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A Hot Approach: Making the Atmosphere a Carbon Source for Industries | Mike Woelk | TEDxCPP


I want to talk to you about my journey

I want to talk to you about my journey here my process which is to try to

here my process which is to try to

here my process which is to try to create or scale what is quite literally

create or scale what is quite literally

create or scale what is quite literally a hot approach for making the atmosphere

a hot approach for making the atmosphere

a hot approach for making the atmosphere a carbon source for industries now in

a carbon source for industries now in

a carbon source for industries now in some ways this process is sold in such a

some ways this process is sold in such a

some ways this process is sold in such a no-brainer

no-brainer

no-brainer I can only say it’s really kind of

I can only say it’s really kind of

I can only say it’s really kind of criminal it hasn’t been scaled to

criminal it hasn’t been scaled to

criminal it hasn’t been scaled to massive proportions before now I might

massive proportions before now I might

massive proportions before now I might argue that we’re a little over focused

argue that we’re a little over focused

argue that we’re a little over focused in society on fossil fuel emissions you

in society on fossil fuel emissions you

in society on fossil fuel emissions you heard me right

heard me right

heard me right the amount of carbon that we jacked into

the amount of carbon that we jacked into

the amount of carbon that we jacked into the atmosphere by the consumption of

the atmosphere by the consumption of

the atmosphere by the consumption of fossil fuels for the last couple of

fossil fuels for the last couple of

fossil fuels for the last couple of decades we’ve been told to buy less

decades we’ve been told to buy less

decades we’ve been told to buy less stuff eat less meat plant the tree

stuff eat less meat plant the tree

stuff eat less meat plant the tree driver Prius do whatever you can to

driver Prius do whatever you can to

driver Prius do whatever you can to reduce your carbon footprint and that’s

reduce your carbon footprint and that’s

reduce your carbon footprint and that’s great how are we doing to that end if we

great how are we doing to that end if we

great how are we doing to that end if we actually look at the data emissions from

actually look at the data emissions from

actually look at the data emissions from industry carbon emissions from industry

industry carbon emissions from industry

industry carbon emissions from industry have gone up since 1960 from

have gone up since 1960 from

have gone up since 1960 from two-and-a-half Giga tons a Giga tons of

two-and-a-half Giga tons a Giga tons of

two-and-a-half Giga tons a Giga tons of billion tons of carbon to over 10 Giga

billion tons of carbon to over 10 Giga

billion tons of carbon to over 10 Giga tons of carbon today that’s a lot and on

tons of carbon today that’s a lot and on

tons of carbon today that’s a lot and on Sunday I was chatting with a good friend

