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it’s fair to say that North Korea is one

it’s fair to say that North Korea is one of the most isolated least understood

of the most isolated least understood

of the most isolated least understood places on earth part of the reason that

places on earth part of the reason that

places on earth part of the reason that it is so misunderstood nothing is known

it is so misunderstood nothing is known

it is so misunderstood nothing is known about it there’s been very few

about it there’s been very few

about it there’s been very few photographs that have ever been taken

photographs that have ever been taken

photographs that have ever been taken there

The Associated Press in 2011 came up

The Associated Press in 2011 came up with the idea to open an office in North

with the idea to open an office in North

with the idea to open an office in North Korea and I begged them to let me be the

Korea and I begged them to let me be the

Korea and I begged them to let me be the Pyongyang photographer if it worked and

Pyongyang photographer if it worked and

Pyongyang photographer if it worked and they did I went there and that meant

they did I went there and that meant

they did I went there and that meant that I was the first Western

that I was the first Western

that I was the first Western photographer to ever have regular access

photographer to ever have regular access

photographer to ever have regular access to the country and between then and now

to the country and between then and now

to the country and between then and now I’ve made about 40 almost 50 trips to

I’ve made about 40 almost 50 trips to

I’ve made about 40 almost 50 trips to North Korea it was a very difficult

North Korea it was a very difficult

North Korea it was a very difficult place to work unlike any other you can’t

place to work unlike any other you can’t

place to work unlike any other you can’t just move around freely and do whatever

just move around freely and do whatever

just move around freely and do whatever you want a guide goes with you

you want a guide goes with you

you want a guide goes with you everywhere and they are sort of half

everywhere and they are sort of half

everywhere and they are sort of half facilitator half babysitter

facilitator half babysitter

facilitator half babysitter they didn’t censor what I did they

they didn’t censor what I did they

they didn’t censor what I did they didn’t put their hand in front of my

didn’t put their hand in front of my

didn’t put their hand in front of my lens but they did have a very different

lens but they did have a very different

lens but they did have a very different idea of how I should be portraying their

idea of how I should be portraying their

idea of how I should be portraying their country and in fact they had a very

country and in fact they had a very

country and in fact they had a very different idea of what photojournalism

different idea of what photojournalism

different idea of what photojournalism is completely the word propagandist is

is completely the word propagandist is

is completely the word propagandist is not a dirty word in North Korea it’s

not a dirty word in North Korea it’s

not a dirty word in North Korea it’s what they do at their news agency but I

what they do at their news agency but I

what they do at their news agency but I went there I think with an open mind and

went there I think with an open mind and

went there I think with an open mind and a free mind and a point of view this is

a free mind and a point of view this is

a free mind and a point of view this is their version of NASA on the week that

their version of NASA on the week that

their version of NASA on the week that the North Koreans were going to

the North Koreans were going to

the North Koreans were going to test-fire a missile the whole world was

test-fire a missile the whole world was

test-fire a missile the whole world was condemning them and saying that it was a

condemning them and saying that it was a

condemning them and saying that it was a test of a nuclear capable rocket the

test of a nuclear capable rocket the

test of a nuclear capable rocket the North Koreans are saying no this is a

North Koreans are saying no this is a

North Koreans are saying no this is a rocket we’re going to put into space to

rocket we’re going to put into space to

rocket we’re going to put into space to put a weather satellite so they took us

put a weather satellite so they took us

put a weather satellite so they took us there so that I could photograph it this

there so that I could photograph it this

there so that I could photograph it this is the best example what my job was

is the best example what my job was

is the best example what my job was while I was in North Korea I was

