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I suppose I always ask myself a question

I suppose I always ask myself a question before I go to a place but I’m not

before I go to a place but I’m not

before I go to a place but I’m not seeking an answer I think the best

seeking an answer I think the best

seeking an answer I think the best places are the ones that give you

places are the ones that give you

places are the ones that give you permanently unsettled

well Pico it’s an incredible pleasure to

well Pico it’s an incredible pleasure to share a stage with you again honor and a

share a stage with you again honor and a

share a stage with you again honor and a pleasure it’s great to see you so I

pleasure it’s great to see you so I

pleasure it’s great to see you so I thought what I do tonight to begin I’m

thought what I do tonight to begin I’m

thought what I do tonight to begin I’m serendipitously enough I found that

serendipitously enough I found that

serendipitously enough I found that someone who’s here tonight had had this

someone who’s here tonight had had this

someone who’s here tonight had had this book the lady in the monk four seasons

book the lady in the monk four seasons

book the lady in the monk four seasons in Kyoto which is in many ways picot

in Kyoto which is in many ways picot

in Kyoto which is in many ways picot signature book I think it’s a wonderful

signature book I think it’s a wonderful

signature book I think it’s a wonderful wonderful account of moving to Japan and

wonderful account of moving to Japan and

wonderful account of moving to Japan and it was published in 1991 and this is a

it was published in 1991 and this is a

it was published in 1991 and this is a very personal book in your most recent

very personal book in your most recent

very personal book in your most recent book the man within my head is your

book the man within my head is your

book the man within my head is your other most personal book I believe that

other most personal book I believe that

other most personal book I believe that you’ve written to date in my opinion and

you’ve written to date in my opinion and

you’ve written to date in my opinion and so you have these two very revealing

so you have these two very revealing

so you have these two very revealing books and I just thought I’m gonna hand

books and I just thought I’m gonna hand

books and I just thought I’m gonna hand this book to you and ask you to hold it

this book to you and ask you to hold it

this book to you and ask you to hold it in your hand and tell me what you what

in your hand and tell me what you what

in your hand and tell me what you what you think as you look at that book what

you think as you look at that book what

you think as you look at that book what you remember what you feel about it now

you remember what you feel about it now

you remember what you feel about it now what does it bring out in you oh I love

what does it bring out in you oh I love

what does it bring out in you oh I love this cover image which is probably too

this cover image which is probably too

this cover image which is probably too small for any of you to see but it

small for any of you to see but it

small for any of you to see but it catches the Japan that I dreamed of you

catches the Japan that I dreamed of you

catches the Japan that I dreamed of you know to Japan and I think this applies

know to Japan and I think this applies

know to Japan and I think this applies to you was my home before I ever went

to you was my home before I ever went

to you was my home before I ever went there when I was a little boy I would

there when I was a little boy I would

there when I was a little boy I would look at Japanese paintings I would read

look at Japanese paintings I would read

look at Japanese paintings I would read Japanese poems and something made me

Japanese poems and something made me

Japanese poems and something made me feel as if I recognized that place

feel as if I recognized that place

feel as if I recognized that place better than the town where I was born

better than the town where I was born

better than the town where I was born Oxford England or the place where I kept

Oxford England or the place where I kept

Oxford England or the place where I kept all my stuff Santa Barbara California it

all my stuff Santa Barbara California it

all my stuff Santa Barbara California it just images from Japan would Pierce me

just images from Japan would Pierce me

just images from Japan would Pierce me with the kind of familiarity and I think

with the kind of familiarity and I think

with the kind of familiarity and I think all of us have these secret homes often

all of us have these secret homes often

all of us have these secret homes often it might be India or Egypt or China but

it might be India or Egypt or China but

it might be India or Egypt or China but the beauty of the modern world is you

the beauty of the modern world is you

the beauty of the modern world is you can actually go and inhabit them twenty

can actually go and inhabit them twenty

can actually go and inhabit them twenty years ago you would just spend your

years ago you would just spend your

years ago you would just spend your whole life dreaming about them and I was

whole life dreaming about them and I was

whole life dreaming about them and I was so happy that you said it was my

so happy that you said it was my

so happy that you said it was my signature book because it’s still my

signature book because it’s still my

signature book because it’s still my favorite among my books because at that

favorite among my books because at that

favorite among my books because at that time I was living in midtown Manhattan

time I was living in midtown Manhattan

time I was living in midtown Manhattan working on 24th floor office four blocks

working on 24th floor office four blocks

working on 24th floor office four blocks from Times Square writing well the fair

from Times Square writing well the fair

from Times Square writing well the fair stories for Time magazine pretty much in

stories for Time magazine pretty much in

stories for Time magazine pretty much in the job and the life I might have

the job and the life I might have

the job and the life I might have dreamed of as a little boy and had a lot

dreamed of as a little boy and had a lot

dreamed of as a little boy and had a lot of time to take holidays had not a care

of time to take holidays had not a care

of time to take holidays had not a care a responsibility in the world and

a responsibility in the world and

a responsibility in the world and surrounded by invigorating really rich

surrounded by invigorating really rich

surrounded by invigorating really rich and interesting company but some part of

and interesting company but some part of

and interesting company but some part of me felt

me felt

me felt as if I was only doing justice to one

as if I was only doing justice to one

as if I was only doing justice to one half of the world and that I was getting

half of the world and that I was getting

half of the world and that I was getting a jolt of stimulation and excitement and

