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thank you all for coming this evening so

thank you all for coming this evening so I’m going to talk to you a little bit

I’m going to talk to you a little bit

I’m going to talk to you a little bit about photographing darkness when when I

about photographing darkness when when I

about photographing darkness when when I originally got into caves and caving and

originally got into caves and caving and

originally got into caves and caving and then a couple of projects and then

then a couple of projects and then

then a couple of projects and then finally my most recent assignment

finally my most recent assignment

finally my most recent assignment earlier on this year so caves and Kaiser

earlier on this year so caves and Kaiser

earlier on this year so caves and Kaiser are first homes they offered us a canvas

are first homes they offered us a canvas

are first homes they offered us a canvas to create our first artwork about 40,000

to create our first artwork about 40,000

to create our first artwork about 40,000 years ago and he also offered as a safe

years ago and he also offered as a safe

years ago and he also offered as a safe place during the last ice age

scientists believe that if there is life

scientists believe that if there is life on Mars it’s probably underground

on Mars it’s probably underground

on Mars it’s probably underground sheltering away from the harsh

sheltering away from the harsh

sheltering away from the harsh atmosphere outside in essence in caves

atmosphere outside in essence in caves

atmosphere outside in essence in caves but we’ve basically evolved from caves

but we’ve basically evolved from caves

but we’ve basically evolved from caves but I feel like we’ve lost that

but I feel like we’ve lost that

but I feel like we’ve lost that connection and I want to bring that back

connection and I want to bring that back

connection and I want to bring that back and that’s why I use social media to do

and that’s why I use social media to do

and that’s why I use social media to do this it’s a great tool to bring this

this it’s a great tool to bring this

this it’s a great tool to bring this back now whenever I speak to an on caver

back now whenever I speak to an on caver

back now whenever I speak to an on caver about caves the reaction is always the

about caves the reaction is always the

about caves the reaction is always the same I couldn’t do that I’m

same I couldn’t do that I’m

same I couldn’t do that I’m claustrophobic and I get you know in

claustrophobic and I get you know in

claustrophobic and I get you know in lifts and I don’t like tight spaces

lifts and I don’t like tight spaces

lifts and I don’t like tight spaces is it not muddy dirty dark have any

is it not muddy dirty dark have any

is it not muddy dirty dark have any monsters down there does this look small

monsters down there does this look small

monsters down there does this look small can you see the four people in the

can you see the four people in the

can you see the four people in the picture does this look dark or dirty

okay there are some monsters but they’re

okay there are some monsters but they’re not that dangerous and they’re doing

not that dangerous and they’re doing

not that dangerous and they’re doing small you got a trap spider silk worm

small you got a trap spider silk worm

small you got a trap spider silk worm blind fish but they can be fascinating

blind fish but they can be fascinating

blind fish but they can be fascinating too because they’ve evolved to live in

too because they’ve evolved to live in

too because they’ve evolved to live in total darkness where there’s no light

it’s not always plain sailing it can be

it’s not always plain sailing it can be tide and it can also be dirty as well

tide and it can also be dirty as well

tide and it can also be dirty as well these guys are digging out rocks and

these guys are digging out rocks and

these guys are digging out rocks and boulders that are blocking a passage and

boulders that are blocking a passage and

boulders that are blocking a passage and they’re trying to find somewhere new

they’re trying to find somewhere new

they’re trying to find somewhere new where nobody’s been before it can also

where nobody’s been before it can also

where nobody’s been before it can also be dangerous you imagine being in this

be dangerous you imagine being in this

be dangerous you imagine being in this case passage where the water suddenly

case passage where the water suddenly

case passage where the water suddenly rises and you’re going to be trapped but

rises and you’re going to be trapped but

rises and you’re going to be trapped but it could also be spectacular

it could also be spectacular

it could also be spectacular can you see the two people here that

can you see the two people here that

can you see the two people here that person there in the distance is about

person there in the distance is about

person there in the distance is about 300 foot from the ceiling and 300 foot

300 foot from the ceiling and 300 foot

300 foot from the ceiling and 300 foot above the floor now in my work as a

above the floor now in my work as a

above the floor now in my work as a photographer I’m trying to break down

photographer I’m trying to break down

photographer I’m trying to break down the borders between reality and

the borders between reality and

the borders between reality and perception what is real and I mean real

perception what is real and I mean real

perception what is real and I mean real exploration when no human being has ever

exploration when no human being has ever

exploration when no human being has ever gone before conservation and wildlife

gone before conservation and wildlife

gone before conservation and wildlife photographer grind scary once told me

photographer grind scary once told me

photographer grind scary once told me that 95% of the world’s oceans are

that 95% of the world’s oceans are

that 95% of the world’s oceans are unexplored that it’s a staggering

unexplored that it’s a staggering

unexplored that it’s a staggering statistic but I can’t stand here and

statistic but I can’t stand here and

statistic but I can’t stand here and tell you how many caves are unexplored

tell you how many caves are unexplored

tell you how many caves are unexplored because we haven’t found them yet we

because we haven’t found them yet we

because we haven’t found them yet we have to actually go there and see them

have to actually go there and see them

have to actually go there and see them for real to know that they exist you you

for real to know that they exist you you

for real to know that they exist you you can’t see them from satellites from

can’t see them from satellites from

can’t see them from satellites from space and it’s bringing images like this

space and it’s bringing images like this

space and it’s bringing images like this back to the surface and sharing them

back to the surface and sharing them

back to the surface and sharing them with thousands and thousands of people

with thousands and thousands of people

with thousands and thousands of people on social media like Instagram that’s

on social media like Instagram that’s

on social media like Instagram that’s what drives me

however Caves don’t always look like

however Caves don’t always look like this I have to be honest it’s only for a

this I have to be honest it’s only for a

this I have to be honest it’s only for a split second when you set off the

split second when you set off the

split second when you set off the flashes and the light that you see them

flashes and the light that you see them

flashes and the light that you see them like this most of the time cave look

like this most of the time cave look

like this most of the time cave look like this

like this

like this and it was it was seeing this space

and it was it was seeing this space

and it was it was seeing this space underground in a cave in England about

underground in a cave in England about

underground in a cave in England about 16 years ago that got me hooked

16 years ago that got me hooked

16 years ago that got me hooked I was absolutely drawn to the

I was absolutely drawn to the

I was absolutely drawn to the environment where there’s no light it’s

environment where there’s no light it’s

environment where there’s no light it’s an alien world and I was fascinated with

an alien world and I was fascinated with

an alien world and I was fascinated with with this space and I I want I wanted to

