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thank you all for being here tonight and

thank you all for being here tonight and listening to us tell you a little bit

listening to us tell you a little bit

listening to us tell you a little bit about curiosity so starting out with why

about curiosity so starting out with why

about curiosity so starting out with why Gale Crater well here’s a map of Mars

Gale Crater well here’s a map of Mars

Gale Crater well here’s a map of Mars we’ve landed in six locations before

we’ve landed in six locations before

we’ve landed in six locations before curiosity why do you need to go for a

curiosity why do you need to go for a

curiosity why do you need to go for a seventh haven’t we haven’t we been all

seventh haven’t we haven’t we been all

seventh haven’t we haven’t we been all over the planet it looks kind of like a

over the planet it looks kind of like a

over the planet it looks kind of like a shotgun blast to me here in terms of the

shotgun blast to me here in terms of the

shotgun blast to me here in terms of the yellow marks well Mars is a smaller

yellow marks well Mars is a smaller

yellow marks well Mars is a smaller planet than the earth but without oceans

planet than the earth but without oceans

planet than the earth but without oceans it’s got about the same land area as the

it’s got about the same land area as the

it’s got about the same land area as the surface of the earth and I travel a fair

surface of the earth and I travel a fair

surface of the earth and I travel a fair amount more than I’d like to but if I’d

amount more than I’d like to but if I’d

amount more than I’d like to but if I’d only been to six places on the surface

only been to six places on the surface

only been to six places on the surface of the earth I wouldn’t know much about

of the earth I wouldn’t know much about

of the earth I wouldn’t know much about it let me give you one example there’s a

it let me give you one example there’s a

it let me give you one example there’s a place where I used to live in western

place where I used to live in western

place where I used to live in western New York called Letchworth State Parks

New York called Letchworth State Parks

New York called Letchworth State Parks called the Grand Canyon of the east

called the Grand Canyon of the east

called the Grand Canyon of the east fabulous place but if I’d never been out

fabulous place but if I’d never been out

fabulous place but if I’d never been out west and didn’t know about the Grand

west and didn’t know about the Grand

west and didn’t know about the Grand Canyon it’d be kind of a different story

Canyon it’d be kind of a different story

Canyon it’d be kind of a different story in terms of where I might choose to go

in terms of where I might choose to go

in terms of where I might choose to go but what if the rocks in the Grand

but what if the rocks in the Grand

but what if the rocks in the Grand Canyon weren’t of interest and the ones

Canyon weren’t of interest and the ones

Canyon weren’t of interest and the ones in Letchworth State Park even though

in Letchworth State Park even though

in Letchworth State Park even though it’s smaller were so what you really

it’s smaller were so what you really

it’s smaller were so what you really need when you’re looking at landing

need when you’re looking at landing

need when you’re looking at landing sites is not only do you have to know

sites is not only do you have to know

sites is not only do you have to know something about the planet and where the

something about the planet and where the

something about the planet and where the good places are but you’ve got to bring

good places are but you’ve got to bring

good places are but you’ve got to bring together the expertise to be able to

together the expertise to be able to

together the expertise to be able to look at those places and find out which

look at those places and find out which

look at those places and find out which ones are the most relevant for the kinds

ones are the most relevant for the kinds

ones are the most relevant for the kinds of things that you want to accomplish

of things that you want to accomplish

of things that you want to accomplish with your mission so we started with

with your mission so we started with

with your mission so we started with about 65 landing site candidates from

about 65 landing site candidates from

about 65 landing site candidates from our science laboratory curiosity we

our science laboratory curiosity we

our science laboratory curiosity we whittled it down to the final four that

whittled it down to the final four that

whittled it down to the final four that you see here in white holding crater

you see here in white holding crater