a jolt of stimulation and excitement and

a jolt of stimulation and excitement and seeing the exterior world but there are

seeing the exterior world but there are

seeing the exterior world but there are many things connected with silence and

many things connected with silence and

many things connected with silence and reflection and nothing happening that I

reflection and nothing happening that I

reflection and nothing happening that I wasn’t seeing so I left that job and

wasn’t seeing so I left that job and

wasn’t seeing so I left that job and decided to go and live for a year in a

decided to go and live for a year in a

decided to go and live for a year in a monastery in Kyoto and you’re smiling

monastery in Kyoto and you’re smiling

monastery in Kyoto and you’re smiling because you know already what happened

because you know already what happened

because you know already what happened which is my high-minded year in Kyoto

which is my high-minded year in Kyoto

which is my high-minded year in Kyoto lost exactly a week I got there and I

lost exactly a week I got there and I

lost exactly a week I got there and I found that the monastery in character

found that the monastery in character

found that the monastery in character was dangerously close to the English

was dangerously close to the English

was dangerously close to the English boarding schools where I spent so much

boarding schools where I spent so much

boarding schools where I spent so much time it wasn’t just sitting on a wooden

time it wasn’t just sitting on a wooden

time it wasn’t just sitting on a wooden platform contemplating the moon and

platform contemplating the moon and

platform contemplating the moon and writing depthless haiku it was scrubbing

writing depthless haiku it was scrubbing

writing depthless haiku it was scrubbing and cleaning things and being out at

and cleaning things and being out at

and cleaning things and being out at dawn and cold showers that Hulk had a

dawn and cold showers that Hulk had a

dawn and cold showers that Hulk had a military monastic thing that we’ve been

military monastic thing that we’ve been

military monastic thing that we’ve been trained in so I bailed out after a week

trained in so I bailed out after a week

trained in so I bailed out after a week and my third week there I went to a

and my third week there I went to a

and my third week there I went to a temple ceremony in one of the great old

temple ceremony in one of the great old

temple ceremony in one of the great old zen temples of kyoto tofukuji and I

zen temples of kyoto tofukuji and I

zen temples of kyoto tofukuji and I found myself next to a young woman and

found myself next to a young woman and

found myself next to a young woman and very quickly we found ourselves closer

very quickly we found ourselves closer

very quickly we found ourselves closer and closer and so my year living in a

and closer and so my year living in a

and closer and so my year living in a temple contemplating silence and

temple contemplating silence and

temple contemplating silence and solitude as I’d seen it became in fact a

solitude as I’d seen it became in fact a

solitude as I’d seen it became in fact a year about seeing her turn her life

year about seeing her turn her life

year about seeing her turn her life around because when I met her and when I

around because when I met her and when I

around because when I met her and when I grew close to her she was married with

grew close to her she was married with

grew close to her she was married with two children and as fast as her country

two children and as fast as her country

two children and as fast as her country transformed itself after World War two

transformed itself after World War two

transformed itself after World War two she transformed her life in the next few

she transformed her life in the next few

she transformed her life in the next few months when I met her she’d never been

months when I met her she’d never been

months when I met her she’d never been on a plane she’d never been really

on a plane she’d never been really

on a plane she’d never been really outside her hometown of Kyoto and a few

outside her hometown of Kyoto and a few

outside her hometown of Kyoto and a few months later she was an international

months later she was an international

months later she was an international tour guide leading even more bewildered

tour guide leading even more bewildered

tour guide leading even more bewildered Japanese around the globe and it’s an

Japanese around the globe and it’s an

Japanese around the globe and it’s an interesting example so I think the first

interesting example so I think the first

interesting example so I think the first rule of travel is the minute you arrive

rule of travel is the minute you arrive

rule of travel is the minute you arrive somewhere all your plans go out the

somewhere all your plans go out the

somewhere all your plans go out the window something else to take it over as

window something else to take it over as

window something else to take it over as something wiser than you and do you see

something wiser than you and do you see

something wiser than you and do you see the limitations or insufficiency of your

the limitations or insufficiency of your

the limitations or insufficiency of your plans and this is a perfect example and

plans and this is a perfect example and

plans and this is a perfect example and yet the sequel and I’m not spoiling it I

yet the sequel and I’m not spoiling it I

yet the sequel and I’m not spoiling it I think too much is 25 years later now

think too much is 25 years later now

think too much is 25 years later now I’ve never left Kyoto I’ve never left

I’ve never left Kyoto I’ve never left

I’ve never left Kyoto I’ve never left that woman and we live in a place more

that woman and we live in a place more

that woman and we live in a place more monastic than the monastery I checked

monastic than the monastery I checked

monastic than the monastery I checked into it’s a two-room place in the middle

into it’s a two-room place in the middle

into it’s a two-room place in the middle of nowhere we don’t have a printer or a

of nowhere we don’t have a printer or a

of nowhere we don’t have a printer or a car

car

car bicycle or it’s so tiny you can’t even

bicycle or it’s so tiny you can’t even

bicycle or it’s so tiny you can’t even open the bathroom door and again

open the bathroom door and again

open the bathroom door and again whatever instinct sent me to the

whatever instinct sent me to the

whatever instinct sent me to the monastery was correct but I maybe I

monastery was correct but I maybe I

monastery was correct but I maybe I wasn’t ready for it at that time and I

wasn’t ready for it at that time and I

wasn’t ready for it at that time and I had to enter the world more marry a

had to enter the world more marry a

had to enter the world more marry a woman become stepfather to two children

woman become stepfather to two children

woman become stepfather to two children and finally a quarter of a century later

and finally a quarter of a century later

and finally a quarter of a century later be Japanese enough to really understand

be Japanese enough to really understand

be Japanese enough to really understand what the Japanese monastery is about

what the Japanese monastery is about

what the Japanese monastery is about because when I went there was only the

because when I went there was only the

because when I went there was only the fantasy of Japanese quiet I was in love

fantasy of Japanese quiet I was in love

fantasy of Japanese quiet I was in love with and now I feel japan has entered me

with and now I feel japan has entered me

with and now I feel japan has entered me sufficiently that I’m ready to open the

sufficiently that I’m ready to open the

sufficiently that I’m ready to open the door to what I was looking for them so

door to what I was looking for them so

door to what I was looking for them so those a few of the things that I see

those a few of the things that I see

those a few of the things that I see when I when I look at that camera when

when I when I look at that camera when

when I when I look at that camera when you went to Japan first you were a

you went to Japan first you were a

you went to Japan first you were a traveler even though you felt that Japan

traveler even though you felt that Japan

traveler even though you felt that Japan was some place you felt instinctual II

was some place you felt instinctual II

was some place you felt instinctual II at home yeah at what point does Japan

at home yeah at what point does Japan

at home yeah at what point does Japan feel like home now mmm

feel like home now mmm

feel like home now mmm it felt like home then and the reason I

it felt like home then and the reason I

it felt like home then and the reason I went there was it instantly makes sense

went there was it instantly makes sense

went there was it instantly makes sense to me and also I thought this is a place

to me and also I thought this is a place

to me and also I thought this is a place whose values I want to learn I work at

whose values I want to learn I work at

whose values I want to learn I work at my stepdaughters desk so it’s a tiny

my stepdaughters desk so it’s a tiny

my stepdaughters desk so it’s a tiny space filled with pictures of Brad Pitt

space filled with pictures of Brad Pitt

space filled with pictures of Brad Pitt and indeed the aforementioned Hello

and indeed the aforementioned Hello

and indeed the aforementioned Hello Kitty I don’t have a space of my own I

Kitty I don’t have a space of my own I

Kitty I don’t have a space of my own I sleep on a couch in the living room

sleep on a couch in the living room

sleep on a couch in the living room I have no TV I can dance and no

