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I’d come to South Africa I’d launch

I’d come to South Africa I’d launch myself into exploration and out I went

myself into exploration and out I went

myself into exploration and out I went looking to combine these technologies

looking to combine these technologies

looking to combine these technologies satellite imagery in handheld GPS

satellite imagery in handheld GPS

satellite imagery in handheld GPS started mapping sites I saw that cave

started mapping sites I saw that cave

started mapping sites I saw that cave sites formed in linear lines I saw

sites formed in linear lines I saw

sites formed in linear lines I saw fossil sites clustered together

fossil sites clustered together

fossil sites clustered together intrigued me so much I put together a

intrigued me so much I put together a

intrigued me so much I put together a list of targets print them on an a4

list of targets print them on an a4

list of targets print them on an a4 sheet loaded my dog into the car and on

sheet loaded my dog into the car and on

sheet loaded my dog into the car and on the first day out I found 21 new cave

the first day out I found 21 new cave

the first day out I found 21 new cave sites became an addictive process by

sites became an addictive process by

sites became an addictive process by July that year 2008 I found more than

July that year 2008 I found more than

July that year 2008 I found more than 600 cave sites

600 cave sites

600 cave sites I discovered more than 60 new fossil

I discovered more than 60 new fossil

I discovered more than 60 new fossil sites and I thought this was my legacy

sites and I thought this was my legacy

sites and I thought this was my legacy that’s fantastic

that’s fantastic

that’s fantastic this will be my gift to future

this will be my gift to future

this will be my gift to future generations of these discoveries began

generations of these discoveries began

generations of these discoveries began in a situation that I found myself in

in a situation that I found myself in

in a situation that I found myself in back in the 1990s a situation where

back in the 1990s a situation where

back in the 1990s a situation where exploration appeared to have been

exploration appeared to have been

exploration appeared to have been finished in the field of

finished in the field of

finished in the field of paleoanthropology in the search for

paleoanthropology in the search for

paleoanthropology in the search for human origins I found my own University

human origins I found my own University

human origins I found my own University closing my exploration program I found

closing my exploration program I found

closing my exploration program I found myself in a situation of assisting in a

myself in a situation of assisting in a

myself in a situation of assisting in a job search to find a new director to

job search to find a new director to

job search to find a new director to push the paleoanthropology the human

push the paleoanthropology the human

push the paleoanthropology the human origin study in a new direction towards

origin study in a new direction towards

origin study in a new direction towards technology towards the application of

technology towards the application of

technology towards the application of using modern technology to study

using modern technology to study

using modern technology to study existing fossils not to find new ones a

existing fossils not to find new ones a

existing fossils not to find new ones a young man that was going to take over my

young man that was going to take over my

young man that was going to take over my directorship position and lead us in the

directorship position and lead us in the

directorship position and lead us in the new direction was killed in a motorcycle