while I was in North Korea I was

while I was in North Korea I was interpreting reality trying to decide

interpreting reality trying to decide

interpreting reality trying to decide what was real and what was not real and

what was real and what was not real and

what was real and what was not real and I did that through photography the

I did that through photography the

I did that through photography the content of the photography but also the

content of the photography but also the

content of the photography but also the composition the humor the whimsy I

composition the humor the whimsy I

composition the humor the whimsy I wasn’t the senior most American diplomat

wasn’t the senior most American diplomat

wasn’t the senior most American diplomat in North Korea it was this guy here he

in North Korea it was this guy here he

in North Korea it was this guy here he is smoking cigar in the gym helping pick

is smoking cigar in the gym helping pick

is smoking cigar in the gym helping pick the national basketball team Dennis

the national basketball team Dennis

the national basketball team Dennis Rodman I covered the spectacles in the

Rodman I covered the spectacles in the

Rodman I covered the spectacles in the propaganda this was a mass synchronized

propaganda this was a mass synchronized

propaganda this was a mass synchronized swimming event for the birthday of the

swimming event for the birthday of the

swimming event for the birthday of the leader they were swimming or dancing to

leader they were swimming or dancing to

leader they were swimming or dancing to a song called we will defend Kim jong-un

a song called we will defend Kim jong-un

a song called we will defend Kim jong-un with our very lives and this is the

with our very lives and this is the

with our very lives and this is the National Football State

National Football State

National Football State and they hold this thing that they call

and they hold this thing that they call

and they hold this thing that they call mass games it’s like a wonder of the

mass games it’s like a wonder of the

mass games it’s like a wonder of the world a hundred thousand people in the

world a hundred thousand people in the

world a hundred thousand people in the stands holding these books with colored

stands holding these books with colored

stands holding these books with colored pages and they flip them and they create

pages and they flip them and they create

pages and they flip them and they create these mass mosaics they look like little

these mass mosaics they look like little

these mass mosaics they look like little pixels but you for the long enough lens

pixels but you for the long enough lens

pixels but you for the long enough lens you can see that they’re actually human

you can see that they’re actually human

you can see that they’re actually human pixels a little faces peeking over the

pixels a little faces peeking over the

pixels a little faces peeking over the tops of the books eggs with legs and

tops of the books eggs with legs and

tops of the books eggs with legs and sometimes you just have to photograph

sometimes you just have to photograph

sometimes you just have to photograph whatever’s right in front of you I don’t

whatever’s right in front of you I don’t

whatever’s right in front of you I don’t really have to try so hard that’s kind

really have to try so hard that’s kind

really have to try so hard that’s kind of the way I worked everywhere I went

of the way I worked everywhere I went

of the way I worked everywhere I went you know if they took me to a patriotic

you know if they took me to a patriotic

you know if they took me to a patriotic flag factory or a school for Performing

flag factory or a school for Performing

flag factory or a school for Performing Arts I just pretty much photographed

Arts I just pretty much photographed

Arts I just pretty much photographed what was in front of me I thought it was

what was in front of me I thought it was

what was in front of me I thought it was revealing to show how the Koreans wanted

revealing to show how the Koreans wanted

revealing to show how the Koreans wanted to present themselves in their country

to present themselves in their country

to present themselves in their country and over time I got further and further

and over time I got further and further

and over time I got further and further away from the spectacles and away from

away from the spectacles and away from

away from the spectacles and away from the Capitol and out into places that

the Capitol and out into places that

the Capitol and out into places that really no other foreigners had ever been

really no other foreigners had ever been

really no other foreigners had ever been and certainly very few photographers had