I have no TV I can dance and no

I have no TV I can dance and no newspapers no magazines no until

newspapers no magazines no until

newspapers no magazines no until recently high-speed Internet no bicycle

recently high-speed Internet no bicycle

recently high-speed Internet no bicycle no car no anything so my whole days are

no car no anything so my whole days are

no car no anything so my whole days are spent within four square block radius

spent within four square block radius

spent within four square block radius really and it seems like the ultimate

really and it seems like the ultimate

really and it seems like the ultimate luxury that you know happiness or

luxury that you know happiness or

luxury that you know happiness or affluence is not a matter of what you

affluence is not a matter of what you

affluence is not a matter of what you have but what you don’t need and it

have but what you don’t need and it

have but what you don’t need and it seems to me as if I have almost anything

seems to me as if I have almost anything

seems to me as if I have almost anything that I could have wanted which is why I

that I could have wanted which is why I

that I could have wanted which is why I moved from midtown Manhattan where there

moved from midtown Manhattan where there

moved from midtown Manhattan where there was more material abundance and plenty

was more material abundance and plenty

was more material abundance and plenty than now but but something else missing

than now but but something else missing

than now but but something else missing more more invisibly so every day when I

more more invisibly so every day when I

more more invisibly so every day when I wake up it seems as if the day lasts a

wake up it seems as if the day lasts a

wake up it seems as if the day lasts a thousand hours so all I sit down and I

thousand hours so all I sit down and I

thousand hours so all I sit down and I write for many hours at this child’s

write for many hours at this child’s

write for many hours at this child’s desk and then I can take walks and then

desk and then I can take walks and then

desk and then I can take walks and then I can sit out on the Sun we have a

I can sit out on the Sun we have a

I can sit out on the Sun we have a three-foot long Terrace so

three-foot long Terrace so

three-foot long Terrace so it’s the size of the stripe here but I

it’s the size of the stripe here but I

it’s the size of the stripe here but I can sit there eating tangerines burying

can sit there eating tangerines burying

can sit there eating tangerines burying myself in long books that I would never

myself in long books that I would never

myself in long books that I would never have the chance to read if I was in

have the chance to read if I was in

have the chance to read if I was in California or somewhere nearer to

California or somewhere nearer to

California or somewhere nearer to civilization then I play furious 2 hours

civilization then I play furious 2 hours

civilization then I play furious 2 hours of ping-pong with the local

of ping-pong with the local

of ping-pong with the local grandmother’s and some of the

grandmother’s and some of the

grandmother’s and some of the grandfathers also and that’s been my

grandfathers also and that’s been my

grandfathers also and that’s been my entree into Japanese society and then I

entree into Japanese society and then I

entree into Japanese society and then I still have six hours left before I have

still have six hours left before I have

still have six hours left before I have to go to sleep so somehow or other it

to go to sleep so somehow or other it

to go to sleep so somehow or other it seems the most spacious kind of

seems the most spacious kind of

seems the most spacious kind of existence I can imagine and there’s it’s

existence I can imagine and there’s it’s

existence I can imagine and there’s it’s a way of learning about stillness and

a way of learning about stillness and

a way of learning about stillness and concentration which I think are two of

concentration which I think are two of

concentration which I think are two of the Japanese gift right right now I

the Japanese gift right right now I

the Japanese gift right right now I totally understand and I think that for

totally understand and I think that for

totally understand and I think that for you especially given your cosmopolitan

you especially given your cosmopolitan

you especially given your cosmopolitan background Japan is a really comfortable

background Japan is a really comfortable

background Japan is a really comfortable place to be in a lot of ways I mean you

place to be in a lot of ways I mean you

place to be in a lot of ways I mean you grew up homeless which I think made you

grew up homeless which I think made you

grew up homeless which I think made you find home in a different way yes you

find home in a different way yes you

find home in a different way yes you define it differently and you absorb it

define it differently and you absorb it

define it differently and you absorb it differently no I think that’s true and

differently no I think that’s true and

differently no I think that’s true and part of being at home for me as being a

part of being at home for me as being a

part of being at home for me as being a foreigner and I’m comfortable in that

foreigner and I’m comfortable in that

foreigner and I’m comfortable in that sense of displacing us of being an

sense of displacing us of being an

sense of displacing us of being an outsider because I was a little boy of

outsider because I was a little boy of

outsider because I was a little boy of indian-origin growing up in England and

indian-origin growing up in England and

indian-origin growing up in England and then a little boy with Indian skin and

then a little boy with Indian skin and

then a little boy with Indian skin and an English voice growing up in

an English voice growing up in

an English voice growing up in California from the age of seven and

California from the age of seven and

California from the age of seven and then from the age of nine I was going

then from the age of nine I was going

then from the age of nine I was going back and forth six times a year as I

back and forth six times a year as I

back and forth six times a year as I described in this book by myself between

described in this book by myself between

described in this book by myself between 60s California and a boarding school set

60s California and a boarding school set

60s California and a boarding school set up in 1440 you absolutely right I think

up in 1440 you absolutely right I think

up in 1440 you absolutely right I think for me you can imagine I quickly felt

for me you can imagine I quickly felt

for me you can imagine I quickly felt that I didn’t fully belong to England

that I didn’t fully belong to England

that I didn’t fully belong to England and I couldn’t fully claim to belong to

and I couldn’t fully claim to belong to

and I couldn’t fully claim to belong to California but really where I was at

California but really where I was at

California but really where I was at home was in the movement between them

home was in the movement between them

home was in the movement between them the combinations between the passages in

the combinations between the passages in

the combinations between the passages in some ways in all senses and the fact of

some ways in all senses and the fact of

some ways in all senses and the fact of commuting and I didn’t think I don’t

commuting and I didn’t think I don’t

commuting and I didn’t think I don’t think that’s so interesting but when I

think that’s so interesting but when I

think that’s so interesting but when I was doing that I didn’t meet many people

was doing that I didn’t meet many people

was doing that I didn’t meet many people in that same position and even though

in that same position and even though

in that same position and even though the lights are fairly dim now and I look

the lights are fairly dim now and I look

the lights are fairly dim now and I look across a room like this

across a room like this

across a room like this I’m guessing 30 or 40 percent of the

I’m guessing 30 or 40 percent of the

I’m guessing 30 or 40 percent of the people in this room have many many

people in this room have many many

people in this room have many many different cultures inside them and in

different cultures inside them and in

different cultures inside them and in some ways my compatriots because they

some ways my compatriots because they

some ways my compatriots because they belong to this realm of the floating

belong to this realm of the floating

belong to this realm of the floating home and they have many many different

home and they have many many different

home and they have many many different places a culture associated with

places a culture associated with

places a culture associated with and another may be with their partners

and another may be with their partners

and another may be with their partners and another with Washington DC and

and another with Washington DC and

and another with Washington DC and another with the place they dream of and

another with the place they dream of and

another with the place they dream of and their whole life is going to be spent

their whole life is going to be spent

their whole life is going to be spent bringing all these places together and

bringing all these places together and

bringing all these places together and trying to make a kind of stained-glass

trying to make a kind of stained-glass

trying to make a kind of stained-glass hole out of them but home will be a work

hole out of them but home will be a work

hole out of them but home will be a work in progress for them and a home has less

