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extraordinary people doing extraordinary

extraordinary people doing extraordinary things by the end of a 21-day excavation

things by the end of a 21-day excavation

things by the end of a 21-day excavation we had discovered the richest early

we had discovered the richest early

we had discovered the richest early hominid site ever discovered this site

hominid site ever discovered this site

hominid site ever discovered this site is one mile away from the site of sterk

is one mile away from the site of sterk

is one mile away from the site of sterk frente it’s less than half that distance

frente it’s less than half that distance

frente it’s less than half that distance from the second best known site in the

from the second best known site in the

from the second best known site in the entire continent of Africa the side of

entire continent of Africa the side of

entire continent of Africa the side of Swart krons 800 meters away it was right

Swart krons 800 meters away it was right

Swart krons 800 meters away it was right under our nose it was an incredible

under our nose it was an incredible

under our nose it was an incredible environment of science there we had a

environment of science there we had a

environment of science there we had a fossil tent where we kept joking that we

fossil tent where we kept joking that we

fossil tent where we kept joking that we need a bigger safe and we had to buy

need a bigger safe and we had to buy

need a bigger safe and we had to buy more boxes and more bags and we ever

more boxes and more bags and we ever

more boxes and more bags and we ever envisioned we’d set up a thing to find a

envisioned we’d set up a thing to find a

envisioned we’d set up a thing to find a skeleton and we had first hundreds of

skeleton and we had first hundreds of

skeleton and we had first hundreds of remains and by the end of it

remains and by the end of it

remains and by the end of it thousands of remains of hominids we

thousands of remains of hominids we

thousands of remains of hominids we would work late into the night

would work late into the night

would work late into the night I sometimes couldn’t get the scientists

I sometimes couldn’t get the scientists

I sometimes couldn’t get the scientists out of the cave as they excavated four

out of the cave as they excavated four

out of the cave as they excavated four shifts of six or seven hours in these

shifts of six or seven hours in these

shifts of six or seven hours in these cramped humid conditions and no one

cramped humid conditions and no one

cramped humid conditions and no one could go get them anyway so they could

could go get them anyway so they could

could go get them anyway so they could just stay there as long as we want some

just stay there as long as we want some

just stay there as long as we want some people have said well it really isn’t

people have said well it really isn’t

people have said well it really isn’t that dangerous

that dangerous

that dangerous rick is going to demonstrate to you

rick is going to demonstrate to you

rick is going to demonstrate to you though the just because we did not kill

though the just because we did not kill

though the just because we did not kill anyone that this is every bit as

anyone that this is every bit as

anyone that this is every bit as dangerous and extraordinary a risk as

dangerous and extraordinary a risk as

dangerous and extraordinary a risk as has ever been undertaken these are the

has ever been undertaken these are the

has ever been undertaken these are the easy parts you’re looking at this was an

easy parts you’re looking at this was an

easy parts you’re looking at this was an original thing we called Superman crawl

original thing we called Superman crawl

original thing we called Superman crawl which you go through I can get through

which you go through I can get through

which you go through I can get through that so that’s not a particularly tight

that so that’s not a particularly tight

that so that’s not a particularly tight squeeze in the scheme of what we’re

squeeze in the scheme of what we’re

squeeze in the scheme of what we’re doing here for those of you who are

doing here for those of you who are

doing here for those of you who are squeamish about closed spaces you may

squeamish about closed spaces you may

squeamish about closed spaces you may look away because it gets worse the this

look away because it gets worse the this

look away because it gets worse the this is the type of journey that these

is the type of journey that these

is the type of journey that these remarkable scientists the runners the

remarkable scientists the runners the

remarkable scientists the runners the people who assisted us would take on a

people who assisted us would take on a

people who assisted us would take on a daily basis usually three four five

daily basis usually three four five

daily basis usually three four five times

times

times getting to these sites some people said

getting to these sites some people said

getting to these sites some people said to me why haven’t you opened this cave

to me why haven’t you opened this cave

to me why haven’t you opened this cave up I hope you can begin see how fragile

up I hope you can begin see how fragile

up I hope you can begin see how fragile this cave is you do not want to do any

this cave is you do not want to do any

this cave is you do not want to do any opening of caves in that environment

opening of caves in that environment

opening of caves in that environment because if you do you may destabilize

because if you do you may destabilize

because if you do you may destabilize the entire system and it could collapse

the entire system and it could collapse

the entire system and it could collapse and secondly I didn’t want to do that

and secondly I didn’t want to do that

and secondly I didn’t want to do that who was it for me

who was it for me

who was it for me to destroy a cave that’s potentially

to destroy a cave that’s potentially

to destroy a cave that’s potentially millions of years old just so it could

millions of years old just so it could

millions of years old just so it could be large enough that my ego can get in

be large enough that my ego can get in

be large enough that my ego can get in there when there is technology and

there when there is technology and

there when there is technology and extraordinary people who have the

extraordinary people who have the

extraordinary people who have the capability of doing that work today here

capability of doing that work today here

capability of doing that work today here this is kind of a normal narrow passage

this is kind of a normal narrow passage

this is kind of a normal narrow passage you’re going to see the chute and parts

you’re going to see the chute and parts

you’re going to see the chute and parts of it here and you’ll get an idea of the

of it here and you’ll get an idea of the

of it here and you’ll get an idea of the depth as you see Steve Tucker’s light in

depth as you see Steve Tucker’s light in

depth as you see Steve Tucker’s light in the distance as we look down into the

the distance as we look down into the

the distance as we look down into the chute you get an idea of how narrow

chute you get an idea of how narrow

chute you get an idea of how narrow those spaces are that they are

those spaces are that they are

those spaces are that they are traversing down you’ll see how dangerous

traversing down you’ll see how dangerous

traversing down you’ll see how dangerous some of the loose rocks are this rock

some of the loose rocks are this rock

some of the loose rocks are this rock that Rick is about to touch actually

that Rick is about to touch actually

that Rick is about to touch actually fell on the National Geographic

fell on the National Geographic

fell on the National Geographic photographer and shattered his fingers

photographer and shattered his fingers

photographer and shattered his fingers as he was under there

as he was under there

as he was under there oh and Rick can dislocate his shoulders

oh and Rick can dislocate his shoulders

oh and Rick can dislocate his shoulders watch I just show you that for fun

extraordinary people doing extraordinary

extraordinary people doing extraordinary things by the end of a 21-day excavation