and certainly very few photographers had

and certainly very few photographers had ever seen and maybe was even more

ever seen and maybe was even more

ever seen and maybe was even more important to me is that I found my way

important to me is that I found my way

important to me is that I found my way into people’s homes and into people’s

into people’s homes and into people’s

into people’s homes and into people’s offices like this woman was a secretary

offices like this woman was a secretary

offices like this woman was a secretary at the Korean Central News Agency with

at the Korean Central News Agency with

at the Korean Central News Agency with her little aquarium full of fish and I

her little aquarium full of fish and I

her little aquarium full of fish and I could look into people’s eyes and feel

could look into people’s eyes and feel

could look into people’s eyes and feel like I actually could make a connection

like I actually could make a connection

like I actually could make a connection to Koreans I traveled within Secretary

to Koreans I traveled within Secretary

to Koreans I traveled within Secretary of State Madeleine Albright as she met

of State Madeleine Albright as she met

of State Madeleine Albright as she met with then leader Kim jong-il we stood in

with then leader Kim jong-il we stood in

with then leader Kim jong-il we stood in this Wizard of Oz looking Palace and

this Wizard of Oz looking Palace and

this Wizard of Oz looking Palace and we’re all alone waiting for him to come

we’re all alone waiting for him to come

we’re all alone waiting for him to come in the room and she’s looked at me and

in the room and she’s looked at me and

in the room and she’s looked at me and said what should I do

said what should I do

said what should I do where should I stand I said I don’t have

where should I stand I said I don’t have

where should I stand I said I don’t have no idea we stood on these big flowers

no idea we stood on these big flowers

no idea we stood on these big flowers and then the door open and he walked in

and then the door open and he walked in

and then the door open and he walked in and it was like I’d only seen this kind

and it was like I’d only seen this kind

and it was like I’d only seen this kind of fantasy on in a movie before and it

of fantasy on in a movie before and it

of fantasy on in a movie before and it was like he just stepped out of the

was like he just stepped out of the

was like he just stepped out of the screen into this room it was the first

screen into this room it was the first

screen into this room it was the first time that I understood how I connected

time that I understood how I connected

time that I understood how I connected to the that country and how surreal and

to the that country and how surreal and

to the that country and how surreal and how I connected as a photographer but

how I connected as a photographer but

how I connected as a photographer but also it was the first time I realized

also it was the first time I realized

also it was the first time I realized how important the work that I could do

how important the work that I could do

how important the work that I could do there if I could only invest my time and

there if I could only invest my time and

there if I could only invest my time and commit to the place it wasn’t easy at

commit to the place it wasn’t easy at

commit to the place it wasn’t easy at the beginning everyone watches you there

the beginning everyone watches you there

the beginning everyone watches you there and on my first trip with Madeleine

and on my first trip with Madeleine

and on my first trip with Madeleine Albright when it came out of the airport

Albright when it came out of the airport

Albright when it came out of the airport they drew the drapes on the bus

they drew the drapes on the bus

they drew the drapes on the bus put black plastic over the windows of my

put black plastic over the windows of my

put black plastic over the windows of my hotel I couldn’t see out I felt like

hotel I couldn’t see out I felt like

hotel I couldn’t see out I felt like there was nothing real out there was all

there was nothing real out there was all

there was nothing real out there was all just a facade but over the years through

just a facade but over the years through

just a facade but over the years through photography I could peek around out to

photography I could peek around out to

photography I could peek around out to the other side of those curtains and I

the other side of those curtains and I

the other side of those curtains and I came to understand that there was real

came to understand that there was real

came to understand that there was real life in North Korea and through my

life in North Korea and through my

life in North Korea and through my pictures I tried to take everybody else

pictures I tried to take everybody else

pictures I tried to take everybody else on that same journey there was no better

on that same journey there was no better

on that same journey there was no better place than North Korea to test the power

place than North Korea to test the power

place than North Korea to test the power of photography photography carries

of photography photography carries

of photography photography carries meaning and mood in ways that writing or

meaning and mood in ways that writing or

meaning and mood in ways that writing or any other medium can’t so when this pale

any other medium can’t so when this pale

any other medium can’t so when this pale pink curtain comes down just covers the

pink curtain comes down just covers the

pink curtain comes down just covers the eyes of the people in Pyongyang I can

eyes of the people in Pyongyang I can

eyes of the people in Pyongyang I can say something that I couldn’t say in

say something that I couldn’t say in

say something that I couldn’t say in words and photography has multiple

words and photography has multiple

words and photography has multiple meanings and interpretations this is

meanings and interpretations this is

meanings and interpretations this is kind of how I survived there the line

kind of how I survived there the line

kind of how I survived there the line that I walked this was a vocational

that I walked this was a vocational

that I walked this was a vocational school for children to teach them how to

school for children to teach them how to

school for children to teach them how to be farmers the Koreans took me there and