with this space and I I want I wanted to

with this space and I I want I wanted to take pictures in in the case basically

take pictures in in the case basically

take pictures in in the case basically this was my first case photographs that

this was my first case photographs that

this was my first case photographs that I took 16 years ago when I was studying

I took 16 years ago when I was studying

I took 16 years ago when I was studying fine art at university in Sheffield and

fine art at university in Sheffield and

fine art at university in Sheffield and at the time I wanted to combine my love

at the time I wanted to combine my love

at the time I wanted to combine my love of caves and caving with my passion for

of caves and caving with my passion for

of caves and caving with my passion for art so that’s when I started teaching

art so that’s when I started teaching

art so that’s when I started teaching myself cave photography I would practice

myself cave photography I would practice

myself cave photography I would practice in a local cave called titan’ using

in a local cave called titan’ using

in a local cave called titan’ using these film cameras that I borrowed from

these film cameras that I borrowed from

these film cameras that I borrowed from University I wouldn’t tell them where I

University I wouldn’t tell them where I

University I wouldn’t tell them where I was taking them because I don’t I don’t

was taking them because I don’t I don’t

was taking them because I don’t I don’t think they’d let me take them if they

think they’d let me take them if they

think they’d let me take them if they knew where they were going and then at

knew where they were going and then at

knew where they were going and then at weekends I got involved in a digging

weekends I got involved in a digging

weekends I got involved in a digging project so we we decided to sink a

project so we we decided to sink a

project so we we decided to sink a mineshaft from the surface through solid

mineshaft from the surface through solid

mineshaft from the surface through solid rock and then a tunnel all the way to

rock and then a tunnel all the way to

rock and then a tunnel all the way to Titan then we would drill big holes with

Titan then we would drill big holes with

Titan then we would drill big holes with a compressed-air drill like this one

a compressed-air drill like this one

a compressed-air drill like this one here and then blow up the limestone with

here and then blow up the limestone with

here and then blow up the limestone with explosives and then all the rocks and

explosives and then all the rocks and

explosives and then all the rocks and rubble we had to cast along the tunnel

rubble we had to cast along the tunnel

rubble we had to cast along the tunnel on this railway that we installed and

on this railway that we installed and

on this railway that we installed and then winch it to the surface it took

then winch it to the surface it took

then winch it to the surface it took four years to complete this project

four years to complete this project

four years to complete this project sinking the shaft from the surface

sinking the shaft from the surface

sinking the shaft from the surface making the connection through to Titan

making the connection through to Titan

making the connection through to Titan now at the time like I said using the

now at the time like I said using the

now at the time like I said using the film cameras so I would draw pictures of

film cameras so I would draw pictures of

film cameras so I would draw pictures of how I imagined the photographs to look

how I imagined the photographs to look

how I imagined the photographs to look like you can see the picture on the

like you can see the picture on the

like you can see the picture on the right it’s a bit more technical it’s got

right it’s a bit more technical it’s got

right it’s a bit more technical it’s got the angles of the lenses that I was

the angles of the lenses that I was

the angles of the lenses that I was using and the f-stop and the guide

using and the f-stop and the guide

using and the f-stop and the guide numbers of the lights we were using the

numbers of the lights we were using the

numbers of the lights we were using the distances to the walls how reflective

distances to the walls how reflective

distances to the walls how reflective the surface of the walls were trying to

the surface of the walls were trying to

the surface of the walls were trying to build up the photograph in my mind

you can see here on the left sketch this

you can see here on the left sketch this is in Titan

is in Titan

is in Titan on a Ledge halfway up I wanted to make a

on a Ledge halfway up I wanted to make a

on a Ledge halfway up I wanted to make a picture looking up to the ceiling so I

picture looking up to the ceiling so I

picture looking up to the ceiling so I do the sketch and then we went into the

do the sketch and then we went into the

do the sketch and then we went into the cave and tried to make the photograph

cave and tried to make the photograph

cave and tried to make the photograph real trying get something similar now

real trying get something similar now

real trying get something similar now due to the size and shape of Titan it’s

due to the size and shape of Titan it’s

due to the size and shape of Titan it’s very vertical in nature it’s about 450

very vertical in nature it’s about 450

very vertical in nature it’s about 450 feet tall it’s the largest natural shaft

feet tall it’s the largest natural shaft

feet tall it’s the largest natural shaft in the UK I thought the most impressive

in the UK I thought the most impressive

in the UK I thought the most impressive picture push from the very top looking

picture push from the very top looking

picture push from the very top looking straight down the void all the way down

straight down the void all the way down

straight down the void all the way down to the bottom so we had to climb up into

to the bottom so we had to climb up into

to the bottom so we had to climb up into the roof with all my camera gear and

the roof with all my camera gear and

the roof with all my camera gear and somehow anchor my tripod to the wall

somehow anchor my tripod to the wall

somehow anchor my tripod to the wall with the camera fix alla Deng straight

with the camera fix alla Deng straight

with the camera fix alla Deng straight down and you can see here I had to climb

down and you can see here I had to climb

down and you can see here I had to climb up there using ropes sitting on a seat

up there using ropes sitting on a seat

up there using ropes sitting on a seat that I made I had a walkie talkie radio

that I made I had a walkie talkie radio

that I made I had a walkie talkie radio so I could communicate with all the

so I could communicate with all the

so I could communicate with all the people below me who had flash guns and

people below me who had flash guns and

people below me who had flash guns and at the time I was still using the film

at the time I was still using the film

at the time I was still using the film cameras now although the the pictures

cameras now although the the pictures

cameras now although the the pictures were fairly impressive they were never

were fairly impressive they were never

were fairly impressive they were never exactly why I dreamed about so I was

exactly why I dreamed about so I was

exactly why I dreamed about so I was being hassled and persuaded by my

being hassled and persuaded by my

being hassled and persuaded by my colleagues to get a digital camera so I

colleagues to get a digital camera so I

colleagues to get a digital camera so I eventually after several attempts I

eventually after several attempts I

eventually after several attempts I succumbed and bought my first digital

succumbed and bought my first digital

succumbed and bought my first digital camera which is a Canon EOS 20 D and of

camera which is a Canon EOS 20 D and of

camera which is a Canon EOS 20 D and of course with the luxury has been able to

course with the luxury has been able to

course with the luxury has been able to see the photograph on the back of the

see the photograph on the back of the

see the photograph on the back of the camera we were able to get that

camera we were able to get that

camera we were able to get that photograph that I dreamed about and you

photograph that I dreamed about and you

photograph that I dreamed about and you can see the ropes going all the way down

can see the ropes going all the way down

can see the ropes going all the way down to the caver and in the bottom there and