Sunday I was chatting with a good friend

Sunday I was chatting with a good friend of mine who’s an atmospheric researcher

of mine who’s an atmospheric researcher

of mine who’s an atmospheric researcher at NOAA in Boulder Colorado about this

at NOAA in Boulder Colorado about this

at NOAA in Boulder Colorado about this trend and he said to me says Mike you

trend and he said to me says Mike you

trend and he said to me says Mike you know a lot of us in the scientific

know a lot of us in the scientific

know a lot of us in the scientific community believe that if those

community believe that if those

community believe that if those emissions go to zero I mean zero that’s

emissions go to zero I mean zero that’s

emissions go to zero I mean zero that’s not enough to prevent the earth from

not enough to prevent the earth from

not enough to prevent the earth from continually warming for the foreseeable

continually warming for the foreseeable

continually warming for the foreseeable future I think we need a different

future I think we need a different

future I think we need a different approach I think we did different

approach I think we did different

approach I think we did different approach that first and foremost makes

approach that first and foremost makes

approach that first and foremost makes probably for companies that really think

probably for companies that really think

probably for companies that really think about building products that customers

about building products that customers

about building products that customers want intrinsically and also happen to

want intrinsically and also happen to

want intrinsically and also happen to subtract a carbon from the atmosphere

subtract a carbon from the atmosphere

subtract a carbon from the atmosphere rather than contributing to it see if we

rather than contributing to it see if we

rather than contributing to it see if we only focus on emissions it’s sort of

only focus on emissions it’s sort of

only focus on emissions it’s sort of like thinking about ascertaining the

like thinking about ascertaining the

like thinking about ascertaining the value of a company by only looking at

value of a company by only looking at

value of a company by only looking at its liabilities while ignoring its

its liabilities while ignoring its

its liabilities while ignoring its assets on its balance sheet are only

assets on its balance sheet are only

assets on its balance sheet are only focusing on carbon emissions or c3

focusing on carbon emissions or c3

focusing on carbon emissions or c3 sources or emissions and ignoring

sources or emissions and ignoring

sources or emissions and ignoring opportunities to build carbon

opportunities to build carbon

opportunities to build carbon sings I think there has to be a better

sings I think there has to be a better

sings I think there has to be a better way to make these products now I’m going

way to make these products now I’m going

way to make these products now I’m going to distill everything down for you to a

to distill everything down for you to a

to distill everything down for you to a very simple denominator in this approach

very simple denominator in this approach

very simple denominator in this approach which is basically the lifecycle of a

which is basically the lifecycle of a

which is basically the lifecycle of a match now this match of course is made

match now this match of course is made

match now this match of course is made of wood it’s plant matter and plants

of wood it’s plant matter and plants

of wood it’s plant matter and plants have been drawing carbon out of the

have been drawing carbon out of the

have been drawing carbon out of the atmosphere since the beginning of time

atmosphere since the beginning of time

atmosphere since the beginning of time you know the basic chemistry of

you know the basic chemistry of

you know the basic chemistry of photosynthesis car plants draw carbon

photosynthesis car plants draw carbon

photosynthesis car plants draw carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere with water

dioxide out of the atmosphere with water

dioxide out of the atmosphere with water for the root systems and the help of

for the root systems and the help of

for the root systems and the help of sunlight they convert that into

sunlight they convert that into

sunlight they convert that into cellulosic structured sugars in in

cellulosic structured sugars in in

cellulosic structured sugars in in oxygen and so you might think if we just

oxygen and so you might think if we just

oxygen and so you might think if we just let plants grow in fact maybe double the

