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A Six-legged March Toward Regenerative Agriculture | Jonathan Lundgren | TEDxBrookings


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entomologists liked to joke that we’re

entomologists liked to joke that we’re the biologists that have jobs and

the biologists that have jobs and

the biologists that have jobs and there’s some truth to that because

there’s some truth to that because

there’s some truth to that because because there’s a lot of pests

because there’s a lot of pests

because there’s a lot of pests humans have been battling against

humans have been battling against

humans have been battling against against bugs for for millennia these

against bugs for for millennia these

against bugs for for millennia these things eat our big destroy our houses

things eat our big destroy our houses

things eat our big destroy our houses they they bite our children in the night

they they bite our children in the night

they they bite our children in the night they eat our food right you know how

they eat our food right you know how

they eat our food right you know how many picnics insects have wrecked it’s a

many picnics insects have wrecked it’s a

many picnics insects have wrecked it’s a lot it’s a lot and insects have killed

lot it’s a lot and insects have killed

lot it’s a lot and insects have killed more more soldiers than bullets or bombs

more more soldiers than bullets or bombs

more more soldiers than bullets or bombs have through disease transmission

have through disease transmission

have through disease transmission insects throughout human history have

insects throughout human history have

insects throughout human history have changed the tides of war where we’ve

changed the tides of war where we’ve

changed the tides of war where we’ve decided to call a nice things like this

decided to call a nice things like this

decided to call a nice things like this but not all insects are pests in fact

but not all insects are pests in fact

but not all insects are pests in fact just the finest sliver of the insect

just the finest sliver of the insect

just the finest sliver of the insect community are hurting people the vast

community are hurting people the vast

community are hurting people the vast majority and this is true so much of

majority and this is true so much of

majority and this is true so much of biodiversity right we always focus on

biodiversity right we always focus on

biodiversity right we always focus on the pests but so much of the life that’s

the pests but so much of the life that’s

the pests but so much of the life that’s out there we couldn’t live without and

out there we couldn’t live without and

out there we couldn’t live without and so that’s what I study I study how

so that’s what I study I study how

so that’s what I study I study how insects help people rather than how they

insects help people rather than how they

insects help people rather than how they hurt people and there’s a lot of ways

hurt people and there’s a lot of ways

hurt people and there’s a lot of ways and topologists estimate that insects

and topologists estimate that insects

and topologists estimate that insects contribute between tens and hundreds of

contribute between tens and hundreds of

contribute between tens and hundreds of billions of dollars annually to to to

billions of dollars annually to to to

billions of dollars annually to to to the US economy alone how do they do that

the US economy alone how do they do that

the US economy alone how do they do that well they do things right if you like to

well they do things right if you like to

well they do things right if you like to hunt or fish or bird watch think a bug

hunt or fish or bird watch think a bug

hunt or fish or bird watch think a bug insects are the are the the basis of

insects are the are the the basis of

insects are the are the the basis of these food webs that that support the

these food webs that that support the

these food webs that that support the wildlife that we that we appreciate

wildlife that we that we appreciate

wildlife that we that we appreciate insects provide services they provide

insects provide services they provide

insects provide services they provide products and values these are some of my

products and values these are some of my

products and values these are some of my girls here honey production is a billion

girls here honey production is a billion

girls here honey production is a billion dollar industry we wouldn’t have fruits

dollar industry we wouldn’t have fruits

dollar industry we wouldn’t have fruits and vegetables without these managed

and vegetables without these managed

and vegetables without these managed pollinators

pollinators

pollinators insects are nature’s insecticides by

insects are nature’s insecticides by

insects are nature’s insecticides by eating pests of crops they shape when

eating pests of crops they shape when

eating pests of crops they shape when and where you have pest problems by

and where you have pest problems by

and where you have pest problems by eating the the the the seeds and the

eating the the the the seeds and the

eating the the the the seeds and the green parts and the roots of weeds

green parts and the roots of weeds

green parts and the roots of weeds insects have a have a profound influence

insects have a have a profound influence

insects have a have a profound influence on when and where weeds become a problem

