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geladas aren’t afraid of all predators

geladas aren’t afraid of all predators you’re looking at the Ethiopian wolf

you’re looking at the Ethiopian wolf

you’re looking at the Ethiopian wolf this occurs in the glossa

this occurs in the glossa

this occurs in the glossa and it’s the rarest the rarest tainted

and it’s the rarest the rarest tainted

and it’s the rarest the rarest tainted in the world there’s only about 400

in the world there’s only about 400

in the world there’s only about 400 remaining in Ethiopia and 40 of them are

remaining in Ethiopia and 40 of them are

remaining in Ethiopia and 40 of them are at Gua so their social but during the

at Gua so their social but during the

at Gua so their social but during the day you see them mostly alone out

day you see them mostly alone out

day you see them mostly alone out hunting for rodents back in 2008 Jeff

hunting for rodents back in 2008 Jeff

hunting for rodents back in 2008 Jeff and I would often see seems like this

and I would often see seems like this

and I would often see seems like this Ethiopian wolves stocking for rodents in

Ethiopian wolves stocking for rodents in

Ethiopian wolves stocking for rodents in the middle of herds of geladas we didn’t

the middle of herds of geladas we didn’t

the middle of herds of geladas we didn’t really think much about it at the time

really think much about it at the time

really think much about it at the time because we saw it so often we didn’t

because we saw it so often we didn’t

because we saw it so often we didn’t have very good cameras back then either

have very good cameras back then either

have very good cameras back then either clearly years later after reading some

clearly years later after reading some

clearly years later after reading some literature we realized that this was a

literature we realized that this was a

literature we realized that this was a really weird thing to observe to observe

really weird thing to observe to observe

really weird thing to observe to observe this carnivore in the middle of a herd

this carnivore in the middle of a herd

this carnivore in the middle of a herd of monkeys and they’re basically just

of monkeys and they’re basically just

of monkeys and they’re basically just ignoring each other you know why isn’t

ignoring each other you know why isn’t

ignoring each other you know why isn’t the wolf going and grabbing a baby

the wolf going and grabbing a baby

the wolf going and grabbing a baby gelada as a snack why isn’t it getting

gelada as a snack why isn’t it getting

gelada as a snack why isn’t it getting chased off by these monkeys so it seemed

chased off by these monkeys so it seemed

chased off by these monkeys so it seemed like a phenomenon worthy of more study

like a phenomenon worthy of more study

like a phenomenon worthy of more study so I wrote a grant to National

so I wrote a grant to National

so I wrote a grant to National Geographic a young explorers grant and

Geographic a young explorers grant and

Geographic a young explorers grant and in 2011 we had a reason and some money

in 2011 we had a reason and some money

in 2011 we had a reason and some money to go back to Gaza so Jeff and I teamed

to go back to Gaza so Jeff and I teamed

to go back to Gaza so Jeff and I teamed up again on this trip we followed wolves

up again on this trip we followed wolves

up again on this trip we followed wolves around all day walking dozens of

around all day walking dozens of

around all day walking dozens of kilometers a day and we watched the

kilometers a day and we watched the

kilometers a day and we watched the behavior of these wolves when they were

behavior of these wolves when they were

behavior of these wolves when they were with geladas and when they were alone so

with geladas and when they were alone so

with geladas and when they were alone so we can make a comparison what we found

we can make a comparison what we found

we can make a comparison what we found is that these wolves gain an important

is that these wolves gain an important

is that these wolves gain an important benefit by the presence of the monkeys

benefit by the presence of the monkeys

benefit by the presence of the monkeys so they spend more of their effort

so they spend more of their effort

so they spend more of their effort foraging when they’re near monkeys and

foraging when they’re near monkeys and

foraging when they’re near monkeys and they also catch more rodents per unit

they also catch more rodents per unit

they also catch more rodents per unit time but they can’t do anything when

time but they can’t do anything when

time but they can’t do anything when they’re among the monkeys they have to

they’re among the monkeys they have to

they’re among the monkeys they have to adhere to certain rules of engagement so

adhere to certain rules of engagement so

adhere to certain rules of engagement so they can’t move too fast they’re not

they can’t move too fast they’re not

they can’t move too fast they’re not allowed to run and if they get within

allowed to run and if they get within

allowed to run and if they get within two or three meters of a monkey they get

two or three meters of a monkey they get

two or three meters of a monkey they get chased off as far as we can tell the

chased off as far as we can tell the

