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A new direction in wind energy | Dawn White | TEDxDetroit


hi everybody

hi everybody I’m dawn white I’m one of the founders

I’m dawn white I’m one of the founders

I’m dawn white I’m one of the founders and the chief technology officer of Akio

and the chief technology officer of Akio

and the chief technology officer of Akio Energy and I’m thrilled to be here to

Energy and I’m thrilled to be here to

Energy and I’m thrilled to be here to talk to you today about what we’re doing

talk to you today about what we’re doing

talk to you today about what we’re doing and how it’s going I’m especially

and how it’s going I’m especially

and how it’s going I’m especially thrilled about our new direction in wind

thrilled about our new direction in wind

thrilled about our new direction in wind energy because I hope they had the

energy because I hope they had the

energy because I hope they had the chance to talk at the first TEDx Detroit

chance to talk at the first TEDx Detroit

chance to talk at the first TEDx Detroit and that was 7 years ago 2009 and we

and that was 7 years ago 2009 and we

and that was 7 years ago 2009 and we might not have been here today but

might not have been here today but

might not have been here today but nearly everything we thought could

nearly everything we thought could

nearly everything we thought could happen back then has happened and it’s

happen back then has happened and it’s

happen back then has happened and it’s great to be able to talk about how we

great to be able to talk about how we

great to be able to talk about how we got there and where we’re going next

got there and where we’re going next

got there and where we’re going next back in 2007 we had this vision that you

back in 2007 we had this vision that you

back in 2007 we had this vision that you could make wind energy far more

could make wind energy far more

could make wind energy far more acceptable available and friendly by

acceptable available and friendly by

acceptable available and friendly by making it silent stationary and not

making it silent stationary and not

making it silent stationary and not endangering wildlife with it so we’re

endangering wildlife with it so we’re

endangering wildlife with it so we’re working on a technology called EHD wind

working on a technology called EHD wind

working on a technology called EHD wind energy which has no moving parts unlike

energy which has no moving parts unlike

energy which has no moving parts unlike a turbine which has very high loads on

a turbine which has very high loads on

a turbine which has very high loads on it so it needs expensive complex

it so it needs expensive complex

it so it needs expensive complex machinery and you need a new system

machinery and you need a new system

machinery and you need a new system every time you want to change the output

every time you want to change the output

every time you want to change the output of it so you have low volumes with all

of it so you have low volumes with all

of it so you have low volumes with all those expensive materials you have a lot

those expensive materials you have a lot

those expensive materials you have a lot of cost and complexity

of cost and complexity

of cost and complexity it’s like making airplanes it’s very

it’s like making airplanes it’s very

it’s like making airplanes it’s very expensive

expensive

expensive instead with electro hydrodynamic wind

instead with electro hydrodynamic wind

instead with electro hydrodynamic wind energy you make a system that’s composed

energy you make a system that’s composed

energy you make a system that’s composed of identical panels all those panels are

of identical panels all those panels are

of identical panels all those panels are the same they’re made from ordinary

the same they’re made from ordinary

the same they’re made from ordinary materials in very large volumes and

materials in very large volumes and

materials in very large volumes and they’re made using the kind of

they’re made using the kind of

they’re made using the kind of automotive heritage advanced

automotive heritage advanced

automotive heritage advanced manufacturing technology we have in

manufacturing technology we have in

manufacturing technology we have in plants all around our area using the

plants all around our area using the

plants all around our area using the same facilities materials and people

same facilities materials and people

same facilities materials and people that we use for automotive today so

that we use for automotive today so

that we use for automotive today so besides making wind power friendlier and

besides making wind power friendlier and

besides making wind power friendlier and more sustainable we actually can make it

more sustainable we actually can make it

more sustainable we actually can make it cheaper and more available that way as

cheaper and more available that way as

cheaper and more available that way as well and the other part of our mission

well and the other part of our mission

well and the other part of our mission is really to create great jobs in

is really to create great jobs in

is really to create great jobs in manufacturing here in Detroit southeast

manufacturing here in Detroit southeast

manufacturing here in Detroit southeast Michigan all over our state and even

Michigan all over our state and even

Michigan all over our state and even on the Midwest so how does that work

on the Midwest so how does that work

on the Midwest so how does that work well the HT wind energy is based on a

well the HT wind energy is based on a

well the HT wind energy is based on a different idea it’s a little bit like an

different idea it’s a little bit like an

different idea it’s a little bit like an engineered thunderstorm we use wave

engineered thunderstorm we use wave

engineered thunderstorm we use wave energy to pump water up our panel up the

energy to pump water up our panel up the

energy to pump water up our panel up the pole to our panel and then that water

pole to our panel and then that water

pole to our panel and then that water comes out as tiny little positively

comes out as tiny little positively

comes out as tiny little positively charged droplets out of very small tubes

charged droplets out of very small tubes

charged droplets out of very small tubes that are inside that system every time a