on when and where weeds become a problem

on when and where weeds become a problem we can use these things right and

we can use these things right and

we can use these things right and insects are a major source of protein

insects are a major source of protein

insects are a major source of protein for just about every culture except for

for just about every culture except for

for just about every culture except for Western cultures and around the world

Western cultures and around the world

Western cultures and around the world insects transfer feed into protein

insects transfer feed into protein

insects transfer feed into protein better than any of the livestock that we

better than any of the livestock that we

better than any of the livestock that we currently raise and and and as such are

currently raise and and and as such are

currently raise and and and as such are really important component of human

really important component of human

really important component of human diets if you’ve ever had crab legs or

diets if you’ve ever had crab legs or

diets if you’ve ever had crab legs or Lobster I hate to say it folks but

Lobster I hate to say it folks but

Lobster I hate to say it folks but that’s a big bug but and that’s kind of

that’s a big bug but and that’s kind of

that’s a big bug but and that’s kind of the cart that a lot of entomologist like

the cart that a lot of entomologist like

the cart that a lot of entomologist like to drag out whenever there’s whenever Oh

to drag out whenever there’s whenever Oh

to drag out whenever there’s whenever Oh what’s the value of an insect but it the

what’s the value of an insect but it the

what’s the value of an insect but it the value of insects to human society

value of insects to human society

value of insects to human society transcends that that very short list I

transcends that that very short list I

transcends that that very short list I mean the colors the the smells the

mean the colors the the smells the

mean the colors the the smells the tastes of our world are largely shaped

tastes of our world are largely shaped

tastes of our world are largely shaped by the insects that have interacted with

by the insects that have interacted with

by the insects that have interacted with plants throughout generations right

plants throughout generations right

plants throughout generations right it’s the spices in our cupboards the

it’s the spices in our cupboards the

it’s the spices in our cupboards the chemistry’s the plant create that we

chemistry’s the plant create that we

chemistry’s the plant create that we then exploit for our medicines for the

then exploit for our medicines for the

then exploit for our medicines for the for cents things like this for flavors

for cents things like this for flavors

for cents things like this for flavors in our food that comes as a response to

in our food that comes as a response to

in our food that comes as a response to herb every from insects the colors of

herb every from insects the colors of

herb every from insects the colors of the natural world are attracting

the natural world are attracting

the natural world are attracting pollinators right we wrap our bodies in

pollinators right we wrap our bodies in

pollinators right we wrap our bodies in the in the secretions of bugs silk

the in the secretions of bugs silk

the in the secretions of bugs silk that’s where it comes from

that’s where it comes from

that’s where it comes from talk about influencing the path of human

talk about influencing the path of human

talk about influencing the path of human history look up the Silk Road a few

history look up the Silk Road a few

history look up the Silk Road a few times and everybody’s heard of

times and everybody’s heard of

times and everybody’s heard of performance-enhancing drugs

performance-enhancing drugs

performance-enhancing drugs how about performance-enhancing bugs

how about performance-enhancing bugs

how about performance-enhancing bugs everybody was dazed and amazed when the

everybody was dazed and amazed when the

everybody was dazed and amazed when the 1992 burs tri knees women’s track team

1992 burs tri knees women’s track team

1992 burs tri knees women’s track team set new records new

set new records new

set new records new world records after consuming fungal

world records after consuming fungal

world records after consuming fungal infected caterpillars that that’s

infected caterpillars that that’s

infected caterpillars that that’s partially their claim to fame so

partially their claim to fame so

partially their claim to fame so tremendous tremendous impact on human

tremendous tremendous impact on human

tremendous tremendous impact on human society but how often do we overlook

society but how often do we overlook

society but how often do we overlook that or stomp it into the ground just to

that or stomp it into the ground just to

that or stomp it into the ground just to hear that crispy Kringle right these

hear that crispy Kringle right these

hear that crispy Kringle right these these insects through I just love that

these insects through I just love that

these insects through I just love that about them right through small

about them right through small

about them right through small individual actions that are aggregated

individual actions that are aggregated

individual actions that are aggregated and synergize with one another

and synergize with one another

and synergize with one another insects shaped the entire world I

recently my career has led me down a

recently my career has led me down a path where I got to interact more and

path where I got to interact more and

path where I got to interact more and more with a lot of farmers that remind

more with a lot of farmers that remind

more with a lot of farmers that remind me of bugs and these guys would actually

me of bugs and these guys would actually

me of bugs and these guys would actually probably in Gales would probably be