chased off as far as we can tell the monkeys don’t get anything really

monkeys don’t get anything really

monkeys don’t get anything really positive or negative out of this but

positive or negative out of this but

positive or negative out of this but this is a very rare kind of mixed

this is a very rare kind of mixed

this is a very rare kind of mixed species in our

species in our

species in our to have a predator stalking among a

to have a predator stalking among a

to have a predator stalking among a potential prey species peacefully

potential prey species peacefully

potential prey species peacefully ignoring each other so we wrote up a

ignoring each other so we wrote up a

ignoring each other so we wrote up a scientific paper about this submitted it

scientific paper about this submitted it

scientific paper about this submitted it it was published in a journal of

it was published in a journal of

it was published in a journal of homology and when the paper came out we

homology and when the paper came out we

homology and when the paper came out we also got some press that really

also got some press that really

also got some press that really surprised this our monkeys domesticating

surprised this our monkeys domesticating

surprised this our monkeys domesticating wolves now this was really surprising

wolves now this was really surprising

wolves now this was really surprising because we hadn’t mentioned the D word

because we hadn’t mentioned the D word

because we hadn’t mentioned the D word anywhere and I can tell you for a fact

anywhere and I can tell you for a fact

anywhere and I can tell you for a fact that this is not occurring there we go

that this is not occurring there we go

that this is not occurring there we go so as far as we know this kind of

so as far as we know this kind of

so as far as we know this kind of interaction is actually unique to the

interaction is actually unique to the

interaction is actually unique to the gua so it only happens at the glossa

gua so it only happens at the glossa

gua so it only happens at the glossa this is because of the fragmented

this is because of the fragmented

this is because of the fragmented species ranges of Ethiopian wolves and

species ranges of Ethiopian wolves and

species ranges of Ethiopian wolves and geladas but we can suppose that in the

geladas but we can suppose that in the

geladas but we can suppose that in the past maybe this interaction was more

past maybe this interaction was more

past maybe this interaction was more widespread and some supporting evidence

widespread and some supporting evidence

widespread and some supporting evidence for this comes from a mosaic it’s 2,000

for this comes from a mosaic it’s 2,000

for this comes from a mosaic it’s 2,000 years old that you actually saw earlier

years old that you actually saw earlier

years old that you actually saw earlier this mosaic depicts the Nile and toward

this mosaic depicts the Nile and toward

this mosaic depicts the Nile and toward the top we have the origin of the Nile

the top we have the origin of the Nile

the top we have the origin of the Nile in the Ethiopian highlands I’ll direct

in the Ethiopian highlands I’ll direct

in the Ethiopian highlands I’ll direct your attention to two sets of archers on

your attention to two sets of archers on

your attention to two sets of archers on the left and then near the rocky

the left and then near the rocky

the left and then near the rocky outcropping in the middle there so we

outcropping in the middle there so we

outcropping in the middle there so we see on the left the stingy ax the Sphinx

see on the left the stingy ax the Sphinx

see on the left the stingy ax the Sphinx monkey of earlier and on the right the

monkey of earlier and on the right the

monkey of earlier and on the right the Ethiopian wolf so I think it’s striking

Ethiopian wolf so I think it’s striking

Ethiopian wolf so I think it’s striking that two thousand years ago artists were

that two thousand years ago artists were

that two thousand years ago artists were portraying these species in the same

portraying these species in the same

portraying these species in the same frame just like in Jeff’s photographs

frame just like in Jeff’s photographs

frame just like in Jeff’s photographs this highlights to me what’s really

this highlights to me what’s really

this highlights to me what’s really special about the Glossip it preserves

special about the Glossip it preserves

special about the Glossip it preserves not only species diversity and genetic

not only species diversity and genetic

not only species diversity and genetic diversity but a different kind of

diversity but a different kind of

diversity but a different kind of diversity which is behavioral diversity

diversity which is behavioral diversity

diversity which is behavioral diversity this is what allows animals to adapt to

this is what allows animals to adapt to

this is what allows animals to adapt to changing conditions and that’s really

changing conditions and that’s really

changing conditions and that’s really important going into the 21st century

important going into the 21st century

important going into the 21st century I was always frustrated coming back from

I was always frustrated coming back from

I was always frustrated coming back from some of these trips trying to talk about

