Press "Enter" to skip to content

The Power of Photography to Reveal | Nat Geo Live


[Music]

[Music] [Applause]

[Applause]

[Applause] very few people have ever seen the

very few people have ever seen the

very few people have ever seen the inside of North Korea unless you’re

inside of North Korea unless you’re

inside of North Korea unless you’re Dennis Rodman you probably don’t know

Dennis Rodman you probably don’t know

Dennis Rodman you probably don’t know anything about the country what you know

anything about the country what you know

anything about the country what you know you probably learned from Dennis Rodman

yeah it’s safe to say that people know

yeah it’s safe to say that people know very very little about the country it is

very very little about the country it is

very very little about the country it is one of the most isolated least

one of the most isolated least

one of the most isolated least understood places left on earth and part

understood places left on earth and part

understood places left on earth and part of that reason is that there are very

of that reason is that there are very

of that reason is that there are very very few photographs that have come out

very few photographs that have come out

very few photographs that have come out of the country in the last 60 years

of the country in the last 60 years

of the country in the last 60 years since the Armistice and the secession of

since the Armistice and the secession of

since the Armistice and the secession of the war there’s almost no visual record

the war there’s almost no visual record

the war there’s almost no visual record independent visual record at all of what

independent visual record at all of what

independent visual record at all of what life is like for ordinary North Koreans

what few pictures that have come out

what few pictures that have come out over the years are brought to us by the

over the years are brought to us by the

over the years are brought to us by the state media of North Korea this picture

state media of North Korea this picture

state media of North Korea this picture was taken by the Korean Central News

was taken by the Korean Central News

was taken by the Korean Central News Agency and it’s supposed to be showing a

Agency and it’s supposed to be showing a

Agency and it’s supposed to be showing a dam project construction site you know

dam project construction site you know

dam project construction site you know the photography information it all flows

the photography information it all flows

the photography information it all flows in one direction it comes from one place

in one direction it comes from one place

in one direction it comes from one place this is how we get our image of the

this is how we get our image of the

this is how we get our image of the country and this is a state agency where

country and this is a state agency where

country and this is a state agency where the word propagandist is not a dirty

the word propagandist is not a dirty

the word propagandist is not a dirty word they project an image of an ideal

word they project an image of an ideal

word they project an image of an ideal image a sanitized picture of their

image a sanitized picture of their

image a sanitized picture of their country a very controlled image and

country a very controlled image and

country a very controlled image and that’s sort of what I’m fighting against

that’s sort of what I’m fighting against

that’s sort of what I’m fighting against this is my version of the same

this is my version of the same

this is my version of the same now-famous traffic police in North Korea

now-famous traffic police in North Korea

now-famous traffic police in North Korea thanks JP I’m the only Western

thanks JP I’m the only Western

thanks JP I’m the only Western photojournalist who has regular access

photojournalist who has regular access

photojournalist who has regular access inside the country of North Korea and I

inside the country of North Korea and I

inside the country of North Korea and I go there with a different point of view

go there with a different point of view

go there with a different point of view I go there even with a completely

I go there even with a completely

I go there even with a completely different understanding of what

different understanding of what

different understanding of what photography is for when the story came

photography is for when the story came

photography is for when the story came out in the arc

out in the arc

out in the arc issue of National Geographic the

issue of National Geographic the

issue of National Geographic the subtitle of the story was truth is

subtitle of the story was truth is

subtitle of the story was truth is rarely simple and that really was apt

rarely simple and that really was apt

rarely simple and that really was apt because it really describes what my work

because it really describes what my work

because it really describes what my work is like there or even what my life is

is like there or even what my life is

is like there or even what my life is like there this photo was taken at the

like there this photo was taken at the

like there this photo was taken at the Space Center where the next day the

Space Center where the next day the

Space Center where the next day the North Koreans were planning to launch

North Koreans were planning to launch

North Koreans were planning to launch the UN ha 3 rocket the entire world was

the UN ha 3 rocket the entire world was

the UN ha 3 rocket the entire world was claiming that the North Koreans were

claiming that the North Koreans were

claiming that the North Koreans were test firing a nuclear capable

test firing a nuclear capable

test firing a nuclear capable intercontinental ballistic missile and

intercontinental ballistic missile and

intercontinental ballistic missile and the Koreans wanted to show that they

the Koreans wanted to show that they

the Koreans wanted to show that they were going to launch a peaceful

were going to launch a peaceful

were going to launch a peaceful satellite and I came there they wanted

satellite and I came there they wanted

satellite and I came there they wanted me to see it and they wanted me to show

me to see it and they wanted me to show

me to see it and they wanted me to show the world what I saw so that’s my job 30

the world what I saw so that’s my job 30

the world what I saw so that’s my job 30 trips or so a hundred days a year trying