you see here in white holding crater Evers vivaldi Crater Mars Valles and of

Evers vivaldi Crater Mars Valles and of

Evers vivaldi Crater Mars Valles and of course Gale Crater where we ended up

course Gale Crater where we ended up

course Gale Crater where we ended up going and just to give you a sense of

going and just to give you a sense of

going and just to give you a sense of what we found attractive about those

what we found attractive about those

what we found attractive about those four places and I’ll point out that the

four places and I’ll point out that the

four places and I’ll point out that the yellow ellipses that you see here are

yellow ellipses that you see here are

yellow ellipses that you see here are all 25 kilometers long by 20 kilometers

all 25 kilometers long by 20 kilometers

all 25 kilometers long by 20 kilometers high we’ve got Martha Valles in the

high we’ve got Martha Valles in the

high we’ve got Martha Valles in the upper left

upper left

upper left there’s the stratigraphy these layers of

there’s the stratigraphy these layers of

there’s the stratigraphy these layers of rock that we see there that we see a

rock that we see there that we see a

rock that we see there that we see a sense of different kinds of clays from

sense of different kinds of clays from

sense of different kinds of clays from top to bottom and it’s an ancient

top to bottom and it’s an ancient

top to bottom and it’s an ancient ancient set of rocks that tell us

ancient set of rocks that tell us

ancient set of rocks that tell us something about the earliest history of

something about the earliest history of

something about the earliest history of the planet a question about Mars was how

the planet a question about Mars was how

the planet a question about Mars was how did those rocks get to be there and we

did those rocks get to be there and we

did those rocks get to be there and we never really could get a handle on that

never really could get a handle on that

never really could get a handle on that although work has been moving for

although work has been moving for

although work has been moving for or down here in the lower left we see a

or down here in the lower left we see a

or down here in the lower left we see a place called Holden crater it’s about

place called Holden crater it’s about

place called Holden crater it’s about the same size as Gale Crater about a

the same size as Gale Crater about a

the same size as Gale Crater about a hundred miles across and here we see

hundred miles across and here we see

hundred miles across and here we see along the side of the crater sediments

along the side of the crater sediments

along the side of the crater sediments that have been washed down into a big

that have been washed down into a big

that have been washed down into a big fan it’s the best alluvial system

fan it’s the best alluvial system

fan it’s the best alluvial system preserved on Mars over here in the lower

preserved on Mars over here in the lower

preserved on Mars over here in the lower right we see a burs of all the Delta a

right we see a burs of all the Delta a

right we see a burs of all the Delta a place where we might go in sample

place where we might go in sample

place where we might go in sample sediments that are deposited by water

sediments that are deposited by water

sediments that are deposited by water running down through a river in the

running down through a river in the

running down through a river in the ancient past the problem or question

ancient past the problem or question

ancient past the problem or question about these two on the bottom where they

about these two on the bottom where they

about these two on the bottom where they occur relatively late in Mars history

occur relatively late in Mars history

occur relatively late in Mars history compared to when we think it was the

compared to when we think it was the

compared to when we think it was the wettest and if we got there we’re seeing

wettest and if we got there we’re seeing

wettest and if we got there we’re seeing a fairly narrow period in the history of

a fairly narrow period in the history of

a fairly narrow period in the history of Mars so we want to know relative to

Mars so we want to know relative to

Mars so we want to know relative to habitability when those things occurred

habitability when those things occurred

habitability when those things occurred we might want to sample a place where

we might want to sample a place where

we might want to sample a place where the section that’s preserved is much

the section that’s preserved is much

the section that’s preserved is much older and that brings us to Gale up here

older and that brings us to Gale up here

older and that brings us to Gale up here in the upper right you’ll notice that in