things by the end of a 21-day excavation

things by the end of a 21-day excavation we had discovered the richest early

we had discovered the richest early

we had discovered the richest early hominid site ever discovered in the

hominid site ever discovered in the

hominid site ever discovered in the history of the planet more fossil

history of the planet more fossil

history of the planet more fossil hominids had come out individually

hominids had come out individually

hominids had come out individually they’d been discovered in the previous

they’d been discovered in the previous

they’d been discovered in the previous 90 year history of the search for human

90 year history of the search for human

90 year history of the search for human origins in southern Africa all because

origins in southern Africa all because

origins in southern Africa all because of these remarkable scientists we would

of these remarkable scientists we would

of these remarkable scientists we would name a new species Homo Naledi Homo

name a new species Homo Naledi Homo

name a new species Homo Naledi Homo Naledi was an incredible creature a

Naledi was an incredible creature a

Naledi was an incredible creature a brain the size of the Norns

brain the size of the Norns

brain the size of the Norns primitive characters and advanced

primitive characters and advanced

primitive characters and advanced characters teeth that are remarkable and

characters teeth that are remarkable and

characters teeth that are remarkable and being a little bit human-like and

being a little bit human-like and

being a little bit human-like and primitive in so many other ways things

primitive in so many other ways things

primitive in so many other ways things we’d never seen before we would

we’d never seen before we would

we’d never seen before we would eventually find 15 individuals 1574

eventually find 15 individuals 1574

eventually find 15 individuals 1574 fossils from an area that big by that

fossils from an area that big by that

fossils from an area that big by that big the entire floor is comprised of

big the entire floor is comprised of

big the entire floor is comprised of these fossils we had every age group

these fossils we had every age group

these fossils we had every age group represented from near fetal aged infants

represented from near fetal aged infants

represented from near fetal aged infants to the extreme elderly with their teeth

to the extreme elderly with their teeth

to the extreme elderly with their teeth worn right out and everything in between

worn right out and everything in between

worn right out and everything in between males and females

males and females

males and females we had fossils like this field has never

we had fossils like this field has never

we had fossils like this field has never seen before that is the most complete

seen before that is the most complete

seen before that is the most complete foot ever discovered in the history of

foot ever discovered in the history of

foot ever discovered in the history of paleoanthropology one of six this is the

paleoanthropology one of six this is the

paleoanthropology one of six this is the most complete hand ever discovered in

most complete hand ever discovered in

most complete hand ever discovered in the history of paleoanthropology one of

the history of paleoanthropology one of

the history of paleoanthropology one of eight the assemblage was remarkable

eight the assemblage was remarkable

eight the assemblage was remarkable remarkable in its diversity remarkable

remarkable in its diversity remarkable

remarkable in its diversity remarkable in its preservation remarkable in its

in its preservation remarkable in its

in its preservation remarkable in its quality we simply had seen nothing like

quality we simply had seen nothing like

quality we simply had seen nothing like it all lying on the floor of this

it all lying on the floor of this

it all lying on the floor of this chamber we would name a new species Homo

chamber we would name a new species Homo

chamber we would name a new species Homo Naledi

Naledi

Naledi it’s a crazy creature brain the size of

it’s a crazy creature brain the size of

it’s a crazy creature brain the size of an orange ape-like shoulders human-like

an orange ape-like shoulders human-like

an orange ape-like shoulders human-like arms ending in a human-like hand with