to the caver and in the bottom there and

to the caver and in the bottom there and there’s still a big void below that

there’s still a big void below that

there’s still a big void below that maybe 200-foot below that black hole and

maybe 200-foot below that black hole and

maybe 200-foot below that black hole and at the top of the picture you can see

at the top of the picture you can see

at the top of the picture you can see the breakthrough window where our

the breakthrough window where our

the breakthrough window where our surface shaft and tunnel which we’ve

surface shaft and tunnel which we’ve

surface shaft and tunnel which we’ve driven through limestone and pop down

driven through limestone and pop down

driven through limestone and pop down now unbeknownst to me at the time this

now unbeknownst to me at the time this

now unbeknownst to me at the time this is my first attempts at documenting your

is my first attempts at documenting your

is my first attempts at documenting your story and although these photographs are

story and although these photographs are

story and although these photographs are like 10 maybe 12 years old now it’s

like 10 maybe 12 years old now it’s

like 10 maybe 12 years old now it’s great with social media and Instagram by

great with social media and Instagram by

great with social media and Instagram by sort of reinventing them almost you get

sort of reinventing them almost you get

sort of reinventing them almost you get you’re bringing them back to life it’s

you’re bringing them back to life it’s

you’re bringing them back to life it’s not like they’re lost in an archive

and for instance and I was also invited

and for instance and I was also invited to take the photographs for a book

to take the photographs for a book

to take the photographs for a book French cave called the goofy burger now

French cave called the goofy burger now

French cave called the goofy burger now at the time when Mount Everest was being

at the time when Mount Everest was being

at the time when Mount Everest was being conquered in 1953 within the same week a

conquered in 1953 within the same week a

conquered in 1953 within the same week a team of French caving of cavers were

team of French caving of cavers were

team of French caving of cavers were exploring the den deepest cave in the

exploring the den deepest cave in the

exploring the den deepest cave in the world called the goofy burger all within

world called the goofy burger all within

world called the goofy burger all within about a week of each other the caves

about a week of each other the caves

about a week of each other the caves about 3,500 foot deep here’s a picture

about 3,500 foot deep here’s a picture

about 3,500 foot deep here’s a picture of our team and you can see how much

of our team and you can see how much

of our team and you can see how much lighting equipment and camera equipment

lighting equipment and camera equipment

lighting equipment and camera equipment we had to take on the ground for a

we had to take on the ground for a

we had to take on the ground for a four-day camp leaving the surface behind

four-day camp leaving the surface behind

four-day camp leaving the surface behind and going on into a cave for many days

and going on into a cave for many days

and going on into a cave for many days is a very strange feeling knowing that

is a very strange feeling knowing that

is a very strange feeling knowing that you’re going to spend all that time away

you’re going to spend all that time away

you’re going to spend all that time away from the Sun it’s a little bit

from the Sun it’s a little bit

from the Sun it’s a little bit depressing I must admit but our journey

depressing I must admit but our journey

depressing I must admit but our journey through the cave was really cool we went

through the cave was really cool we went

through the cave was really cool we went past this first section whether a wooden

past this first section whether a wooden

past this first section whether a wooden platform which the French pioneers used

platform which the French pioneers used

platform which the French pioneers used to haul and lower equipment it was

to haul and lower equipment it was

to haul and lower equipment it was fascinating to see how their experiences

fascinating to see how their experiences

fascinating to see how their experiences of doing exactly what we were doing at

of doing exactly what we were doing at

of doing exactly what we were doing at the time but with like more primitive

the time but with like more primitive

the time but with like more primitive lights to what we use these days it’s

lights to what we use these days it’s

lights to what we use these days it’s also very cold very cold cave this is a

also very cold very cold cave this is a

also very cold very cold cave this is a great technique to stay warm by using

great technique to stay warm by using

great technique to stay warm by using the warmth of the candle once you’ve

the warmth of the candle once you’ve

the warmth of the candle once you’ve negotiated the ancient series of the

negotiated the ancient series of the

negotiated the ancient series of the goofer burger you then pop out into this

goofer burger you then pop out into this

goofer burger you then pop out into this huge trunk passage and you follow it all