in the upper right you’ll notice that in

in the upper right you’ll notice that in this hundred mile across crater 150

this hundred mile across crater 150

this hundred mile across crater 150 kilometers across there’s this mountain

kilometers across there’s this mountain

kilometers across there’s this mountain of material five kilometers or three

of material five kilometers or three

of material five kilometers or three miles high and the layers that are in

miles high and the layers that are in

miles high and the layers that are in that mountain are very much like pages

that mountain are very much like pages

that mountain are very much like pages or chapters in a book and when we look

or chapters in a book and when we look

or chapters in a book and when we look at the chemistry or the chemical

at the chemistry or the chemical

at the chemistry or the chemical composition of those layers we see a

composition of those layers we see a

composition of those layers we see a transition from the kinds of things that

transition from the kinds of things that

transition from the kinds of things that were deposited in water and wet

were deposited in water and wet

were deposited in water and wet conditions near the bottom to drier

conditions near the bottom to drier

conditions near the bottom to drier things as we move up through the section

things as we move up through the section

things as we move up through the section and so Gale became a chance to sort of

and so Gale became a chance to sort of

and so Gale became a chance to sort of read the chapters related to the

read the chapters related to the

read the chapters related to the changing environment on Mars from when

changing environment on Mars from when

changing environment on Mars from when it was wetter to when it’s relatively

it was wetter to when it’s relatively

it was wetter to when it’s relatively dry today and that’s why we picked Gale

dry today and that’s why we picked Gale

dry today and that’s why we picked Gale Crater Gale Crater lies across this

Crater Gale Crater lies across this

Crater Gale Crater lies across this transition on Mars what you see here is

transition on Mars what you see here is

transition on Mars what you see here is topography where the yellows and the

topography where the yellows and the

topography where the yellows and the Reds are relatively high and the blues

Reds are relatively high and the blues

Reds are relatively high and the blues and purples are low and Gale right there

and purples are low and Gale right there

and purples are low and Gale right there in the middle straddles this boundary

in the middle straddles this boundary

in the middle straddles this boundary called the planetary dichotomy and what

called the planetary dichotomy and what

called the planetary dichotomy and what we see here already visible is this

we see here already visible is this

we see here already visible is this Mound this mountain of material Mount

Mound this mountain of material Mount

Mound this mountain of material Mount sharp if we zoom in on the crater proper

sharp if we zoom in on the crater proper

sharp if we zoom in on the crater proper we’re looking across here towards the

we’re looking across here towards the

we’re looking across here towards the south and on the north side between the

south and on the north side between the

south and on the north side between the small crater that you see in the middle

small crater that you see in the middle

small crater that you see in the middle in the mountain is about where we were

in the mountain is about where we were

in the mountain is about where we were planning to land so we wanted to land

planning to land so we wanted to land

planning to land so we wanted to land and be able to drive directly over to

and be able to drive directly over to

and be able to drive directly over to the flank of the mountain transitioning

the flank of the mountain transitioning

the flank of the mountain transitioning up between these layers of material

up between these layers of material

up between these layers of material these chapters in the book telling us

these chapters in the book telling us

these chapters in the book telling us about the environmental history of Mars

about the environmental history of Mars

about the environmental history of Mars but there was another target there a

but there was another target there a

but there was another target there a small channel that runs down the wall of

small channel that runs down the wall of

small channel that runs down the wall of the crater

the crater

the crater this is a closer view now the top of the

this is a closer view now the top of the

this is a closer view now the top of the crater is now to the north so I’ve

crater is now to the north so I’ve

crater is now to the north so I’ve turned things around on you this is an

turned things around on you this is an

turned things around on you this is an image from the Mars Reconnaissance

image from the Mars Reconnaissance

image from the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter there’s this incredible synergy