let plants grow in fact maybe double the

let plants grow in fact maybe double the number of plants that are in the world

number of plants that are in the world

number of plants that are in the world that might make a big difference

that might make a big difference

that might make a big difference global photosynthesis of terrestrial

global photosynthesis of terrestrial

global photosynthesis of terrestrial plants on all earth is about a hundred

plants on all earth is about a hundred

plants on all earth is about a hundred and twenty Giga tons of carbon a year

and twenty Giga tons of carbon a year

and twenty Giga tons of carbon a year that’s a really really big number but

that’s a really really big number but

that’s a really really big number but unfortunately half of that folks is

unfortunately half of that folks is

unfortunately half of that folks is given back to the atmosphere every day

given back to the atmosphere every day

given back to the atmosphere every day every year because at night plants

every year because at night plants

every year because at night plants actually produce carbon dioxide they

actually produce carbon dioxide they

actually produce carbon dioxide they respire another 50 Giga tons that

respire another 50 Giga tons that

respire another 50 Giga tons that hundred-and-twenty is further given back

hundred-and-twenty is further given back

hundred-and-twenty is further given back through decomposition of dead plant

through decomposition of dead plant

through decomposition of dead plant matter another nine gigs is then further

matter another nine gigs is then further

matter another nine gigs is then further fed back into the atmosphere through

fed back into the atmosphere through

fed back into the atmosphere through disturbance processes which is another

disturbance processes which is another

disturbance processes which is another way for saying harvesting burning and

way for saying harvesting burning and

way for saying harvesting burning and metabolism which we’re all doing in this

metabolism which we’re all doing in this

metabolism which we’re all doing in this room right now and through that entire

room right now and through that entire

room right now and through that entire process that leaves us with one measly

process that leaves us with one measly

process that leaves us with one measly Giga ton of carbon that has now been

Giga ton of carbon that has now been

Giga ton of carbon that has now been removed from the atmosphere into net

removed from the atmosphere into net

removed from the atmosphere into net long term storage or what scientists

long term storage or what scientists

long term storage or what scientists would call net biome production and so

would call net biome production and so

would call net biome production and so we would need to massively increase

we would need to massively increase

we would need to massively increase global photosynthesis to really have a

global photosynthesis to really have a

global photosynthesis to really have a meaningful impact on fossil fuel

meaningful impact on fossil fuel

meaningful impact on fossil fuel emmissions you see the answer is not in

emmissions you see the answer is not in

emmissions you see the answer is not in how we treat living trees or whether or

how we treat living trees or whether or

how we treat living trees or whether or not we plant more of them but rather and

not we plant more of them but rather and

not we plant more of them but rather and how we process and treat dead one if we

how we process and treat dead one if we

how we process and treat dead one if we can reduce the amount of decomposition

can reduce the amount of decomposition

can reduce the amount of decomposition if we can reduce the amount of

if we can reduce the amount of

if we can reduce the amount of disturbance from dead plant matter then

disturbance from dead plant matter then

disturbance from dead plant matter then we can begin to make a meaningful impact

we can begin to make a meaningful impact

we can begin to make a meaningful impact in the atmosphere but anyway

in the atmosphere but anyway

in the atmosphere but anyway photosynthesis is kind of boring we

photosynthesis is kind of boring we

photosynthesis is kind of boring we should really talk

should really talk

should really talk about the disturbance of this match

about the disturbance of this match

about the disturbance of this match which is the burning you know the

which is the burning you know the

which is the burning you know the bookends of this process pretty well

bookends of this process pretty well

bookends of this process pretty well once this match is burned it is

once this match is burned it is

once this match is burned it is converted into carbon dioxide and water

converted into carbon dioxide and water

converted into carbon dioxide and water vapor the bookends of this process are

vapor the bookends of this process are

vapor the bookends of this process are not terribly exciting it’s what happens

not terribly exciting it’s what happens

not terribly exciting it’s what happens in the middle so let me unpack the

in the middle so let me unpack the

in the middle so let me unpack the decomposition of this match a little bit

decomposition of this match a little bit

decomposition of this match a little bit for you when that matchstick or is lit

for you when that matchstick or is lit

for you when that matchstick or is lit and that flame begins to move along this

and that flame begins to move along this

and that flame begins to move along this lignocellulosic material it heats the

lignocellulosic material it heats the

lignocellulosic material it heats the biomass to about 300 degrees driving

biomass to about 300 degrees driving

biomass to about 300 degrees driving from the biomass pyrolytic gases now

from the biomass pyrolytic gases now

from the biomass pyrolytic gases now those pyrolytic gases and vapors are

those pyrolytic gases and vapors are

those pyrolytic gases and vapors are then further burned by the way I should

then further burned by the way I should

then further burned by the way I should say that pyrolytic zone is that clear

say that pyrolytic zone is that clear

say that pyrolytic zone is that clear leuctra luminous zone excuse me the

leuctra luminous zone excuse me the

leuctra luminous zone excuse me the clear luminous zone right along the

clear luminous zone right along the

clear luminous zone right along the matchstick it’s an oxygen-deprived area

matchstick it’s an oxygen-deprived area

matchstick it’s an oxygen-deprived area those gases are then are further

those gases are then are further

those gases are then are further combusted in the the flame and converted

combusted in the the flame and converted

combusted in the the flame and converted into carbon dioxide moisture and heat

into carbon dioxide moisture and heat

into carbon dioxide moisture and heat the heat of course continues the burning

the heat of course continues the burning

the heat of course continues the burning of the match the carbon dioxide is now

of the match the carbon dioxide is now

of the match the carbon dioxide is now available for additional photosynthesis

available for additional photosynthesis

available for additional photosynthesis and that’s a very simple carbon cycle

and that’s a very simple carbon cycle

and that’s a very simple carbon cycle we’ve addressed the issue we have to

we’ve addressed the issue we have to

we’ve addressed the issue we have to disrupt the carbon cycle so how can we

disrupt the carbon cycle so how can we

disrupt the carbon cycle so how can we do that the answer is actually in

do that the answer is actually in

do that the answer is actually in removing oxygen from the process if we

removing oxygen from the process if we

removing oxygen from the process if we can sustain the heat of the reaction but

can sustain the heat of the reaction but

can sustain the heat of the reaction but eliminate the oxygen or air the air from