some of these trips trying to talk about

some of these trips trying to talk about concepts like behavioural diversity or

concepts like behavioural diversity or

concepts like behavioural diversity or just describing the scenes that I saw

just describing the scenes that I saw

just describing the scenes that I saw and I dealt with this by turning towards

and I dealt with this by turning towards

and I dealt with this by turning towards photography since 2008 in our crappy

photography since 2008 in our crappy

photography since 2008 in our crappy camera technology we got some newer

camera technology we got some newer

camera technology we got some newer cameras

cameras

cameras a lot of time in the field and I found

a lot of time in the field and I found

a lot of time in the field and I found this is a nice way to intersect my

this is a nice way to intersect my

this is a nice way to intersect my scientific work with communicating this

scientific work with communicating this

scientific work with communicating this work to other people and it’s been a

work to other people and it’s been a

work to other people and it’s been a very fruitful kind of collaboration

very fruitful kind of collaboration

very fruitful kind of collaboration between these two ideas it’s a great way

between these two ideas it’s a great way

between these two ideas it’s a great way to improve the messaging of science but

to improve the messaging of science but

to improve the messaging of science but many of the photos you’ve seen today are

many of the photos you’ve seen today are

many of the photos you’ve seen today are end-products they don’t start out like

end-products they don’t start out like

end-products they don’t start out like this a photo for me often starts off as

this a photo for me often starts off as

this a photo for me often starts off as an idea I see something and like I want

an idea I see something and like I want

an idea I see something and like I want to capture the essence of that and we

to capture the essence of that and we

to capture the essence of that and we can just kind of explore this in a very

can just kind of explore this in a very

can just kind of explore this in a very simple example

simple example

simple example I like watching geladas jump across

I like watching geladas jump across

I like watching geladas jump across streams to me it’s interesting it’s a

streams to me it’s interesting it’s a

streams to me it’s interesting it’s a cool like dynamic behavior and I wanted

cool like dynamic behavior and I wanted

cool like dynamic behavior and I wanted to take a picture of it that just

to take a picture of it that just

to take a picture of it that just captured the way I felt and you know I

captured the way I felt and you know I

captured the way I felt and you know I tried and tried and tried and some of

tried and tried and tried and some of

tried and tried and tried and some of these are interesting pictures perhaps

these are interesting pictures perhaps

these are interesting pictures perhaps but they didn’t quite connect and I ran

but they didn’t quite connect and I ran

but they didn’t quite connect and I ran through trying an infrared camera you’re

through trying an infrared camera you’re

through trying an infrared camera you’re long exposures you know cutting geladas

long exposures you know cutting geladas

long exposures you know cutting geladas heads off but when it comes to this to

heads off but when it comes to this to

heads off but when it comes to this to get a nice picture it requires

get a nice picture it requires

get a nice picture it requires persistence and for all of these is just

persistence and for all of these is just

persistence and for all of these is just trial and trial and trial and mostly

trial and trial and trial and mostly

trial and trial and trial and mostly failure eventually I end up with a

failure eventually I end up with a

failure eventually I end up with a picture like this which is not a perfect

picture like this which is not a perfect

picture like this which is not a perfect picture by any means but it’s much

picture by any means but it’s much

picture by any means but it’s much closer to the feeling that I wanted to

closer to the feeling that I wanted to

closer to the feeling that I wanted to capture with the monkey jumping across

capture with the monkey jumping across

capture with the monkey jumping across the stream so I’ve learned an immense

the stream so I’ve learned an immense

the stream so I’ve learned an immense amount about photography by partnering

amount about photography by partnering

amount about photography by partnering with other photographers I remember I

with other photographers I remember I

with other photographers I remember I first came back from the monkey wolf

first came back from the monkey wolf

first came back from the monkey wolf project the VOC and I were doing solely

project the VOC and I were doing solely

project the VOC and I were doing solely as researchers and had the huge

as researchers and had the huge

as researchers and had the huge collection of photographs and I was

collection of photographs and I was

collection of photographs and I was showing them to a couple of people and I

showing them to a couple of people and I

showing them to a couple of people and I met this guy Trevor frost and he took a