probably in Gales would probably be

probably in Gales would probably be flattered by that so you know the crowd

flattered by that so you know the crowd

flattered by that so you know the crowd I run with okay why because through

I run with okay why because through

I run with okay why because through small suit through small changes to

small suit through small changes to

small suit through small changes to their farms through through through

their farms through through through

their farms through through through individual actions and aggregating and

individual actions and aggregating and

individual actions and aggregating and synergizing these things these

synergizing these things these

synergizing these things these regenerative farmers are literally

regenerative farmers are literally

regenerative farmers are literally changing the world don’t ever don’t ever

changing the world don’t ever don’t ever

changing the world don’t ever don’t ever underestimate the the power of little

underestimate the the power of little

underestimate the the power of little things to to overcome seemingly

things to to overcome seemingly

things to to overcome seemingly insurmountable problems obstacles how

insurmountable problems obstacles how

insurmountable problems obstacles how did I get involved with these guys well

did I get involved with these guys well

did I get involved with these guys well I’m an entomologist and what I was

I’m an entomologist and what I was

I’m an entomologist and what I was discovering as I was talking with some

discovering as I was talking with some

discovering as I was talking with some of these farmers is that they were

of these farmers is that they were

of these farmers is that they were eliminating insecticides from their

eliminating insecticides from their

eliminating insecticides from their operations and that’s not supposed to

operations and that’s not supposed to

operations and that’s not supposed to happen when you have a pest problem

happen when you have a pest problem

happen when you have a pest problem you’re supposed to react to that right

you’re supposed to react to that right

you’re supposed to react to that right you’re supposed to to control it what

you’re supposed to to control it what

you’re supposed to to control it what these farmers are doing is is that

these farmers are doing is is that

these farmers are doing is is that they’re reinventing the system so that

they’re reinventing the system so that

they’re reinventing the system so that they don’t have problems to begin with

they don’t have problems to begin with

they don’t have problems to begin with with pests

with pests

with pests okay so they don’t have to react they’ve

okay so they don’t have to react they’ve

okay so they don’t have to react they’ve got it all in built into their system

got it all in built into their system

got it all in built into their system and this transcends entomology this

and this transcends entomology this

and this transcends entomology this transcends pest management they’re there

transcends pest management they’re there

transcends pest management they’re there they’re calling it regenerative

they’re calling it regenerative

they’re calling it regenerative agriculture why regenerative that’s a

agriculture why regenerative that’s a

agriculture why regenerative that’s a it’s an empowering term sustainable

it’s an empowering term sustainable

it’s an empowering term sustainable agriculture isn’t gonna cut it anymore

agriculture isn’t gonna cut it anymore

agriculture isn’t gonna cut it anymore we’ve degraded our natural resource base

we’ve degraded our natural resource base

we’ve degraded our natural resource base to the point where simply sustaining it

to the point where simply sustaining it

to the point where simply sustaining it isn’t going to solve the kinds of

isn’t going to solve the kinds of

isn’t going to solve the kinds of problems and produce the food that we

problems and produce the food that we

problems and produce the food that we need what these guys are doing is

need what these guys are doing is

need what these guys are doing is they’re taking their farms and they’re

they’re taking their farms and they’re

they’re taking their farms and they’re rebuilding the natural resource base

rebuilding the natural resource base

rebuilding the natural resource base while producing food key elements of

while producing food key elements of

while producing food key elements of this instead of focusing solely on

this instead of focusing solely on

this instead of focusing solely on yields or pounds of beef per acre what

yields or pounds of beef per acre what

yields or pounds of beef per acre what they’re focusing on is rebuilding soil

they’re focusing on is rebuilding soil

they’re focusing on is rebuilding soil especially soil organic matter the black

especially soil organic matter the black

especially soil organic matter the black dirt that we all see it’s that skin that

dirt that we all see it’s that skin that

dirt that we all see it’s that skin that covers much of our terrestrial areas of

covers much of our terrestrial areas of

covers much of our terrestrial areas of our planet Wow

our planet Wow

our planet Wow so they’re conserving and promoting soil

so they’re conserving and promoting soil

so they’re conserving and promoting soil while conserving biodiversity on their

while conserving biodiversity on their

while conserving biodiversity on their farms all of the plants insects microbes

farms all of the plants insects microbes

farms all of the plants insects microbes fungi things like this animals on their

fungi things like this animals on their

fungi things like this animals on their farm while producing nutrient-dense food

farm while producing nutrient-dense food

farm while producing nutrient-dense food nutritious food profitably those are the

nutritious food profitably those are the

nutritious food profitably those are the key elements these guys this is not this

