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Artificial Intelligence Can Change the future of Medical Diagnosis | Shinjini Kundu | TEDxPittsburgh


in 1895 a man took a picture on hand

in 1895 a man took a picture on hand this hand picture was so mind-boggling

this hand picture was so mind-boggling

this hand picture was so mind-boggling that he won a Nobel Prize and it changed

that he won a Nobel Prize and it changed

that he won a Nobel Prize and it changed the world his name Wilhelm roentgen and

the world his name Wilhelm roentgen and

the world his name Wilhelm roentgen and I present to you the first medical image

I present to you the first medical image

I present to you the first medical image ever taken this is the world’s first

ever taken this is the world’s first

ever taken this is the world’s first x-ray this may not look very impressive

x-ray this may not look very impressive

x-ray this may not look very impressive to you today but at the time it was

to you today but at the time it was

to you today but at the time it was genius because this was the first time

genius because this was the first time

genius because this was the first time we could look inside of the human body

we could look inside of the human body

we could look inside of the human body without having to slice someone open and

without having to slice someone open and

without having to slice someone open and indeed medical imaging has changed the

indeed medical imaging has changed the

indeed medical imaging has changed the face of medicine in the last hundred

face of medicine in the last hundred

face of medicine in the last hundred years since roentgen imaging still

years since roentgen imaging still

years since roentgen imaging still represents one of the fastest growing

represents one of the fastest growing

represents one of the fastest growing sources of medical data let me ask you a

sources of medical data let me ask you a

sources of medical data let me ask you a question how many of you have gotten a

question how many of you have gotten a

question how many of you have gotten a mammogram a cat scan an MRI an x-ray can

mammogram a cat scan an MRI an x-ray can

mammogram a cat scan an MRI an x-ray can I see by a show of hands please that’s

I see by a show of hands please that’s

I see by a show of hands please that’s incredible because it seems that almost

incredible because it seems that almost

incredible because it seems that almost everyone here has benefited from medical

everyone here has benefited from medical

everyone here has benefited from medical imaging technology in some way or

imaging technology in some way or

imaging technology in some way or another

another

another you see we begin to realize that imaging

you see we begin to realize that imaging

you see we begin to realize that imaging can sometimes reveal a disease even

can sometimes reveal a disease even

can sometimes reveal a disease even before you feel it and for diseases like

before you feel it and for diseases like

before you feel it and for diseases like cancer the earlier we diagnosed the more