met this guy Trevor frost and he took a

met this guy Trevor frost and he took a look at the pictures like oh that seems

look at the pictures like oh that seems

look at the pictures like oh that seems like a pretty interesting place um have

like a pretty interesting place um have

like a pretty interesting place um have you thought about trying to do a photo

you thought about trying to do a photo

you thought about trying to do a photo essay event to kind of describe the

essay event to kind of describe the

essay event to kind of describe the place in more detail like I have

place in more detail like I have

place in more detail like I have thousands of pictures like it’s already

thousands of pictures like it’s already

thousands of pictures like it’s already a photo essay just pick a couple is like

a photo essay just pick a couple is like

a photo essay just pick a couple is like I don’t think you understand how this

I don’t think you understand how this

I don’t think you understand how this works why don’t we write a grant we

works why don’t we write a grant we

works why don’t we write a grant we could go back together and try to mail

could go back together and try to mail

could go back together and try to mail tell this story professionally it’s like

tell this story professionally it’s like

tell this story professionally it’s like wait they give you grants for

wait they give you grants for

wait they give you grants for photography I had this very biologist

photography I had this very biologist

photography I had this very biologist centric view of the world and so this

centric view of the world and so this

centric view of the world and so this was illuminating for me so Trevor and I

was illuminating for me so Trevor and I

was illuminating for me so Trevor and I wrote a grant and we were funded by

wrote a grant and we were funded by

wrote a grant and we were funded by National Geographic to go try to capture

National Geographic to go try to capture

National Geographic to go try to capture this environment so with the vet Korea

this environment so with the vet Korea

this environment so with the vet Korea headed back to the field and Trevor

headed back to the field and Trevor

headed back to the field and Trevor started teaching me some new techniques

started teaching me some new techniques

started teaching me some new techniques like this camera trap setup where you

like this camera trap setup where you

like this camera trap setup where you have a DSLR one of these big fancy

have a DSLR one of these big fancy

have a DSLR one of these big fancy cameras with an infrared beam and if the

cameras with an infrared beam and if the

cameras with an infrared beam and if the practice walking through triggering the

practice walking through triggering the

practice walking through triggering the infrared beam to get it just right so

infrared beam to get it just right so

infrared beam to get it just right so you can get a spectacular photo I

you can get a spectacular photo I

you can get a spectacular photo I struggled at first initially um even

struggled at first initially um even

struggled at first initially um even with opening the camera trap box I think

with opening the camera trap box I think

with opening the camera trap box I think I stabbed my hand with my Leatherman

I stabbed my hand with my Leatherman

I stabbed my hand with my Leatherman pretty good I was worried that was gonna

pretty good I was worried that was gonna

pretty good I was worried that was gonna get infected but it wasn’t so bad and

get infected but it wasn’t so bad and

get infected but it wasn’t so bad and you know after just setting it up and

you know after just setting it up and

you know after just setting it up and waiting and tweaking and tweaking

waiting and tweaking and tweaking

waiting and tweaking and tweaking eventually we ended up with a photo like

eventually we ended up with a photo like

eventually we ended up with a photo like this which was our tip staff bringing

this which was our tip staff bringing

this which was our tip staff bringing their kids to work and they knew that we

their kids to work and they knew that we

their kids to work and they knew that we set up an automatic camera machine and

set up an automatic camera machine and

set up an automatic camera machine and they’re like oh we can trigger this

they’re like oh we can trigger this

they’re like oh we can trigger this camera anytime we want this is great so

camera anytime we want this is great so

camera anytime we want this is great so they have their kids walk through it all

they have their kids walk through it all

they have their kids walk through it all the time and then they would borrow

the time and then they would borrow

the time and then they would borrow ak-47s from their neighbors and they’ll

ak-47s from their neighbors and they’ll

ak-47s from their neighbors and they’ll pull that out so we’ll have a couple of

pull that out so we’ll have a couple of

pull that out so we’ll have a couple of printouts for those guys when we head

printouts for those guys when we head

printouts for those guys when we head back

back

back but the real intention of this is to get

but the real intention of this is to get

but the real intention of this is to get up close and personal with wildlife that