eliminate the oxygen or air the air from

eliminate the oxygen or air the air from the process then we can drive these

the process then we can drive these

the process then we can drive these pyrolytic gases and vapors from the

pyrolytic gases and vapors from the

pyrolytic gases and vapors from the biomass and maybe sell those to industry

biomass and maybe sell those to industry

biomass and maybe sell those to industry what is the overall process now let’s

what is the overall process now let’s

what is the overall process now let’s think a little bit bigger not from a

think a little bit bigger not from a

think a little bit bigger not from a matchstick but think of thousands of

matchstick but think of thousands of

matchstick but think of thousands of tons of biomass set into a reactor like

tons of biomass set into a reactor like

tons of biomass set into a reactor like what you see in the middle in a reactor

what you see in the middle in a reactor

what you see in the middle in a reactor like this very hot material is put in a

like this very hot material is put in a

like this very hot material is put in a direct contact with superhot surfaces

direct contact with superhot surfaces

direct contact with superhot surfaces and instantaneously heated to about 300

and instantaneously heated to about 300

and instantaneously heated to about 300 to 650 degrees centigrade which

to 650 degrees centigrade which

to 650 degrees centigrade which coincidentally is the average

coincidentally is the average

coincidentally is the average temperature range of a naturally

temperature range of a naturally

temperature range of a naturally occurring forest fire we rate the

occurring forest fire we rate the

occurring forest fire we rate the biomass across that that metal surface

biomass across that that metal surface

biomass across that that metal surface those pyrolytic gases are liberated from

those pyrolytic gases are liberated from

those pyrolytic gases are liberated from the feedstock they’re whisked away with

the feedstock they’re whisked away with

the feedstock they’re whisked away with vacuum and then we split cool and

vacuum and then we split cool and

vacuum and then we split cool and condense those liquids and the

condense those liquids and the

condense those liquids and the contraption on the right and to higher

contraption on the right and to higher

contraption on the right and to higher value derivatives that can be used for

value derivatives that can be used for

value derivatives that can be used for industry

industry

industry and there’s a lot of this biomass

and there’s a lot of this biomass

and there’s a lot of this biomass available folks the US Department of

available folks the US Department of

available folks the US Department of Energy

Energy

Energy last year confirmed that 1 billion tons

last year confirmed that 1 billion tons

last year confirmed that 1 billion tons of dry biomass is available every year

of dry biomass is available every year

of dry biomass is available every year in the United States without disrupting

in the United States without disrupting

in the United States without disrupting normal forestry and farming operations

normal forestry and farming operations

normal forestry and farming operations and get this that that is enough to

and get this that that is enough to

and get this that that is enough to offset 30 percent of America’s petroleum

offset 30 percent of America’s petroleum

offset 30 percent of America’s petroleum use that’s a big number

use that’s a big number

use that’s a big number it’s also kind of a meaningless number

it’s also kind of a meaningless number

it’s also kind of a meaningless number unless we convert biomass into

unless we convert biomass into

unless we convert biomass into derivatives that are useful for industry

derivatives that are useful for industry

derivatives that are useful for industry and sawdust doesn’t quite cut it does it

and sawdust doesn’t quite cut it does it

and sawdust doesn’t quite cut it does it so what are these materials what do we

so what are these materials what do we

so what are these materials what do we make out of this stuff from tons of

make out of this stuff from tons of

make out of this stuff from tons of biomass what is the mass balance of this

biomass what is the mass balance of this

biomass what is the mass balance of this overall approach which means how much

overall approach which means how much

overall approach which means how much product do we get out how much pollution

product do we get out how much pollution

product do we get out how much pollution all that kind of stuff well about 30% of