cancer the earlier we diagnosed the more

cancer the earlier we diagnosed the more likely you’ll survive this is why we

likely you’ll survive this is why we

likely you’ll survive this is why we started screening people who exhibit no

started screening people who exhibit no

started screening people who exhibit no signs or symptoms of disease pap smears

signs or symptoms of disease pap smears

signs or symptoms of disease pap smears mammograms colonoscopies all examples of

mammograms colonoscopies all examples of

mammograms colonoscopies all examples of screening tests that are recommended to

screening tests that are recommended to

screening tests that are recommended to everyone at certain ages we know that

everyone at certain ages we know that

everyone at certain ages we know that diagnosing a disease early saves lives

diagnosing a disease early saves lives

diagnosing a disease early saves lives it reduces treatment costs and it

it reduces treatment costs and it

it reduces treatment costs and it reduces soum

reduces soum

reduces soum much patient suffering unfortunately

much patient suffering unfortunately

much patient suffering unfortunately though most diseases are still diagnosed

though most diseases are still diagnosed

though most diseases are still diagnosed at advanced stages you see the problem

at advanced stages you see the problem

at advanced stages you see the problem with detecting these diseases early is

with detecting these diseases early is

with detecting these diseases early is that as you turn back the clock visible

that as you turn back the clock visible

that as you turn back the clock visible evidence of disease becomes smaller and

evidence of disease becomes smaller and

evidence of disease becomes smaller and smaller until it vanishes before the

smaller until it vanishes before the

smaller until it vanishes before the naked eye so realistically how early can

naked eye so realistically how early can

naked eye so realistically how early can we detect these diseases there’s hope

we detect these diseases there’s hope

we detect these diseases there’s hope because it turns out that there is an

because it turns out that there is an

because it turns out that there is an invisible side to imaging small changes

invisible side to imaging small changes

invisible side to imaging small changes that your eyes can’t see still exist and

that your eyes can’t see still exist and

that your eyes can’t see still exist and in my research I’ve shown that these

in my research I’ve shown that these

in my research I’ve shown that these hidden patterns can sometimes be decoded

hidden patterns can sometimes be decoded

hidden patterns can sometimes be decoded with the help of a computer and

with the help of a computer and

with the help of a computer and sometimes these patterns contain secrets

sometimes these patterns contain secrets

sometimes these patterns contain secrets about the imminence of disease that we

about the imminence of disease that we

about the imminence of disease that we never knew so let me give you an example

never knew so let me give you an example

never knew so let me give you an example osteoarthritis is one of those diseases

osteoarthritis is one of those diseases

osteoarthritis is one of those diseases that we can’t detect until the damage

that we can’t detect until the damage

that we can’t detect until the damage has been done in this room more than one

has been done in this room more than one

has been done in this room more than one in ten of us will develop osteoarthritis

in ten of us will develop osteoarthritis

in ten of us will develop osteoarthritis in our knee this is the disease in which

in our knee this is the disease in which

in our knee this is the disease in which the thin cushion of cartilage between

the thin cushion of cartilage between

the thin cushion of cartilage between two bones falls apart causing bone to

two bones falls apart causing bone to

two bones falls apart causing bone to grind painfully on bone oh it makes me

grind painfully on bone oh it makes me

grind painfully on bone oh it makes me cringe just thinking about it but today

cringe just thinking about it but today

cringe just thinking about it but today doctors can’t see osteoarthritis until

doctors can’t see osteoarthritis until

doctors can’t see osteoarthritis until after bone damage and pain have

after bone damage and pain have

after bone damage and pain have developed now about to show you an x-ray

developed now about to show you an x-ray

developed now about to show you an x-ray that shows some very subtle signs of

that shows some very subtle signs of

that shows some very subtle signs of bone damage so be sure to look this is

bone damage so be sure to look this is

bone damage so be sure to look this is what your x-ray might look like the

what your x-ray might look like the

what your x-ray might look like the first time you’re diagnosed with

first time you’re diagnosed with

first time you’re diagnosed with osteoarthritis but there’s evidence that

osteoarthritis but there’s evidence that

osteoarthritis but there’s evidence that the disease begins long before that

the disease begins long before that

the disease begins long before that inside the cartilage so why can’t we

inside the cartilage so why can’t we

inside the cartilage so why can’t we just look at the cartilage to diagnose

just look at the cartilage to diagnose

just look at the cartilage to diagnose the disease so let’s take a trip back in

the disease so let’s take a trip back in

the disease so let’s take a trip back in time and let’s actually take a look some

time and let’s actually take a look some

time and let’s actually take a look some images of cartilage these are magnetic

images of cartilage these are magnetic

images of cartilage these are magnetic resonance images or MRIs

resonance images or MRIs

resonance images or MRIs of knee cartilage these are all healthy

of knee cartilage these are all healthy

of knee cartilage these are all healthy people each scan belongs to a different

people each scan belongs to a different

people each scan belongs to a different subject the different colors here

subject the different colors here

subject the different colors here represent the different ingredients that

represent the different ingredients that

represent the different ingredients that make up cartilage and we know that three

make up cartilage and we know that three

make up cartilage and we know that three years down the line one of these groups

years down the line one of these groups

years down the line one of these groups will receive a diagnosis of

will receive a diagnosis of

will receive a diagnosis of osteoarthritis but the other group won’t

osteoarthritis but the other group won’t

osteoarthritis but the other group won’t and the question is which group is which