arms ending in a human-like hand with

arms ending in a human-like hand with the most curved fingers we have ever

the most curved fingers we have ever

the most curved fingers we have ever seen outside the most primitive hominids

seen outside the most primitive hominids

seen outside the most primitive hominids four or five million year old

four or five million year old

four or five million year old equivalents it’s bizarre its thorax

equivalents it’s bizarre its thorax

equivalents it’s bizarre its thorax start ape-like becomes more and more

start ape-like becomes more and more

start ape-like becomes more and more advanced its pelvis is

advanced its pelvis is

advanced its pelvis is that of Lucy wide and flared so we know

that of Lucy wide and flared so we know

that of Lucy wide and flared so we know what its legs and feet look like they

what its legs and feet look like they

what its legs and feet look like they should be primitive too but they are at

should be primitive too but they are at

should be primitive too but they are at the top and become progressively more

the top and become progressively more

the top and become progressively more and more and more and more human-like

and more and more and more human-like

and more and more and more human-like until you reach the feet and those are

until you reach the feet and those are

until you reach the feet and those are the most human-like feet ever discovered

the most human-like feet ever discovered

the most human-like feet ever discovered since humans look at the size of that

since humans look at the size of that

since humans look at the size of that head that is a normal sized modern human

head that is a normal sized modern human

head that is a normal sized modern human in the background that is an adult

in the background that is an adult

in the background that is an adult female of Homo Naledi about 450 cubic

female of Homo Naledi about 450 cubic

female of Homo Naledi about 450 cubic centimeters we had truly never seen

centimeters we had truly never seen

centimeters we had truly never seen anything like this to give you an idea

anything like this to give you an idea

anything like this to give you an idea of how strange they would have looked

of how strange they would have looked

of how strange they would have looked that’s Lucy on the left in the middle is

that’s Lucy on the left in the middle is

that’s Lucy on the left in the middle is a very famous skeleton culture Khanna

a very famous skeleton culture Khanna

a very famous skeleton culture Khanna boy of Homo erectus and there you can

boy of Homo erectus and there you can

boy of Homo erectus and there you can see a relatively human like this there

see a relatively human like this there

see a relatively human like this there on the right is that almost without

on the right is that almost without

on the right is that almost without being derogatory pinheaded look of Homo

being derogatory pinheaded look of Homo

being derogatory pinheaded look of Homo Naledi with it’s very strange profile

Naledi with it’s very strange profile

Naledi with it’s very strange profile and it is not an aberrancy because we

and it is not an aberrancy because we

and it is not an aberrancy because we have multiple individuals and they all

have multiple individuals and they all

have multiple individuals and they all look exactly alike we now know more

look exactly alike we now know more

look exactly alike we now know more about this remarkable species perhaps

about this remarkable species perhaps

about this remarkable species perhaps than almost any other species of

than almost any other species of

than almost any other species of primitive human relative that’s ever

primitive human relative that’s ever

primitive human relative that’s ever been discovered we very quickly realized

been discovered we very quickly realized

been discovered we very quickly realized something was strange going on with the

something was strange going on with the

something was strange going on with the way in which these fossils were in that

way in which these fossils were in that

way in which these fossils were in that chamber during the course of the

chamber during the course of the

chamber during the course of the excavation we had found on the first day

excavation we had found on the first day

excavation we had found on the first day to be transparent three bird bones there