huge trunk passage and you follow it all

huge trunk passage and you follow it all the way down passing some iconic

the way down passing some iconic

the way down passing some iconic locations this one’s called late kudu

locations this one’s called late kudu

locations this one’s called late kudu named after one of the original

named after one of the original

named after one of the original explorers in dry weather conditions

explorers in dry weather conditions

explorers in dry weather conditions which light completely disappears and

which light completely disappears and

which light completely disappears and you can just walk through and then the

you can just walk through and then the

you can just walk through and then the most iconic location in the cave is this

most iconic location in the cave is this

most iconic location in the cave is this place called Hall of the 13 named after

place called Hall of the 13 named after

place called Hall of the 13 named after the 13 French explorers it’s also home

the 13 French explorers it’s also home

the 13 French explorers it’s also home to one of the first underground camps

to one of the first underground camps

to one of the first underground camps there are two camps in the cave which

there are two camps in the cave which

there are two camps in the cave which ones the first one and at this point we

ones the first one and at this point we

ones the first one and at this point we make a telephone call basically back up

make a telephone call basically back up

make a telephone call basically back up to the surface to get a weather forecast

to the surface to get a weather forecast

to the surface to get a weather forecast to make sure it’s safe to continue down

to make sure it’s safe to continue down

to make sure it’s safe to continue down into the cave because after the camp the

into the cave because after the camp the

into the cave because after the camp the nature of the cave changes it becomes a

nature of the cave changes it becomes a

nature of the cave changes it becomes a lot wetter this section caller Cascades

lot wetter this section caller Cascades

lot wetter this section caller Cascades and it’s more it’s really important to

and it’s more it’s really important to

and it’s more it’s really important to rig a rope all the way through the

rig a rope all the way through the

rig a rope all the way through the section just in case the water levels

section just in case the water levels

section just in case the water levels rise at this point we’re about 3,000

rise at this point we’re about 3,000

rise at this point we’re about 3,000 feet underground now another location

feet underground now another location

feet underground now another location where there’s an iconic landmarks left

where there’s an iconic landmarks left

where there’s an iconic landmarks left behind by the French pioneers you

behind by the French pioneers you

behind by the French pioneers you imagine carrying that metal pole all the

imagine carrying that metal pole all the

imagine carrying that metal pole all the way down through the entrance series

way down through the entrance series

way down through the entrance series across that Lake to do the Cascades

across that Lake to do the Cascades

across that Lake to do the Cascades would have been very challenging in 1953

would have been very challenging in 1953

would have been very challenging in 1953 and they used it to work to gain access

and they used it to work to gain access

and they used it to work to gain access to the far wall of the cave where they

to the far wall of the cave where they

to the far wall of the cave where they could rig a ladder to avoid the

could rig a ladder to avoid the

could rig a ladder to avoid the waterfall below them nowadays we use the

waterfall below them nowadays we use the

waterfall below them nowadays we use the rope again away from the waterfall make

rope again away from the waterfall make

rope again away from the waterfall make them get safe and then finally you reach

them get safe and then finally you reach

them get safe and then finally you reach the bottom of the cave where the water

the bottom of the cave where the water

the bottom of the cave where the water levels are really really high and you’re

levels are really really high and you’re

levels are really really high and you’re forced to swim through the other cave

forced to swim through the other cave

forced to swim through the other cave passage it’s very low and if you haven’t

passage it’s very low and if you haven’t

passage it’s very low and if you haven’t made that telephone call earlier to the

made that telephone call earlier to the

made that telephone call earlier to the surface to get the weather forecast you

surface to get the weather forecast you

surface to get the weather forecast you probably would want to go through this

probably would want to go through this

probably would want to go through this section just in case the water levels

section just in case the water levels

section just in case the water levels did rise and it got sealed off now

did rise and it got sealed off now

did rise and it got sealed off now limestone cave they’re not the only

limestone cave they’re not the only

limestone cave they’re not the only caves out there there are other caves as

caves out there there are other caves as

caves out there there are other caves as well and I really wanted to document

well and I really wanted to document

well and I really wanted to document cave inside glasses because they’re

cave inside glasses because they’re

cave inside glasses because they’re ever-changing and the rhombus threats

ever-changing and the rhombus threats

ever-changing and the rhombus threats and they’re disappearing due to climate

and they’re disappearing due to climate

and they’re disappearing due to climate change

change

change now Dasia cage or mullings

now Dasia cage or mullings

now Dasia cage or mullings as they’re also known are formed when

as they’re also known are formed when

as they’re also known are formed when surface meltwater disappears down in a

surface meltwater disappears down in a

surface meltwater disappears down in a crack through the ice and winds its way

crack through the ice and winds its way

crack through the ice and winds its way all the way down through the glass ear

all the way down through the glass ear

all the way down through the glass ear to the bottom and they can be very

to the bottom and they can be very

to the bottom and they can be very dangerous things to explore during the

dangerous things to explore during the

dangerous things to explore during the day when there’s a lot of meltwater

day when there’s a lot of meltwater

day when there’s a lot of meltwater which is why we tend to explore them at

which is why we tend to explore them at

which is why we tend to explore them at night when hopefully the cold

night when hopefully the cold

night when hopefully the cold temperatures of pro

temperatures of pro

temperatures of pro the water however this doesn’t mean

the water however this doesn’t mean

the water however this doesn’t mean setting an alarm it’s something like 2

setting an alarm it’s something like 2

setting an alarm it’s something like 2 a.m. in the morning and getting up out

a.m. in the morning and getting up out

a.m. in the morning and getting up out of your nice warm sleeping bag and

of your nice warm sleeping bag and

of your nice warm sleeping bag and making some kind of breakfast I’m not

making some kind of breakfast I’m not

making some kind of breakfast I’m not sure if Gareth on the right there in the

sure if Gareth on the right there in the

sure if Gareth on the right there in the red was half asleep when I saw this

red was half asleep when I saw this

red was half asleep when I saw this picture it looks like he’s eating a pan

picture it looks like he’s eating a pan

picture it looks like he’s eating a pan of snow as a poet or plan of porridge

of snow as a poet or plan of porridge

of snow as a poet or plan of porridge knowing Gareth it probably snow and that

knowing Gareth it probably snow and that

knowing Gareth it probably snow and that then we’d hike over the glass here

then we’d hike over the glass here

then we’d hike over the glass here avoiding any crevices that might be on

avoiding any crevices that might be on

avoiding any crevices that might be on the way and trying to find those Mullens

the way and trying to find those Mullens

the way and trying to find those Mullens that we’d made GPS point GPS Waypoint of