up close and personal with wildlife that

up close and personal with wildlife that you couldn’t otherwise to give you a

you couldn’t otherwise to give you a

you couldn’t otherwise to give you a sense of their space in their

sense of their space in their

sense of their space in their environment and this is the type of

environment and this is the type of

environment and this is the type of picture that we were looking for an

picture that we were looking for an

picture that we were looking for an Ethiopian wolf the rarest came in on the

Ethiopian wolf the rarest came in on the

Ethiopian wolf the rarest came in on the planet in the glossa

planet in the glossa

planet in the glossa so one day I had a happy intersection of

so one day I had a happy intersection of

so one day I had a happy intersection of science and photography I was following

science and photography I was following

science and photography I was following a wolf around trying to see if it would

a wolf around trying to see if it would

a wolf around trying to see if it would have one of these monkey wolf

have one of these monkey wolf

have one of these monkey wolf interactions to try to get a picture of

interactions to try to get a picture of

interactions to try to get a picture of it when I saw a female walk off from the

it when I saw a female walk off from the

it when I saw a female walk off from the gelada herd and this is bizarre behavior

gelada herd and this is bizarre behavior

gelada herd and this is bizarre behavior sets off all sorts of alarm bells in my

sets off all sorts of alarm bells in my

sets off all sorts of alarm bells in my biologist brain being like something’s

biologist brain being like something’s

biologist brain being like something’s happening what’s going on

happening what’s going on

happening what’s going on all right bailing on wolf I went over

all right bailing on wolf I went over

all right bailing on wolf I went over and I watched her she started arching

and I watched her she started arching

and I watched her she started arching her back and lying down and standing up

her back and lying down and standing up

her back and lying down and standing up and I realized oh my god this monkey is

and I realized oh my god this monkey is

and I realized oh my god this monkey is about to give birth so I gave her her

about to give birth so I gave her her

about to give birth so I gave her her space with my telephoto lens I stepped

space with my telephoto lens I stepped

space with my telephoto lens I stepped back in my shaking hands captured this

back in my shaking hands captured this

back in my shaking hands captured this image sequence

so it’s incredibly rare to see a primate

so it’s incredibly rare to see a primate give birth in the wild I was very

give birth in the wild I was very

give birth in the wild I was very excited about these images for aesthetic

excited about these images for aesthetic

excited about these images for aesthetic purposes I thought it really spoke

purposes I thought it really spoke

purposes I thought it really spoke visually to a process that most people

visually to a process that most people

visually to a process that most people don’t get to see but I also sensed that

don’t get to see but I also sensed that

don’t get to see but I also sensed that there was great scientific value in

there was great scientific value in

there was great scientific value in these images having talked to other

these images having talked to other

these images having talked to other researchers that have worked at this

researchers that have worked at this

researchers that have worked at this site before so it’s kind of equally

site before so it’s kind of equally

site before so it’s kind of equally excited about what this means to kind of

excited about what this means to kind of

excited about what this means to kind of our broader understanding over the past

our broader understanding over the past

our broader understanding over the past 10 years scientists egg Wassa have

10 years scientists egg Wassa have

10 years scientists egg Wassa have witnessed 15 live births which is the

witnessed 15 live births which is the

witnessed 15 live births which is the largest or one of the largest catalogues

largest or one of the largest catalogues

largest or one of the largest catalogues of live births in wild primates from

of live births in wild primates from

of live births in wild primates from anywhere on the planet

anywhere on the planet

anywhere on the planet we recent recently wrote up a paper kind

we recent recently wrote up a paper kind

we recent recently wrote up a paper kind of describing this process and it’s now

of describing this process and it’s now

of describing this process and it’s now part of the scientific literature

part of the scientific literature

part of the scientific literature looking at comparative process of birth

looking at comparative process of birth

looking at comparative process of birth processes in primates the deck and I are

processes in primates the deck and I are

processes in primates the deck and I are always trying to think of ways to

always trying to think of ways to

always trying to think of ways to combine our photography with science