trips or so a hundred days a year trying

trips or so a hundred days a year trying to interpret reality trying to reveal

to interpret reality trying to reveal

to interpret reality trying to reveal what is real inside the country so I go

what is real inside the country so I go

what is real inside the country so I go to a lot of the events the propaganda as

to a lot of the events the propaganda as

to a lot of the events the propaganda as well this was a math synchronized

well this was a math synchronized

well this was a math synchronized swimming event the women were swimming

swimming event the women were swimming

swimming event the women were swimming or dancing to a song called we will

or dancing to a song called we will

or dancing to a song called we will defend general kim jeong-hoon with our

defend general kim jeong-hoon with our

defend general kim jeong-hoon with our lives

and a lot of people probably know about

and a lot of people probably know about the mass games in North Korea if they

the mass games in North Korea if they

the mass games in North Korea if they know anything and that is you walk into

know anything and that is you walk into

know anything and that is you walk into a football stadium and there are hundred

a football stadium and there are hundred

a football stadium and there are hundred thousand-plus people in the stands

thousand-plus people in the stands

thousand-plus people in the stands holding these colored flip books where

holding these colored flip books where

holding these colored flip books where they create these massive socialist

they create these massive socialist

they create these massive socialist realist images and propaganda but from

realist images and propaganda but from

realist images and propaganda but from my seat and with the benefit of a long

my seat and with the benefit of a long

my seat and with the benefit of a long enough lens you can see that these are

enough lens you can see that these are

enough lens you can see that these are not pixels but these are human pixels

not pixels but these are human pixels

not pixels but these are human pixels eggs with legs sometimes they make it

eggs with legs sometimes they make it

eggs with legs sometimes they make it easy on me

easy on me

easy on me you really just have to you really just

you really just have to you really just

you really just have to you really just have to shoot what’s in front of you

and over time we’ve started to get I’ve

and over time we’ve started to get I’ve been able to get away from the

been able to get away from the

been able to get away from the programmed away from the events and out

programmed away from the events and out

programmed away from the events and out into the rest of the country to places

into the rest of the country to places

into the rest of the country to places where very few outsiders have ever seen

where very few outsiders have ever seen

where very few outsiders have ever seen and certainly very few have ever

and certainly very few have ever

and certainly very few have ever photographed what life is like in

photographed what life is like in

photographed what life is like in especially the rural parts of the

especially the rural parts of the

especially the rural parts of the country and something else that which is

country and something else that which is

country and something else that which is maybe even more important to me which is

maybe even more important to me which is

maybe even more important to me which is that I can start to find these unguarded

that I can start to find these unguarded

that I can start to find these unguarded unscripted moments where I can look into

unscripted moments where I can look into

unscripted moments where I can look into people’s eyes and we can start to make a