be farmers the Koreans took me there and

be farmers the Koreans took me there and they were very proud to show me this

they were very proud to show me this

they were very proud to show me this very high-tech tractor simulator of

very high-tech tractor simulator of

very high-tech tractor simulator of course for people outside they see it

course for people outside they see it

course for people outside they see it differently we see their care and their

differently we see their care and their

differently we see their care and their love for their children but to us this

love for their children but to us this

love for their children but to us this is a practice tractor with this sort of

is a practice tractor with this sort of

is a practice tractor with this sort of dose level computer terminal on top we

dose level computer terminal on top we

dose level computer terminal on top we had a lot of very tough arguments about

had a lot of very tough arguments about

had a lot of very tough arguments about why did you take that photograph we saw

why did you take that photograph we saw

why did you take that photograph we saw that picture that doesn’t make us look

that picture that doesn’t make us look

that picture that doesn’t make us look good but I could always fall back on

good but I could always fall back on

good but I could always fall back on photography I could hold it up and say

photography I could hold it up and say

photography I could hold it up and say this is what I saw I was there this is

this is what I saw I was there this is

this is what I saw I was there this is what we saw I use many different camera

what we saw I use many different camera

what we saw I use many different camera formats not just to be arty but because

formats not just to be arty but because

formats not just to be arty but because of the cat-and-mouse game I had to play

of the cat-and-mouse game I had to play

of the cat-and-mouse game I had to play when I worked this is an old-fashioned

when I worked this is an old-fashioned

when I worked this is an old-fashioned camera that don’t make anymore a

camera that don’t make anymore a

camera that don’t make anymore a Hasselblad X pan a film camera I wore it

Hasselblad X pan a film camera I wore it

Hasselblad X pan a film camera I wore it around my neck I had a cable release so

around my neck I had a cable release so

around my neck I had a cable release so I could just talk and smile take

I could just talk and smile take

I could just talk and smile take pictures and I had a little carpenter’s

pictures and I had a little carpenter’s

pictures and I had a little carpenter’s level in the flash mount so I can make

level in the flash mount so I can make

level in the flash mount so I can make sure that my horizons are always

sure that my horizons are always

sure that my horizons are always straight and when I picked up my big

straight and when I picked up my big

straight and when I picked up my big fancy National Geographic camera

fancy National Geographic camera

fancy National Geographic camera sometimes people were a bit intimidated

sometimes people were a bit intimidated

sometimes people were a bit intimidated and the guide certainly watched me a

and the guide certainly watched me a

and the guide certainly watched me a little bit more closely but when I use

little bit more closely but when I use

little bit more closely but when I use this one they would say oh that’s just

this one they would say oh that’s just

this one they would say oh that’s just David’s old-timey camera and I did the

David’s old-timey camera and I did the

David’s old-timey camera and I did the same with my mobile phone I took my

same with my mobile phone I took my

same with my mobile phone I took my mobile phone and

mobile phone and

mobile phone and North Korea everybody by now is a mobile

North Korea everybody by now is a mobile

North Korea everybody by now is a mobile phone photographer we all are even the

phone photographer we all are even the

phone photographer we all are even the North Koreans take pictures with their

North Koreans take pictures with their

North Koreans take pictures with their phones believe it or not and I was able

phones believe it or not and I was able

phones believe it or not and I was able to do things that I couldn’t do with my

to do things that I couldn’t do with my

to do things that I couldn’t do with my big cameras it was normal for them to

big cameras it was normal for them to

big cameras it was normal for them to see me with a mobile phone taking

see me with a mobile phone taking

see me with a mobile phone taking pictures and I would also stop and

pictures and I would also stop and

pictures and I would also stop and photograph things that I wouldn’t

photograph things that I wouldn’t

photograph things that I wouldn’t normally notice if I was working as a

normally notice if I was working as a

normally notice if I was working as a photojournalist things that you rush

photojournalist things that you rush

photojournalist things that you rush past on your way to telling the news

past on your way to telling the news

past on your way to telling the news things that are a little simple still

things that are a little simple still

things that are a little simple still lives that make up the life around you

lives that make up the life around you

lives that make up the life around you and they’re pieces of the puzzle and

and they’re pieces of the puzzle and

and they’re pieces of the puzzle and explaining a country like North Korea

explaining a country like North Korea

explaining a country like North Korea they didn’t allow mobile phones into the

they didn’t allow mobile phones into the

they didn’t allow mobile phones into the country until 2013 he used to be I would

