conservation is a bourgeois concept what we do is we create a huge amount of
we do is we create a huge amount of
we do is we create a huge amount of carbon and we expect poor people to look
carbon and we expect poor people to look
carbon and we expect poor people to look after our carbon sink for us and they
after our carbon sink for us and they
after our carbon sink for us and they can’t because they haven’t got anything
can’t because they haven’t got anything
can’t because they haven’t got anything I went to live with more illegal loggers
I went to live with more illegal loggers
I went to live with more illegal loggers I wanted to understand their lives more
I wanted to understand their lives more
I wanted to understand their lives more his beta baito is very religious he
his beta baito is very religious he
his beta baito is very religious he believes that the rainforest is the
believes that the rainforest is the
believes that the rainforest is the living embodiment of Christ yet he’s
living embodiment of Christ yet he’s
living embodiment of Christ yet he’s cutting it down so I you know I wanted
cutting it down so I you know I wanted
cutting it down so I you know I wanted to know why a man with such reverence
to know why a man with such reverence
to know why a man with such reverence for the for the forests which respect
for the for the forests which respect
for the for the forests which respect for it would do that and his wife left
for it would do that and his wife left
for it would do that and his wife left him he stopped two girls he’s putting
him he stopped two girls he’s putting
him he stopped two girls he’s putting through college neither of them will
through college neither of them will
through college neither of them will speak to him because he’s a logger and
speak to him because he’s a logger and
speak to him because he’s a logger and that’s beneath them all his money goes
that’s beneath them all his money goes
that’s beneath them all his money goes to send his girls to go through college
to send his girls to go through college
to send his girls to go through college he’s now an alcoholic so he’s living
he’s now an alcoholic so he’s living
he’s now an alcoholic so he’s living this tragic life and having to do that
this tragic life and having to do that
this tragic life and having to do that like the worst thing he can but I
like the worst thing he can but I
like the worst thing he can but I thought you know I thought illegal
thought you know I thought illegal
thought you know I thought illegal logging was bad in Manu and Peru and and
logging was bad in Manu and Peru and and
logging was bad in Manu and Peru and and then I went to Brazil this for the
then I went to Brazil this for the
then I went to Brazil this for the Amazon looks like an Accra in western
Amazon looks like an Accra in western
Amazon looks like an Accra in western Brazil you know not you one to send ish
Brazil you know not you one to send ish
Brazil you know not you one to send ish 90% of rainforest destruction in the
90% of rainforest destruction in the
90% of rainforest destruction in the Amazon is for agriculture so I went
Amazon is for agriculture so I went
Amazon is for agriculture so I went there and this really was the badlands
there and this really was the badlands
there and this really was the badlands this is my buddy Dino he’s just about
this is my buddy Dino he’s just about
this is my buddy Dino he’s just about the most environmentally destructive
the most environmentally destructive
the most environmentally destructive human being I’ve ever met he really is
human being I’ve ever met he really is
human being I’ve ever met he really is the worst nightmare he was a peasant and
the worst nightmare he was a peasant and
the worst nightmare he was a peasant and he found his dad dead I’d hanged himself
he found his dad dead I’d hanged himself
he found his dad dead I’d hanged himself when he was a boy he managed to get
when he was a boy he managed to get
when he was a boy he managed to get himself a little bit of land in the
himself a little bit of land in the
himself a little bit of land in the rainforest had a family managed to pull
rainforest had a family managed to pull
rainforest had a family managed to pull it off got himself a farm that’s how he
it off got himself a farm that’s how he
it off got himself a farm that’s how he survives this is his granddaughter Anna
survives this is his granddaughter Anna
survives this is his granddaughter Anna Clara yeah every time we got a camera
Clara yeah every time we got a camera
Clara yeah every time we got a camera Ana Clara was there
Ana Clara was there
Ana Clara was there and she was so happy to have like
and she was so happy to have like
and she was so happy to have like loading new people to hang yeah and
loading new people to hang yeah and
loading new people to hang yeah and everyone did everything together it was
everyone did everything together it was
everyone did everything together it was a real family affair but what they did
a real family affair but what they did
a real family affair but what they did was this you know though vodka quince
was this you know though vodka quince
was this you know though vodka quince goop make a hard Kabila’s Kahlua st.
