maybe the the viewer isn’t as critical as a TV critic would be watching these
as a TV critic would be watching these
as a TV critic would be watching these things but at some point it becomes very
things but at some point it becomes very
things but at some point it becomes very evident that you’re watching things that
evident that you’re watching things that
evident that you’re watching things that are clearly recorded well after the fact
are clearly recorded well after the fact
are clearly recorded well after the fact what are you talking about you you knew
what are you talking about you you knew
what are you talking about you you knew you lost exactly or like something else
you lost exactly or like something else
you lost exactly or like something else why jerks back and watching you know the
why jerks back and watching you know the
why jerks back and watching you know the jousting show they would go like wow I
jousting show they would go like wow I
jousting show they would go like wow I didn’t know what was gonna happen it was
didn’t know what was gonna happen it was
didn’t know what was gonna happen it was like you totally well that was on Real
like you totally well that was on Real
like you totally well that was on Real Housewives Tamra
Housewives Tamra
Housewives Tamra goes on vacation talking about I want
goes on vacation talking about I want
goes on vacation talking about I want him to propose he keeps talking is he
him to propose he keeps talking is he
him to propose he keeps talking is he gonna give me a ring is he gonna give me
gonna give me a ring is he gonna give me
gonna give me a ring is he gonna give me the entire episode she’s talking about
the entire episode she’s talking about
the entire episode she’s talking about it what happens if he proposes at the
it what happens if he proposes at the
it what happens if he proposes at the end he proposed she knew you know
end he proposed she knew you know
end he proposed she knew you know clearly she was engaged by this time
clearly she was engaged by this time
clearly she was engaged by this time she’s got the chance right exactly in
she’s got the chance right exactly in
she’s got the chance right exactly in the middle of the day which is a great
the middle of the day which is a great
the middle of the day which is a great thing about something like the bachelor
thing about something like the bachelor
thing about something like the bachelor bachelorette where they will pull them
bachelorette where they will pull them
bachelorette where they will pull them out of the date and they’re so clearly
out of the date and they’re so clearly
out of the date and they’re so clearly drunk without well and I think the
drunk without well and I think the
drunk without well and I think the bigger problem is Oh like you can when
bigger problem is Oh like you can when
bigger problem is Oh like you can when you’re watching and you know that
you’re watching and you know that
you’re watching and you know that someone is asked to be doing lines in
someone is asked to be doing lines in
someone is asked to be doing lines in the moment there’s a difference between
the moment there’s a difference between
the moment there’s a difference between I think when they’re sort of narrating
I think when they’re sort of narrating
I think when they’re sort of narrating the show or talking in interviews then
the show or talking in interviews then
the show or talking in interviews then when like they’re in a real moment and
when like they’re in a real moment and
when like they’re in a real moment and like real people aren’t actors for a
like real people aren’t actors for a
like real people aren’t actors for a reason and you can I think write viewers
reason and you can I think write viewers
reason and you can I think write viewers are pretty discerning about that and you
are pretty discerning about that and you
are pretty discerning about that and you could watch and be like this person’s
could watch and be like this person’s
could watch and be like this person’s acting is horrible and I’m not just
acting is horrible and I’m not just
acting is horrible and I’m not just talking about the hills but there are
talking about the hills but there are
talking about the hills but there are other shows that really do like stretch
other shows that really do like stretch
other shows that really do like stretch that line but look at loss of America’s
that line but look at loss of America’s
that line but look at loss of America’s lost treasures I mean you know that show
lost treasures I mean you know that show
lost treasures I mean you know that show it’s it’s it’s a great you know concept
it’s it’s it’s a great you know concept
it’s it’s it’s a great you know concept in execution and the one wildcard always
in execution and the one wildcard always
in execution and the one wildcard always is that pure raw human being that walks
is that pure raw human being that walks
is that pure raw human being that walks in carrying something right and you know
in carrying something right and you know
in carrying something right and you know it’s the something that you’re
it’s the something that you’re
it’s the something that you’re fascinated by and you pray to God they
fascinated by and you pray to God they
fascinated by and you pray to God they can open their mouth and see some
can open their mouth and see some
can open their mouth and see some coaching or you know that after