that we’d made GPS point GPS Waypoint of

that we’d made GPS point GPS Waypoint of before when we get to the entrance of

before when we get to the entrance of

before when we get to the entrance of the mule in we get out all the equipment

the mule in we get out all the equipment

the mule in we get out all the equipment that were going to use install and ice

that were going to use install and ice

that were going to use install and ice screw into the ice trying to make it so

screw into the ice trying to make it so

screw into the ice trying to make it so that when the Sun comes up in the

that when the Sun comes up in the

that when the Sun comes up in the morning it’s not in direct sunlight so

morning it’s not in direct sunlight so

morning it’s not in direct sunlight so it won’t melt and then rappel over the

it won’t melt and then rappel over the

it won’t melt and then rappel over the edge of the glass here downwards trying

edge of the glass here downwards trying

edge of the glass here downwards trying to rig the ropes away from any gullies

to rig the ropes away from any gullies

to rig the ropes away from any gullies where the surface meltwater might come

where the surface meltwater might come

where the surface meltwater might come in the morning and then once that once

in the morning and then once that once

in the morning and then once that once on the ground and into the glass here

on the ground and into the glass here

on the ground and into the glass here properly most of the Mullens that I’ve

properly most of the Mullens that I’ve

properly most of the Mullens that I’ve explored in the past are very much

explored in the past are very much

explored in the past are very much channeled into the ice like slides a

channeled into the ice like slides a

channeled into the ice like slides a water park and the surface is really

water park and the surface is really

water park and the surface is really hard and really slipping without what we

hard and really slipping without what we

hard and really slipping without what we call crampons which are metal spikes on

call crampons which are metal spikes on

call crampons which are metal spikes on our boots these things would be

our boots these things would be

our boots these things would be impossible to explore and then sometimes

impossible to explore and then sometimes

impossible to explore and then sometimes the glassy earth the moon turns very

the glassy earth the moon turns very

the glassy earth the moon turns very vertical inside the glacier and you’re

vertical inside the glacier and you’re

vertical inside the glacier and you’re forced to rig a rope and an Abbe sail

forced to rig a rope and an Abbe sail

forced to rig a rope and an Abbe sail again rappel down or the times that the

again rappel down or the times that the

again rappel down or the times that the water can carve a more horizontal route

water can carve a more horizontal route

water can carve a more horizontal route through it like a canyon but we would

through it like a canyon but we would

through it like a canyon but we would still rig a rope through just in case

still rig a rope through just in case

still rig a rope through just in case the floor suddenly gives way and like in

the floor suddenly gives way and like in

the floor suddenly gives way and like in the limestone caves the team are really

the limestone caves the team are really

the limestone caves the team are really keen to make a survey of the muling and

keen to make a survey of the muling and

keen to make a survey of the muling and from this they can monitor the changes

from this they can monitor the changes

from this they can monitor the changes in melting and then if we’re lucky we

in melting and then if we’re lucky we

in melting and then if we’re lucky we finally reach the bottom of the glass

finally reach the bottom of the glass

finally reach the bottom of the glass here and we hit bedrock and these

here and we hit bedrock and these

here and we hit bedrock and these passages can be absolutely spectacular

passages can be absolutely spectacular

passages can be absolutely spectacular as you’re walking along on them on the

as you’re walking along on them on the

as you’re walking along on them on the bedrock underneath the glass here and

bedrock underneath the glass here and

bedrock underneath the glass here and the water’s carp is amazing sculpted

the water’s carp is amazing sculpted

the water’s carp is amazing sculpted surface above

now here’s an example of the speed at

now here’s an example of the speed at which these things can change we

which these things can change we

which these things can change we discovered this Mullin in 2012 on an

discovered this Mullin in 2012 on an

discovered this Mullin in 2012 on an expedition to the Goron a glass here in

expedition to the Goron a glass here in

expedition to the Goron a glass here in Switzerland and we named it the Balrog

Switzerland and we named it the Balrog

Switzerland and we named it the Balrog because it creaked and groaned made

because it creaked and groaned made

because it creaked and groaned made these really strange noises and I

these really strange noises and I

these really strange noises and I remember when we were exploring it I

remember when we were exploring it I

remember when we were exploring it I would look up into the ceiling and see

would look up into the ceiling and see

would look up into the ceiling and see TV sized rocks wedged up in the ice half

TV sized rocks wedged up in the ice half

TV sized rocks wedged up in the ice half half out half in thinking to myself I

half out half in thinking to myself I

half out half in thinking to myself I wonder how much protection my little

wonder how much protection my little

wonder how much protection my little thin helmet is going to offer it should

thin helmet is going to offer it should

thin helmet is going to offer it should be one of these things fall out and land

be one of these things fall out and land

be one of these things fall out and land on my head

now that the end of the Balrog the

now that the end of the Balrog the Merlin it ended in this pool of water

Merlin it ended in this pool of water

Merlin it ended in this pool of water and two of the team that we were weird

and two of the team that we were weird

and two of the team that we were weird with cave divers so they explore flooded

with cave divers so they explore flooded

with cave divers so they explore flooded sections of cave passage underwater in

sections of cave passage underwater in

sections of cave passage underwater in the UK and they were really keen to

the UK and they were really keen to

the UK and they were really keen to explore underwater here but they didn’t

explore underwater here but they didn’t

explore underwater here but they didn’t have their diving equipment with them at

have their diving equipment with them at

have their diving equipment with them at the time so we decided that we would

the time so we decided that we would

the time so we decided that we would come back the following year and dive

come back the following year and dive

come back the following year and dive the the pool of water well we came back

the the pool of water well we came back

the the pool of water well we came back the following year and sadly this Merlin

the following year and sadly this Merlin

the following year and sadly this Merlin had completely disappeared melted away

had completely disappeared melted away

had completely disappeared melted away just completely gone so this was

just completely gone so this was

just completely gone so this was basically a one-time only opportunity to

basically a one-time only opportunity to

basically a one-time only opportunity to see this natural wonder after that was

see this natural wonder after that was

see this natural wonder after that was disappeared so after my Mullen and

disappeared so after my Mullen and

disappeared so after my Mullen and glacier cave project my most recent

glacier cave project my most recent

glacier cave project my most recent projects my most recent assignment

projects my most recent assignment

projects my most recent assignment earlier on this year was to explore

earlier on this year was to explore

earlier on this year was to explore caves in the quartzite to peruse the

caves in the quartzite to peruse the

caves in the quartzite to peruse the tabletop Mountains in Venezuela now

tabletop Mountains in Venezuela now

tabletop Mountains in Venezuela now these plateaus are very very isolated

these plateaus are very very isolated

these plateaus are very very isolated and the caves are isolated further so

and the caves are isolated further so

and the caves are isolated further so the team that we always were biologists

the team that we always were biologists

the team that we always were biologists and scientists and they are really keen

and scientists and they are really keen

and scientists and they are really keen to find unique forms of bacteria which

to find unique forms of bacteria which

to find unique forms of bacteria which could well be unique to science

so like I say in the the main the main

so like I say in the the main the main reasons for this XD expedition was to

reasons for this XD expedition was to

reasons for this XD expedition was to help the clinical microbiologist who are

help the clinical microbiologist who are

help the clinical microbiologist who are on the team who studied the micro micro

on the team who studied the micro micro

on the team who studied the micro micro bacterial resistance into antibiotics

bacterial resistance into antibiotics

bacterial resistance into antibiotics and I mess it with this guy dr.