and the question is which group is which

and the question is which group is which you see the problem is that our eyes

you see the problem is that our eyes

you see the problem is that our eyes can’t seem to detect

can’t seem to detect

can’t seem to detect a difference between these groups of

a difference between these groups of

a difference between these groups of patients even experts can’t tell what’s

patients even experts can’t tell what’s

patients even experts can’t tell what’s wrong here so does that mean that three

wrong here so does that mean that three

wrong here so does that mean that three years before bone damage develops

years before bone damage develops

years before bone damage develops there’s nothing to see in the cartilage

there’s nothing to see in the cartilage

there’s nothing to see in the cartilage or could we possibly find evidence of

or could we possibly find evidence of

or could we possibly find evidence of early disease that eludes the naked eye

early disease that eludes the naked eye

early disease that eludes the naked eye with the help of a computer ten years

with the help of a computer ten years

with the help of a computer ten years ago I started studying signals signals

ago I started studying signals signals

ago I started studying signals signals are the way that computers understand

are the way that computers understand

are the way that computers understand and process the world and I wanted to

and process the world and I wanted to

and process the world and I wanted to teach a computer to recognize patterns

teach a computer to recognize patterns

teach a computer to recognize patterns and medical images the same way that

and medical images the same way that

and medical images the same way that your personal assistant Syrian Alexa can

your personal assistant Syrian Alexa can

your personal assistant Syrian Alexa can recognize your voice today by using

recognize your voice today by using

recognize your voice today by using something called machine learning the

something called machine learning the

something called machine learning the basic premise behind machine learning is

basic premise behind machine learning is

basic premise behind machine learning is to program a computer that can learn on

to program a computer that can learn on

to program a computer that can learn on its own with experience so the way that

its own with experience so the way that

its own with experience so the way that it works is that we feed in the images

it works is that we feed in the images

it works is that we feed in the images and whether that person goes on to

and whether that person goes on to

and whether that person goes on to develop osteoarthritis three years down

develop osteoarthritis three years down

develop osteoarthritis three years down the line and the computer sips through

the line and the computer sips through

the line and the computer sips through the images to try to determine whether

the images to try to determine whether

the images to try to determine whether there is a pattern that can

there is a pattern that can

there is a pattern that can differentiate osteoarthritis progresses

differentiate osteoarthritis progresses

differentiate osteoarthritis progresses from healthy people in my research I

from healthy people in my research I

from healthy people in my research I developed a technique called transport

developed a technique called transport

developed a technique called transport based morphometry which teaches the

based morphometry which teaches the

based morphometry which teaches the computer to learn interrelationships

computer to learn interrelationships

computer to learn interrelationships between pixels rather than trying to

between pixels rather than trying to

between pixels rather than trying to focus on finding one particular pixel

focus on finding one particular pixel

focus on finding one particular pixel within

within

within the image and the true elegance of this

the image and the true elegance of this

the image and the true elegance of this technique is that transport based

technique is that transport based

technique is that transport based morphometry can come back and teach us

morphometry can come back and teach us

morphometry can come back and teach us the patterns that the computer has

the patterns that the computer has

the patterns that the computer has learned okay so at this point you’re all

learned okay so at this point you’re all

learned okay so at this point you’re all probably dying to know whether the

probably dying to know whether the

probably dying to know whether the computer can teleport these images that

computer can teleport these images that

computer can teleport these images that we couldn’t teleport right so it turns

we couldn’t teleport right so it turns

we couldn’t teleport right so it turns out that on an image of knee cartilage

out that on an image of knee cartilage

out that on an image of knee cartilage that the computer has never seen before

that the computer has never seen before

that the computer has never seen before it can predict whether that person goes

it can predict whether that person goes