coaching or you know that after
coaching or you know that after screening these episodes you got really
screening these episodes you got really
screening these episodes you got really lucky that you got hyper-verbal people
lucky that you got hyper-verbal people
lucky that you got hyper-verbal people in in possession of very interesting
in in possession of very interesting
in in possession of very interesting artifacts see and exam if you’ve got a
artifacts see and exam if you’ve got a
artifacts see and exam if you’ve got a dud who is like yeah I think I have
dud who is like yeah I think I have
dud who is like yeah I think I have cannon
cannon
cannon skull you can use them yeah I actually
skull you can use them yeah I actually
skull you can use them yeah I actually think that’s it just as interesting
think that’s it just as interesting
think that’s it just as interesting though is like you have Kennedy’s skull
though is like you have Kennedy’s skull
though is like you have Kennedy’s skull and you don’t care that’s like your
and you don’t care that’s like your
and you don’t care that’s like your super fascinating cuz you’re like what
super fascinating cuz you’re like what
super fascinating cuz you’re like what wake up like I just want to shake you
wake up like I just want to shake you
wake up like I just want to shake you through my Tivo look honey I can’t look
through my Tivo look honey I can’t look
through my Tivo look honey I can’t look right through it oh no but but but we
right through it oh no but but but we
right through it oh no but but but we got so lucky with that because in
got so lucky with that because in
got so lucky with that because in essence but you know you are you’re just
essence but you know you are you’re just
essence but you know you are you’re just your cross your fingers and you know
your cross your fingers and you know
your cross your fingers and you know obviously what you do as a producer you
obviously what you do as a producer you
obviously what you do as a producer you minimize but we’ve got great you know
minimize but we’ve got great you know
minimize but we’ve got great you know show running Gail Gilman and her whole
show running Gail Gilman and her whole
show running Gail Gilman and her whole team I mean they they got those people
team I mean they they got those people
team I mean they they got those people very animated you know and much more so
very animated you know and much more so
very animated you know and much more so than we anticipated so it was great but
than we anticipated so it was great but
than we anticipated so it was great but it was the object that we were
it was the object that we were
it was the object that we were interested in you know and then you just
interested in you know and then you just
interested in you know and then you just pray to God that somebody showed up with
pray to God that somebody showed up with
pray to God that somebody showed up with interesting so on the same vein when
interesting so on the same vein when
interesting so on the same vein when things actually do get real in reality
things actually do get real in reality
things actually do get real in reality how do you feel about reality TVs in all
how do you feel about reality TVs in all
how do you feel about reality TVs in all of its different subgenres their
of its different subgenres their
of its different subgenres their approach to tragedies things like what
approach to tragedies things like what
approach to tragedies things like what Deadliest Catch is going through what
Deadliest Catch is going through what
Deadliest Catch is going through what the Housewives of Beverly Hills went
the Housewives of Beverly Hills went
the Housewives of Beverly Hills went through do you think that there’s do you
through do you think that there’s do you
through do you think that there’s do you think there’s a line that should be
think there’s a line that should be
think there’s a line that should be drawn where that reality is not
drawn where that reality is not
drawn where that reality is not necessarily let me tell you weapon
necessarily let me tell you weapon
necessarily let me tell you weapon fodder but as a filmmaker and this is
fodder but as a filmmaker and this is
fodder but as a filmmaker and this is you’re asking me it’s not a producer as
you’re asking me it’s not a producer as
you’re asking me it’s not a producer as a filmmaker you know the captain Phil’s
a filmmaker you know the captain Phil’s
a filmmaker you know the captain Phil’s death I thought was just some of those
death I thought was just some of those
death I thought was just some of those it was the most perfect hour of
it was the most perfect hour of
it was the most perfect hour of television we had ever made because we
television we had ever made because we
television we had ever made because we it was all the setup before that it was
it was all the setup before that it was
it was all the setup before that it was the fact that we had been in his life
the fact that we had been in his life
the fact that we had been in his life for five years you know that we had we
for five years you know that we had we
for five years you know that we had we were trusted that we had never done
were trusted that we had never done
were trusted that we had never done anything you know for them not to trust
anything you know for them not to trust
anything you know for them not to trust us that we were that we were part of the