to be transparent three bird bones there

to be transparent three bird bones there were ow that were lying on the surface

were ow that were lying on the surface

were ow that were lying on the surface that were clearly much younger somehow

that were clearly much younger somehow

that were clearly much younger somehow it got in there and then we found during

it got in there and then we found during

it got in there and then we found during the course of the excavation a few tiny

the course of the excavation a few tiny

the course of the excavation a few tiny rodent incisors mixed into the sediment

rodent incisors mixed into the sediment

rodent incisors mixed into the sediment and nothing else nothing but hominids

and nothing else nothing but hominids

and nothing else nothing but hominids now we had on the team world experts in

now we had on the team world experts in

now we had on the team world experts in many many different things but all of us

many many different things but all of us

many many different things but all of us had the same basic training in Physical

had the same basic training in Physical

had the same basic training in Physical Anthropology forensic anthropology

Anthropology forensic anthropology

Anthropology forensic anthropology archeology all related to human Balaji

archeology all related to human Balaji

archeology all related to human Balaji and those senior members of the team

and those senior members of the team

and those senior members of the team knew that there was something very

knew that there was something very

knew that there was something very strange from word go when you see an

strange from word go when you see an

strange from word go when you see an assemblage like that we of course began

assemblage like that we of course began

assemblage like that we of course began trying to eliminate the obvious it’s got

trying to eliminate the obvious it’s got

trying to eliminate the obvious it’s got to be a predator accumulation but there

to be a predator accumulation but there

to be a predator accumulation but there are no predatory damp marks of damage on

are no predatory damp marks of damage on

are no predatory damp marks of damage on in

in

in of this phone there’s no marks of

of this phone there’s no marks of

of this phone there’s no marks of scavenging we knew very early on that

scavenging we knew very early on that

scavenging we knew very early on that the material had not been transported in

the material had not been transported in

the material had not been transported in there was no sign in the sediments of

there was no sign in the sediments of

there was no sign in the sediments of water transport we also could tell from

water transport we also could tell from

water transport we also could tell from the way they were set that they’d come

the way they were set that they’d come

the way they were set that they’d come in one by one by one over time there was

in one by one by one over time there was

in one by one by one over time there was time involved in this over on the right

time involved in this over on the right

time involved in this over on the right hand side of this image is where that

hand side of this image is where that

hand side of this image is where that chute is you can see that the floor

chute is you can see that the floor

chute is you can see that the floor slopes away from that and quite

slopes away from that and quite

slopes away from that and quite literally from that point all the way to

literally from that point all the way to

literally from that point all the way to the end are these bones of Homo Naledi

the end are these bones of Homo Naledi

the end are these bones of Homo Naledi literally from underneath the chute we

literally from underneath the chute we

literally from underneath the chute we have used I can tell you

have used I can tell you

have used I can tell you ground-penetrating radar and other

ground-penetrating radar and other

ground-penetrating radar and other methods we can find no other entrance

methods we can find no other entrance

methods we can find no other entrance and we were left eventually with the

and we were left eventually with the

and we were left eventually with the unlikely conclusion that in fact this

unlikely conclusion that in fact this

unlikely conclusion that in fact this must be some sort of deliberate body

must be some sort of deliberate body

must be some sort of deliberate body disposal site that we had for the first

disposal site that we had for the first

disposal site that we had for the first time found a species other than humans

time found a species other than humans