all that kind of stuff well about 30% of

all that kind of stuff well about 30% of the biomass is converted into a bio

the biomass is converted into a bio

the biomass is converted into a bio pesticide the technical term of this is

pesticide the technical term of this is

pesticide the technical term of this is pyro ligneous acid it sounds kind of

pyro ligneous acid it sounds kind of

pyro ligneous acid it sounds kind of nasty until you unpack the name a little

nasty until you unpack the name a little

nasty until you unpack the name a little bit pyro for heat Legno for

bit pyro for heat Legno for

bit pyro for heat Legno for lignocellulosic residue it’s comprised

lignocellulosic residue it’s comprised

lignocellulosic residue it’s comprised of about 80% water I should say it’s

of about 80% water I should say it’s

of about 80% water I should say it’s completely non-toxic knock’d

completely non-toxic knock’d

completely non-toxic knock’d carcinogenic I I hope I get that part

carcinogenic I I hope I get that part

carcinogenic I I hope I get that part right some organic gases namely acetic

right some organic gases namely acetic

right some organic gases namely acetic acid which is about the composition in

acid which is about the composition in

acid which is about the composition in normal table vinegar but most

normal table vinegar but most

normal table vinegar but most importantly a couple of hundred light

importantly a couple of hundred light

importantly a couple of hundred light molecular weight phenolic compounds that

molecular weight phenolic compounds that

molecular weight phenolic compounds that coincidentally are naturally occurring

coincidentally are naturally occurring

coincidentally are naturally occurring flavours and fragrances what’s really

flavours and fragrances what’s really

flavours and fragrances what’s really cool about this stuff although it’s safe

cool about this stuff although it’s safe

cool about this stuff although it’s safe for us is that plant didi insects hate

for us is that plant didi insects hate

for us is that plant didi insects hate it it drives them away this stuff has

it it drives them away this stuff has

it it drives them away this stuff has powerful antioxidant capacities and it’s

powerful antioxidant capacities and it’s

powerful antioxidant capacities and it’s also a plant growth stimulant kind of

also a plant growth stimulant kind of

also a plant growth stimulant kind of like blood doping for plants we use just

like blood doping for plants we use just

like blood doping for plants we use just pure heat to drive these materials off

pure heat to drive these materials off

pure heat to drive these materials off of the plant matter we reapply it to

of the plant matter we reapply it to

of the plant matter we reapply it to plants to protect them from insects and

plants to protect them from insects and

plants to protect them from insects and make them grow faster that’s a pretty

make them grow faster that’s a pretty

make them grow faster that’s a pretty good deal for farmers and people have

good deal for farmers and people have

good deal for farmers and people have been using in making their own pyro

been using in making their own pyro

been using in making their own pyro ligneous acid for generations in places

ligneous acid for generations in places

ligneous acid for generations in places like Latin America and Southeast Asia to

like Latin America and Southeast Asia to

like Latin America and Southeast Asia to mitigate pest pressures and help their

mitigate pest pressures and help their

mitigate pest pressures and help their plants grow and also to excel

plants grow and also to excel

plants grow and also to excel composting rates four months down two

composting rates four months down two

composting rates four months down two days and yet in industrial western

days and yet in industrial western

days and yet in industrial western farming operations nobody knows what

farming operations nobody knows what

farming operations nobody knows what this is in fact about a year and a half

this is in fact about a year and a half

this is in fact about a year and a half ago I had a conversation with some top

ago I had a conversation with some top

ago I had a conversation with some top researchers at the USDA about pyrrha

researchers at the USDA about pyrrha

researchers at the USDA about pyrrha ligneous acid and their first question

ligneous acid and their first question

ligneous acid and their first question was what’s that

was what’s that

was what’s that well we embarked on a research project

well we embarked on a research project

well we embarked on a research project and I can tell you that we’ve tested

and I can tell you that we’ve tested

and I can tell you that we’ve tested this materials ability to repel some

this materials ability to repel some

this materials ability to repel some pretty nasty bugs like Asian citrus

pretty nasty bugs like Asian citrus

pretty nasty bugs like Asian citrus psyllids which have definite devastated

psyllids which have definite devastated

psyllids which have definite devastated the citrus industry as well as repelled

the citrus industry as well as repelled

the citrus industry as well as repelled something called naval orange worm which

something called naval orange worm which

something called naval orange worm which attacks almonds why they call the naval

attacks almonds why they call the naval

attacks almonds why they call the naval orange won’t attacks almonds don’t ask

orange won’t attacks almonds don’t ask

orange won’t attacks almonds don’t ask me that’s for the entomologist but the