goop make a hard Kabila’s Kahlua st.
goop make a hard Kabila’s Kahlua st. John look at myself a flaw yeah I runs
John look at myself a flaw yeah I runs
John look at myself a flaw yeah I runs desperate for me to light the fire
desperate for me to light the fire
desperate for me to light the fire stumbles need good idea was in some
stumbles need good idea was in some
stumbles need good idea was in some thoughtful huh there are you do yeah I
thoughtful huh there are you do yeah I
thoughtful huh there are you do yeah I like
whoa that critical that’s already I can
whoa that critical that’s already I can feel heat coming off that thing that
feel heat coming off that thing that
feel heat coming off that thing that fifty feet away
fifty feet away
fifty feet away everyone’s getting the hell out
everyone’s getting the hell out
everyone’s getting the hell out I know he’s not he’s going to start some
I know he’s not he’s going to start some
I know he’s not he’s going to start some more
I think 100 today
I think 100 today gods are given us to make mine
we run back the next day I saw the rain
we run back the next day I saw the rain forest look like one of the reasons what
forest look like one of the reasons what
forest look like one of the reasons what Dino does is so bad was because what
Dino does is so bad was because what
Dino does is so bad was because what you’re doing is you’re cutting down a
you’re doing is you’re cutting down a
you’re doing is you’re cutting down a rain forest which produces oxygen you’re
rain forest which produces oxygen you’re
rain forest which produces oxygen you’re burning it releasing all the carbon then
burning it releasing all the carbon then
burning it releasing all the carbon then you’re covering in grass and grazing it
you’re covering in grass and grazing it
you’re covering in grass and grazing it with cows and globally cows produce more
with cows and globally cows produce more
with cows and globally cows produce more greenhouse gases than all of the
greenhouse gases than all of the
greenhouse gases than all of the transport combined that every plane car
transport combined that every plane car
transport combined that every plane car ship you name it
ship you name it
ship you name it globally so it couldn’t be any worse for
globally so it couldn’t be any worse for
globally so it couldn’t be any worse for the environment what Dino does do I like
the environment what Dino does do I like
the environment what Dino does do I like him any less for it now I have a huge
him any less for it now I have a huge
him any less for it now I have a huge amount of respect for Dino I learnt hell
amount of respect for Dino I learnt hell
amount of respect for Dino I learnt hell of a lot from him he taught me I had to
of a lot from him he taught me I had to
of a lot from him he taught me I had to be a better dad had to be a better
be a better dad had to be a better
be a better dad had to be a better family man but he taught me also that to
family man but he taught me also that to
family man but he taught me also that to him the forest is a resource to me it’s
him the forest is a resource to me it’s
him the forest is a resource to me it’s a you know romantic ideal to him it’s a
a you know romantic ideal to him it’s a
a you know romantic ideal to him it’s a resource and when we think of people of
resource and when we think of people of
resource and when we think of people of the forest we think of with this
the forest we think of with this
the forest we think of with this romantic notion of people living in
romantic notion of people living in
romantic notion of people living in harmony with the forest you know Dino
harmony with the forest you know Dino
harmony with the forest you know Dino Erasmus baito
Erasmus baito
Erasmus baito Ilyas they’re just as much people of the
Ilyas they’re just as much people of the
Ilyas they’re just as much people of the forest and until we start understanding
forest and until we start understanding
forest and until we start understanding that realizing and accepting it we’re
that realizing and accepting it we’re
that realizing and accepting it we’re going to struggle to go forward the one
going to struggle to go forward the one
going to struggle to go forward the one thing I think I came away knowing most
thing I think I came away knowing most
thing I think I came away knowing most was that conservation is a bourgeois
was that conservation is a bourgeois
was that conservation is a bourgeois concept you know I have the time and the