country until 2013 he used to be I would

country until 2013 he used to be I would arrive at the country and they would

arrive at the country and they would

arrive at the country and they would take it away and lock it up in a box

take it away and lock it up in a box

take it away and lock it up in a box 2013 they suddenly said Oh foreigners

2013 they suddenly said Oh foreigners

2013 they suddenly said Oh foreigners can bring their phones into the country

can bring their phones into the country

can bring their phones into the country not only that but they opened a 3G

not only that but they opened a 3G

not only that but they opened a 3G network Koryo link and you could do

network Koryo link and you could do

network Koryo link and you could do everything that we do anywhere with our

everything that we do anywhere with our

everything that we do anywhere with our phones right in the streets of North

phones right in the streets of North

phones right in the streets of North Korea suddenly I was sending pictures to

Korea suddenly I was sending pictures to

Korea suddenly I was sending pictures to the world tens of thousands of people

the world tens of thousands of people

the world tens of thousands of people following me right from a village or on

following me right from a village or on

following me right from a village or on the street in that way sort of

the street in that way sort of

the street in that way sort of everything became worthy of photography

everything became worthy of photography

everything became worthy of photography worthy of my attention I think a piece

worthy of my attention I think a piece

worthy of my attention I think a piece in the puzzle I started buying things

in the puzzle I started buying things

in the puzzle I started buying things collecting things and photographing them

collecting things and photographing them

collecting things and photographing them and putting them out on my Instagram

and putting them out on my Instagram

and putting them out on my Instagram account I started an artefact series

account I started an artefact series

account I started an artefact series North Korean artifact 101-102

North Korean artifact 101-102

North Korean artifact 101-102 this was the first one the great teacher

this was the first one the great teacher

this was the first one the great teacher of journalists a book I bought in the

of journalists a book I bought in the

of journalists a book I bought in the bookshop North Korean artifact 102

bookshop North Korean artifact 102

bookshop North Korean artifact 102 mountain mushroom moonshine hangover

mountain mushroom moonshine hangover

mountain mushroom moonshine hangover chaser tea I think this one was made for

chaser tea I think this one was made for

chaser tea I think this one was made for export money that was no longer in

export money that was no longer in

export money that was no longer in circulation a debit card from the bank

circulation a debit card from the bank

circulation a debit card from the bank sheet music for piano a cookbook from

sheet music for piano a cookbook from

sheet music for piano a cookbook from North Korea here’s a good one the

North Korea here’s a good one the

North Korea here’s a good one the intercontinental ballistic missile test

intercontinental ballistic missile test

intercontinental ballistic missile test firing commemorative greeting card and

firing commemorative greeting card and

firing commemorative greeting card and these were a hedgehog quill toothpicks I

these were a hedgehog quill toothpicks I

these were a hedgehog quill toothpicks I photographed them all and they became

photographed them all and they became

photographed them all and they became this sort of popular or like museum

this sort of popular or like museum

this sort of popular or like museum series on my Instagram account so every

series on my Instagram account so every

series on my Instagram account so every day I would go out to some new and

day I would go out to some new and

day I would go out to some new and strange place this was a flower festival

strange place this was a flower festival

strange place this was a flower festival for their national flowers the Kim Jong

for their national flowers the Kim Jong

for their national flowers the Kim Jong Aliyah and the Kindle Suniya and I would

Aliyah and the Kindle Suniya and I would

Aliyah and the Kindle Suniya and I would go back to my hotel and I would

go back to my hotel and I would

go back to my hotel and I would my pictures back to the newspapers and

my pictures back to the newspapers and

my pictures back to the newspapers and magazines and I would post these on

magazines and I would post these on

magazines and I would post these on Instagram and I had nothing else to do

Instagram and I had nothing else to do

Instagram and I had nothing else to do the only thing that I could do was watch

the only thing that I could do was watch

the only thing that I could do was watch state sponsored propaganda on TV so I