me that’s for the entomologist but the

me that’s for the entomologist but the stuff is pretty amazing to that end now

stuff is pretty amazing to that end now

stuff is pretty amazing to that end now an additional 20% of the biomass 19% to

an additional 20% of the biomass 19% to

an additional 20% of the biomass 19% to be specific is converted into an oil a

be specific is converted into an oil a

be specific is converted into an oil a bio oil industry uses oil folks we all

bio oil industry uses oil folks we all

bio oil industry uses oil folks we all know that these oil and you can use

know that these oil and you can use

know that these oil and you can use these bios to make chemicals and

these bios to make chemicals and

these bios to make chemicals and plastics put them in binders and

plastics put them in binders and

plastics put them in binders and pavements use them as it’s heating fuel

pavements use them as it’s heating fuel

pavements use them as it’s heating fuel and maybe even one day as transportation

and maybe even one day as transportation

and maybe even one day as transportation fuels now what makes this bio oil kind

fuels now what makes this bio oil kind

fuels now what makes this bio oil kind unique in this process is that the

unique in this process is that the

unique in this process is that the oxygenated and the acidic competence

oxygenated and the acidic competence

oxygenated and the acidic competence well as most of the moisture have been

well as most of the moisture have been

well as most of the moisture have been stripped away from the oil stream and

stripped away from the oil stream and

stripped away from the oil stream and collected separately into pyrrha

collected separately into pyrrha

collected separately into pyrrha ligneous acid which as I just described

ligneous acid which as I just described

ligneous acid which as I just described absent some really good chemical

absent some really good chemical

absent some really good chemical engineering which I didn’t build I’m not

engineering which I didn’t build I’m not

engineering which I didn’t build I’m not a chemical engineer those oily and

a chemical engineer those oily and

a chemical engineer those oily and acidic streams would be collected

acidic streams would be collected

acidic streams would be collected together and coagulate into a soupy goop

together and coagulate into a soupy goop

together and coagulate into a soupy goop that is yeardley largely useless for

that is yeardley largely useless for

that is yeardley largely useless for farmers or industry so that’s 49 percent

farmers or industry so that’s 49 percent

farmers or industry so that’s 49 percent biomass yield scuse me yield on the

biomass yield scuse me yield on the

biomass yield scuse me yield on the biomass an additional 30 percent is

biomass an additional 30 percent is

biomass an additional 30 percent is converting is something called biochar

converting is something called biochar

converting is something called biochar which is the recalcitrant form of carbon

which is the recalcitrant form of carbon

which is the recalcitrant form of carbon that resists microbial decomposition

that resists microbial decomposition

that resists microbial decomposition whereas the original plant matter is

whereas the original plant matter is

whereas the original plant matter is flexible its digestible its aliphatic is

flexible its digestible its aliphatic is

flexible its digestible its aliphatic is we can call it biochar is rigid its

we can call it biochar is rigid its

we can call it biochar is rigid its aromatic it’s largely and adjustable

aromatic it’s largely and adjustable

aromatic it’s largely and adjustable this stuff decomposes at a rate of a few

this stuff decomposes at a rate of a few

this stuff decomposes at a rate of a few orders of magnitude slower than the

orders of magnitude slower than the

orders of magnitude slower than the original biomass which means about 50%

original biomass which means about 50%

original biomass which means about 50% of the carbon that’s fed into that

of the carbon that’s fed into that

of the carbon that’s fed into that reactor is now converted into a form of

reactor is now converted into a form of

reactor is now converted into a form of carbon that could remain sequestered

carbon that could remain sequestered

carbon that could remain sequestered from the atmosphere for hundreds maybe

from the atmosphere for hundreds maybe

from the atmosphere for hundreds maybe even thousands of years so what are the

even thousands of years so what are the

even thousands of years so what are the applications for this stuff turns out it

applications for this stuff turns out it

applications for this stuff turns out it does some really great things for

does some really great things for

does some really great things for farming operations to help farmer

farming operations to help farmer

farming operations to help farmer sustainably intensify their operations

sustainably intensify their operations

sustainably intensify their operations and you should all care about that

and you should all care about that

and you should all care about that because in the next couple of decades

because in the next couple of decades

because in the next couple of decades we’re going to approach 9 to 10 billion

we’re going to approach 9 to 10 billion

we’re going to approach 9 to 10 billion people in current fruit production

people in current fruit production

people in current fruit production levels have almost got to double to feed

levels have almost got to double to feed

levels have almost got to double to feed that world but here’s the rub 40% of the