new direction was killed in a motorcycle

new direction was killed in a motorcycle accident in London but we had already

accident in London but we had already

accident in London but we had already invested in that direction we had post

invested in that direction we had post

invested in that direction we had post doctoral students computers everything

doctoral students computers everything

doctoral students computers everything and one of them a young Kenyan named

and one of them a young Kenyan named

and one of them a young Kenyan named Jobe Kibby came into my office and said

Jobe Kibby came into my office and said

Jobe Kibby came into my office and said would I be his postdoctoral supervisor

would I be his postdoctoral supervisor

would I be his postdoctoral supervisor now with this tragedy I said no because

now with this tragedy I said no because

now with this tragedy I said no because I can’t be you’re a lab guy I’m a feel

I can’t be you’re a lab guy I’m a feel

I can’t be you’re a lab guy I’m a feel god but I just found this site it’s

god but I just found this site it’s

god but I just found this site it’s bugging me so you want to learn to be a

bugging me so you want to learn to be a

bugging me so you want to learn to be a field guy let’s go out to the site and

field guy let’s go out to the site and

field guy let’s go out to the site and see what has to offer

see what has to offer

see what has to offer August 15 2008 Jobe myself a dog towel

August 15 2008 Jobe myself a dog towel

August 15 2008 Jobe myself a dog towel my then nine-year-old son Matthew

my then nine-year-old son Matthew

my then nine-year-old son Matthew walked up to the side I got to the edge

walked up to the side I got to the edge

walked up to the side I got to the edge of it we’re looking around I said go

of it we’re looking around I said go

of it we’re looking around I said go find fossils and with that off Matthew

find fossils and with that off Matthew

find fossils and with that off Matthew and towel win and I was talking to Joe

and towel win and I was talking to Joe

and towel win and I was talking to Joe man I said you know I don’t know why

man I said you know I don’t know why

man I said you know I don’t know why they left this little hole miners had

they left this little hole miners had

they left this little hole miners had actually found this and split a couple

actually found this and split a couple

actually found this and split a couple of blasts into it but then they left it

of blasts into it but then they left it

of blasts into it but then they left it and as I finish saying that Matthew

and as I finish saying that Matthew

and as I finish saying that Matthew who’s now 15 yards off the site in the

who’s now 15 yards off the site in the

who’s now 15 yards off the site in the middle of grass says dad I found a

middle of grass says dad I found a

middle of grass says dad I found a fossil I almost didn’t go and look

fossil I almost didn’t go and look

fossil I almost didn’t go and look but he’s my 9 year old son and I like

but he’s my 9 year old son and I like

but he’s my 9 year old son and I like all of you you want to encourage fossil

all of you you want to encourage fossil

all of you you want to encourage fossil hunting so I started walking towards him

hunting so I started walking towards him

hunting so I started walking towards him and this is what I saw and five meters

and this is what I saw and five meters

and this is what I saw and five meters away I knew his in my life were going to

away I knew his in my life were going to

away I knew his in my life were going to change forever it’s sticking out of the

change forever it’s sticking out of the

change forever it’s sticking out of the side of that rock I saw a hominid

side of that rock I saw a hominid

side of that rock I saw a hominid clavicle Matthew says I cursed I don’t

clavicle Matthew says I cursed I don’t

clavicle Matthew says I cursed I don’t remember that and I turned the rock over

remember that and I turned the rock over

remember that and I turned the rock over and there sticking out of the back of it

and there sticking out of the back of it

and there sticking out of the back of it was a jaw a tooth and that would lead to