us that we were that we were part of the
us that we were that we were part of the family and that when we got in the
family and that when we got in the
family and that when we got in the middle of that and the brothers are
middle of that and the brothers are
middle of that and the brothers are bickering and fight and they let us in
bickering and fight and they let us in
bickering and fight and they let us in constantly the producers in the middle
constantly the producers in the middle
constantly the producers in the middle actually putting the camera going guys
actually putting the camera going guys
actually putting the camera going guys you got a sec yeah I mean we got so into
you got a sec yeah I mean we got so into
you got a sec yeah I mean we got so into that world and but at the same time
captain Phil said you know he he said
captain Phil said you know he he said look he wrote down a piece of paper he
look he wrote down a piece of paper he
look he wrote down a piece of paper he just said you know you got to tell a
just said you know you got to tell a
just said you know you got to tell a story you know so if we had permission
story you know so if we had permission
story you know so if we had permission from a man who was on his deathbed to
from a man who was on his deathbed to
from a man who was on his deathbed to tell that story but yeah I got to tell
tell that story but yeah I got to tell
tell that story but yeah I got to tell you the struggles that we had there were
you the struggles that we had there were
you the struggles that we had there were two kinds of struggles one was with the
two kinds of struggles one was with the
two kinds of struggles one was with the network it’s
network it’s
network it’s of you know who didn’t want to deal with
of you know who didn’t want to deal with
of you know who didn’t want to deal with the drug abuse or their we had major
the drug abuse or their we had major
the drug abuse or their we had major fights dealing with that and we said
fights dealing with that and we said
fights dealing with that and we said look at we’ve got to tell that story and
look at we’ve got to tell that story and
look at we’ve got to tell that story and it came to a point where I said look I’m
it came to a point where I said look I’m
it came to a point where I said look I’m gonna cut this and I’m putting it in and
gonna cut this and I’m putting it in and
gonna cut this and I’m putting it in and I’m gonna send it to you and that’s my
I’m gonna send it to you and that’s my
I’m gonna send it to you and that’s my job and you guys want to be idiots and
job and you guys want to be idiots and
job and you guys want to be idiots and take it out that’s your job you know cuz
take it out that’s your job you know cuz
take it out that’s your job you know cuz I’m not doing it I refuse do it but the
I’m not doing it I refuse do it but the
I’m not doing it I refuse do it but the other thing was you know his in his
other thing was you know his in his
other thing was you know his in his death you know the opportunity for us to
death you know the opportunity for us to
death you know the opportunity for us to really tell that story the complete
really tell that story the complete
really tell that story the complete story and allow the two boys that’s how
story and allow the two boys that’s how
story and allow the two boys that’s how we told his death I’m not gonna I mean
we told his death I’m not gonna I mean
we told his death I’m not gonna I mean believe me I’ve got cameras in the in
believe me I’ve got cameras in the in
believe me I’ve got cameras in the in the hospital but I’m not gonna use that
the hospital but I’m not gonna use that
the hospital but I’m not gonna use that footage you know I’m not I would never
footage you know I’m not I would never
footage you know I’m not I would never use that but the point is that that that
use that but the point is that that that
use that but the point is that that that it it unfolded and I gotta tell you that
it it unfolded and I gotta tell you that
it it unfolded and I gotta tell you that was a toughest four weeks of our lives
was a toughest four weeks of our lives
was a toughest four weeks of our lives because I mean I could only screen about
because I mean I could only screen about
because I mean I could only screen about two minutes a day and we’d walk out god
two minutes a day and we’d walk out god
two minutes a day and we’d walk out god I can’t do this anymore okay so anyway
I can’t do this anymore okay so anyway
I can’t do this anymore okay so anyway it was but look there’s the line is
it was but look there’s the line is
it was but look there’s the line is drawn because you know and trust the
drawn because you know and trust the
drawn because you know and trust the subject and if anybody’s gonna pander to
subject and if anybody’s gonna pander to
subject and if anybody’s gonna pander to that world I mean I I don’t think I
that world I mean I I don’t think I
that world I mean I I don’t think I think that there’s just a true taste and
think that there’s just a true taste and
think that there’s just a true taste and I think involved and that there are
I think involved and that there are
I think involved and that there are there are enough people with with with
there are enough people with with with
there are enough people with with with with class that that will never happen
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