Orbiter there’s this incredible synergy

Orbiter there’s this incredible synergy between the cameras that we have in

between the cameras that we have in

between the cameras that we have in orbit and the pictures that we can take

orbit and the pictures that we can take

orbit and the pictures that we can take of the surface and the things that we

of the surface and the things that we

of the surface and the things that we can do on the surface to ground truth

can do on the surface to ground truth

can do on the surface to ground truth that data this data we can resolve

that data this data we can resolve

that data this data we can resolve things that are about 20 meters across

things that are about 20 meters across

things that are about 20 meters across the camera has a resolution of 6 meters

the camera has a resolution of 6 meters

the camera has a resolution of 6 meters per pixel and we can see that channel

per pixel and we can see that channel

per pixel and we can see that channel now coming in from the upper-left and

now coming in from the upper-left and

now coming in from the upper-left and draining out into a fan of sediment we

draining out into a fan of sediment we

draining out into a fan of sediment we call this an alluvial fan there’s many

call this an alluvial fan there’s many

call this an alluvial fan there’s many examples of this on the earth that we

examples of this on the earth that we

examples of this on the earth that we see in places for example like Death

see in places for example like Death

see in places for example like Death Valley so this became a very important

Valley so this became a very important

Valley so this became a very important secondary target to the layers in Mount

secondary target to the layers in Mount

secondary target to the layers in Mount sharp for our exploration well here’s

sharp for our exploration well here’s

sharp for our exploration well here’s the view from the surface after

the view from the surface after

the view from the surface after curiosity landed this is one of my

curiosity landed this is one of my

curiosity landed this is one of my favorite images from the mission because

favorite images from the mission because

favorite images from the mission because to me it’s almost like you’re standing

to me it’s almost like you’re standing

to me it’s almost like you’re standing in Death Valley looking up to the west

in Death Valley looking up to the west

in Death Valley looking up to the west at the Panamint Mountains and seeing

at the Panamint Mountains and seeing

at the Panamint Mountains and seeing this fan of material you can see the

this fan of material you can see the

this fan of material you can see the bright outline of peace’ Valles this

bright outline of peace’ Valles this

bright outline of peace’ Valles this channel coming down and the sloping sort

channel coming down and the sloping sort

channel coming down and the sloping sort of the positive sediment that’s being

of the positive sediment that’s being

of the positive sediment that’s being laid down by that River at some time in

laid down by that River at some time in

laid down by that River at some time in the past we’re way down at the very far

the past we’re way down at the very far

the past we’re way down at the very far end of that where we landed with

end of that where we landed with

end of that where we landed with curiosity in fact we weren’t even sure

curiosity in fact we weren’t even sure

curiosity in fact we weren’t even sure if we were going to be on those

if we were going to be on those

if we were going to be on those sediments now here is an overhead view

sediments now here is an overhead view

sediments now here is an overhead view this time from the high-rise camera

this time from the high-rise camera

this time from the high-rise camera which can image things that are about 3

which can image things that are about 3

which can image things that are about 3 feet across it has a resolution of about

feet across it has a resolution of about

feet across it has a resolution of about 25 centimeters or about a foot you can

25 centimeters or about a foot you can

25 centimeters or about a foot you can see where curiosity landed the two blue

see where curiosity landed the two blue

see where curiosity landed the two blue spots over here on the left and those

spots over here on the left and those

spots over here on the left and those are the tracks of the rover when we

are the tracks of the rover when we

are the tracks of the rover when we landed because we had mapped the surface

landed because we had mapped the surface

landed because we had mapped the surface of our landing ellipse before we got

of our landing ellipse before we got

of our landing ellipse before we got down to the surface of the planet we

down to the surface of the planet we

down to the surface of the planet we knew that there were some different

knew that there were some different

knew that there were some different terrains that we were likely to sample

terrains that we were likely to sample

terrains that we were likely to sample depending on where we landed and because

depending on where we landed and because

depending on where we landed and because we landed at that spot there we happen

we landed at that spot there we happen