concept you know I have the time and the
concept you know I have the time and the money to care and these guys don’t have
money to care and these guys don’t have
money to care and these guys don’t have that and you know when you look at the
that and you know when you look at the
that and you know when you look at the problems of the Amazon what you’re
problems of the Amazon what you’re
problems of the Amazon what you’re looking at is really four main things
looking at is really four main things
looking at is really four main things you’re looking at the extraction of gold
you’re looking at the extraction of gold
you’re looking at the extraction of gold cocaine Brazilian beef and tropical
cocaine Brazilian beef and tropical
cocaine Brazilian beef and tropical hardwood trees like mahogany and we are
hardwood trees like mahogany and we are
hardwood trees like mahogany and we are the end users of those products and what
the end users of those products and what
the end users of those products and what we do is we create a huge amount of
we do is we create a huge amount of
we do is we create a huge amount of carbon much more than these guys we pump
carbon much more than these guys we pump
carbon much more than these guys we pump into the atmosphere and we expect poor
into the atmosphere and we expect poor
into the atmosphere and we expect poor people with nothing to look after our
people with nothing to look after our
people with nothing to look after our carbon sink for us
carbon sink for us
carbon sink for us and they can’t because I haven’t got
and they can’t because I haven’t got
and they can’t because I haven’t got anything and when we shout and moaning
anything and when we shout and moaning
anything and when we shout and moaning we call them bastards for chopping down
we call them bastards for chopping down
we call them bastards for chopping down the room for us so what was I going to
the room for us so what was I going to
the room for us so what was I going to do with Ilyas that was the big thing you
do with Ilyas that was the big thing you
do with Ilyas that was the big thing you know at this man I’ve done my journey
know at this man I’ve done my journey
know at this man I’ve done my journey what am I going to do well I gave him a
what am I going to do well I gave him a
what am I going to do well I gave him a job that’s it all right
job that’s it all right
job that’s it all right you’re the worst illegal logger in the
you’re the worst illegal logger in the
you’re the worst illegal logger in the area replant I’m trepidatious I’m not
area replant I’m trepidatious I’m not
area replant I’m trepidatious I’m not stupid this is a very high chance of
stupid this is a very high chance of
stupid this is a very high chance of failure but I’m not going to let that
failure but I’m not going to let that
failure but I’m not going to let that cloud my excitement about the whole idea
cloud my excitement about the whole idea
cloud my excitement about the whole idea vilius working with me and yes it might
vilius working with me and yes it might
vilius working with me and yes it might fail but I do trust him
fail but I do trust him
fail but I do trust him as well as paying Ilyas Charlie’s going
as well as paying Ilyas Charlie’s going
as well as paying Ilyas Charlie’s going to bring in experts who understand how
to bring in experts who understand how
to bring in experts who understand how to restore damaged rainforest rainforest
to restore damaged rainforest rainforest
to restore damaged rainforest rainforest a killer yep a tenemos otra Spencer case
a killer yep a tenemos otra Spencer case
a killer yep a tenemos otra Spencer case a na one como tu serais hey – loco no es
a na one como tu serais hey – loco no es
a na one como tu serais hey – loco no es muy bien al agua no hace más abajo a me
muy bien al agua no hace más abajo a me
muy bien al agua no hace más abajo a me it doses in the Brazilian
they’re going to plant a mixture of
they’re going to plant a mixture of hardwoods and fast-growing soft woods as
hardwoods and fast-growing soft woods as
hardwoods and fast-growing soft woods as well as bananas and other crops that can
well as bananas and other crops that can
well as bananas and other crops that can grow alongside the trees and provide
grow alongside the trees and provide
grow alongside the trees and provide elias with a second income
with any luck you’ll be self-sufficient
with any luck you’ll be self-sufficient within five years
I think the thing about this is it’s so