combine our photography with science

combine our photography with science here’s another National Geographic

here’s another National Geographic

here’s another National Geographic funded project that we we came up with

funded project that we we came up with

funded project that we we came up with it’s a 3d imaging system that allows you

it’s a 3d imaging system that allows you

it’s a 3d imaging system that allows you to capture the dimensions of wild living

to capture the dimensions of wild living

to capture the dimensions of wild living primates without having to resort to any

primates without having to resort to any

primates without having to resort to any invasive procedures basically you can

invasive procedures basically you can

invasive procedures basically you can reconstruct a 3d version of what you’re

reconstruct a 3d version of what you’re

reconstruct a 3d version of what you’re looking at by taking multiple pictures

looking at by taking multiple pictures

looking at by taking multiple pictures of the same thing from different angles

of the same thing from different angles

of the same thing from different angles at the same time this is one of our

at the same time this is one of our

at the same time this is one of our earlier versions we have a more complex

earlier versions we have a more complex

earlier versions we have a more complex one built now and this is an active

one built now and this is an active

one built now and this is an active project that we’re still working on at

project that we’re still working on at

project that we’re still working on at the moment but we have some promising

the moment but we have some promising

the moment but we have some promising preliminary results and we’re looking

preliminary results and we’re looking

preliminary results and we’re looking forward to taking these kind of remote

forward to taking these kind of remote

forward to taking these kind of remote measurements of morphology and combining

measurements of morphology and combining

measurements of morphology and combining them with the long term behavioral data

them with the long term behavioral data

them with the long term behavioral data set that we have at glossa it’s a really

set that we have at glossa it’s a really

set that we have at glossa it’s a really exciting intersection of photography and

exciting intersection of photography and

exciting intersection of photography and science but this brings us towards the

science but this brings us towards the

science but this brings us towards the end of our day on the high plateau the

end of our day on the high plateau the

end of our day on the high plateau the Sun is starting to set in the West and

Sun is starting to set in the West and

Sun is starting to set in the West and casts the huge shadow onto the rift

casts the huge shadow onto the rift

casts the huge shadow onto the rift valley below and the farms that are down

valley below and the farms that are down

valley below and the farms that are down there will walk with the go with the

there will walk with the go with the

there will walk with the go with the geladas back towards their sleeping

geladas back towards their sleeping

geladas back towards their sleeping cliffs and we’ll leave them there it’s a

cliffs and we’ll leave them there it’s a

cliffs and we’ll leave them there it’s a routine that we do every day

routine that we do every day

routine that we do every day we’ll pick them up again in the morning

we’ll pick them up again in the morning

we’ll pick them up again in the morning and they don’t seem to really care

and they don’t seem to really care

and they don’t seem to really care whether we’re with them or not they just

whether we’re with them or not they just

whether we’re with them or not they just go about their typical business and you

go about their typical business and you

go about their typical business and you know we can hear this happening even

know we can hear this happening even

know we can hear this happening even long after we’ve walked away hundreds of

long after we’ve walked away hundreds of

long after we’ve walked away hundreds of meters back towards our camp you can

meters back towards our camp you can

meters back towards our camp you can still hear them going about their

still hear them going about their

still hear them going about their transition from day in tonight so

transition from day in tonight so

transition from day in tonight so [Music]

tonight we’ve walked you through a day

tonight we’ve walked you through a day in the life of gelato and the people who

in the life of gelato and the people who

in the life of gelato and the people who study them we’ve shown you some science

study them we’ve shown you some science

study them we’ve shown you some science and some intimate portraits of behaviors

and some intimate portraits of behaviors

and some intimate portraits of behaviors that seem to appear nowhere else on

that seem to appear nowhere else on

that seem to appear nowhere else on earth over the past few years I’ve grown

earth over the past few years I’ve grown

earth over the past few years I’ve grown very appreciative of integrating science