and I mess it with this guy dr.

and I mess it with this guy dr. Francesco cero who was a cave scientist

Francesco cero who was a cave scientist

Francesco cero who was a cave scientist and a cave Explorer an Italian cave

and a cave Explorer an Italian cave

and a cave Explorer an Italian cave Explorer who won the Rolex award 2014

Explorer who won the Rolex award 2014

Explorer who won the Rolex award 2014 Rolex Award for enterprise for his work

Rolex Award for enterprise for his work

Rolex Award for enterprise for his work inside these Venezuelan super ease and

inside these Venezuelan super ease and

inside these Venezuelan super ease and we met up in a village called canaracuni

we met up in a village called canaracuni

we met up in a village called canaracuni which that the foot of sorry sorry our

which that the foot of sorry sorry our

which that the foot of sorry sorry our mats at Bowie these days I always take

mats at Bowie these days I always take

mats at Bowie these days I always take with me a Polaroid camera because

with me a Polaroid camera because

with me a Polaroid camera because they’re a great way to build up

they’re a great way to build up

they’re a great way to build up relationships with the year the local

relationships with the year the local

relationships with the year the local villages and they’re great gift to give

villages and they’re great gift to give

villages and they’re great gift to give to the people the kids love them just

to the people the kids love them just

to the people the kids love them just like I always carry a diary a

like I always carry a diary a

like I always carry a diary a leather-bound diary and from this I’d

leather-bound diary and from this I’d

leather-bound diary and from this I’d writes up the day the daily account of

writes up the day the daily account of

writes up the day the daily account of what we’ve done make sketches of things

what we’ve done make sketches of things

what we’ve done make sketches of things this is a sketch of the OEM tepui

this is a sketch of the OEM tepui

this is a sketch of the OEM tepui and the village of Kovac where we stayed

and the village of Kovac where we stayed

and the village of Kovac where we stayed as well now the surface of the

as well now the surface of the

as well now the surface of the sorry-sorry ommited poo is heavily

sorry-sorry ommited poo is heavily

sorry-sorry ommited poo is heavily vegetated but on the surface there are

vegetated but on the surface there are

vegetated but on the surface there are these big holes are called seamless that

these big holes are called seamless that

these big holes are called seamless that basically collapsed cave chambers which

basically collapsed cave chambers which

basically collapsed cave chambers which are now open to the surface and it’s

are now open to the surface and it’s

are now open to the surface and it’s things like there’s these big holes that

things like there’s these big holes that

things like there’s these big holes that attract people like francesco now

attract people like francesco now

attract people like francesco now getting on top of the puri is very

getting on top of the puri is very

getting on top of the puri is very difficult landing a helicopter is

difficult landing a helicopter is

difficult landing a helicopter is virtually impossible so whilst the

virtually impossible so whilst the

virtually impossible so whilst the helicopter hovered for maybe a meter two

helicopter hovered for maybe a meter two

helicopter hovered for maybe a meter two meters off the of the surface of the

meters off the of the surface of the

meters off the of the surface of the floor we had to slowly gently get off

floor we had to slowly gently get off

floor we had to slowly gently get off slide down onto the skids without making

slide down onto the skids without making

slide down onto the skids without making any sudden movements not to distract the

any sudden movements not to distract the

any sudden movements not to distract the pilot too much and slide off onto the

pilot too much and slide off onto the

pilot too much and slide off onto the floor because the rotor blades are so

floor because the rotor blades are so

floor because the rotor blades are so this far away from the trees and then

this far away from the trees and then

this far away from the trees and then watch him turn around and fly off pretty

watch him turn around and fly off pretty

watch him turn around and fly off pretty scary below the trees on sorry-sorry arm

scary below the trees on sorry-sorry arm

scary below the trees on sorry-sorry arm it’s very very sick with the vegetation

it’s very very sick with the vegetation

it’s very very sick with the vegetation but on the other Tipperary that we

but on the other Tipperary that we

but on the other Tipperary that we explored how we answered period is

explored how we answered period is

explored how we answered period is hardly any vegetation it’s very

hardly any vegetation it’s very

hardly any vegetation it’s very from the wildlife on top of these two

from the wildlife on top of these two

from the wildlife on top of these two periods fascinating you’ve got things

periods fascinating you’ve got things

periods fascinating you’ve got things like these are fly catching carnivorous

like these are fly catching carnivorous

like these are fly catching carnivorous plants on the left tree frogs parrots

plants on the left tree frogs parrots

plants on the left tree frogs parrots flying around this expedition was

flying around this expedition was

flying around this expedition was twofold

twofold

twofold there was the micro bio their biological

there was the micro bio their biological

there was the micro bio their biological project going on as well but also second