it can predict whether that person goes on to develop osteoarthritis three years

on to develop osteoarthritis three years

on to develop osteoarthritis three years down the line with 86 percent accuracy

and because these machines learn with

and because these machines learn with experience they’ll only get better and

experience they’ll only get better and

experience they’ll only get better and better as we feed in more scams now

better as we feed in more scams now

better as we feed in more scams now remember that doctors today have no way

remember that doctors today have no way

remember that doctors today have no way of diagnosing osteoarthritis three years

of diagnosing osteoarthritis three years

of diagnosing osteoarthritis three years prior to symptoms imagine what three

prior to symptoms imagine what three

prior to symptoms imagine what three years means in a person’s life if I knew

years means in a person’s life if I knew

years means in a person’s life if I knew that I would develop osteoarthritis

that I would develop osteoarthritis

that I would develop osteoarthritis three years from now I would take steps

three years from now I would take steps

three years from now I would take steps today to try to stave off the disease

today to try to stave off the disease

today to try to stave off the disease for as long as possible

okay now you’re probably wondering well

okay now you’re probably wondering well what is the computer seeing that we

what is the computer seeing that we

what is the computer seeing that we can’t see right well these images are

can’t see right well these images are

can’t see right well these images are computer-generated MRIs and the red here

computer-generated MRIs and the red here

computer-generated MRIs and the red here indicates the presence of water which we

indicates the presence of water which we

indicates the presence of water which we already know but what we didn’t know was

already know but what we didn’t know was

already know but what we didn’t know was that what the computer can use to

that what the computer can use to

that what the computer can use to diagnose osteoarthritis in the future

diagnose osteoarthritis in the future

diagnose osteoarthritis in the future is the diffusion of water you see to the

is the diffusion of water you see to the

is the diffusion of water you see to the far left we see an image of a person is

far left we see an image of a person is

far left we see an image of a person is completely healthy and the water here is

completely healthy and the water here is

completely healthy and the water here is evenly distributed throughout the

evenly distributed throughout the

evenly distributed throughout the cartilage on the far right we see an

cartilage on the far right we see an

cartilage on the far right we see an image of a person who goes on to develop

image of a person who goes on to develop

image of a person who goes on to develop osteoarthritis three years from now and

osteoarthritis three years from now and

osteoarthritis three years from now and the water pulls to the center of the

the water pulls to the center of the

the water pulls to the center of the cartilage just as potholes in the road

cartilage just as potholes in the road

cartilage just as potholes in the road accumulate water the pooling of water

accumulate water the pooling of water

accumulate water the pooling of water suggests that there’s a weakening of

suggests that there’s a weakening of

suggests that there’s a weakening of cartilage at that location and it’s

cartilage at that location and it’s

cartilage at that location and it’s incredible that this is the first time

incredible that this is the first time

incredible that this is the first time we can see early evidence of disease in

we can see early evidence of disease in

we can see early evidence of disease in the cartilage even though it’s been

the cartilage even though it’s been

the cartilage even though it’s been there the whole time on literally

there the whole time on literally

there the whole time on literally million

million

million of scans that physicians have seen we

of scans that physicians have seen we

of scans that physicians have seen we can finally see these changes through

can finally see these changes through

can finally see these changes through the eyes of a computer teaching us what

the eyes of a computer teaching us what

the eyes of a computer teaching us what to look for now you’re probably

to look for now you’re probably

to look for now you’re probably wondering why do we need to look through

wondering why do we need to look through

wondering why do we need to look through the eyes of a computer why couldn’t we

the eyes of a computer why couldn’t we

the eyes of a computer why couldn’t we see this on our own to which I would

see this on our own to which I would

see this on our own to which I would answer that remember that everyone’s

answer that remember that everyone’s

answer that remember that everyone’s knees a little bit different so when you

knees a little bit different so when you

knees a little bit different so when you look at a picture of knee cartilage your