that world but here’s the rub 40% of the

that world but here’s the rub 40% of the world’s land is currently cultivated 70%

world’s land is currently cultivated 70%

world’s land is currently cultivated 70% of the world’s water already goes to

of the world’s water already goes to

of the world’s water already goes to agriculture guys we don’t have enough

agriculture guys we don’t have enough

agriculture guys we don’t have enough land in enough water to double food

land in enough water to double food

land in enough water to double food production at those current productivity

production at those current productivity

production at those current productivity levels the sustainable production our

levels the sustainable production our

levels the sustainable production our sustainable intensification of

sustainable intensification of

sustainable intensification of Agriculture is essential for all of us

Agriculture is essential for all of us

Agriculture is essential for all of us industrial applications for biochar that

industrial applications for biochar that

industrial applications for biochar that carbon material can be quite interesting

carbon material can be quite interesting

carbon material can be quite interesting it can be an insulator it can be used in

it can be an insulator it can be used in

it can be an insulator it can be used in semiconductor applications battery

semiconductor applications battery

semiconductor applications battery applications put into pavements where

applications put into pavements where

applications put into pavements where increases the rigidity and the thermal

increases the rigidity and the thermal

increases the rigidity and the thermal resistance of the pavement compared to

resistance of the pavement compared to

resistance of the pavement compared to its fossil fuel counterparts for the

its fossil fuel counterparts for the

its fossil fuel counterparts for the many applications for that even

many applications for that even

many applications for that even including for filtration the reason why

including for filtration the reason why

including for filtration the reason why I should say it helps farmers is that

I should say it helps farmers is that

I should say it helps farmers is that the material is incredibly porous and

the material is incredibly porous and

the material is incredibly porous and slightly charged it holds lots of water

slightly charged it holds lots of water

slightly charged it holds lots of water and it holds nutrients which means that

and it holds nutrients which means that

and it holds nutrients which means that farmers can reduce the amount of

farmers can reduce the amount of

farmers can reduce the amount of fertilizer and water use on the crops

fertilizer and water use on the crops

fertilizer and water use on the crops that spread for farmers as profits and

that spread for farmers as profits and

that spread for farmers as profits and that’s a good win for profit or for

that’s a good win for profit or for

that’s a good win for profit or for farmers so we’ve been doing the math we

farmers so we’ve been doing the math we

farmers so we’ve been doing the math we got 30% 19% an additional 30% that’s 79%

got 30% 19% an additional 30% that’s 79%

got 30% 19% an additional 30% that’s 79% product yield on biomass what about the

product yield on biomass what about the

product yield on biomass what about the other 21% the other 21% of this stuff is

other 21% the other 21% of this stuff is

other 21% the other 21% of this stuff is a non condensable gas which is our

a non condensable gas which is our

a non condensable gas which is our energy source that we collect you see

energy source that we collect you see

energy source that we collect you see this process produces its own energy

this process produces its own energy

this process produces its own energy it’s completely exothermic it uses no

it’s completely exothermic it uses no

it’s completely exothermic it uses no energy there is no waste

energy there is no waste

energy there is no waste there are no harmful pollutants produced

there are no harmful pollutants produced

there are no harmful pollutants produced by this and in fact as I said earlier

by this and in fact as I said earlier

by this and in fact as I said earlier the entire process completely carbon

the entire process completely carbon

the entire process completely carbon negative because about half of the

negative because about half of the

negative because about half of the carbon that’s fed in is put into

carbon that’s fed in is put into

carbon that’s fed in is put into recalcitrant forms of carbon that cannot

recalcitrant forms of carbon that cannot

recalcitrant forms of carbon that cannot feed back into the atmosphere so what

feed back into the atmosphere so what

feed back into the atmosphere so what are some of the challenges of doing this

are some of the challenges of doing this

are some of the challenges of doing this they’re big ones number one we’ve got to