project going on as well but also second

project going on as well but also second to that was a laser scanning team which

to that was a laser scanning team which

to that was a laser scanning team which had gone into the cave to make a 3d map

had gone into the cave to make a 3d map

had gone into the cave to make a 3d map of the cave and I wanted to hang out

of the cave and I wanted to hang out

of the cave and I wanted to hang out with these guys because they were going

with these guys because they were going

with these guys because they were going to spend 4 consecutive days on the

to spend 4 consecutive days on the

to spend 4 consecutive days on the ground we had two camps one camp in the

ground we had two camps one camp in the

ground we had two camps one camp in the cave and then one camp on the surface

cave and then one camp on the surface

cave and then one camp on the surface not that far away and I took advantage

not that far away and I took advantage

not that far away and I took advantage of the fact that the surface camp was so

of the fact that the surface camp was so

of the fact that the surface camp was so close so I would set my alarm a little

close so I would set my alarm a little

close so I would set my alarm a little bit earlier than these guys get up run

bit earlier than these guys get up run

bit earlier than these guys get up run out onto the surface because on the

out onto the surface because on the

out onto the surface because on the surface they had a cavity air and I had

surface they had a cavity air and I had

surface they had a cavity air and I had a fresh coffee and I’m a big fan of

a fresh coffee and I’m a big fan of

a fresh coffee and I’m a big fan of coffee so these guys just had Nescafe

coffee so these guys just had Nescafe

coffee so these guys just had Nescafe them and then I would get back and these

them and then I would get back and these

them and then I would get back and these guys are waking up like where have you

guys are waking up like where have you

guys are waking up like where have you been I’ve been outside for a coffee but

been I’ve been outside for a coffee but

been I’ve been outside for a coffee but there was a serious point that this is

there was a serious point that this is

there was a serious point that this is where I can relay messages back to the

where I can relay messages back to the

where I can relay messages back to the surface and the surface regime and then

surface and the surface regime and then

surface and the surface regime and then tell them what we were doing me on the

tell them what we were doing me on the

tell them what we were doing me on the day and the naked light tell us what

day and the naked light tell us what

day and the naked light tell us what they were going to do so I was like the

they were going to do so I was like the

they were going to do so I was like the human radio basically these are the

human radio basically these are the

human radio basically these are the laser scanning teams tomorrow on the

laser scanning teams tomorrow on the

laser scanning teams tomorrow on the Left Humberto in the middle and then add

Left Humberto in the middle and then add

Left Humberto in the middle and then add it on the right-hand side

it on the right-hand side

it on the right-hand side and that right photograph it’s a typical

and that right photograph it’s a typical

and that right photograph it’s a typical scene working with the laser scanning

scene working with the laser scanning

scene working with the laser scanning scene because each each scan took about

scene because each each scan took about

scene because each each scan took about three minutes to perform and in that

three minutes to perform and in that

three minutes to perform and in that three minute time we had to run off and

three minute time we had to run off and

three minute time we had to run off and hide in order not to be scanned

hide in order not to be scanned

hide in order not to be scanned otherwise we were going to be fixed

otherwise we were going to be fixed

otherwise we were going to be fixed inside the scan as well whilst the

inside the scan as well whilst the

inside the scan as well whilst the lasers are all firing around so we had

lasers are all firing around so we had

lasers are all firing around so we had to finally little nooks and crannies to

to finally little nooks and crannies to

to finally little nooks and crannies to hide from the scanner now it’s because

hide from the scanner now it’s because

hide from the scanner now it’s because these caves are so remote and so rarely

these caves are so remote and so rarely

these caves are so remote and so rarely visited that it was important to make

visited that it was important to make

visited that it was important to make this accurate map of the cave because

this accurate map of the cave because

this accurate map of the cave because you might never return who knows and at

you might never return who knows and at

you might never return who knows and at this point in the cave and the

this point in the cave and the

this point in the cave and the underground world meets the surface

underground world meets the surface

underground world meets the surface world you basically walk out into one of

world you basically walk out into one of

world you basically walk out into one of those Seamas one of those skylights but

those Seamas one of those skylights but

those Seamas one of those skylights but from below

from below

from below and it’s it’s a strange feeling when you

and it’s it’s a strange feeling when you

and it’s it’s a strange feeling when you spent so long on the ground in total

spent so long on the ground in total

spent so long on the ground in total darkness coming out with something like

darkness coming out with something like

darkness coming out with something like this where there’s vegetation on the

this where there’s vegetation on the

this where there’s vegetation on the rocks and who is flying around above

rocks and who is flying around above

rocks and who is flying around above your head makes you realize how remote

your head makes you realize how remote

your head makes you realize how remote and isolated you are it’s a fascinating

and isolated you are it’s a fascinating

and isolated you are it’s a fascinating place that each time I pass this part of

place that each time I pass this part of

place that each time I pass this part of the cave I was drawn to the shapes and

the cave I was drawn to the shapes and

the cave I was drawn to the shapes and the patterns in the ceiling of the cave

the patterns in the ceiling of the cave

the patterns in the ceiling of the cave passage and I was really keen to take a

passage and I was really keen to take a

passage and I was really keen to take a picture here and finally towards the end

picture here and finally towards the end

picture here and finally towards the end of the trip Francesco and the team they

of the trip Francesco and the team they

of the trip Francesco and the team they helped me make this picture and other

helped me make this picture and other

helped me make this picture and other parts of the cave that’s absolutely

parts of the cave that’s absolutely

parts of the cave that’s absolutely spectacular it’s this kid part of the

spectacular it’s this kid part of the

spectacular it’s this kid part of the cave it’s called thousand column gallery

cave it’s called thousand column gallery

cave it’s called thousand column gallery of his reasons and the laser scanning

of his reasons and the laser scanning

of his reasons and the laser scanning scene spent a long time here working

scene spent a long time here working

scene spent a long time here working their way through the columns making a

their way through the columns making a

their way through the columns making a really accurate map and it gave me a

really accurate map and it gave me a

really accurate map and it gave me a great opportunity to take lots and lots

great opportunity to take lots and lots

great opportunity to take lots and lots of pictures but not always with the

of pictures but not always with the

of pictures but not always with the manpower you need to take these pictures

manpower you need to take these pictures

manpower you need to take these pictures so this is a self-portrait of me running

so this is a self-portrait of me running

so this is a self-portrait of me running through the columns with a derp in the

through the columns with a derp in the

through the columns with a derp in the background another part of the cave

background another part of the cave

background another part of the cave that’s really unusual is this part with

that’s really unusual is this part with

that’s really unusual is this part with the with the lake but what’s spectacular

the with the lake but what’s spectacular

the with the lake but what’s spectacular and unusual about the lake is the fact

and unusual about the lake is the fact

and unusual about the lake is the fact that on part of the surface there’s a

that on part of the surface there’s a

that on part of the surface there’s a skin of bacteria that’s growing on the

skin of bacteria that’s growing on the

skin of bacteria that’s growing on the on the surface and it changes by day to

on the surface and it changes by day to

on the surface and it changes by day to day where it where it is it’s really

day where it where it is it’s really

day where it where it is it’s really unusual from my point of view it was

unusual from my point of view it was

unusual from my point of view it was unusual because it reflected light like

unusual because it reflected light like

unusual because it reflected light like oil does with a really rainbow coloured

oil does with a really rainbow coloured

oil does with a really rainbow coloured pattern to it very strange now Albert

pattern to it very strange now Albert

pattern to it very strange now Albert Einstein said that if you look deeper

Einstein said that if you look deeper

Einstein said that if you look deeper into nature you’ll understand everything

into nature you’ll understand everything

into nature you’ll understand everything better and by looking closer at some of

better and by looking closer at some of

better and by looking closer at some of these caves what exists there I can

these caves what exists there I can

these caves what exists there I can understand what he’s getting at in a way

understand what he’s getting at in a way

understand what he’s getting at in a way like on the Left you’ve got these cool

like on the Left you’ve got these cool

like on the Left you’ve got these cool gypsum formations and on the right hand

gypsum formations and on the right hand

gypsum formations and on the right hand side the middle photograph that’s a moss

side the middle photograph that’s a moss

side the middle photograph that’s a moss that’s been eaten from the inside out by