that are inside that system every time a

that are inside that system every time a positively charged droplet leaves a lot

positively charged droplet leaves a lot

positively charged droplet leaves a lot of electrons get left behind and if you

of electrons get left behind and if you

of electrons get left behind and if you have billions and billions of droplets

have billions and billions of droplets

have billions and billions of droplets leaving all those electrons behind the

leaving all those electrons behind the

leaving all those electrons behind the very large electric field emerges that

very large electric field emerges that

very large electric field emerges that the wind has to do a lot of work against

the wind has to do a lot of work against

the wind has to do a lot of work against and it dries the system to high voltage

and it dries the system to high voltage

and it dries the system to high voltage as it gets to high voltage you have the

as it gets to high voltage you have the

as it gets to high voltage you have the opportunity to plug it into the grid and

opportunity to plug it into the grid and

opportunity to plug it into the grid and create a wind energy high-voltage

create a wind energy high-voltage

create a wind energy high-voltage direct-current generator out of it seems

direct-current generator out of it seems

direct-current generator out of it seems easy but haha right sounds so easy but

easy but haha right sounds so easy but

easy but haha right sounds so easy but no it’s actually like this for a long

no it’s actually like this for a long

no it’s actually like this for a long time this technology was investigated in

time this technology was investigated in

time this technology was investigated in the 60s and 70s people couldn’t make it

the 60s and 70s people couldn’t make it

the 60s and 70s people couldn’t make it work and why was that well they had a

work and why was that well they had a

work and why was that well they had a lack of insight you know droplets are

lack of insight you know droplets are

lack of insight you know droplets are invisible charges are invisible electric

invisible charges are invisible electric

invisible charges are invisible electric fields are invisible the wind is

fields are invisible the wind is

fields are invisible the wind is invisible imagine in debugging an IC

invisible imagine in debugging an IC

invisible imagine in debugging an IC engine in the late 19th century if

engine in the late 19th century if

engine in the late 19th century if everything was clear it’d be a lot

everything was clear it’d be a lot

everything was clear it’d be a lot harder right so we get that insight we

harder right so we get that insight we

harder right so we get that insight we went to big models so that we have

went to big models so that we have

went to big models so that we have better testing and those big models are

better testing and those big models are

better testing and those big models are computer generated models you know

computer generated models you know

computer generated models you know they’re computers back then you know

they’re computers back then you know

they’re computers back then you know your iPhone has way more power in them

your iPhone has way more power in them

your iPhone has way more power in them than a room size computer had back then

than a room size computer had back then

than a room size computer had back then right and they had no visualization

right and they had no visualization

right and they had no visualization whereas for us we want droplets to get

whereas for us we want droplets to get

whereas for us we want droplets to get pushed away from our source what you’re

pushed away from our source what you’re

pushed away from our source what you’re looking at here is a cross-section of a

looking at here is a cross-section of a

looking at here is a cross-section of a part of our system and that turbulence

part of our system and that turbulence

part of our system and that turbulence you’re seeing there is actually what the

you’re seeing there is actually what the

you’re seeing there is actually what the air looks like when it comes out of our

air looks like when it comes out of our

air looks like when it comes out of our panel it doesn’t that’s not what we

panel it doesn’t that’s not what we

panel it doesn’t that’s not what we wanted to look like right but now we

wanted to look like right but now we

wanted to look like right but now we know it and so we can fix it and we did

know it and so we can fix it and we did

know it and so we can fix it and we did so we got rid of this turbulence we can

so we got rid of this turbulence we can

so we got rid of this turbulence we can also fix our electric fields by looking

also fix our electric fields by looking

also fix our electric fields by looking at them there’s a powerful powerful tool

at them there’s a powerful powerful tool

at them there’s a powerful powerful tool for us and moving forward and move

for us and moving forward and move

for us and moving forward and move forward we did we’ve been able to test

forward we did we’ve been able to test

forward we did we’ve been able to test outdoors and we went from making no

outdoors and we went from making no

outdoors and we went from making no power or less than no power which is

power or less than no power which is

power or less than no power which is where people were 40 years ago to

where people were 40 years ago to

where people were 40 years ago to gradually see

gradually see

gradually see our new experiments that were informed

our new experiments that were informed

our new experiments that were informed with our models create more power and

with our models create more power and

with our models create more power and more power until we finally hit 50 60 70

more power until we finally hit 50 60 70

more power until we finally hit 50 60 70 a hundred watts per square meter and

a hundred watts per square meter and

a hundred watts per square meter and then it’s economically viable and really

then it’s economically viable and really

then it’s economically viable and really attractive as a real commercial power

attractive as a real commercial power

attractive as a real commercial power foot source and yes it really did

foot source and yes it really did