they’re big ones number one we’ve got to

they’re big ones number one we’ve got to educate industry in the world about the

educate industry in the world about the

educate industry in the world about the benefits of using these carbon negative

benefits of using these carbon negative

benefits of using these carbon negative derivatives as well as convinced

derivatives as well as convinced

derivatives as well as convinced industrial scale agriculture that they

industrial scale agriculture that they

industrial scale agriculture that they ought to give these products to try and

ought to give these products to try and

ought to give these products to try and offset their chemical use and these

offset their chemical use and these

offset their chemical use and these sectors are slow to change

sectors are slow to change

sectors are slow to change moreover regulators are very slow to

moreover regulators are very slow to

moreover regulators are very slow to approve products even when they know

approve products even when they know

approve products even when they know that they’re intrinsically safe and

that they’re intrinsically safe and

that they’re intrinsically safe and naturally occurring – we’ve got some

naturally occurring – we’ve got some

naturally occurring – we’ve got some engineering challenges now you can make

engineering challenges now you can make

engineering challenges now you can make biochar and a hole in the ground you can

biochar and a hole in the ground you can

biochar and a hole in the ground you can make pyro lignin acid in a little still

make pyro lignin acid in a little still

make pyro lignin acid in a little still but if you’ve ever done an experiment in

but if you’ve ever done an experiment in

but if you’ve ever done an experiment in a laboratory you know that scaling from

a laboratory you know that scaling from

a laboratory you know that scaling from bench to industrial proportions the

bench to industrial proportions the

bench to industrial proportions the nonlinear exercise remember one of the

nonlinear exercise remember one of the

nonlinear exercise remember one of the reasons is is because we’re trying to

reasons is is because we’re trying to

reasons is is because we’re trying to recreate essentially the conditions of a

recreate essentially the conditions of a

recreate essentially the conditions of a very slow burning wolf forest fire that

very slow burning wolf forest fire that

very slow burning wolf forest fire that produced these carbon negative

produced these carbon negative

produced these carbon negative derivatives and three of the economic if

derivatives and three of the economic if

derivatives and three of the economic if you’re going to create a business or any

you’re going to create a business or any

you’re going to create a business or any opportunity that sources carbon from the

opportunity that sources carbon from the

opportunity that sources carbon from the atmosphere for industries or frankly

atmosphere for industries or frankly

atmosphere for industries or frankly sources anything for any supply chain

sources anything for any supply chain

sources anything for any supply chain process the business has to work problem

process the business has to work problem

process the business has to work problem folks with most biomass to X businesses

folks with most biomass to X businesses

folks with most biomass to X businesses is that the underlying value of the

is that the underlying value of the

is that the underlying value of the commodity X rarely covers the capital

commodity X rarely covers the capital

commodity X rarely covers the capital and operating costs the riddle to that

and operating costs the riddle to that

and operating costs the riddle to that puzzle is really instead of producing

puzzle is really instead of producing

puzzle is really instead of producing one derivative to produce two three four

one derivative to produce two three four

one derivative to produce two three four so think biomass 2x squared X cubed kind

so think biomass 2x squared X cubed kind

so think biomass 2x squared X cubed kind of derivatives it’s the only way that it

of derivatives it’s the only way that it

of derivatives it’s the only way that it can really work and scale and drive the

can really work and scale and drive the

can really work and scale and drive the prices down but these kind of products

prices down but these kind of products

prices down but these kind of products can be used around the world so I want

can be used around the world so I want

can be used around the world so I want you to think again about that billion

you to think again about that billion

you to think again about that billion tons of biomass that is available every

tons of biomass that is available every

tons of biomass that is available every year in the United States

year in the United States

year in the United States that for the most part today either rots

that for the most part today either rots

that for the most part today either rots or is burned and fed back into the

or is burned and fed back into the

or is burned and fed back into the atmosphere alternatively 790 million

atmosphere alternatively 790 million

atmosphere alternatively 790 million tons of carbon negative products could

tons of carbon negative products could

tons of carbon negative products could be produced with that biomass supply

be produced with that biomass supply

be produced with that biomass supply industrial supply chains and make the

industrial supply chains and make the

industrial supply chains and make the atmosphere a carbon source for

atmosphere a carbon source for

atmosphere a carbon source for industries thank

industries thank

industries thank [Applause]

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