key elements these guys this is not this

key elements these guys this is not this is a movement that’s happening unseen

is a movement that’s happening unseen

is a movement that’s happening unseen under the radar screen right now across

under the radar screen right now across

under the radar screen right now across the planet there’s thousands of farmers

the planet there’s thousands of farmers

the planet there’s thousands of farmers that I’ve now visited throughout every

that I’ve now visited throughout every

that I’ve now visited throughout every different scenario that you can invent

different scenario that you can invent

different scenario that you can invent of circumstances production

of circumstances production

of circumstances production circumstances that you can envision and

circumstances that you can envision and

circumstances that you can envision and the practices that they put onto their

the practices that they put onto their

the practices that they put onto their farm to make these systems work very

farm to make these systems work very

farm to make these systems work very substantially but they are unified in

substantially but they are unified in

substantially but they are unified in high in certain principles okay

high in certain principles okay

high in certain principles okay principles what are those principles

principles what are those principles

principles what are those principles well we’re going to talk about those

well we’re going to talk about those

well we’re going to talk about those number one they are stop

number one they are stop

number one they are stop tillage okay-y tillage degrades organic

tillage okay-y tillage degrades organic

tillage okay-y tillage degrades organic matter in several ways and the

matter in several ways and the

matter in several ways and the profitability of a farm field is

profitability of a farm field is

profitability of a farm field is directly correlated with the amount of

directly correlated with the amount of

directly correlated with the amount of organic matter in the soil how does this

organic matter in the soil how does this

organic matter in the soil how does this happen through erosion when you till the