people’s eyes and we can start to make a

people’s eyes and we can start to make a connection with people so I can talk a

connection with people so I can talk a

connection with people so I can talk a little bit about how I work there in

little bit about how I work there in

little bit about how I work there in 2011 the AP our president at the time

2011 the AP our president at the time

2011 the AP our president at the time Tom Curley who I think is even here

Tom Curley who I think is even here

Tom Curley who I think is even here tonight said he had an idea that we

tonight said he had an idea that we

tonight said he had an idea that we should try to open a Bureau in North

should try to open a Bureau in North

should try to open a Bureau in North Korea it was a very brave idea I think

Korea it was a very brave idea I think

Korea it was a very brave idea I think and I had the idea or the crazy idea

and I had the idea or the crazy idea

and I had the idea or the crazy idea that I should be the one that would go

that I should be the one that would go

that I should be the one that would go and be the photographer there I’ve made

and be the photographer there I’ve made

and be the photographer there I’ve made 30 trips we submit all of our requests

30 trips we submit all of our requests

30 trips we submit all of our requests each month we have to ask to go

each month we have to ask to go

each month we have to ask to go everywhere we want to go we don’t access

everywhere we want to go we don’t access

everywhere we want to go we don’t access everything we want we’ve asked to go

everything we want we’ve asked to go

everything we want we’ve asked to go inside the uranium enrichment plant

inside the uranium enrichment plant

inside the uranium enrichment plant we’ve asked to see the leader himself so

we’ve asked to see the leader himself so

we’ve asked to see the leader himself so a lot of what I do is just done on the

a lot of what I do is just done on the

a lot of what I do is just done on the fly from the windows of cars going from

fly from the windows of cars going from

fly from the windows of cars going from place to place with small film cameras

place to place with small film cameras

place to place with small film cameras that are quiet and discreet I travel

that are quiet and discreet I travel

that are quiet and discreet I travel everywhere with a guide as he’s called

everywhere with a guide as he’s called

everywhere with a guide as he’s called in my case the guide is mr. Kim and he

in my case the guide is mr. Kim and he

in my case the guide is mr. Kim and he works for AP when I’m not there he’s our

works for AP when I’m not there he’s our

works for AP when I’m not there he’s our photographer and he transmitted pictures