state sponsored propaganda on TV so I

state sponsored propaganda on TV so I would sit and read the comments on

would sit and read the comments on

would sit and read the comments on Instagram and people would ask me

Instagram and people would ask me

Instagram and people would ask me questions and I would answer them and

questions and I would answer them and

questions and I would answer them and they would have all these stereotypes

they would have all these stereotypes

they would have all these stereotypes and I would get into arguments and it

and I would get into arguments and it

and I would get into arguments and it was my form of entertainment while I was

was my form of entertainment while I was

was my form of entertainment while I was there they called him followers on

there they called him followers on

there they called him followers on Instagram but it felt like that feel

Instagram but it felt like that feel

Instagram but it felt like that feel like they followed me out into the field

like they followed me out into the field

like they followed me out into the field that they were with me when I was there

that they were with me when I was there

that they were with me when I was there they became interested in North Korea

they became interested in North Korea

they became interested in North Korea that became invested in me and what I

that became invested in me and what I

that became invested in me and what I was doing and it was a very different

was doing and it was a very different

was doing and it was a very different experience that I’d ever had as a

experience that I’d ever had as a

experience that I’d ever had as a photojournalist

photojournalist

photojournalist so just publishing at people it was a

so just publishing at people it was a

so just publishing at people it was a more dynamic conversation and it wasn’t

more dynamic conversation and it wasn’t

more dynamic conversation and it wasn’t just Instagram I was doing all social

just Instagram I was doing all social

just Instagram I was doing all social media with my phone in North Korea

media with my phone in North Korea

media with my phone in North Korea Instagram I was tweeting I started using

Instagram I was tweeting I started using

Instagram I was tweeting I started using Foursquare i rated did restaurant

Foursquare i rated did restaurant

Foursquare i rated did restaurant reviews in Pyongyang and I opened up

reviews in Pyongyang and I opened up

reviews in Pyongyang and I opened up Google Maps one day and I saw that it

Google Maps one day and I saw that it

Google Maps one day and I saw that it was practically empty

was practically empty

was practically empty and so through Foursquare I started

and so through Foursquare I started

and so through Foursquare I started plotting red flags naming streets and

plotting red flags naming streets and

plotting red flags naming streets and naming intersections and buildings where

naming intersections and buildings where

naming intersections and buildings where else in the world can you feel like in

else in the world can you feel like in

else in the world can you feel like in the 21st century feel like a National

the 21st century feel like a National

the 21st century feel like a National Geographic Explorer from the 19th

Geographic Explorer from the 19th

Geographic Explorer from the 19th century besides North Korea with a

century besides North Korea with a

century besides North Korea with a mobile phone all I really wanted to do

mobile phone all I really wanted to do

mobile phone all I really wanted to do when I was there was open a window onto

when I was there was open a window onto

when I was there was open a window onto a country that people knew nothing about

a country that people knew nothing about

a country that people knew nothing about to get past all the geopolitics and all

to get past all the geopolitics and all

to get past all the geopolitics and all the saber-rattling between countries and

the saber-rattling between countries and

the saber-rattling between countries and to show that some young army conscript

to show that some young army conscript

to show that some young army conscript like that was a real person and to show

like that was a real person and to show

like that was a real person and to show that there was something worth

that there was something worth

that there was something worth understanding and worth discovering

understanding and worth discovering

understanding and worth discovering there I had never photographed birds

there I had never photographed birds

there I had never photographed birds before I’m not a I wasn’t a bird watcher

before I’m not a I wasn’t a bird watcher

before I’m not a I wasn’t a bird watcher and my friends who are all conflict

and my friends who are all conflict

and my friends who are all conflict photographers said you’re taking

photographers said you’re taking

photographers said you’re taking pictures of birds like going on

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