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Hello my

call Ilya I dress

writer

literary

translator and reader

certainly passionate

reader

I read from three years and

over the years for

of course there was

a certain circle

favorite authors and that

interesting to follow and

these authors well

literally 20 %

those who wrote and

write in the same language

on which I speak with

childhood, that is,

in Russian

and all the other 80

percent write on

all world languages

Tolkien and Salinger cable

both

and Murakami’s Kafka

all these people

wrote on some

their own languages ​​and we

we read in translation

read and often not even

think about

what a titanic

work for all this

often does not even

look under

cover on the

page on which

there is a weekend

book data for

to see him

an interpreter

but it is from this

depends on

the world that we

keep in hand it

our

perception from that or

other books here

therefore

literary

I want to translate

you today

talk and I remember

as in my childhood I

first realized that

My favorite books

written well on some

other languages ​​and me

terribly wanted

to look here at

that side to the other

side of the moon to know

what did I start there

dig and and soon

found out that for example

Peppy has a long stocking

in fact, not at all

baby a peppy about epi and

done

carriers for

Russian to

it’s somehow more

sounded sweet

or for example

kids fairy tales kid and

carlson

in the original sounds

as lily brough it on

Swedish means

little brother or

brother in our

if accurately translated

title of this book

then you get a brother

and carlson

such discoveries

there were many and each

Such a discovery made

my world

well a little more

complex a little more

integral it is like

know when all

life goes and

You speak a tie and

then suddenly some

moment of life

find out what’s wrong with

German hals

the neck is translated and here

scarf and tie it

not just some kind of

a set of letters and this

neck shawl words

It makes sense and this

very cool and

especially did not like

in childhood when u

works was

next presented

the original ie I

I remember tearing out of

looking through the mirror

Carroll reached

creations of barmaglot

translation into sound

how the crooked cooked

the doormen were

nave

and they grunted and

how outgrabe and

next was the original from

you are in this light it up

DJ Inge Blend

wipe full of two vases

brohams enzyme let out waxy

Of course this is a play on words

and wanted me a lot

claims to this

translation but not

less in childhood for

it was me well

unusually cool

to have a possibility

see

their number translation

original and therefore

here is the first tip

who want to give you

if you have such a

possibility always

compare

work from

original let you

do not even understand

tongue let you do not even

understand the meaning but

in any case

you can read

see how they look

feel the letters

feel the rhythm

phonetics melodic

language that

invested in it

work itself

author then passed

I grew up for a while

I began to study well

what is already his

literature

began to write books

go to festivals

receive some

and continued

study foreign

languages and to some extent

the moment i

I thought why not

combine the two

classes and do not start

translate to do

literary

translations

I myself decided to start

from poetry because

it seemed to me that with

one side

poems such

small form

convenient for work in

the other side of the elements

also not just text in

this is

Well this is very

Capacitance is a massive attack

structure in which

there is rhyme and rhythm and

size and metaphors and

some cultural

illusions and play of words and

so on and so on

and so on, that is

at its capacity there

there is a very

great interesting

amount of work I own

time led me

translated there from

English robert

frost kipling break with

Spanish translated

Orc said skoke and on

wives of jumabaev and

bryant he is king

anaconda kashin guide

him from Swedish

for example, there gong

Irak lech and so on

and each time coming to

this or that author

familiarize yourself with

existing

translations

poems of this

author

I suddenly found out

that very often these

translations are pretty

free ones already available

rather inaccurate

but to me this freedom

always wanted to

avoid because

It turned down from well

who am I

translator a to i

I take the transmitter for

from one language I

transfer to another

what right do I have in

intervening in the fact that

thought the author let

even I do not like

some reception

which he uses

let him be some kind of

quite accurate to my

not exactly look

relevant but I have

right

try to make it

better to do it

better in my opinion

it seems to me that there is no me

tried to do

translations as possible

more precise as

more capacious

transmitting exactly that

that they pawned

the author of this

there were many

here’s a look

for example if

talk about the meaning

I’ll show you a few

examples of inaccuracy

semantic translation

is the creation of

robert frost one of

the known scale

poems

stop fighting

value new

eugenia is

poem

the person who is traveling

on horseback he rode out

long ago from somewhere and

his house is still somewhere

far ahead and with

one side of the lake with

the other side of the forest

already dark evening

almost a night of great

The sky above him and he

only stops

his horse and

I feel so

small

among this huge

huge

snow-capped dark

world and its this

here is your horse

satellite author

calls the prayer horse

my little horse

my horse is essentially a

in half of the transfers

and I saw the drives 10

this poem in

half of the transfers

translators write my

horse will agree that

we call one and the other

but the same animal

difference in perception

very big horse

it’s like in here in

Poltava at Petra

the first

he is driven to a horse

retif and humble faithful

horse why fatal

the fire snores

skew enter and race in

battle plan proud

mighty rider here

it’s a horse

but here we saw

speed I’m loud

The world around is not

and that is the difference

the greatest or

such as Abay and

wonderful

poem I also

was engaged in

translations

first two lines

it sounds so cool

for son kick top all is

joint from the gent of the heart

and how these

two lines in this

classical

Soviet translation

which appeared in

many published

books in textbooks

when all the shadows

lengthening merge into

one not only what

rhythm is broken here

so also look

here it’s not about the shadows

about one shadow before

glinka

and no one there is

merges into one

there is talk about

that the shadow when doyani

lengthens it hides

that’s all far from

eye and if

look at

context of this

poems

it becomes clear

what is this poem