foot source and yes it really did actually feel like that let me tell you

actually feel like that let me tell you

actually feel like that let me tell you when we finally realized that we had

when we finally realized that we had

when we finally realized that we had made it to a point where we had a viable

made it to a point where we had a viable

made it to a point where we had a viable opportunity and as a result of all that

opportunity and as a result of all that

opportunity and as a result of all that hard work and those insights we were

hard work and those insights we were

hard work and those insights we were able to apply for and receive a very

able to apply for and receive a very

able to apply for and receive a very competitive grant from the Department of

competitive grant from the Department of

competitive grant from the Department of Energy’s advanced resected Vance –

Energy’s advanced resected Vance –

Energy’s advanced resected Vance – research project agency energy for five

research project agency energy for five

research project agency energy for five million dollars over a two-year period

million dollars over a two-year period

million dollars over a two-year period that lets us go from making lab sized

that lets us go from making lab sized

that lets us go from making lab sized pals to things we have to test in very

pals to things we have to test in very

pals to things we have to test in very large automotive scale wind tunnels and

large automotive scale wind tunnels and

large automotive scale wind tunnels and and then next year to take it offshore

and then next year to take it offshore

and then next year to take it offshore working with the University of Maine on

working with the University of Maine on

working with the University of Maine on their offshore wind energy testbed out

their offshore wind energy testbed out

their offshore wind energy testbed out in Penobscot Bay out in the real live

in Penobscot Bay out in the real live

in Penobscot Bay out in the real live ocean and test it for the very first

ocean and test it for the very first

ocean and test it for the very first time so once we get that done

time so once we get that done

time so once we get that done successfully which we will we got here

successfully which we will we got here

successfully which we will we got here we’ll get there

we’ll get there

we’ll get there we’re going to go where the people in

we’re going to go where the people in

we’re going to go where the people in the water are this map shows you most of

the water are this map shows you most of

the water are this map shows you most of the world’s population lives very close

the world’s population lives very close

the world’s population lives very close to the shoreline and it’s crowded there

to the shoreline and it’s crowded there

to the shoreline and it’s crowded there you don’t want to have wind turbines

you don’t want to have wind turbines

you don’t want to have wind turbines there so it would be nice be able to put

there so it would be nice be able to put

there so it would be nice be able to put them offshore but they’re very expensive

them offshore but they’re very expensive

them offshore but they’re very expensive far more expensive than onshore wind

far more expensive than onshore wind

far more expensive than onshore wind farms so our system can make them cost

farms so our system can make them cost

farms so our system can make them cost comparable to onshore wind farms and

comparable to onshore wind farms and

comparable to onshore wind farms and change all that and at the same time

change all that and at the same time

change all that and at the same time remember that automotive heritage

remember that automotive heritage

remember that automotive heritage manufacturing technology well this is a

manufacturing technology well this is a

manufacturing technology well this is a plant of GM’s not too far outside

plant of GM’s not too far outside

plant of GM’s not too far outside Detroit a big one a plant the size

Detroit a big one a plant the size

Detroit a big one a plant the size though could because of our high volume

though could because of our high volume

though could because of our high volume identical manufacturing technology and

identical manufacturing technology and

identical manufacturing technology and the logistics that go with it that plant

the logistics that go with it that plant

the logistics that go with it that plant could potentially supply half or more

could potentially supply half or more

could potentially supply half or more the world’s entire capacity for wind

the world’s entire capacity for wind

the world’s entire capacity for wind energy every single year and be a great

energy every single year and be a great

energy every single year and be a great opportunity to do what create a panel at

opportunity to do what create a panel at

opportunity to do what create a panel at a time but do it millions of times

a time but do it millions of times

a time but do it millions of times put it on poles and every time we do

put it on poles and every time we do

put it on poles and every time we do that we create great jobs for people

that we create great jobs for people

that we create great jobs for people right here our friends our neighbors the

right here our friends our neighbors the

right here our friends our neighbors the people we know

people we know

people we know and at the same time we know that not

and at the same time we know that not

and at the same time we know that not only we’re doing all of that but we’re

only we’re doing all of that but we’re

only we’re doing all of that but we’re also creating an opportunity to change

also creating an opportunity to change

also creating an opportunity to change the world of wind energy address climate

the world of wind energy address climate

the world of wind energy address climate change problems and protect the planet

change problems and protect the planet

change problems and protect the planet that we all love live on and share thank

that we all love live on and share thank

that we all love live on and share thank you very much for listening

you very much for listening

you very much for listening [Applause]

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