was a jaw a tooth and that would lead to

was a jaw a tooth and that would lead to an extraordinary time Matthew had found

an extraordinary time Matthew had found

an extraordinary time Matthew had found a skeleton one of the rarest things you

a skeleton one of the rarest things you

a skeleton one of the rarest things you can ever find that skeleton would be

can ever find that skeleton would be

can ever find that skeleton would be part of this skull we would eventually

part of this skull we would eventually

part of this skull we would eventually find another one and then another one

find another one and then another one

find another one and then another one and then another one and then another

and then another one and then another

and then another one and then another one we would call that little site

one we would call that little site

one we would call that little site malapa and it would for a moment in

malapa and it would for a moment in

malapa and it would for a moment in history be one of if not the richest

history be one of if not the richest

history be one of if not the richest early hominid site on the continent of

early hominid site on the continent of

early hominid site on the continent of Africa skeletons in remarkable pristine

Africa skeletons in remarkable pristine

Africa skeletons in remarkable pristine condition the organic material I threw

condition the organic material I threw

condition the organic material I threw myself into this this was a paleo

myself into this this was a paleo

myself into this this was a paleo anthropological equivalent of winning

anthropological equivalent of winning

anthropological equivalent of winning the lottery we don’t find these things

the lottery we don’t find these things

the lottery we don’t find these things over the years following that 2011 2012

over the years following that 2011 2012

over the years following that 2011 2012 2013 we would have the time of our

2013 we would have the time of our

2013 we would have the time of our scientific lives something like 15

scientific lives something like 15

scientific lives something like 15 papers in the journal science more in

papers in the journal science more in

papers in the journal science more in the journal Nature

the journal Nature

the journal Nature dozens of peer-reviewed articles it was

dozens of peer-reviewed articles it was

dozens of peer-reviewed articles it was living a scientific dream it was our

living a scientific dream it was our

living a scientific dream it was our version of a scientific lottery all from

version of a scientific lottery all from

version of a scientific lottery all from a little site that looks like that a

a little site that looks like that a

a little site that looks like that a hole in the ground and I realized at

hole in the ground and I realized at

hole in the ground and I realized at that moment this was about

that moment this was about

that moment this was about June July of 2013 that I’ve made an

June July of 2013 that I’ve made an

June July of 2013 that I’ve made an error that error was pretty fundamental

error that error was pretty fundamental

error that error was pretty fundamental and pretty simple I had not been

and pretty simple I had not been

and pretty simple I had not been exploring since Matthew had said dad I

exploring since Matthew had said dad I

exploring since Matthew had said dad I found a fossil I had literally won the

found a fossil I had literally won the

found a fossil I had literally won the lottery why would you fair enough to say

lottery why would you fair enough to say

lottery why would you fair enough to say that I was putting together this great

that I was putting together this great

that I was putting together this great scientific team we were producing this

scientific team we were producing this

scientific team we were producing this research but I’d not gone back out and

research but I’d not gone back out and

research but I’d not gone back out and gone to those hundreds and hundreds and

gone to those hundreds and hundreds and

gone to those hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of sites that I discovered

hundreds of sites that I discovered

hundreds of sites that I discovered walking those hills and so I decided to

walking those hills and so I decided to

walking those hills and so I decided to go back out in the field then if you can

go back out in the field then if you can

go back out in the field then if you can imagine that this landscape is less than

imagine that this landscape is less than

imagine that this landscape is less than 45 minutes outside of the city of

45 minutes outside of the city of

45 minutes outside of the city of Johannesburg it looks like that and when

Johannesburg it looks like that and when

Johannesburg it looks like that and when you look at that you probably see one of

you look at that you probably see one of

you look at that you probably see one of these beautiful rolling African

these beautiful rolling African

these beautiful rolling African landscapes

landscapes

landscapes but that’s not what I see I see a giant

but that’s not what I see I see a giant

but that’s not what I see I see a giant block of Swiss cheese because underneath

block of Swiss cheese because underneath

block of Swiss cheese because underneath that dolomitic limestone are a network

that dolomitic limestone are a network

that dolomitic limestone are a network of hundreds of kilometres of caves but

of hundreds of kilometres of caves but

of hundreds of kilometres of caves but most of them are not these big cavernous

most of them are not these big cavernous

most of them are not these big cavernous type caves that some of you may envision

type caves that some of you may envision

type caves that some of you may envision when you hear the word cave most of them

when you hear the word cave most of them

when you hear the word cave most of them are these small narrow trenches ins and

are these small narrow trenches ins and

are these small narrow trenches ins and splits in the ground forming along

splits in the ground forming along

splits in the ground forming along ancient fault lines and I was thinking

ancient fault lines and I was thinking

ancient fault lines and I was thinking how am I going to do this I had done

how am I going to do this I had done

how am I going to do this I had done cave exploration in this region back in

cave exploration in this region back in

cave exploration in this region back in the 1990’s and I had looked and squeezed

the 1990’s and I had looked and squeezed

the 1990’s and I had looked and squeezed my way through these things in the 90s

my way through these things in the 90s

my way through these things in the 90s and did not found much as I was thinking

and did not found much as I was thinking

and did not found much as I was thinking of how I would move forward with a

of how I would move forward with a

of how I would move forward with a exploration program to take my surface

exploration program to take my surface

exploration program to take my surface images and move them underground

images and move them underground

images and move them underground a pirate walked into my office it was a

a pirate walked into my office it was a

a pirate walked into my office it was a former student of mine Pedro Boshoff he

former student of mine Pedro Boshoff he

former student of mine Pedro Boshoff he had gone off diamond prospecting in

had gone off diamond prospecting in

had gone off diamond prospecting in Central Africa and failed and it come

Central Africa and failed and it come

Central Africa and failed and it come back destitute and said I made a mistake

back destitute and said I made a mistake

back destitute and said I made a mistake I paleoanthropologist my love please can

I paleoanthropologist my love please can

I paleoanthropologist my love please can you give me a job I want to get back

you give me a job I want to get back

you give me a job I want to get back into it and I said you know your timings

into it and I said you know your timings

into it and I said you know your timings good I want to get underground and Pedro

good I want to get underground and Pedro

good I want to get underground and Pedro quickly found out something that I

quickly found out something that I

quickly found out something that I already knew that liked me he had no

already knew that liked me he had no

already knew that liked me he had no longer become physiologically

longer become physiologically

longer become physiologically appropriate for much of this underground

appropriate for much of this underground

appropriate for much of this underground work

these are narrow squeezes but I said you

these are narrow squeezes but I said you know get out there and go to the areas

know get out there and go to the areas

know get out there and go to the areas we know the best I had learned something

we know the best I had learned something

we know the best I had learned something from a lapa and so he went to the caving