I think the thing about this is it’s so simple and symbolic planting trees but
simple and symbolic planting trees but
simple and symbolic planting trees but it’s who want with here today doing it
it’s who want with here today doing it
it’s who want with here today doing it and you know doing this with Ilyas and
and you know doing this with Ilyas and
and you know doing this with Ilyas and that’s that’s the key to this not
that’s that’s the key to this not
that’s that’s the key to this not putting trees in the ground like trees
putting trees in the ground like trees
putting trees in the ground like trees goats who I’m actually here you’re doing
goats who I’m actually here you’re doing
goats who I’m actually here you’re doing it with corner nesting in here we do it
it with corner nesting in here we do it
it with corner nesting in here we do it together got a lot more of these to go
together got a lot more of these to go
together got a lot more of these to go in here we got a whole rain forest to
in here we got a whole rain forest to
in here we got a whole rain forest to plant how to stop now right on
plant how to stop now right on
plant how to stop now right on we’ll eat any beer
Charlie didn’t find a way to protect the
Charlie didn’t find a way to protect the National Park
National Park
National Park but in this corner of the Amazon he has
but in this corner of the Amazon he has
but in this corner of the Amazon he has already made a difference
watching Heidi in ileus i felt quite
watching Heidi in ileus i felt quite proud
I suppose it hits me in there sort of a
I suppose it hits me in there sort of a very happy way because it was very nice
very happy way because it was very nice
very happy way because it was very nice moment to watch but it was it was
moment to watch but it was it was
moment to watch but it was it was something really wretched about it as
something really wretched about it as
something really wretched about it as well
because it’s it’s not solving a massive
because it’s it’s not solving a massive problem it’s solving a very tiny problem
problem it’s solving a very tiny problem
problem it’s solving a very tiny problem and it hasn’t even solved it yet but
and it hasn’t even solved it yet but
and it hasn’t even solved it yet but I feel like at least I’m doing something
I feel like at least I’m doing something
I feel like at least I’m doing something even if it’s just one tiny small thing
even if it’s just one tiny small thing
even if it’s just one tiny small thing which this is you know all we can do is
which this is you know all we can do is
which this is you know all we can do is hope isn’t it actually no that’s
hope isn’t it actually no that’s
oh we can this hope get off our asses
oh we can this hope get off our asses and do something two years later did it
and do something two years later did it
and do something two years later did it work no you have too many other
work no you have too many other
work no you have too many other pressures on his life I saw him in this
pressures on his life I saw him in this
pressures on his life I saw him in this summer and he was all embarrassed and I
summer and he was all embarrassed and I
summer and he was all embarrassed and I thought you don’t be embarrassed you
thought you don’t be embarrassed you
thought you don’t be embarrassed you know I don’t live in your shoes I judge
know I don’t live in your shoes I judge
know I don’t live in your shoes I judge you or you know have any blame at all
you or you know have any blame at all
you or you know have any blame at all and it but it was very sad because he
and it but it was very sad because he
and it but it was very sad because he was you know he kind of felt like he’d
was you know he kind of felt like he’d
was you know he kind of felt like he’d let himself down and I I didn’t I don’t
let himself down and I I didn’t I don’t
let himself down and I I didn’t I don’t know how hard he has his life is so I
know how hard he has his life is so I
know how hard he has his life is so I couldn’t say but they had a new daughter
couldn’t say but they had a new daughter
couldn’t say but they had a new daughter kneeling called jasmine and he might be
kneeling called jasmine and he might be
kneeling called jasmine and he might be that you know the most awful illegal
that you know the most awful illegal
that you know the most awful illegal Locker but he’s a nice guy not sending
Locker but he’s a nice guy not sending
Locker but he’s a nice guy not sending my talk
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