about old age

and at the age of this

shadows of trees in no mountains

and this is the shadow of the

the author of the old man is already

essence and this shadow

extending simply than

older it becomes

hides from him but

some old

memories of forgotten

whose people he

met it can

be in childhood when

then he no longer remembers

all this too

long shadow and that is

as a matter of fact changing here

these two lines

the very beginning

completely changing

basic metaphor

full poem

completely changing

meaning

and we are in fact these sweet

arena and read these

transfers to them

are brought up

believe that this is all

here are the author’s and so

conceived and that’s why

here is my next you

advice not to bring down all

blame on the author when

read translations

it can very well be that

you just fell for it

bad translation

look for others on

compare and when

find a good one

hold on to good

interpreter because

what good

translators and small

when they meet

keep a close eye on

them and remember them

names and look well

what and what do they lead

nola so it was

this is for you

guiding star

Well this is the meaning but there is

still for example the form

there is a rhythm of size here

for example, also

Canadian Poetry

often

there is a

accepted

traditional

the structure of the stanza when

first and second

the fourth line they

identical in length and

has the same

general rhyme and the third

the line is knocked out yes

and by length and by

some last

word

but but for example

marzhan chapter iv of their

verses very often

that’s right with this

habitual

standard

traditional form

experimenting

there are some

their absolutely new

non-standard shapes

unconventional

templates are trying to

introduce destroying

the old

already templates and here’s one

from these creations I want

bring you too

example of disc shahar

disk and shahar than breeze

solar balls on other in chicken

the son of the chicken maidan say

oh mother in mazar sayan

I sing a solo tap

Turgan gasoline is not

smoking chicken son we

heat tab legends

months insan wave

people ipt Turan and for

him some rice chicken

need a market in

looks and Richard

ay above screen kazanin

do not smoke a chicken son then

in that and all our nazar in

and here’s how

translate it I

trying to

reproduce the same

the rhythm that does not

simple complex

hear yes that he does not

traditional old

city morning world on

if you leave him

look what you see

you will see the graves on

areas on graves

hundreds of saints

endless prayers

keep saying you’ll see

you will see mosques

become calm and in

everyone aspires a mule

azan louder than all

scream

you see you ‘ll see

a purring bazaar and

bubbles on every corner

red hot boiling water

cauldron

what you see will see

wait until you look

tired

do you hear what

unusual rhythm here

how can such a rhythm

change what they do

some

translators as possible

and change what is on

essentially underlies but

some kind of creation

works this

a very important aspect

on which

it’s worth it

pay attention to

of course not

single up to the point

before the form

but there is also

some aspects of

poetry which, too

require careful

and often

such a severe and

solid solution

translator here

for example I’ll cite

example from the modern

poetry example

Related to

cultural

allusions

aygerim is also our

modern ballet

one of the most

known for

our

at least because

that her elements

translated into whole

a number of foreign

he speaks English

I’m translating ex

president of the association

literary

translators for america

john cage and there you need to

several awards you

played with these

verses and translations

and one day I know how

case in one of

poems

Aigerim had been

phrase in

word combinations kosche

his life and jim

ran into

misunderstanding but how

kristin english

can say kosche with

life yes but I do not understand

to do in the dish what else

in English you can

give a link to the example

as though on that is here

a footnote and some

Explain that the Koshchei

this is

mythological

creature on even

middle

poems

present everywhere

stop watch

something for footnotes then

return

already all have forgotten well that

there is a result after

long reflection

the decision was made

from finding some

analogue in mythology

English-speaking

population that was

would be most approximate

mythological

being the most

close-knit

In this case, there was

made the choice on

hum bulls life that is

such a creature

similar in appearance to

when the Koshchei

but every time

such are the things every

once forced

an interpreter

take some

very important decision

because well,

it is impossible to translate

this is exactly what you need to find

some way out or

such as phonetics in

In many

poems of the poet

use well

some special

phonetic techniques

here I am, for example

was engaged in translation

from Swedish Czech

so in the market of the bodice

and in his poems

often occurs

that’s it, here’s the accent

to sounds up to 1 to

12 12 ddd is everything

or maybe it was

the phrase is so lego

trout xd death

separated from themselves

heard as it

It sounds and if

take a closer look

more attentively it is possible

see that there are three

times repeated in

headlight liegt das world

forte peat antidote

target

and translating this into

русский язык I

tried to keep

keep the rhythm size

meaning

Well, play well with

play with

sounds as it is

does the author because

that I owe this

do as a translator

I must follow that

what do I do

brought it so live

dangerous degeneration

this deserve me

gave the letter f the letter f

and I lost three times

just as he played

with phonetics

the most gunnara of Kiev

such examples

which I quote

it’s actually hundreds and

thousands and of course

anyway, no matter how

was good and translation

do it well

absolutely the same

as the original

It is impossible but possible

try very hard

can be very

try to do

translation maximally

transparent so that

Well, for example, if we

read the poem

the said said

words in Russian

so that we here in this

in Russian

heard phonetics

Kazakh language

so that we hear

sounding

Kazakh language

melody of this language

well, let alone

sense and form of everything

this so that we through

one language

heard another here

it seems to me that here’s to

this is necessary

strive always this

it is certainly difficult and

because such

of translations

a little but I really

I want to believe that

importance of value

literary

translation in our

the country will

consciously and who knows

there may be someone from

sitting in this room

impressed

inspired by my

performance is also

decides to devote himself

this profession

Thanks you

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