we landed at that spot there we happen to be very close to three different

to be very close to three different

to be very close to three different kinds of material that were sort of like

kinds of material that were sort of like

kinds of material that were sort of like a rosetta stone we thought for

a rosetta stone we thought for

a rosetta stone we thought for understanding the geology of our

understanding the geology of our

understanding the geology of our Traverse as we went across to Mount

Traverse as we went across to Mount

Traverse as we went across to Mount sharp the most material for the left

sharp the most material for the left

sharp the most material for the left two-thirds of the image was one type in

two-thirds of the image was one type in

two-thirds of the image was one type in the lower right corner was another and

the lower right corner was another and

the lower right corner was another and then the brighter whitish blue stuff up

then the brighter whitish blue stuff up

then the brighter whitish blue stuff up there is a third seeing this juncture of

there is a third seeing this juncture of

there is a third seeing this juncture of these three different materials knowing

these three different materials knowing

these three different materials knowing that they held clues to what was going

that they held clues to what was going

that they held clues to what was going on in Gale and that they might be

on in Gale and that they might be

on in Gale and that they might be related

related

related alluvial fan drove us literally in the

alluvial fan drove us literally in the

alluvial fan drove us literally in the opposite direction that we intended once

opposite direction that we intended once

opposite direction that we intended once we got down on the surface Mount sharp

we got down on the surface Mount sharp

we got down on the surface Mount sharp is down to the lower left your left my

is down to the lower left your left my

is down to the lower left your left my right we went east we went to your right

right we went east we went to your right

right we went east we went to your right and it paid off very soon after we got

and it paid off very soon after we got

and it paid off very soon after we got started we started to find these

started we started to find these

started we started to find these outcrops the pebbles that you can see

outcrops the pebbles that you can see

outcrops the pebbles that you can see weathering out that are rounded Becky

weathering out that are rounded Becky

weathering out that are rounded Becky Williams who’s here tonight was the lead

Williams who’s here tonight was the lead

Williams who’s here tonight was the lead author on a science paper that first

author on a science paper that first

author on a science paper that first described these as deposits related to

described these as deposits related to

described these as deposits related to that River flowing down the side of the

that River flowing down the side of the

that River flowing down the side of the canyon now in Death Valley doesn’t it

canyon now in Death Valley doesn’t it

canyon now in Death Valley doesn’t it doesn’t rain very often but when it does

doesn’t rain very often but when it does

doesn’t rain very often but when it does that water comes out fast and I can

that water comes out fast and I can

that water comes out fast and I can almost imagine when I see these sorts of

almost imagine when I see these sorts of

almost imagine when I see these sorts of things you know water up to my thigh

things you know water up to my thigh

things you know water up to my thigh kind of thing draining across the

kind of thing draining across the

kind of thing draining across the surface depositing these gravels what an

surface depositing these gravels what an

surface depositing these gravels what an amazing in different place this must

amazing in different place this must

amazing in different place this must have been three three and a half billion

have been three three and a half billion

have been three three and a half billion years ago we got into this place called

years ago we got into this place called

years ago we got into this place called Yellowknife Bay and here’s our dried-up

Yellowknife Bay and here’s our dried-up

Yellowknife Bay and here’s our dried-up lake sediments this is a mud stone we

lake sediments this is a mud stone we

lake sediments this is a mud stone we drilled down into this rock the rocks

drilled down into this rock the rocks

drilled down into this rock the rocks weren’t red they’re gray they tell us

weren’t red they’re gray they tell us

weren’t red they’re gray they tell us something about the conditions in the

something about the conditions in the

something about the conditions in the past when we look at the chemistry it

past when we look at the chemistry it

past when we look at the chemistry it tells us that these clays that are in

tells us that these clays that are in

tells us that these clays that are in here were deposited in conditions that

here were deposited in conditions that

here were deposited in conditions that were relatively neutral that is not too

were relatively neutral that is not too

were relatively neutral that is not too acidic not too basic but we’ve already

acidic not too basic but we’ve already