time found a species other than humans that in a ritualized and I mean repeated

that in a ritualized and I mean repeated

that in a ritualized and I mean repeated fashion had taken its dead into a

fashion had taken its dead into a

fashion had taken its dead into a chamber and secreted them there over

chamber and secreted them there over

chamber and secreted them there over time to prevent whatever from happening

time to prevent whatever from happening

time to prevent whatever from happening to them for whatever reason and that is

to them for whatever reason and that is

to them for whatever reason and that is the hypothesis we put forward that’s a

the hypothesis we put forward that’s a

the hypothesis we put forward that’s a fairly remarkable thing because until

fairly remarkable thing because until

fairly remarkable thing because until that moment on September 10 last year

that moment on September 10 last year

that moment on September 10 last year when we announced the existence of Homo

when we announced the existence of Homo

when we announced the existence of Homo Naledi and this situation we had seen

Naledi and this situation we had seen

Naledi and this situation we had seen deliberate body disposal as sort of the

deliberate body disposal as sort of the

deliberate body disposal as sort of the last bastion of what identified us is

last bastion of what identified us is

last bastion of what identified us is human

human

human when Jane Goodall wrote to Louis Leakey

when Jane Goodall wrote to Louis Leakey

when Jane Goodall wrote to Louis Leakey saying I have seen a chimpanzee using

saying I have seen a chimpanzee using

saying I have seen a chimpanzee using tools

tools

tools he said prophetically we are going to

he said prophetically we are going to

he said prophetically we are going to have to redefine what it means to be

have to redefine what it means to be

have to redefine what it means to be human

human

human we had precious little left until

we had precious little left until

we had precious little left until September 10th except we deliberately

September 10th except we deliberately

September 10th except we deliberately disposed of our dead and whatever that

disposed of our dead and whatever that

disposed of our dead and whatever that means and should this hypothesis hold

means and should this hypothesis hold

means and should this hypothesis hold true the first time in history you are

true the first time in history you are

true the first time in history you are meeting another species that did just

meeting another species that did just

meeting another species that did just that what these discoveries tell you is

that what these discoveries tell you is

that what these discoveries tell you is that we may have walked or set foot over

that we may have walked or set foot over

that we may have walked or set foot over most of this planet but we have not seen

most of this planet but we have not seen

most of this planet but we have not seen what we were walking on we’ve not

what we were walking on we’ve not

what we were walking on we’ve not understood what we were looking at there

understood what we were looking at there

understood what we were looking at there are extraordinary things to be found and

are extraordinary things to be found and

are extraordinary things to be found and if it is true in a field like

if it is true in a field like

if it is true in a field like paleoanthropology then it must be true

paleoanthropology then it must be true

paleoanthropology then it must be true in every field of science we need to use

in every field of science we need to use

in every field of science we need to use discoveries like this to inspire this

discoveries like this to inspire this

discoveries like this to inspire this and the next generation to be explorers

and the next generation to be explorers

and the next generation to be explorers to get out in the field to look to

to get out in the field to look to

to get out in the field to look to prepare yourself to make discoveries to

prepare yourself to make discoveries to

prepare yourself to make discoveries to use the technology to inform you but to

use the technology to inform you but to

use the technology to inform you but to physically go out and make those

physically go out and make those

physically go out and make those discoveries we need ladies and gentlemen

discoveries we need ladies and gentlemen

discoveries we need ladies and gentlemen to inspire exploration thank you very

to inspire exploration thank you very

to inspire exploration thank you very much

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