that’s been eaten from the inside out by

that’s been eaten from the inside out by bacteria really really unusual

now just like francesco this guy in the

now just like francesco this guy in the blue house am Jawara his name is from

blue house am Jawara his name is from

blue house am Jawara his name is from Saudi Arabia he won the Rolex Award in

Saudi Arabia he won the Rolex Award in

Saudi Arabia he won the Rolex Award in 2014 for his work as a clinical

2014 for his work as a clinical

2014 for his work as a clinical microbiologist and francesco invited him

microbiologist and francesco invited him

microbiologist and francesco invited him to come along and help help help

to come along and help help help

to come along and help help help understand basically what’s going on in

understand basically what’s going on in

understand basically what’s going on in the cage with the bacteria he’s taken

the cage with the bacteria he’s taken

the cage with the bacteria he’s taken some samples back to his University in

some samples back to his University in

some samples back to his University in Queensland in Brisbane where where he’s

Queensland in Brisbane where where he’s

Queensland in Brisbane where where he’s analyzing the bacterium samples

analyzing the bacterium samples

analyzing the bacterium samples meanwhile it also gave Francesco time to

meanwhile it also gave Francesco time to

meanwhile it also gave Francesco time to take some samples again for his work

take some samples again for his work

take some samples again for his work that he’s doing back in Italy and then

that he’s doing back in Italy and then

that he’s doing back in Italy and then on the surface he created like this

on the surface he created like this

on the surface he created like this field laboratory close to one of the

field laboratory close to one of the

field laboratory close to one of the femurs where he started doing the work

femurs where he started doing the work

femurs where he started doing the work finally just before returning home I was

finally just before returning home I was

finally just before returning home I was invited to take a short helicopter ride

invited to take a short helicopter ride

invited to take a short helicopter ride onto another tip hue and explore another

onto another tip hue and explore another

onto another tip hue and explore another case called Cueva Fantasma i didn’t

case called Cueva Fantasma i didn’t

case called Cueva Fantasma i didn’t really know what we were going to and

really know what we were going to and

really know what we were going to and the journey through the gorge in the

the journey through the gorge in the

the journey through the gorge in the helicopter was absolutely fascinating

helicopter was absolutely fascinating

helicopter was absolutely fascinating the rotor blades wherever’s are close to

the rotor blades wherever’s are close to

the rotor blades wherever’s are close to the cliffs and in the distance I could

the cliffs and in the distance I could

the cliffs and in the distance I could see that the gorge ended I didn’t know

see that the gorge ended I didn’t know

see that the gorge ended I didn’t know where we’re going like I say and we got

where we’re going like I say and we got

where we’re going like I say and we got closer and closer to the end and the

closer and closer to the end and the

closer and closer to the end and the cliffs got closer to the rotor blades

cliffs got closer to the rotor blades

cliffs got closer to the rotor blades and just when I thought we were going to

and just when I thought we were going to

and just when I thought we were going to like a crash or something the pilot

like a crash or something the pilot

like a crash or something the pilot turned right and entered this huge cave

turned right and entered this huge cave

turned right and entered this huge cave entrance I don’t know if you guys can

entrance I don’t know if you guys can

entrance I don’t know if you guys can see the helicopter parked up on the

see the helicopter parked up on the

see the helicopter parked up on the floor there I mean I don’t know how high

floor there I mean I don’t know how high

floor there I mean I don’t know how high it is it absolutely gianormous but it

it is it absolutely gianormous but it

it is it absolutely gianormous but it was really spectacular to spend some

was really spectacular to spend some

was really spectacular to spend some time here now visiting the superiors in

time here now visiting the superiors in

time here now visiting the superiors in Venezuela and standing on top of one was

Venezuela and standing on top of one was

Venezuela and standing on top of one was an absolute privilege and exploring the

an absolute privilege and exploring the

an absolute privilege and exploring the caves and getting the opportunity to

caves and getting the opportunity to

caves and getting the opportunity to photograph them like we did was a dream

photograph them like we did was a dream

photograph them like we did was a dream come true Arthur Conan Doyle wrote about

come true Arthur Conan Doyle wrote about

come true Arthur Conan Doyle wrote about the lost world on top of its operations

the lost world on top of its operations

the lost world on top of its operations wonder what it would have made of the

wonder what it would have made of the

wonder what it would have made of the caves and finally these photographs they

caves and finally these photographs they

caves and finally these photographs they don’t take themselves and they involve a

don’t take themselves and they involve a

don’t take themselves and they involve a lot of help from many many people to

lot of help from many many people to

lot of help from many many people to bring in all the lighting equipment and

bring in all the lighting equipment and

bring in all the lighting equipment and I’ve got a page on my website that lists

I’ve got a page on my website that lists

I’ve got a page on my website that lists all the people who’s ever helped me so I

all the people who’s ever helped me so I

all the people who’s ever helped me so I just like to take this opportunity to

just like to take this opportunity to

just like to take this opportunity to thank all those people and my girlfriend

thank all those people and my girlfriend

thank all those people and my girlfriend and I prepared this presentation for you

and I prepared this presentation for you

and I prepared this presentation for you because she’s in a case I insisted

because she’s in a case I insisted

because she’s in a case I insisted as well and also a National Geographic

as well and also a National Geographic

as well and also a National Geographic grantee and I hope with the presentation

grantee and I hope with the presentation

grantee and I hope with the presentation that we’ve kind of showing you a little

that we’ve kind of showing you a little

that we’ve kind of showing you a little bit about the world on the ground and

bit about the world on the ground and

bit about the world on the ground and try to break down some of those borders

try to break down some of those borders

try to break down some of those borders remember you don’t have to be a an

remember you don’t have to be a an

remember you don’t have to be a an astronaut or a deep-sea diver to

astronaut or a deep-sea diver to

astronaut or a deep-sea diver to discover something new thank you

discover something new thank you

discover something new thank you [Applause]

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