very appreciative of integrating science

very appreciative of integrating science and photography together to not only

and photography together to not only

and photography together to not only discover something but then tell a story

discover something but then tell a story

discover something but then tell a story about it whether it’s through data and

about it whether it’s through data and

about it whether it’s through data and statistics or through pictures Jeff and

statistics or through pictures Jeff and

statistics or through pictures Jeff and I always love returning to the glossa

I always love returning to the glossa

I always love returning to the glossa because in a lot of ways everything is

because in a lot of ways everything is

because in a lot of ways everything is kind of the same we see some of the same

kind of the same we see some of the same

kind of the same we see some of the same individuals the routine is more or less

individuals the routine is more or less

individuals the routine is more or less the same year to year but the guava is

the same year to year but the guava is

the same year to year but the guava is also changing and it’s changing rapidly

also changing and it’s changing rapidly

also changing and it’s changing rapidly today there’s power lines and roads that

today there’s power lines and roads that

today there’s power lines and roads that go through part of it connecting the

go through part of it connecting the

go through part of it connecting the people living near the glossa with the

people living near the glossa with the

people living near the glossa with the outside world and it’s not only the

outside world and it’s not only the

outside world and it’s not only the landscapes is changing but also the

landscapes is changing but also the

landscapes is changing but also the perceptions of the local community

perceptions of the local community

perceptions of the local community members picked also here he’s worked for

members picked also here he’s worked for

members picked also here he’s worked for our staff for seven or eight years now

our staff for seven or eight years now

our staff for seven or eight years now and the truth is when he was a young kid

and the truth is when he was a young kid

and the truth is when he was a young kid he hated geladas they raided his crops

he hated geladas they raided his crops

he hated geladas they raided his crops and he would run after them with stones

and he would run after them with stones

and he would run after them with stones and try to hit them but over the years

and try to hit them but over the years

and try to hit them but over the years his perspective has changed he spent a

his perspective has changed he spent a

his perspective has changed he spent a lot of hours with the monkeys and he’s

lot of hours with the monkeys and he’s

lot of hours with the monkeys and he’s watched their individual personalities

watched their individual personalities

watched their individual personalities develop and these bonds between mothers

develop and these bonds between mothers

develop and these bonds between mothers and infants

and infants

and infants develop as well and he even tells us

develop as well and he even tells us

develop as well and he even tells us that now when I see monkeys I see you

that now when I see monkeys I see you

that now when I see monkeys I see you know what makes us human basically we’ve

know what makes us human basically we’ve

know what makes us human basically we’ve also talked about the factors that

also talked about the factors that

also talked about the factors that affect species and their ability to

affect species and their ability to

affect species and their ability to persist in the 21st century geography

persist in the 21st century geography

persist in the 21st century geography climate and the local community of

climate and the local community of

climate and the local community of plants and animals and to that we can

plants and animals and to that we can

plants and animals and to that we can add another element which is a human

add another element which is a human

add another element which is a human community the Casa has persisted for 400

community the Casa has persisted for 400

community the Casa has persisted for 400 years across revolutions and famines all

years across revolutions and famines all

years across revolutions and famines all because of local engagement of the

because of local engagement of the

because of local engagement of the people with their land and of course

people with their land and of course

people with their land and of course today we’re facing a major conservation

today we’re facing a major conservation

today we’re facing a major conservation crisis humans are shaping the natural

crisis humans are shaping the natural

crisis humans are shaping the natural world like never before and a lot of

world like never before and a lot of

world like never before and a lot of these problems have global solutions

these problems have global solutions

these problems have global solutions like climate change but for others

like climate change but for others

like climate change but for others perhaps the glossa provides a lesson

perhaps the glossa provides a lesson

perhaps the glossa provides a lesson I think the Casa shows us that going

I think the Casa shows us that going

I think the Casa shows us that going into the 21st century local small-scale

into the 21st century local small-scale

into the 21st century local small-scale conservation has a major role to play

conservation has a major role to play

conservation has a major role to play thank you

thank you

thank you [Applause]

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