate it the fractures healed if it does then it’s

fractures healed if it does then it’s

fractures healed if it does then it’s not healed 400 patients and stoke have

not healed 400 patients and stoke have

not healed 400 patients and stoke have been assessed with that now and it works

been assessed with that now and it works

been assessed with that now and it works beautifully no wise no computers but

beautifully no wise no computers but

beautifully no wise no computers but they still have to come back to clinic

they still have to come back to clinic

they still have to come back to clinic now are they walking where they’re

now are they walking where they’re

now are they walking where they’re supposed to or are they we don’t know

supposed to or are they we don’t know

supposed to or are they we don’t know when they go home so we started

when they go home so we started

when they go home so we started monitoring them at home there’s a little

monitoring them at home there’s a little

monitoring them at home there’s a little thing collect the data and we end up

thing collect the data and we end up

thing collect the data and we end up with the graph that looks like this at

with the graph that looks like this at

with the graph that looks like this at the beginning not very much is going on

the beginning not very much is going on

the beginning not very much is going on because it

because it

because it at the end it’s tailing off because the

at the end it’s tailing off because the

at the end it’s tailing off because the fractures healing but they still have to

fractures healing but they still have to

fractures healing but they still have to come back to clinic to get the data one

come back to clinic to get the data one

come back to clinic to get the data one we’re bagging on about this sixty

we’re bagging on about this sixty

we’re bagging on about this sixty percent of clinics involved someone just

percent of clinics involved someone just

percent of clinics involved someone just saying you’ll find come back in four

saying you’ll find come back in four

saying you’ll find come back in four weeks they’re redundant be much better

weeks they’re redundant be much better

weeks they’re redundant be much better if they don’t have to you could do that

if they don’t have to you could do that

if they don’t have to you could do that on the telephone so we’ve started going

on the telephone so we’ve started going

on the telephone so we’ve started going to Internet of Things technology there

to Internet of Things technology there

to Internet of Things technology there it is on someone’s what it would look

it is on someone’s what it would look

it is on someone’s what it would look like on someone’s leg and what it would

like on someone’s leg and what it would

like on someone’s leg and what it would look like when someone’s walking it will

look like when someone’s walking it will

look like when someone’s walking it will send the data up to a computer and that

send the data up to a computer and that

send the data up to a computer and that computer will then send the data back to

computer will then send the data back to

computer will then send the data back to the patient or the surgeon now if

the patient or the surgeon now if

the patient or the surgeon now if nothing’s awry and everything is going

nothing’s awry and everything is going

nothing’s awry and everything is going to plan does that patient have to come

to plan does that patient have to come

to plan does that patient have to come back to clinic no they can be rung up

back to clinic no they can be rung up

back to clinic no they can be rung up and said he’s going very well in fact

and said he’s going very well in fact

and said he’s going very well in fact they could look at it themselves tada

they could look at it themselves tada

they could look at it themselves tada sixty percent of clinics gone sixty

sixty percent of clinics gone sixty

sixty percent of clinics gone sixty percent of clinics gone means that

percent of clinics gone means that

percent of clinics gone means that people don’t have to take days off work

people don’t have to take days off work

people don’t have to take days off work to take their friends or brothers or

to take their friends or brothers or

to take their friends or brothers or sisters in the hospital sixty percent of

sisters in the hospital sixty percent of

sisters in the hospital sixty percent of clinics gone means is less traffic less

clinics gone means is less traffic less

clinics gone means is less traffic less traffic means is more parking less

traffic means is more parking less

traffic means is more parking less traffic means there’s less co2 emission

traffic means there’s less co2 emission

traffic means there’s less co2 emission and the number is enormous for a clinic

and the number is enormous for a clinic

and the number is enormous for a clinic that’s the estimate for one clinic for

that’s the estimate for one clinic for

that’s the estimate for one clinic for one year now I’ve gone full circle now

one year now I’ve gone full circle now

one year now I’ve gone full circle now because at the beginning i was using

because at the beginning i was using

because at the beginning i was using complex equations to model power

complex equations to model power

complex equations to model power stations i now use those same equations

stations i now use those same equations

stations i now use those same equations to model how fractures heal in the late

to model how fractures heal in the late

to model how fractures heal in the late 80s Early 90s actually went to an

80s Early 90s actually went to an

80s Early 90s actually went to an esteemed panel or I proposed that we

esteemed panel or I proposed that we

esteemed panel or I proposed that we could connect all the power stations

could connect all the power stations

could connect all the power stations together in the world send the data to a

together in the world send the data to a

together in the world send the data to a host computer and that host computer

host computer and that host computer

host computer and that host computer would analyze all of that and better

would analyze all of that and better

would analyze all of that and better predict what was going on I was laughed

predict what was going on I was laughed

predict what was going on I was laughed out of the room they’ll went Sydney data

out of the room they’ll went Sydney data

out of the room they’ll went Sydney data over the ether are you mad well if only

over the ether are you mad well if only

over the ether are you mad well if only they could see me now boy am I glad I

they could see me now boy am I glad I

they could see me now boy am I glad I answered that phone thank

answered that phone thank

answered that phone thank [Applause]

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