look at a picture of knee cartilage your

look at a picture of knee cartilage your eyes become saturated with the normal

eyes become saturated with the normal

eyes become saturated with the normal variability that can happen from person

variability that can happen from person

variability that can happen from person to person but when the computer looks at

to person but when the computer looks at

to person but when the computer looks at the image it can really zero in on

the image it can really zero in on

the image it can really zero in on Stevan subtle differences in water

Stevan subtle differences in water

Stevan subtle differences in water content so this is why the computer can

content so this is why the computer can

content so this is why the computer can recognize early signs of disease while

recognize early signs of disease while

recognize early signs of disease while your eyes can’t cracking this puzzle was

your eyes can’t cracking this puzzle was

your eyes can’t cracking this puzzle was no easy feat science is built on

no easy feat science is built on

no easy feat science is built on accumulated knowledge and I’d like to

accumulated knowledge and I’d like to

accumulated knowledge and I’d like to thank my collaborators and colleagues I

thank my collaborators and colleagues I

thank my collaborators and colleagues I could not have done this without them

could not have done this without them

could not have done this without them early detection of osteoarthritis was a

early detection of osteoarthritis was a

early detection of osteoarthritis was a great starting place for me because for

great starting place for me because for

great starting place for me because for me it highlighted the power of machine

me it highlighted the power of machine

me it highlighted the power of machine learning to be able to push our human

learning to be able to push our human

learning to be able to push our human capabilities we could finally find

capabilities we could finally find

capabilities we could finally find things that we never knew to look for

things that we never knew to look for

things that we never knew to look for and we never even knew existed and to

and we never even knew existed and to

and we never even knew existed and to think of the myriad diseases where we

think of the myriad diseases where we

think of the myriad diseases where we can apply this technique today we don’t

can apply this technique today we don’t

can apply this technique today we don’t understand how many diseases arise and

understand how many diseases arise and

understand how many diseases arise and develop particularly in the brain

develop particularly in the brain

develop particularly in the brain Alzheimer’s autism schizophrenia are

Alzheimer’s autism schizophrenia are

Alzheimer’s autism schizophrenia are examples but in the future we may be

examples but in the future we may be

examples but in the future we may be able to understand how these diseases

able to understand how these diseases

able to understand how these diseases start and identify new targets for

start and identify new targets for

start and identify new targets for treatment today we can’t diagnose

treatment today we can’t diagnose

treatment today we can’t diagnose diseases until after symptoms develop

diseases until after symptoms develop

diseases until after symptoms develop and by then it might be too late in the

and by then it might be too late in the

and by then it might be too late in the future we might be able to diagnose

future we might be able to diagnose

future we might be able to diagnose diseases before they develop and we

diseases before they develop and we

diseases before they develop and we might have the opportunity to halt the

might have the opportunity to halt the

might have the opportunity to halt the disease before it even begins I’m

disease before it even begins I’m

disease before it even begins I’m working to get this technology in the

working to get this technology in the

working to get this technology in the hands of your doctors within the next 10

hands of your doctors within the next 10

hands of your doctors within the next 10 years but for that what needs to happen

years but for that what needs to happen

years but for that what needs to happen first because these machines learn with

first because these machines learn with

first because these machines learn with experience

experience

experience we need vast amounts of patient data to

we need vast amounts of patient data to

we need vast amounts of patient data to ensure that these computers become

ensure that these computers become

ensure that these computers become smarter and more accurate in diagnosing

smarter and more accurate in diagnosing

smarter and more accurate in diagnosing fortunately this computer lives in our

fortunately this computer lives in our

fortunately this computer lives in our hospitals today second we need to build

hospitals today second we need to build

hospitals today second we need to build a community of people who can accelerate

a community of people who can accelerate

a community of people who can accelerate this work and bring benefits to patients

this work and bring benefits to patients

this work and bring benefits to patients sooner rather than later

sooner rather than later

sooner rather than later just as in 1895 with the first rent

just as in 1895 with the first rent

just as in 1895 with the first rent Gunnar Graham the face of Medicine is

Gunnar Graham the face of Medicine is

Gunnar Graham the face of Medicine is about to change again because this is

about to change again because this is

about to change again because this is the first time we can see not the

the first time we can see not the

the first time we can see not the visible but the invisible changes in the

visible but the invisible changes in the

visible but the invisible changes in the human body that allow us to diagnose a

human body that allow us to diagnose a

human body that allow us to diagnose a disease even before it develops now all

disease even before it develops now all

disease even before it develops now all we need is curiosity and an open mind

we need is curiosity and an open mind

we need is curiosity and an open mind thank you

thank you

thank you [Applause]

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