happen through erosion when you till the

happen through erosion when you till the soil that the water rushes away all a

soil that the water rushes away all a

soil that the water rushes away all a lot of the topsoil the wind blows it

lot of the topsoil the wind blows it

lot of the topsoil the wind blows it away over to your neighbor’s fields but

away over to your neighbor’s fields but

away over to your neighbor’s fields but it also eliminates disturbs disrupts the

it also eliminates disturbs disrupts the

it also eliminates disturbs disrupts the biology of the system that grows that

biology of the system that grows that

biology of the system that grows that soil organic matter and so this is

soil organic matter and so this is

soil organic matter and so this is usually the first step almost always in

usually the first step almost always in

usually the first step almost always in in regenerative agriculture they never

in regenerative agriculture they never

in regenerative agriculture they never leave bare soil the energy for a farm

leave bare soil the energy for a farm

leave bare soil the energy for a farm does not come from a gas can the energy

does not come from a gas can the energy

does not come from a gas can the energy comes from the Sun and the only way to

comes from the Sun and the only way to

comes from the Sun and the only way to capture that is with plants and so when

capture that is with plants and so when

capture that is with plants and so when you have bare soil on their farms what

you have bare soil on their farms what

you have bare soil on their farms what they were finding is that they weren’t

they were finding is that they weren’t

they were finding is that they weren’t if they weren’t able to hold the soil

if they weren’t able to hold the soil

if they weren’t able to hold the soil down first off but they also weren’t

down first off but they also weren’t

down first off but they also weren’t able to capture that energy and turn it

able to capture that energy and turn it

able to capture that energy and turn it into things like crops or animals third

into things like crops or animals third

into things like crops or animals third principle some biodiversity is better

principle some biodiversity is better

principle some biodiversity is better than none and more is better than less

than none and more is better than less

than none and more is better than less why is that

why is that

why is that especially with plants because

especially with plants because

especially with plants because biodiversity does things it provides

biodiversity does things it provides

biodiversity does things it provides services just like all those services I

services just like all those services I

services just like all those services I just pointed out with insects

just pointed out with insects

just pointed out with insects biodiversity the life in that system

biodiversity the life in that system

biodiversity the life in that system drives it and the end and what we found

drives it and the end and what we found

drives it and the end and what we found as in science is that biodiversity

as in science is that biodiversity

as in science is that biodiversity scales with how many plant species are

scales with how many plant species are

scales with how many plant species are in an environment or in a habitat and

in an environment or in a habitat and

in an environment or in a habitat and but they’re doing it in agronomically

but they’re doing it in agronomically

but they’re doing it in agronomically feasible ways instead of having 30

feasible ways instead of having 30

feasible ways instead of having 30 inches of bare soil between corn rows

inches of bare soil between corn rows

inches of bare soil between corn rows they fill it up instead of leaving half

they fill it up instead of leaving half

they fill it up instead of leaving half of the season bare soil they put cover

of the season bare soil they put cover

of the season bare soil they put cover crops out there now they vary their crop

crops out there now they vary their crop

crops out there now they vary their crop rotations they take those field margins

rotations they take those field margins

rotations they take those field margins then they fill them up with species and

then they fill them up with species and

then they fill them up with species and then they are in

then they are in

then they are in degrading livestock with their crops

degrading livestock with their crops

degrading livestock with their crops okay and animals and plants insects

okay and animals and plants insects

okay and animals and plants insects microbes all of these things co-evolved

microbes all of these things co-evolved

microbes all of these things co-evolved together so this adds an additional

together so this adds an additional

together so this adds an additional revenue stream in addition to improving

revenue stream in addition to improving

revenue stream in addition to improving the functionality of those crops

the functionality of those crops

the functionality of those crops somewhere down the road along the line

somewhere down the road along the line

somewhere down the road along the line we went down this path and this path

we went down this path and this path

we went down this path and this path said that simplifying growing more

said that simplifying growing more

said that simplifying growing more growing fewer species on more land made

growing fewer species on more land made

growing fewer species on more land made you a good farmer and that

you a good farmer and that

you a good farmer and that simplification of the agro ecosystem has

simplification of the agro ecosystem has

simplification of the agro ecosystem has had profound effects because when you

had profound effects because when you

had profound effects because when you eliminate the diversity from your farm

eliminate the diversity from your farm

eliminate the diversity from your farm you have to replace it with a more input

you have to replace it with a more input

you have to replace it with a more input this is what the country currently looks

this is what the country currently looks

this is what the country currently looks like on 10% of the terrestrial land

like on 10% of the terrestrial land

like on 10% of the terrestrial land surface of our country we have three

surface of our country we have three

surface of our country we have three crop species we had replaced the the

crop species we had replaced the the

crop species we had replaced the the function of hundreds of species with

function of hundreds of species with

function of hundreds of species with three and then we maintain the

three and then we maintain the

three and then we maintain the productivity of that with a lot of

productivity of that with a lot of

productivity of that with a lot of inputs Agrokor you have to replace what

inputs Agrokor you have to replace what

inputs Agrokor you have to replace what biodiversity did with with agrochemicals

but there’s cracks in the ice

but there’s cracks in the ice we can now correlate things like my

we can now correlate things like my

we can now correlate things like my climate change like pollution the

climate change like pollution the

climate change like pollution the degradation of rural communities human

degradation of rural communities human

degradation of rural communities human health problems biodiversity loss like a

health problems biodiversity loss like a

health problems biodiversity loss like a lot of our bees and butterflies we can

lot of our bees and butterflies we can

lot of our bees and butterflies we can correlate those back to how we’re

correlate those back to how we’re

correlate those back to how we’re producing food that’s not to say that I

producing food that’s not to say that I

producing food that’s not to say that I hate farmers right this isn’t this isn’t

hate farmers right this isn’t this isn’t

hate farmers right this isn’t this isn’t this is a what I look at this is I mean

this is a what I look at this is I mean

this is a what I look at this is I mean this is an opportunity to solve really

this is an opportunity to solve really

this is an opportunity to solve really improve our natural resource base while

improve our natural resource base while

improve our natural resource base while producing food in the same place at the

producing food in the same place at the

producing food in the same place at the same time that’s what these regenerative

same time that’s what these regenerative

same time that’s what these regenerative farmers are doing insects see the world

farmers are doing insects see the world

farmers are doing insects see the world much differently than we do each of

much differently than we do each of

much differently than we do each of those little facets produces an image

those little facets produces an image

those little facets produces an image and the insects take all of these

and the insects take all of these

and the insects take all of these different images

different images

different images these different perspectives and they

these different perspectives and they

these different perspectives and they combine them into a single image in

combine them into a single image in

combine them into a single image in their brains to perceive the world

their brains to perceive the world

their brains to perceive the world around them to perceive the whole system

around them to perceive the whole system

around them to perceive the whole system that’s what these regenerative farmers

that’s what these regenerative farmers

that’s what these regenerative farmers are doing right now instead of

are doing right now instead of

are doing right now instead of compartmentalizing each aspect of the

compartmentalizing each aspect of the

compartmentalizing each aspect of the farm

farm

farm they’re combining them into a systems

they’re combining them into a systems

they’re combining them into a systems level perspective I think that that’s

level perspective I think that that’s

level perspective I think that that’s the future of food production what these

the future of food production what these

the future of food production what these guys are doing boldly bravely against

guys are doing boldly bravely against

guys are doing boldly bravely against the grain is that they’re solving

the grain is that they’re solving

the grain is that they’re solving planetary scale problems with our food

planetary scale problems with our food

planetary scale problems with our food system thank you very much

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