from a lapa and so he went to the caving

from a lapa and so he went to the caving club and found two young men who were

club and found two young men who were

club and found two young men who were physiologically appropriate on the right

physiologically appropriate on the right

physiologically appropriate on the right was Rick hunter who was a member of

was Rick hunter who was a member of

was Rick hunter who was a member of Mensa who’d been kicked out of high

Mensa who’d been kicked out of high

Mensa who’d been kicked out of high school for blowing up the high school

school for blowing up the high school

school for blowing up the high school science lab that is a true story and was

science lab that is a true story and was

science lab that is a true story and was working as a builder and on the Left

working as a builder and on the Left

working as a builder and on the Left Steve Tucker an accountant by day we

Steve Tucker an accountant by day we

Steve Tucker an accountant by day we showed them what we were looking for

showed them what we were looking for

showed them what we were looking for kind of cast photographs and sent them

kind of cast photographs and sent them

kind of cast photographs and sent them into some of these deeper recesses Steve

into some of these deeper recesses Steve

into some of these deeper recesses Steve and Rick went into the site that they

and Rick went into the site that they

and Rick went into the site that they expected the least from perhaps the

expected the least from perhaps the

expected the least from perhaps the best-known cave site in South Africa if

best-known cave site in South Africa if

best-known cave site in South Africa if not in Africa the rising star system it

not in Africa the rising star system it

not in Africa the rising star system it was completely mapped or so they thought

was completely mapped or so they thought

was completely mapped or so they thought until they work their way on that late

until they work their way on that late

until they work their way on that late evening up an area after spending four

evening up an area after spending four

evening up an area after spending four and a half hours going through torturous

and a half hours going through torturous

and a half hours going through torturous sort of little squeezes and crevices up

sort of little squeezes and crevices up

sort of little squeezes and crevices up a thing that’s called Dragons back on

a thing that’s called Dragons back on

a thing that’s called Dragons back on the map a series of collapses it’s knife

the map a series of collapses it’s knife

the map a series of collapses it’s knife dead they were 40 meters underground

dead they were 40 meters underground

dead they were 40 meters underground they climbed about 20 meters to look

they climbed about 20 meters to look

they climbed about 20 meters to look down a little slot so seven and a half

down a little slot so seven and a half

down a little slot so seven and a half inches wide into the darkness and of

inches wide into the darkness and of

inches wide into the darkness and of course they went down down more than 60

course they went down down more than 60

course they went down down more than 60 feet into this narrow slot squeezing

feet into this narrow slot squeezing

feet into this narrow slot squeezing their way and not knowing if it was

their way and not knowing if it was

their way and not knowing if it was going to open up at any time and down

going to open up at any time and down

going to open up at any time and down you drop at the bottom they entered a

you drop at the bottom they entered a

you drop at the bottom they entered a little narrow passage and there they

little narrow passage and there they

little narrow passage and there they began to immediately see small white

began to immediately see small white

began to immediately see small white bits on the ground that looked like

bits on the ground that looked like

bits on the ground that looked like bones they followed them in which led to

bones they followed them in which led to

bones they followed them in which led to a slightly larger chamber and there they

a slightly larger chamber and there they

a slightly larger chamber and there they saw material on the ground they thought

saw material on the ground they thought

saw material on the ground they thought looked a lot like what I told them we

looked a lot like what I told them we

looked a lot like what I told them we were looking for October 1st 2013 I was

were looking for October 1st 2013 I was

were looking for October 1st 2013 I was sitting at home the front intercom at my

sitting at home the front intercom at my

sitting at home the front intercom at my gate went I picked up the intercom and

gate went I picked up the intercom and

gate went I picked up the intercom and there a voice said you gotta want to let

there a voice said you gotta want to let

there a voice said you gotta want to let us in it was creepy just like that

it was Pedro and I opened the gate

it was Pedro and I opened the gate eventually and let him in and there

eventually and let him in and there

eventually and let him in and there Steve opened up his laptop and I saw the

Steve opened up his laptop and I saw the

Steve opened up his laptop and I saw the most extraordinary pictures I thought I

most extraordinary pictures I thought I

most extraordinary pictures I thought I would never see in my life

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