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What It’s Like to Make a Show About the Islamic State | The State


we carried out about 18 months of

we carried out about 18 months of research for the state National

research for the state National

research for the state National Geographic drama we had a team of

Geographic drama we had a team of

Geographic drama we had a team of researchers based in Britain working

researchers based in Britain working

researchers based in Britain working internationally there’s a huge amount of

internationally there’s a huge amount of

internationally there’s a huge amount of material on social media there’s a huge

material on social media there’s a huge

material on social media there’s a huge amount of video material posted by the

amount of video material posted by the

amount of video material posted by the Islamic state there scarily proficient

Islamic state there scarily proficient

Islamic state there scarily proficient and everything we’ve done in the drama

and everything we’ve done in the drama

and everything we’ve done in the drama stands on the shoulders of that research

stands on the shoulders of that research

stands on the shoulders of that research although the characters are kind of

although the characters are kind of

although the characters are kind of composites of a number of real people

composites of a number of real people

composites of a number of real people everything you see in the drama actually

everything you see in the drama actually

everything you see in the drama actually takes place grows out of the research

takes place grows out of the research

takes place grows out of the research that we’ve carried out so although it

that we’ve carried out so although it

that we’ve carried out so although it goes under the banner of a fictional

goes under the banner of a fictional

goes under the banner of a fictional drama because the characters are

drama because the characters are

drama because the characters are fictional every event you see depicted

fictional every event you see depicted

fictional every event you see depicted within it really took place I think

within it really took place I think

within it really took place I think we’ve always felt that in an ideal world

we’ve always felt that in an ideal world

we’ve always felt that in an ideal world the show would be an entity antidote to

the show would be an entity antidote to

the show would be an entity antidote to simplistic thought so people could do so

simplistic thought so people could do so

simplistic thought so people could do so trying at a different understanding a

trying at a different understanding a

trying at a different understanding a deeper understanding of what might

deeper understanding of what might

deeper understanding of what might motivate young people to travel to Syria

motivate young people to travel to Syria

motivate young people to travel to Syria I think part of the problem is there’s a

I think part of the problem is there’s a

I think part of the problem is there’s a very unsophisticated view of the kind of

very unsophisticated view of the kind of

very unsophisticated view of the kind of guys from this country and elsewhere in

guys from this country and elsewhere in

guys from this country and elsewhere in the world who traveled to Syria and

the world who traveled to Syria and

the world who traveled to Syria and around about 2014-2015 there’s a

around about 2014-2015 there’s a

around about 2014-2015 there’s a tendency to just say well they’re

tendency to just say well they’re

tendency to just say well they’re clearly all insane joining some kind of

clearly all insane joining some kind of

clearly all insane joining some kind of death cult in the drama we show that

death cult in the drama we show that

death cult in the drama we show that people go out for all different types of

people go out for all different types of

people go out for all different types of reasons and it’s not as simple as people

reasons and it’s not as simple as people

reasons and it’s not as simple as people might think that it’s a far more complex

might think that it’s a far more complex

might think that it’s a far more complex situation and hopefully the drama gets

situation and hopefully the drama gets

situation and hopefully the drama gets inside in a way the documentaries can’t

inside in a way the documentaries can’t

inside in a way the documentaries can’t drama is always engaged with these

drama is always engaged with these

drama is always engaged with these difficult forces within society and and

difficult forces within society and and

difficult forces within society and and the state is just another example of

the state is just another example of

the state is just another example of that kind of attempt the Islamic state

that kind of attempt the Islamic state

that kind of attempt the Islamic state has been responsible for a number of

has been responsible for a number of

has been responsible for a number of appalling atrocities I don’t think we do

appalling atrocities I don’t think we do

appalling atrocities I don’t think we do a service to the families of those

a service to the families of those

a service to the families of those who’ve suffered or to those who’ve been

who’ve suffered or to those who’ve been

who’ve suffered or to those who’ve been caught up in their bombing outrages and

caught up in their bombing outrages and

caught up in their bombing outrages and survived with horrific injuries by

survived with horrific injuries by

survived with horrific injuries by simply suggesting that the people

simply suggesting that the people

simply suggesting that the people involved in this organization are insane

involved in this organization are insane

involved in this organization are insane it’s our job as dramatists to hold a

it’s our job as dramatists to hold a

it’s our job as dramatists to hold a mirror up to society and to treat with

mirror up to society and to treat with

mirror up to society and to treat with these sometimes extremely difficult

these sometimes extremely difficult

these sometimes extremely difficult subjects that are

subjects that are

subjects that are of current importance and I suppose our

of current importance and I suppose our

of current importance and I suppose our objective here in trying to examine this

objective here in trying to examine this

objective here in trying to examine this this event which needs to be happening

this event which needs to be happening

this event which needs to be happening in in our world at the moment is to try

in in our world at the moment is to try

in in our world at the moment is to try to take a more nuanced view of it to get

to take a more nuanced view of it to get

to take a more nuanced view of it to get a little bit beyond the depiction of

a little bit beyond the depiction of

a little bit beyond the depiction of these people as insane or psychotic

these people as insane or psychotic

these people as insane or psychotic because how are we ever going to combat

because how are we ever going to combat

because how are we ever going to combat it if we don’t properly understand it

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