in progress for them and a home has less

in progress for them and a home has less and less to do with a piece of soil and

and less to do with a piece of soil and

and less to do with a piece of soil and more and more to do with a piece of soul

more and more to do with a piece of soul

more and more to do with a piece of soul exactly as you said that home is

exactly as you said that home is

exactly as you said that home is something internal for those of us who

something internal for those of us who

something internal for those of us who aren’t rooted in geography and if you if

aren’t rooted in geography and if you if

aren’t rooted in geography and if you if your home is internal you’re so right

your home is internal you’re so right

your home is internal you’re so right you can go to a seemingly foreign place

you can go to a seemingly foreign place

you can go to a seemingly foreign place like Japan it will always be foreign and

like Japan it will always be foreign and

like Japan it will always be foreign and yet it’s somehow enriches and deepens

yet it’s somehow enriches and deepens

yet it’s somehow enriches and deepens the India and the England and the

the India and the England and the

the India and the England and the California in me and it just can be

California in me and it just can be

California in me and it just can be another part of the puzzle that throws

another part of the puzzle that throws

another part of the puzzle that throws light on the other places well one of

light on the other places well one of

light on the other places well one of the questions or thoughts that kept

the questions or thoughts that kept

the questions or thoughts that kept coming into my mind reading your new

coming into my mind reading your new

coming into my mind reading your new book the man within my head was just

book the man within my head was just

book the man within my head was just this image of you as a nine year old

this image of you as a nine year old

this image of you as a nine year old traveling solo California to England to

traveling solo California to England to

traveling solo California to England to go to school back to California for

go to school back to California for

go to school back to California for vacations and I just thought how how did

vacations and I just thought how how did

vacations and I just thought how how did that affect you what do you remember

that affect you what do you remember

that affect you what do you remember from those flights what was it like as a

from those flights what was it like as a

from those flights what was it like as a nine-year-old to be doing this all the

nine-year-old to be doing this all the

nine-year-old to be doing this all the time the actual process of travel was

time the actual process of travel was

time the actual process of travel was exhilarating because if you’re nine

exhilarating because if you’re nine

exhilarating because if you’re nine years old and I think it’s still the

years old and I think it’s still the

years old and I think it’s still the case you wanna come unaccompanied minor

case you wanna come unaccompanied minor

case you wanna come unaccompanied minor so I would remember my parents would

so I would remember my parents would

so I would remember my parents would drive me down to Los Angeles Airport

drive me down to Los Angeles Airport

drive me down to Los Angeles Airport commit me to the care of usually a very

commit me to the care of usually a very

commit me to the care of usually a very very kind solicitous and quite glamorous

very kind solicitous and quite glamorous

very kind solicitous and quite glamorous Pan Am or TWA cabin attendant she would

Pan Am or TWA cabin attendant she would

Pan Am or TWA cabin attendant she would take my papers away so there went my

take my papers away so there went my

take my papers away so there went my identity I was already on the way to

identity I was already on the way to

identity I was already on the way to being a new person leave me by the hand

being a new person leave me by the hand

being a new person leave me by the hand into the plane and say coca-cola peanuts

into the plane and say coca-cola peanuts

into the plane and say coca-cola peanuts headphones whatever you want we will

headphones whatever you want we will

headphones whatever you want we will look after you and I was between the

look after you and I was between the

look after you and I was between the rival authorities of my parents who are

rival authorities of my parents who are

rival authorities of my parents who are actually very kind but probably wouldn’t

actually very kind but probably wouldn’t

actually very kind but probably wouldn’t have wanted to spoil me too much and a

have wanted to spoil me too much and a

have wanted to spoil me too much and a school where we had to run through

school where we had to run through

school where we had to run through showers cold showers every morning at

showers cold showers every morning at

showers cold showers every morning at 6:00 a.m. and there was a lot of

6:00 a.m. and there was a lot of

6:00 a.m. and there was a lot of corporal punishment and all the boys

corporal punishment and all the boys

corporal punishment and all the boys were allowed to beat younger boys in

were allowed to beat younger boys in

were allowed to beat younger boys in fact encouraged to do so and in between

fact encouraged to do so and in between

fact encouraged to do so and in between you know San Quentin and Alcatraz I was

you know San Quentin and Alcatraz I was

you know San Quentin and Alcatraz I was from its lands where all the cabin

from its lands where all the cabin

from its lands where all the cabin attendants were dancing attention and

attendants were dancing attention and

attendants were dancing attention and trying to make my life as wonderful as

trying to make my life as wonderful as

trying to make my life as wonderful as it could be mmm

it could be mmm

it could be mmm I remember Raquel Welch who had just

I remember Raquel Welch who had just

I remember Raquel Welch who had just appeared in an animal skin bikini and

appeared in an animal skin bikini and

appeared in an animal skin bikini and 10,000 years BC or whatever she’s

10,000 years BC or whatever she’s

10,000 years BC or whatever she’s standing right in front of me in the

standing right in front of me in the

standing right in front of me in the check in line once and I used to go back

check in line once and I used to go back

check in line once and I used to go back to England you in about this time

to England you in about this time

to England you in about this time actually so it was right after the

actually so it was right after the

actually so it was right after the Academy Awards and they’re always

Academy Awards and they’re always

Academy Awards and they’re always British technicians waving their gold

British technicians waving their gold

British technicians waving their gold Oscars on the wane and all kinds of

Oscars on the wane and all kinds of

Oscars on the wane and all kinds of excitements that so I suppose for child

excitements that so I suppose for child

excitements that so I suppose for child it was my Dickensian wonder worlds every

it was my Dickensian wonder worlds every

it was my Dickensian wonder worlds every every child finds his own amusement park

every child finds his own amusement park

every child finds his own amusement park really added the world around him and

really added the world around him and

really added the world around him and that was it and then when I arrived at

that was it and then when I arrived at

that was it and then when I arrived at the other end and this really induced

the other end and this really induced

the other end and this really induced bad habits in me I had a choice I would

bad habits in me I had a choice I would

bad habits in me I had a choice I would get but get there at noon and kids had

get but get there at noon and kids had

get but get there at noon and kids had to be back in the boarding school at

to be back in the boarding school at

to be back in the boarding school at 8:00 say so I realized if I went back I

8:00 say so I realized if I went back I

8:00 say so I realized if I went back I would be the only kid there for eight

would be the only kid there for eight

would be the only kid there for eight hours and the target of every form of

hours and the target of every form of

hours and the target of every form of abuse from all the the teachers who were

abuse from all the the teachers who were

abuse from all the the teachers who were there looking for some small victim so I

there looking for some small victim so I

there looking for some small victim so I would just put my huge suitcase out on

would just put my huge suitcase out on

would just put my huge suitcase out on the sculpted chairs and Heathrow and

the sculpted chairs and Heathrow and

the sculpted chairs and Heathrow and just go to sleep there and many years

just go to sleep there and many years

just go to sleep there and many years later I remember sometimes when I was a

later I remember sometimes when I was a

later I remember sometimes when I was a teenager I would spend day after day

teenager I would spend day after day

teenager I would spend day after day after day sleeping in Miami Airport and

after day sleeping in Miami Airport and

after day sleeping in Miami Airport and later of course I went to live in Los

later of course I went to live in Los

later of course I went to live in Los Angeles Airport as an adult

Angeles Airport as an adult

Angeles Airport as an adult ostensibly at altar for two weeks and so

ostensibly at altar for two weeks and so

ostensibly at altar for two weeks and so it set all kinds of habits loose in me

it set all kinds of habits loose in me

it set all kinds of habits loose in me but I think one of the main ones was

but I think one of the main ones was

but I think one of the main ones was being very comfortable in the process of

being very comfortable in the process of

being very comfortable in the process of travel and maybe not so good at settling

travel and maybe not so good at settling

travel and maybe not so good at settling down in any community but certainly

down in any community but certainly

down in any community but certainly formed or deformed me for life I think

formed or deformed me for life I think

formed or deformed me for life I think and the other thing that that instantly

and the other thing that that instantly

and the other thing that that instantly I was doing going back and forth between

I was doing going back and forth between

I was doing going back and forth between the 15th century in the 1960s and

the 15th century in the 1960s and

the 15th century in the 1960s and between Grateful Dead concerts on the

between Grateful Dead concerts on the

between Grateful Dead concerts on the one side and the Lord’s Prayer in Latin

one side and the Lord’s Prayer in Latin

one side and the Lord’s Prayer in Latin on the other was first I suppose I

on the other was first I suppose I

on the other was first I suppose I always became a bit of a hippie when I

always became a bit of a hippie when I

always became a bit of a hippie when I was in California and something of a

was in California and something of a

was in California and something of a skeptic when I went to England and then

skeptic when I went to England and then

skeptic when I went to England and then being a crafty little boy so it was much

being a crafty little boy so it was much

being a crafty little boy so it was much better to do it the other way around and

better to do it the other way around and

better to do it the other way around and to be a hippie when I went to England

to be a hippie when I went to England

to be a hippie when I went to England and tell my envious nine-year-old

and tell my envious nine-year-old

and tell my envious nine-year-old classmates I just saw the Grateful Dead

classmates I just saw the Grateful Dead

classmates I just saw the Grateful Dead on Telegraph Avenue and I larger larger

on Telegraph Avenue and I larger larger

on Telegraph Avenue and I larger larger with until come

with until come

with until come the old admiration and then come back

the old admiration and then come back

the old admiration and then come back and quote Latin to my startled friends

and quote Latin to my startled friends

and quote Latin to my startled friends in California it was a it was a training

in California it was a it was a training

in California it was a it was a training I suppose in what’s always been clearly

I suppose in what’s always been clearly

I suppose in what’s always been clearly one of the themes of my writing which is

one of the themes of my writing which is

one of the themes of my writing which is the way cultures project their longings

the way cultures project their longings

the way cultures project their longings or their fantasies or their illusions or

or their fantasies or their illusions or

or their fantasies or their illusions or romances upon the other and I really did

romances upon the other and I really did

romances upon the other and I really did have the distinct sense when I was

have the distinct sense when I was

have the distinct sense when I was growing up most of the little English

growing up most of the little English

growing up most of the little English boys around me had one dream in life and

boys around me had one dream in life and

boys around me had one dream in life and that was to be a Californian because in

that was to be a Californian because in

that was to be a Californian because in 1960s and 1970s it was the place that

1960s and 1970s it was the place that

1960s and 1970s it was the place that represented freedom from the past long

represented freedom from the past long

represented freedom from the past long horizons endless summer you could make

horizons endless summer you could make

horizons endless summer you could make yourself up to be what anything you

yourself up to be what anything you

yourself up to be what anything you wanted and so many people I knew in

wanted and so many people I knew in

wanted and so many people I knew in California seemed to long for the sense

California seemed to long for the sense

California seemed to long for the sense of continuity and groundedness an order

of continuity and groundedness an order

of continuity and groundedness an order that England still has in spades and so

that England still has in spades and so

that England still has in spades and so I saw how each was dreaming of the other

I saw how each was dreaming of the other

I saw how each was dreaming of the other and as you know when I wrote my first

and as you know when I wrote my first

and as you know when I wrote my first book this one I just transplanted it in

book this one I just transplanted it in

book this one I just transplanted it in some ways to the east and the West and

some ways to the east and the West and

some ways to the east and the West and saw how the West’s notions of the east

saw how the West’s notions of the east

saw how the West’s notions of the east collided with the east notions of the

collided with the east notions of the

collided with the east notions of the West and as in any love affair turned

West and as in any love affair turned

West and as in any love affair turned into a confounding dance of genuine

into a confounding dance of genuine

into a confounding dance of genuine fascination and illusion in which each

fascination and illusion in which each

fascination and illusion in which each didn’t know how much he was in love with

didn’t know how much he was in love with

didn’t know how much he was in love with the other and how much with what the

the other and how much with what the

the other and how much with what the other represented or how much the fancy

other represented or how much the fancy

other represented or how much the fancy he projected upon the other so I suppose

he projected upon the other so I suppose

he projected upon the other so I suppose it shaped my thinking in in those ways

it shaped my thinking in in those ways

it shaped my thinking in in those ways and I’ve always seen cultures collide

and I’ve always seen cultures collide

and I’ve always seen cultures collide and seeing them think about one another

and seeing them think about one another

and seeing them think about one another or fail to think about one other has

or fail to think about one other has

or fail to think about one other has become my home environment and I

become my home environment and I

become my home environment and I sometimes think that so many of the

sometimes think that so many of the

sometimes think that so many of the writers I love let’s say they grew up in

writers I love let’s say they grew up in

writers I love let’s say they grew up in Kansas and that is their backdrop and

Kansas and that is their backdrop and

Kansas and that is their backdrop and the place that they know in their sleep

the place that they know in their sleep

the place that they know in their sleep the place they know better than alarm

the place they know better than alarm

the place they know better than alarm lines on their palm they know it’s

lines on their palm they know it’s

lines on their palm they know it’s rituals its secrets its pauses its its

rituals its secrets its pauses its its

rituals its secrets its pauses its its silences and will write about that for

silences and will write about that for

silences and will write about that for the rest of their lives and others have

the rest of their lives and others have

the rest of their lives and others have grown up in Bombay and even if they move

grown up in Bombay and even if they move

grown up in Bombay and even if they move to Toronto say like the great writer

to Toronto say like the great writer

to Toronto say like the great writer Rohinton Mistry

Rohinton Mistry

Rohinton Mistry they’re always walking through those

they’re always walking through those

they’re always walking through those back streets that they know by heart and

back streets that they know by heart and

back streets that they know by heart and MAME and that will be the literary

MAME and that will be the literary

MAME and that will be the literary terrain in some ways so my terrain

terrain in some ways so my terrain

terrain in some ways so my terrain probably is the process of movement and

probably is the process of movement and

probably is the process of movement and the process of watching culture circle

the process of watching culture circle

the process of watching culture circle around one another that’s what what I

around one another that’s what what I

around one another that’s what what I grew up in more than any fixed place

grew up in more than any fixed place

grew up in more than any fixed place when you travel now are you conscious of

when you travel now are you conscious of

when you travel now are you conscious of seeking something when you go somewhere

seeking something when you go somewhere

seeking something when you go somewhere or do you go somewhere and land and and

or do you go somewhere and land and and

or do you go somewhere and land and and just sort of try to absorb the place

just sort of try to absorb the place

just sort of try to absorb the place when you’re there I suppose I always ask

when you’re there I suppose I always ask

when you’re there I suppose I always ask myself a question before I go to a place

myself a question before I go to a place

myself a question before I go to a place but I’m not seeking an answer I think if

but I’m not seeking an answer I think if

but I’m not seeking an answer I think if it’s a good enough question it’ll lead

it’s a good enough question it’ll lead

it’s a good enough question it’ll lead to a better and better and deeper and

to a better and better and deeper and

to a better and better and deeper and deeper question and I think the best

deeper question and I think the best

deeper question and I think the best places are the ones that leave you

places are the ones that leave you

places are the ones that leave you permanently unsettled I remember when I

permanently unsettled I remember when I

permanently unsettled I remember when I used to go to Cuba many years ago the

used to go to Cuba many years ago the

used to go to Cuba many years ago the reason that Cuban never left me and I

reason that Cuban never left me and I

reason that Cuban never left me and I couldn’t get it out of my head like a

couldn’t get it out of my head like a

couldn’t get it out of my head like a song that just keeps on playing and

song that just keeps on playing and

song that just keeps on playing and playing is that I could never get my

playing is that I could never get my

playing is that I could never get my head around it I could never make sense

head around it I could never make sense

head around it I could never make sense of it it was the saddest place I’d ever

of it it was the saddest place I’d ever

of it it was the saddest place I’d ever seen the most exuberant the most

seen the most exuberant the most

seen the most exuberant the most disenchanted the most romantic and

disenchanted the most romantic and

disenchanted the most romantic and idealistic the most dilapidated in some

idealistic the most dilapidated in some

idealistic the most dilapidated in some ways and the most vibrant in others and

ways and the most vibrant in others and

ways and the most vibrant in others and so because it was this cluster of

so because it was this cluster of

so because it was this cluster of paradoxes it it were fused to settle

paradoxes it it were fused to settle

paradoxes it it were fused to settle into my boxed ideas as it were and

into my boxed ideas as it were and

into my boxed ideas as it were and that’s the most wonderful thing of all

that’s the most wonderful thing of all

that’s the most wonderful thing of all because I do think it’s a little fatal

because I do think it’s a little fatal

because I do think it’s a little fatal to seek for anything when you go

to seek for anything when you go

to seek for anything when you go anywhere because expectation defeats

anywhere because expectation defeats

anywhere because expectation defeats itself you probably remember when you

itself you probably remember when you

itself you probably remember when you walk into a temple in Kyoto there’s an

walk into a temple in Kyoto there’s an

walk into a temple in Kyoto there’s an inscription in Japanese that says look

inscription in Japanese that says look

inscription in Japanese that says look beneath your feet

beneath your feet

beneath your feet meaning that why travel all the way

meaning that why travel all the way

meaning that why travel all the way around the world to count the cats in

around the world to count the cats in

around the world to count the cats in Zanzibar whatever you’re looking for you

Zanzibar whatever you’re looking for you

Zanzibar whatever you’re looking for you can find wherever you happen to be I

can find wherever you happen to be I

can find wherever you happen to be I remember I don’t know if I ever told you

remember I don’t know if I ever told you

remember I don’t know if I ever told you a few years ago I went to Tibet and I

a few years ago I went to Tibet and I

a few years ago I went to Tibet and I took my wife there because she’d never

took my wife there because she’d never

took my wife there because she’d never had the chance to go and we had a

had the chance to go and we had a

had the chance to go and we had a wonderful place we drove across these

wonderful place we drove across these

wonderful place we drove across these 14,000 foot passes and we went to the

14,000 foot passes and we went to the

14,000 foot passes and we went to the jokhang temple which is still really the

jokhang temple which is still really the

jokhang temple which is still really the holy epicenter of all Tibet where you

holy epicenter of all Tibet where you

holy epicenter of all Tibet where you see these people who’ve walked for 3-4

see these people who’ve walked for 3-4

see these people who’ve walked for 3-4 months just to get there from the

months just to get there from the

months just to get there from the farthest reaches of Eastern Tibet

farthest reaches of Eastern Tibet

farthest reaches of Eastern Tibet sometimes frustrating every step of the

sometimes frustrating every step of the

sometimes frustrating every step of the way and that faces a street in grime and

way and that faces a street in grime and

way and that faces a street in grime and in this place which is just lit by

in this place which is just lit by

in this place which is just lit by flickering candles you can barely see

flickering candles you can barely see

flickering candles you can barely see their features but you can see the tears

their features but you can see the tears

their features but you can see the tears running down them they’re so so moved

running down them they’re so so moved

running down them they’re so so moved finally to be in the center of the holy

finally to be in the center of the holy

finally to be in the center of the holy city so we had a lot of remarkable

city so we had a lot of remarkable

city so we had a lot of remarkable experiences as anybody does when he or

experiences as anybody does when he or

experiences as anybody does when he or she goes to Tibet and then I flew back

she goes to Tibet and then I flew back

she goes to Tibet and then I flew back to California to my mother’s house

to California to my mother’s house

to California to my mother’s house and of course I was jet-lagged and

and of course I was jet-lagged and

and of course I was jet-lagged and suffering from reverse culture shock and

suffering from reverse culture shock and

suffering from reverse culture shock and the little discombobulated little sad to

the little discombobulated little sad to

the little discombobulated little sad to be outside Tibet and I couldn’t settle

be outside Tibet and I couldn’t settle

be outside Tibet and I couldn’t settle to anything Restless and finally I just

to anything Restless and finally I just

to anything Restless and finally I just got into my car and I drove ten minutes

got into my car and I drove ten minutes

got into my car and I drove ten minutes up the road from my mother’s house and I

up the road from my mother’s house and I

up the road from my mother’s house and I because I hadn’t really settled into my

because I hadn’t really settled into my

because I hadn’t really settled into my routine I was seeing it a little as if a

routine I was seeing it a little as if a

routine I was seeing it a little as if a foreigner or as if a sort of jerk

foreigner or as if a sort of jerk

foreigner or as if a sort of jerk jet-black stupefied altered state kind

jet-black stupefied altered state kind

jet-black stupefied altered state kind of creature and suddenly I noticed it in

of creature and suddenly I noticed it in

of creature and suddenly I noticed it in front of me on one side was the great

front of me on one side was the great

front of me on one side was the great blue expanse of the Pacific and on the

blue expanse of the Pacific and on the

blue expanse of the Pacific and on the other side was really after Ridge of

other side was really after Ridge of

other side was really after Ridge of completely untouched mountains and there

completely untouched mountains and there

completely untouched mountains and there were caves with ancient aboriginal so to

were caves with ancient aboriginal so to

were caves with ancient aboriginal so to speak indigenous paintings in them and

speak indigenous paintings in them and

speak indigenous paintings in them and there was not a trace of human

there was not a trace of human

there was not a trace of human habitation for as far as I could see on

habitation for as far as I could see on

habitation for as far as I could see on either side for forty five minutes as I

either side for forty five minutes as I

either side for forty five minutes as I was driving across the mountains and I

was driving across the mountains and I

was driving across the mountains and I suddenly thought if I were to Burton or

suddenly thought if I were to Burton or

suddenly thought if I were to Burton or Burmese or Cuban or somebody from

Burmese or Cuban or somebody from

Burmese or Cuban or somebody from anywhere else this would see in the most

anywhere else this would see in the most

anywhere else this would see in the most remarkable place in the world this place

remarkable place in the world this place

remarkable place in the world this place ten minutes for my mother’s home is as

ten minutes for my mother’s home is as

ten minutes for my mother’s home is as beautiful and transporting and radiant

beautiful and transporting and radiant

beautiful and transporting and radiant as maybe more radiant than anything I

as maybe more radiant than anything I

as maybe more radiant than anything I saw in Tibet but it needed those new

saw in Tibet but it needed those new

saw in Tibet but it needed those new eyes or unsettle eyes confused eyes to

eyes or unsettle eyes confused eyes to

eyes or unsettle eyes confused eyes to be able to see it and every time I come

be able to see it and every time I come

be able to see it and every time I come back from a trip I always say well I’m

back from a trip I always say well I’m

back from a trip I always say well I’m going to look around my hometown as if I

going to look around my hometown as if I

going to look around my hometown as if I were foreigner and after about two days

were foreigner and after about two days

were foreigner and after about two days that resolve gets but not really exactly

that resolve gets but not really exactly

that resolve gets but not really exactly at last but if you can do it then then

at last but if you can do it then then

at last but if you can do it then then you realize that you don’t have to go

you realize that you don’t have to go

you realize that you don’t have to go across the world to find whatever

across the world to find whatever

across the world to find whatever transformation or illumination you’re

transformation or illumination you’re

transformation or illumination you’re searching right right one of the things

searching right right one of the things

searching right right one of the things who you and I have often said is that

who you and I have often said is that

who you and I have often said is that one of the gifts of travel is that you

one of the gifts of travel is that you

one of the gifts of travel is that you appreciate your own place better your

appreciate your own place better your

appreciate your own place better your your home better your country better

your home better your country better

your home better your country better yeah well picot thank you I mean you one

yeah well picot thank you I mean you one

yeah well picot thank you I mean you one of the great gifts that you give us is

of the great gifts that you give us is

of the great gifts that you give us is that you you paint that very serum and

that you you paint that very serum and

that you you paint that very serum and the flower in the room you you turn the

the flower in the room you you turn the

the flower in the room you you turn the world into that for us you make it clear

world into that for us you make it clear

world into that for us you make it clear you make it many layered and rich and I

you make it many layered and rich and I

you make it many layered and rich and I think you help us appreciate all of the

think you help us appreciate all of the

think you help us appreciate all of the complexities of the world that we go out

complexities of the world that we go out

complexities of the world that we go out to and encounter every day and we don’t

to and encounter every day and we don’t

to and encounter every day and we don’t pay attention to when I read you I

pay attention to when I read you I

pay attention to when I read you I really she ate them and I really really

really she ate them and I really really

really she ate them and I really really Vasily as possible with

Vasily as possible with

Vasily as possible with as much hearten as much mind and you’re

as much hearten as much mind and you’re

as much hearten as much mind and you’re a great exemplar of that thank you very

a great exemplar of that thank you very

a great exemplar of that thank you very very much thank you for tonight

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