acidic not too basic but we’ve already sampled sediments wash down in a river

sampled sediments wash down in a river

sampled sediments wash down in a river and ancient Lake deposits and we haven’t

and ancient Lake deposits and we haven’t

and ancient Lake deposits and we haven’t even gotten to Mount sharp yet so

even gotten to Mount sharp yet so

even gotten to Mount sharp yet so clearly the first bit of information

clearly the first bit of information

clearly the first bit of information that we got back from curiosity really

that we got back from curiosity really

that we got back from curiosity really sort of set us on our ear in terms of

sort of set us on our ear in terms of

sort of set us on our ear in terms of understanding Mars as a planet and how

understanding Mars as a planet and how

understanding Mars as a planet and how it evolved since leaving Yellowknife Bay

it evolved since leaving Yellowknife Bay

it evolved since leaving Yellowknife Bay in these ancient lake deposits we’ve

in these ancient lake deposits we’ve

in these ancient lake deposits we’ve been traversing across a landscape

been traversing across a landscape

been traversing across a landscape that’s littered with sedimentary rocks

that’s littered with sedimentary rocks

that’s littered with sedimentary rocks you can see some of those here in the

you can see some of those here in the

you can see some of those here in the foreground and we’ve been sampling these

foreground and we’ve been sampling these

foreground and we’ve been sampling these as we’ve gone trying to understand more

as we’ve gone trying to understand more

as we’ve gone trying to understand more about the relationship between sediments

about the relationship between sediments

about the relationship between sediments wash down in this in this river piece

wash down in this in this river piece

wash down in this in this river piece Valles and out onto this fan of

Valles and out onto this fan of

Valles and out onto this fan of sediments versus the sediments that have

sediments versus the sediments that have

sediments versus the sediments that have been shed off the side of Mount sharp

been shed off the side of Mount sharp

been shed off the side of Mount sharp there’s still kind of an uncertainty in

there’s still kind of an uncertainty in

there’s still kind of an uncertainty in terms of where some of these different

terms of where some of these different

terms of where some of these different sediments have come from and what their

sediments have come from and what their

sediments have come from and what their origin is in relationship to the timing

origin is in relationship to the timing

origin is in relationship to the timing of the formation of this big huge

of the formation of this big huge

of the formation of this big huge mountain in the middle of the of the

mountain in the middle of the of the

mountain in the middle of the of the crater but as you can see the same

crater but as you can see the same

crater but as you can see the same we haven’t lost sight of Mount sharp

we haven’t lost sight of Mount sharp

we haven’t lost sight of Mount sharp it’s always sort of been dead in our

it’s always sort of been dead in our

it’s always sort of been dead in our sights and we’re actually more than

sights and we’re actually more than

sights and we’re actually more than halfway there

halfway there

halfway there from when we left the Yellowknife Bay

from when we left the Yellowknife Bay

from when we left the Yellowknife Bay area and in fact we see images like this

area and in fact we see images like this

area and in fact we see images like this almost daily with curiosity and it

almost daily with curiosity and it

almost daily with curiosity and it reminds us exactly why we came here and

reminds us exactly why we came here and

reminds us exactly why we came here and why this is the goal because you can see

why this is the goal because you can see

why this is the goal because you can see the layers here that I described earlier

the layers here that I described earlier

the layers here that I described earlier as sort of chapters in a book and you

as sort of chapters in a book and you

as sort of chapters in a book and you can see here how they transition from

can see here how they transition from

can see here how they transition from sort of darker and grayer layers near

sort of darker and grayer layers near

sort of darker and grayer layers near the bottom to lighter sediments at the

the bottom to lighter sediments at the

the bottom to lighter sediments at the top and knowing what we already know

top and knowing what we already know

top and knowing what we already know about Gale Crater from our exploration

about Gale Crater from our exploration

about Gale Crater from our exploration of these lake and sediments wash down in

of these lake and sediments wash down in

of these lake and sediments wash down in the fan we’re very eager to get here and

the fan we’re very eager to get here and

the fan we’re very eager to get here and understand more about the evolution of

understand more about the evolution of

understand more about the evolution of the Martian climate as these sediments

the Martian climate as these sediments

the Martian climate as these sediments were deposited

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