photographer and he transmitted pictures

photographer and he transmitted pictures to me um by email and when I’m there I

to me um by email and when I’m there I

to me um by email and when I’m there I he goes everywhere with me

he goes everywhere with me

he goes everywhere with me he’s my fixer he’s my translator and

he’s my fixer he’s my translator and

he’s my fixer he’s my translator and he’s my minder or even my babysitter my

he’s my minder or even my babysitter my

he’s my minder or even my babysitter my first contact I guess

first contact I guess

first contact I guess with the Koreas was in 2000 when I first

with the Koreas was in 2000 when I first

with the Koreas was in 2000 when I first moved to Asia they held family reunions

moved to Asia they held family reunions

moved to Asia they held family reunions for family members who had been divided

for family members who had been divided

for family members who had been divided since the war half a century and I saw

since the war half a century and I saw

since the war half a century and I saw these very moving moments um siblings

these very moving moments um siblings

these very moving moments um siblings seeing each other again for the first

seeing each other again for the first

seeing each other again for the first time and this mother who’s touching the

time and this mother who’s touching the

time and this mother who’s touching the face of her son she hadn’t seen him for

face of her son she hadn’t seen him for

face of her son she hadn’t seen him for 50 years it was also the first time I

50 years it was also the first time I

50 years it was also the first time I entered North Korea in 2000 I went with

entered North Korea in 2000 I went with

entered North Korea in 2000 I went with then Secretary of State Madeleine

then Secretary of State Madeleine

then Secretary of State Madeleine Albright when she met with in Korean

Albright when she met with in Korean

Albright when she met with in Korean leader Kim jong-il it was my first

leader Kim jong-il it was my first

leader Kim jong-il it was my first glimpse of how surreal and how

glimpse of how surreal and how

glimpse of how surreal and how fascinating

fascinating

fascinating the country is it was also my first

the country is it was also my first

the country is it was also my first glimpse or understanding of the kind of

glimpse or understanding of the kind of

glimpse or understanding of the kind of impact that I could have and the history

impact that I could have and the history

impact that I could have and the history that I could witness if I continued to

that I could witness if I continued to

that I could witness if I continued to go to Korea it was very different than

go to Korea it was very different than

go to Korea it was very different than when we first arrived they pulled the

when we first arrived they pulled the

when we first arrived they pulled the drapes on our bus no pictures allowed

drapes on our bus no pictures allowed

drapes on our bus no pictures allowed there was black plastic on the windows

there was black plastic on the windows

there was black plastic on the windows of my hotel I had the feeling that there

of my hotel I had the feeling that there

of my hotel I had the feeling that there was nothing real there that it was all

was nothing real there that it was all

was nothing real there that it was all like The Truman Show

like The Truman Show

like The Truman Show it was all a facade but fast forward

it was all a facade but fast forward

it was all a facade but fast forward 2013 in February they allowed us to

2013 in February they allowed us to

2013 in February they allowed us to bring mobile phones in the country for

bring mobile phones in the country for

bring mobile phones in the country for the first time and I started theirs

the first time and I started theirs

the first time and I started theirs Dennis Rodman self I started making

Dennis Rodman self I started making

Dennis Rodman self I started making pictures with my phone on the streets

pictures with my phone on the streets

pictures with my phone on the streets transmitting into ap posting them to

transmitting into ap posting them to

transmitting into ap posting them to Instagram an immediate connection from

Instagram an immediate connection from

Instagram an immediate connection from the streets of Pyongyang to people

the streets of Pyongyang to people

the streets of Pyongyang to people around the world and if you’re playing

around the world and if you’re playing

around the world and if you’re playing along at home it’s @d guten folder or at

along at home it’s @d guten folder or at

along at home it’s @d guten folder or at NatGeo

NatGeo

NatGeo on instagram so that sort of takes us

on instagram so that sort of takes us

on instagram so that sort of takes us back to the power of photography and

back to the power of photography and

back to the power of photography and what it is in North Korea and the power

what it is in North Korea and the power

what it is in North Korea and the power of photography has been for half a

of photography has been for half a

of photography has been for half a century in the hands of the state of

century in the hands of the state of

century in the hands of the state of Korea and now we have a chance to see

Korea and now we have a chance to see

Korea and now we have a chance to see some

some

some for ourselves I have long term goals

for ourselves I have long term goals

for ourselves I have long term goals this is a long-term ambitious project

this is a long-term ambitious project

this is a long-term ambitious project but for now is very very humble thing

but for now is very very humble thing

but for now is very very humble thing I’m just trying to open a window onto a

I’m just trying to open a window onto a

I’m just trying to open a window onto a place that previously people know

place that previously people know

place that previously people know absolutely nothing about so that we can

absolutely nothing about so that we can

absolutely nothing about so that we can begin to understand that there are real

begin to understand that there are real

begin to understand that there are real lives there these are people coming to

lives there these are people coming to

lives there these are people coming to visit their family members in a hospital

visit their family members in a hospital

visit their family members in a hospital that had no heat and they’re bringing

that had no heat and they’re bringing

that had no heat and they’re bringing them blankets and food

them blankets and food

them blankets and food Photography is a very powerful tool

Photography is a very powerful tool

Photography is a very powerful tool despite the restrictions there there’s

despite the restrictions there there’s

despite the restrictions there there’s multiple interpretations of every

multiple interpretations of every

multiple interpretations of every picture you know for one man this is a

picture you know for one man this is a

picture you know for one man this is a very high-tech agricultural simulator

very high-tech agricultural simulator

very high-tech agricultural simulator and to another man

and to another man

and to another man it is a dose driven practice tractor

photography carries a point of view and

photography carries a point of view and a mood and a sense of the place that I

a mood and a sense of the place that I

a mood and a sense of the place that I don’t think you can say in any other way

don’t think you can say in any other way

don’t think you can say in any other way and any other language without your

and any other language without your

and any other language without your camera and you can’t really turn away I

camera and you can’t really turn away I

camera and you can’t really turn away I have hard discussions with the North

have hard discussions with the North

have hard discussions with the North Koreans when I’m there about how they

Koreans when I’m there about how they

Koreans when I’m there about how they feel I should represent their country

feel I should represent their country

feel I should represent their country and how I feel

and how I feel

and how I feel country should be represented and it

country should be represented and it

country should be represented and it comes down to something very simple I

comes down to something very simple I

comes down to something very simple I can say this is it this is your country

can say this is it this is your country

can say this is it this is your country this is what I saw and I can begin to go

this is what I saw and I can begin to go

this is what I saw and I can begin to go help people go through the same process

help people go through the same process

help people go through the same process that I went through which is the first

that I went through which is the first

that I went through which is the first time I went I thought it was the Truman

time I went I thought it was the Truman

time I went I thought it was the Truman Show and I began over time through my

Show and I began over time through my

Show and I began over time through my camera to understand that there’s real

camera to understand that there’s real

camera to understand that there’s real life there and I want people to see my

life there and I want people to see my

life there and I want people to see my pictures to have that same understanding

pictures to have that same understanding

pictures to have that same understanding that there’s real life but there’s

that there’s real life but there’s

that there’s real life but there’s something worth discovering there

something worth discovering there

something worth discovering there there’s something worth trying to

there’s something worth trying to

there’s something worth trying to understand in North Korea thank you

understand in North Korea thank you

understand in North Korea thank you [Applause]

[Applause]

[Applause] [Music]

[Music]

[Music] you

”

Be First to Comment

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *