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Perennial Seller: The Art of MAKING and MARKETING Work that LASTS ft. @ryanholiday


what’s up everybody welcome to another

what’s up everybody welcome to another YouTube hangout super excited to be here

YouTube hangout super excited to be here

YouTube hangout super excited to be here with my friend and the author of a new

with my friend and the author of a new

with my friend and the author of a new book called perennial seller what do we

book called perennial seller what do we

book called perennial seller what do we got here the art of making and marketing

got here the art of making and marketing

got here the art of making and marketing work that last mr. Ryan holiday back on

work that last mr. Ryan holiday back on

work that last mr. Ryan holiday back on the show how you doing Ryan I’m doing

the show how you doing Ryan I’m doing

the show how you doing Ryan I’m doing great it’s good to talk to you again man

great it’s good to talk to you again man

great it’s good to talk to you again man so so you know I met Ryan painting in

so so you know I met Ryan painting in

so so you know I met Ryan painting in New York when I was just about to launch

New York when I was just about to launch

New York when I was just about to launch my book your one word and he was telling

my book your one word and he was telling

my book your one word and he was telling me what’s your goal is your goal to make

me what’s your goal is your goal to make

me what’s your goal is your goal to make the New York Times bestseller list or is

the New York Times bestseller list or is

the New York Times bestseller list or is your goal to have something that kind of

your goal to have something that kind of

your goal to have something that kind of lasts and like you know I would love to

lasts and like you know I would love to

lasts and like you know I would love to make a list but really I want people to

make a list but really I want people to

make a list but really I want people to read the book I wanted to be evergreen

read the book I wanted to be evergreen

read the book I wanted to be evergreen content that in 10 20 40 years it’s

content that in 10 20 40 years it’s

content that in 10 20 40 years it’s still applicable and eager and he said

still applicable and eager and he said

still applicable and eager and he said you told me that’s the other thing

you told me that’s the other thing

you told me that’s the other thing that’s the right thing he’s like yes

that’s the right thing he’s like yes

that’s the right thing he’s like yes it’s great to hit the list but you won’t

it’s great to hit the list but you won’t

it’s great to hit the list but you won’t work that lasts and here’s now his book

work that lasts and here’s now his book

work that lasts and here’s now his book on how to create and market work that

on how to create and market work that

on how to create and market work that lasts oh I love it we’re relying on the

lasts oh I love it we’re relying on the

lasts oh I love it we’re relying on the vision let me let me put the book here

vision let me let me put the book here

vision let me let me put the book here some people can see it next to my new

some people can see it next to my new

some people can see it next to my new one coming out tell me tell me in my

one coming out tell me tell me in my

one coming out tell me tell me in my audience just like quick story behind

audience just like quick story behind

audience just like quick story behind the book what it’s about what you hope

the book what it’s about what you hope

the book what it’s about what you hope people get from reading it well so it’s

people get from reading it well so it’s

people get from reading it well so it’s actually really interesting if you look

actually really interesting if you look

actually really interesting if you look at the New York Times bestseller list

at the New York Times bestseller list

at the New York Times bestseller list which the average person thing sort of

which the average person thing sort of

which the average person thing sort of reflects you know the best-selling books

reflects you know the best-selling books

reflects you know the best-selling books in the country each week and you go to

in the country each week and you go to

in the country each week and you go to the fine print it actually says we

the fine print it actually says we

the fine print it actually says we exclude so-called perennial sellers and

exclude so-called perennial sellers and

exclude so-called perennial sellers and the reason they do that is you know the

the reason they do that is you know the

the reason they do that is you know the number one best-selling book in the

number one best-selling book in the

number one best-selling book in the country every week would be the Bible

country every week would be the Bible

country every week would be the Bible and then it would probably be Harry

and then it would probably be Harry

and then it would probably be Harry Potter and then this secret and a bunch

Potter and then this secret and a bunch

Potter and then this secret and a bunch of other books right some of these books

of other books right some of these books

of other books right some of these books are great some of these books are not

are great some of these books are not

are great some of these books are not great but the truth is the vast majority

great but the truth is the vast majority

great but the truth is the vast majority of sales in the book industry some

of sales in the book industry some

of sales in the book industry some people have estimated as high as 90% our

people have estimated as high as 90% our

people have estimated as high as 90% our books that are more than a year old we

books that are more than a year old we

books that are more than a year old we call this the back list right and even

call this the back list right and even

call this the back list right and even even on the average website like if I

even on the average website like if I

even on the average website like if I bet if I looked at your archive and then

bet if I looked at your archive and then

bet if I looked at your archive and then I was like okay what did the most

I was like okay what did the most

I was like okay what did the most traffic in a given week or a given month

traffic in a given week or a given month

traffic in a given week or a given month it wouldn’t be your brand-new stuff it’d

it wouldn’t be your brand-new stuff it’d

it wouldn’t be your brand-new stuff it’d be things that you made a year ago or

be things that you made a year ago or

be things that you made a year ago or one year or two years ago or even five

one year or two years ago or even five

one year or two years ago or even five or six years ago and so we have this

or six years ago and so we have this

or six years ago and so we have this bias towards newness because that’s

bias towards newness because that’s

bias towards newness because that’s what’s exciting but the truth is the

what’s exciting but the truth is the

what’s exciting but the truth is the vast majority of revenue and interest

vast majority of revenue and interest

vast majority of revenue and interest comes from the established the so called

comes from the established the so called

comes from the established the so called classics it’s interesting right in the

classics it’s interesting right in the

classics it’s interesting right in the startup world we don’t we don’t look at

startup world we don’t we don’t look at

startup world we don’t we don’t look at the startups that have been around the

the startups that have been around the

the startups that have been around the longest or that have made the most money

longest or that have made the most money

longest or that have made the most money we look at the startups that have

we look at the startups that have

we look at the startups that have raised the most money right we want to

raised the most money right we want to

raised the most money right we want to look at who’s announcing a new

look at who’s announcing a new

look at who’s announcing a new fundraising round on TechCrunch we don’t

fundraising round on TechCrunch we don’t

fundraising round on TechCrunch we don’t go hey look who’s doing really well and

go hey look who’s doing really well and

go hey look who’s doing really well and so what I was trying to do in the book

so what I was trying to do in the book

so what I was trying to do in the book was really sort of least Center people

was really sort of least Center people

was really sort of least Center people on the things that matter it’s like we

on the things that matter it’s like we

on the things that matter it’s like we all claim that we want to make a company

all claim that we want to make a company

all claim that we want to make a company or a video or content or a book that’s

or a video or content or a book that’s

or a video or content or a book that’s gonna stand the test of time and then we

gonna stand the test of time and then we

gonna stand the test of time and then we measure ourselves against these you know

measure ourselves against these you know

measure ourselves against these you know we measure ourselves against the second

we measure ourselves against the second

we measure ourselves against the second hand rather than you know the the month

hand rather than you know the the month

hand rather than you know the the month or the years and so I’m trying to get

or the years and so I’m trying to get

or the years and so I’m trying to get people to sort of reset their

people to sort of reset their

people to sort of reset their expectations and think about it more in

expectations and think about it more in

expectations and think about it more in the long term because because that’s

the long term because because that’s

the long term because because that’s where I think meaningful work is done

where I think meaningful work is done

where I think meaningful work is done got it so so if we look at if you went

got it so so if we look at if you went

got it so so if we look at if you went to New York Times list and found

to New York Times list and found

to New York Times list and found whatever was number one right now

whatever was number one right now

whatever was number one right now yeah let’s based on the past week sales

yeah let’s based on the past week sales

yeah let’s based on the past week sales yeah where do you think that book would

yeah where do you think that book would

yeah where do you think that book would rank in the actual like book sold this

rank in the actual like book sold this

rank in the actual like book sold this week well it’s it totally depends right

week well it’s it totally depends right

week well it’s it totally depends right I mean even even the New York Times

I mean even even the New York Times

I mean even even the New York Times bestseller list is filtering you know it

bestseller list is filtering you know it

bestseller list is filtering you know it heavily weighs independent retail versus

heavily weighs independent retail versus

heavily weighs independent retail versus say Costco or Walmart sales it heavily

say Costco or Walmart sales it heavily

say Costco or Walmart sales it heavily weighs physical stores over Amazon and

weighs physical stores over Amazon and

weighs physical stores over Amazon and and then it also discounts book orders

and then it also discounts book orders

and then it also discounts book orders right so if you’re if you have a huge

right so if you’re if you have a huge

right so if you’re if you have a huge audience and you were doing an event in

audience and you were doing an event in

audience and you were doing an event in front of 2,000 people tomorrow and they

front of 2,000 people tomorrow and they

front of 2,000 people tomorrow and they each bought a copy at your event those

each bought a copy at your event those

each bought a copy at your event those copies wouldn’t count for the sales on

copies wouldn’t count for the sales on

copies wouldn’t count for the sales on the list and so there’s all these

the list and so there’s all these

the list and so there’s all these criteria that make the thing that looks

criteria that make the thing that looks

criteria that make the thing that looks like it’s popular right now actually

like it’s popular right now actually

like it’s popular right now actually artificially seem artificially more

artificially seem artificially more

artificially seem artificially more popular than it actually is and so right

popular than it actually is and so right

popular than it actually is and so right even think about it this way right a

even think about it this way right a

even think about it this way right a book that sells 10,000 copies in a

book that sells 10,000 copies in a

book that sells 10,000 copies in a single week is considered a best-seller

single week is considered a best-seller

single week is considered a best-seller but a book that sells 20,000 copies over

but a book that sells 20,000 copies over

but a book that sells 20,000 copies over the course of a year obviously sold

the course of a year obviously sold

the course of a year obviously sold twice as many copies but it might not

twice as many copies but it might not

twice as many copies but it might not ever appear on one of those bestseller

ever appear on one of those bestseller

ever appear on one of those bestseller lists so it’s really important to know

lists so it’s really important to know

lists so it’s really important to know that most popular or bestseller does not

that most popular or bestseller does not

that most popular or bestseller does not mean it was the bestseller over a longer

mean it was the bestseller over a longer

mean it was the bestseller over a longer period of time it doesn’t mean that it’s

period of time it doesn’t mean that it’s

period of time it doesn’t mean that it’s going to continue to sell it just means

going to continue to sell it just means

going to continue to sell it just means in that sort of tiny snapshot of time it

in that sort of tiny snapshot of time it

in that sort of tiny snapshot of time it hit some artificial criteria and

hit some artificial criteria and

hit some artificial criteria and look Star Wars gets beaten at the box

look Star Wars gets beaten at the box

look Star Wars gets beaten at the box office its opening weekend by Smokey and

office its opening weekend by Smokey and

office its opening weekend by Smokey and the Bandit

the Bandit

the Bandit but clearly Star Wars wins over the long

but clearly Star Wars wins over the long

but clearly Star Wars wins over the long term because one of the most valuable

term because one of the most valuable

term because one of the most valuable franchises you know in the history of

franchises you know in the history of

franchises you know in the history of art and so I’m pushing people more

art and so I’m pushing people more

art and so I’m pushing people more towards that right so so I’m just

towards that right so so I’m just

towards that right so so I’m just curious to the relative difference like

curious to the relative difference like

curious to the relative difference like if if I if you sell ten thousand copies

if if I if you sell ten thousand copies

if if I if you sell ten thousand copies of book you’re gonna hit the best of a

of book you’re gonna hit the best of a

of book you’re gonna hit the best of a list on average yeah probably it’s gonna

list on average yeah probably it’s gonna

list on average yeah probably it’s gonna depend on the criteria it’s gonna depend

depend on the criteria it’s gonna depend

depend on the criteria it’s gonna depend on what what category your book is in it

on what what category your book is in it

on what what category your book is in it also depends on who else came out that

also depends on who else came out that

also depends on who else came out that given week so write your book if you

given week so write your book if you

given week so write your book if you have the unfortunate timing to be

have the unfortunate timing to be

have the unfortunate timing to be released you know the week before

released you know the week before

released you know the week before Christmas

Christmas

Christmas your a lot of other books are gonna sell

your a lot of other books are gonna sell

your a lot of other books are gonna sell a lot more copies whereas if that same

a lot more copies whereas if that same

a lot more copies whereas if that same book was released in June you might

book was released in June you might

book was released in June you might debut at number one so you might not hit

debut at number one so you might not hit

debut at number one so you might not hit the list one-month debut at number one a

the list one-month debut at number one a

the list one-month debut at number one a different month and so my point is

different month and so my point is

different month and so my point is because these things are so arbitrary

because these things are so arbitrary

because these things are so arbitrary and again such a small measurement of

and again such a small measurement of

and again such a small measurement of time and sales they really have no

time and sales they really have no

time and sales they really have no bearing on whether that work is going to

bearing on whether that work is going to

bearing on whether that work is going to continue to be relevant over like who

continue to be relevant over like who

continue to be relevant over like who cares whether the great gatsby came out

cares whether the great gatsby came out

cares whether the great gatsby came out as was a best-seller and I I don’t

as was a best-seller and I I don’t

as was a best-seller and I I don’t remember how much money the shawshank

remember how much money the shawshank

remember how much money the shawshank redemption’ made its opening weekend at

redemption’ made its opening weekend at

redemption’ made its opening weekend at the box office what matters is that it’s

the box office what matters is that it’s

the box office what matters is that it’s it’s still good that it’s still relevant

it’s still good that it’s still relevant

it’s still good that it’s still relevant and that people are still talking about

and that people are still talking about

and that people are still talking about it right do you know how many copies of

it right do you know how many copies of

it right do you know how many copies of the Bible or Harry Potter or you know

the Bible or Harry Potter or you know

the Bible or Harry Potter or you know 4-hour workweek are sold on a consistent

4-hour workweek are sold on a consistent

4-hour workweek are sold on a consistent basis now there would be many many

basis now there would be many many

basis now there would be many many thousands of copies per week and often

thousands of copies per week and often

thousands of copies per week and often they would be at places that don’t don’t

they would be at places that don’t don’t

they would be at places that don’t don’t even the New York Times bestseller list

even the New York Times bestseller list

even the New York Times bestseller list it’s not as if there’s some central

it’s not as if there’s some central

it’s not as if there’s some central database that records all book sales

database that records all book sales

database that records all book sales right if some you can buy the Bible at a

right if some you can buy the Bible at a

right if some you can buy the Bible at a gas station right they don’t report to

gas station right they don’t report to

gas station right they don’t report to the New York Times bestseller list if

the New York Times bestseller list if

the New York Times bestseller list if you grab that Bible out of the the

you grab that Bible out of the the

you grab that Bible out of the the drawer of your hotel room and you take

drawer of your hotel room and you take

drawer of your hotel room and you take it home with them does that count as a

it home with them does that count as a

it home with them does that count as a sale right I’m an advisor to a start-up

sale right I’m an advisor to a start-up

sale right I’m an advisor to a start-up that’s called vinyl meet they’re the

that’s called vinyl meet they’re the

that’s called vinyl meet they’re the world’s largest vinyl record club

world’s largest vinyl record club

world’s largest vinyl record club they’ve about 30,000 customers who get

they’ve about 30,000 customers who get

they’ve about 30,000 customers who get one vinyl record every month right

one vinyl record every month right

one vinyl record every month right so whatever vinyl record that Club buys

so whatever vinyl record that Club buys

so whatever vinyl record that Club buys for that month

for that month

for that month is the number one best-selling album in

is the number one best-selling album in

is the number one best-selling album in the country that month but it doesn’t

the country that month but it doesn’t

the country that month but it doesn’t appear on the Billboard charts because

appear on the Billboard charts because

appear on the Billboard charts because the Billboard charts don’t recognize

the Billboard charts don’t recognize

the Billboard charts don’t recognize vinyl me as being a retailer of units so

vinyl me as being a retailer of units so

vinyl me as being a retailer of units so you know the number one album in the

you know the number one album in the

you know the number one album in the country

country

country for vinyl might might have reported

for vinyl might might have reported

for vinyl might might have reported sales of four or five thousand copies

sales of four or five thousand copies

sales of four or five thousand copies meanwhile you have this this up this

meanwhile you have this this up this

meanwhile you have this this up this jazz reissue from 1962 that vaio me

jazz reissue from 1962 that vaio me

jazz reissue from 1962 that vaio me chose that sold 30,000 units and it’s

chose that sold 30,000 units and it’s

chose that sold 30,000 units and it’s not reporting so so I again these things

not reporting so so I again these things

not reporting so so I again these things are very obviously when you put out a

are very obviously when you put out a

are very obviously when you put out a book you put out a book the first thing

book you put out a book the first thing

book you put out a book the first thing you do is go in my best seller am i

you do is go in my best seller am i

you do is go in my best seller am i hitting the like we do care about these

hitting the like we do care about these

hitting the like we do care about these things it’s very natural but it’s just

things it’s very natural but it’s just

things it’s very natural but it’s just important that you’re not prioritizing

important that you’re not prioritizing

important that you’re not prioritizing that over the things that really matter

that over the things that really matter

that over the things that really matter which is a year from now is this thing

which is a year from now is this thing

which is a year from now is this thing still working for people and are they

still working for people and are they

still working for people and are they still talking about it right I mean I

still talking about it right I mean I

still talking about it right I mean I love the idea I’m totally aligned with

love the idea I’m totally aligned with

love the idea I’m totally aligned with it it’s one of the main reasons why I

it it’s one of the main reasons why I

it it’s one of the main reasons why I make the content I make on youtube I

make the content I make on youtube I

make the content I make on youtube I don’t cover news topics I don’t go heavy

don’t cover news topics I don’t go heavy

don’t cover news topics I don’t go heavy on vlogs because it’s it’s a really like

on vlogs because it’s it’s a really like

on vlogs because it’s it’s a really like short spike yeah and then it falls off

short spike yeah and then it falls off

short spike yeah and then it falls off where I want the content I make the

where I want the content I make the

where I want the content I make the rules for success this video you know to

rules for success this video you know to

rules for success this video you know to last in ten years it’s still applicable

last in ten years it’s still applicable

last in ten years it’s still applicable like I want it’s why I was slow to get

like I want it’s why I was slow to get

like I want it’s why I was slow to get into snapchat and Instagram because I

into snapchat and Instagram because I

into snapchat and Instagram because I don’t like the expiring stories I want

don’t like the expiring stories I want

don’t like the expiring stories I want the work I’m making to really last and

the work I’m making to really last and

the work I’m making to really last and live forever and YouTube is a great

live forever and YouTube is a great

live forever and YouTube is a great content platform for that well no I

content platform for that well no I

content platform for that well no I think that’s a good way of thinking

think that’s a good way of thinking

think that’s a good way of thinking about it’s like look making a making a

about it’s like look making a making a

about it’s like look making a making a video is a certain amount of work either

video is a certain amount of work either

video is a certain amount of work either way right so if you’re making videos

way right so if you’re making videos

way right so if you’re making videos that are responding to a breaking news

that are responding to a breaking news

that are responding to a breaking news story that’s that’s a certain amount of

story that’s that’s a certain amount of

story that’s that’s a certain amount of work and then if you’re making a video

work and then if you’re making a video

work and then if you’re making a video about ten rules for success that’s a

about ten rules for success that’s a

about ten rules for success that’s a certain amount of work but what what

certain amount of work but what what

certain amount of work but what what work is likely to continue to pay

work is likely to continue to pay

work is likely to continue to pay dividends over time right if you’re

dividends over time right if you’re

dividends over time right if you’re reporting on this breaking news and then

reporting on this breaking news and then

reporting on this breaking news and then it turns out that the breaking news was

it turns out that the breaking news was

it turns out that the breaking news was incorrect no one is gonna watch that

incorrect no one is gonna watch that

incorrect no one is gonna watch that video anymore

video anymore

video anymore but people are still gonna care about

but people are still gonna care about

but people are still gonna care about the rules of success from Tim Ferriss or

the rules of success from Tim Ferriss or

the rules of success from Tim Ferriss or Bill Gates or Elon Musk because those

Bill Gates or Elon Musk because those

Bill Gates or Elon Musk because those are huge people who have whose success

are huge people who have whose success

are huge people who have whose success isn’t going anywhere anytime soon and so

isn’t going anywhere anytime soon and so

isn’t going anywhere anytime soon and so that

that

that like Jeff Bezos who’s the founder of

like Jeff Bezos who’s the founder of

like Jeff Bezos who’s the founder of Amazon is this great Roy says focus on

Amazon is this great Roy says focus on

Amazon is this great Roy says focus on the things that don’t change right like

the things that don’t change right like

the things that don’t change right like he’s like people always want cheap stuff

he’s like people always want cheap stuff

he’s like people always want cheap stuff and they always want it right away and

and they always want it right away and

and they always want it right away and so he’s like those are the core

so he’s like those are the core

so he’s like those are the core principles of Amazon not hey fidget

principles of Amazon not hey fidget

principles of Amazon not hey fidget spinners are really popular right now

spinners are really popular right now

spinners are really popular right now let’s sell more fidget spinners you know

let’s sell more fidget spinners you know

let’s sell more fidget spinners you know what I mean got guys we also have two

what I mean got guys we also have two

what I mean got guys we also have two top ten rules for Ryan holiday that you

top ten rules for Ryan holiday that you

top ten rules for Ryan holiday that you need to go check out the great videos

need to go check out the great videos

need to go check out the great videos that will last forever timeless wisdom

that will last forever timeless wisdom

that will last forever timeless wisdom so the book is dividing you got a seam

so the book is dividing you got a seam

so the book is dividing you got a seam in your title like making the work and

in your title like making the work and

in your title like making the work and then mark it into work so let’s let’s

then mark it into work so let’s let’s

then mark it into work so let’s let’s divide that up one so I want to make

divide that up one so I want to make

divide that up one so I want to make something I want to make a video when I

something I want to make a video when I

something I want to make a video when I make a book I want to make a record what

make a book I want to make a record what

make a book I want to make a record what are some of the things I need to keep in

are some of the things I need to keep in

are some of the things I need to keep in mind to make something that will last so

mind to make something that will last so

mind to make something that will last so I see it as like two consecutive

I see it as like two consecutive

I see it as like two consecutive marathons right making it as marathon

marathons right making it as marathon

marathons right making it as marathon number one in marketing it is marathon

number one in marketing it is marathon

number one in marketing it is marathon number two you’ve got it and you’ve got

number two you’ve got it and you’ve got

number two you’ve got it and you’ve got to finish both and you’ve got to have

to finish both and you’ve got to have

to finish both and you’ve got to have enough energy to finish both so the

enough energy to finish both so the

enough energy to finish both so the first thing is like look if you want to

first thing is like look if you want to

first thing is like look if you want to make something that lasts you have to

make something that lasts you have to

make something that lasts you have to you have to put in the work and you have

you have to put in the work and you have

you have to put in the work and you have to put in the ideas that are likely to

to put in the ideas that are likely to

to put in the ideas that are likely to make it work right one of the examples I

make it work right one of the examples I

make it work right one of the examples I have in perennial seller it’s a book you

have in perennial seller it’s a book you

have in perennial seller it’s a book you know there’s a there’s a great authors

know there’s a there’s a great authors

know there’s a there’s a great authors named Guy Kawasaki he wrote a book

named Guy Kawasaki he wrote a book

named Guy Kawasaki he wrote a book called enchantment and enchantment was

called enchantment and enchantment was

called enchantment and enchantment was about sort of creating these dazzling

about sort of creating these dazzling

about sort of creating these dazzling you know love affairs with your

you know love affairs with your

you know love affairs with your customers and that’s a great book it’s

customers and that’s a great book it’s

customers and that’s a great book it’s sold for many many years and then a few

sold for many many years and then a few

sold for many many years and then a few years ago you did a book called what the

years ago you did a book called what the

years ago you did a book called what the Plus Google+ for the rest of us right

Plus Google+ for the rest of us right

Plus Google+ for the rest of us right and it was like a guide to Google+ well

and it was like a guide to Google+ well

and it was like a guide to Google+ well one obviously took a lot more time than

one obviously took a lot more time than

one obviously took a lot more time than the other and and and the and one was a

the other and and and the and one was a

the other and and and the and one was a lot more timely than the other and so

lot more timely than the other and so

lot more timely than the other and so which one is likely to continue to be

which one is likely to continue to be

which one is likely to continue to be selling a year from now or 10 years from

selling a year from now or 10 years from

selling a year from now or 10 years from now enchantment has captured something

now enchantment has captured something

now enchantment has captured something timeless a book about Google+ certainly

timeless a book about Google+ certainly

timeless a book about Google+ certainly hasn’t and so I think oftentimes people

hasn’t and so I think oftentimes people

hasn’t and so I think oftentimes people are going oh crypto currencies are

are going oh crypto currencies are

are going oh crypto currencies are really popular right now I want to make

really popular right now I want to make

really popular right now I want to make something about that or everyone’s upset

something about that or everyone’s upset

something about that or everyone’s upset about Donald Trump I want to talk about

about Donald Trump I want to talk about

about Donald Trump I want to talk about that right and so they’re always

that right and so they’re always

that right and so they’re always thinking about what’s happening right

thinking about what’s happening right

thinking about what’s happening right now

now

now and they’re not asking themselves is

and they’re not asking themselves is

and they’re not asking themselves is this underlying factor still going to be

this underlying factor still going to be

this underlying factor still going to be true in the future right and then I

true in the future right and then I

true in the future right and then I think you have to go did I actually put

think you have to go did I actually put

think you have to go did I actually put in the work

in the work

in the work did I make something that I asked myself

did I make something that I asked myself

did I make something that I asked myself the tough questions that I put in the

the tough questions that I put in the

the tough questions that I put in the you know Elon Musk is compared I think

you know Elon Musk is compared I think

you know Elon Musk is compared I think he said starting a company is like

he said starting a company is like

he said starting a company is like eating glass and staring into the abyss

eating glass and staring into the abyss

eating glass and staring into the abyss okay it’s really hard right and so if

okay it’s really hard right and so if

okay it’s really hard right and so if you did this you know on an all-nighter

you did this you know on an all-nighter

you did this you know on an all-nighter if you if you if you rushed through it

if you if you if you rushed through it

if you if you if you rushed through it because you thought it was gonna be easy

because you thought it was gonna be easy

because you thought it was gonna be easy or fast I I’m almost certain that what

or fast I I’m almost certain that what

or fast I I’m almost certain that what you’ve made isn’t going to have the

you’ve made isn’t going to have the

you’ve made isn’t going to have the substance and the quality there’s not

substance and the quality there’s not

substance and the quality there’s not going to be the there there that you

going to be the there there that you

going to be the there there that you need to really endure like what’s so

need to really endure like what’s so

need to really endure like what’s so great about star wars for instance is

great about star wars for instance is

great about star wars for instance is not that it’s this just that it’s a

not that it’s this just that it’s a

not that it’s this just that it’s a futuristic movie filled with special

futuristic movie filled with special

futuristic movie filled with special effects right it’s that it’s the hero’s

effects right it’s that it’s the hero’s

effects right it’s that it’s the hero’s journey it’s the timeless story of Luke

journey it’s the timeless story of Luke

journey it’s the timeless story of Luke Skywalker Luke Skywalker story is the

Skywalker Luke Skywalker story is the

Skywalker Luke Skywalker story is the same story as the story of Jesus Christ

same story as the story of Jesus Christ

same story as the story of Jesus Christ or the story of Odysseus or the story of

or the story of Odysseus or the story of

or the story of Odysseus or the story of Gilgamesh right it’s an epic journey of

Gilgamesh right it’s an epic journey of

Gilgamesh right it’s an epic journey of one character who we follow and it is

one character who we follow and it is

one character who we follow and it is tested and and all these things right so

tested and and all these things right so

tested and and all these things right so when we’re making whatever we’re making

when we’re making whatever we’re making

when we’re making whatever we’re making whether it’s a startup or whether it’s a

whether it’s a startup or whether it’s a

whether it’s a startup or whether it’s a it’s a book or a video did we put in the

it’s a book or a video did we put in the

it’s a book or a video did we put in the ingredients that are necessary for this

ingredients that are necessary for this

ingredients that are necessary for this thing to endure and and that’s that’s

thing to endure and and that’s that’s

thing to endure and and that’s that’s much harder to do than people think

much harder to do than people think

much harder to do than people think marketing is fun and sexy often but the

marketing is fun and sexy often but the

marketing is fun and sexy often but the work is where the heavy lifting is done

work is where the heavy lifting is done

work is where the heavy lifting is done you don’t like to think of it as like a

you don’t like to think of it as like a

you don’t like to think of it as like a Mike reading work that I want to show my

Mike reading work that I want to show my

Mike reading work that I want to show my grandkids yes is this proud of anyone

grandkids yes is this proud of anyone

grandkids yes is this proud of anyone away yeah aim is timeless yes no no

away yeah aim is timeless yes no no

away yeah aim is timeless yes no no that’s it that’s a great way to think

that’s it that’s a great way to think

that’s it that’s a great way to think about it I mean here’s a it and it

about it I mean here’s a it and it

about it I mean here’s a it and it applies to every part of the creative

applies to every part of the creative

applies to every part of the creative process right so I don’t know if you’ve

process right so I don’t know if you’ve

process right so I don’t know if you’ve heard of this company wealth front right

heard of this company wealth front right

heard of this company wealth front right it’s a it’s a big it’s a big wealth

it’s a it’s a big it’s a big wealth

it’s a it’s a big it’s a big wealth management startup you put some of your

management startup you put some of your

management startup you put some of your retirement money in there and then it

retirement money in there and then it

retirement money in there and then it has this algorithm that invests it in in

has this algorithm that invests it in in

has this algorithm that invests it in in in different index funds so it it’s a

in different index funds so it it’s a

in different index funds so it it’s a great company I use it myself

great company I use it myself

great company I use it myself their original name was could shingle

their original name was could shingle

their original name was could shingle write like would you put your retirement

write like would you put your retirement

write like would you put your retirement money in a company called cachinga like

money in a company called cachinga like

money in a company called cachinga like of course not right and so even the name

of course not right and so even the name

of course not right and so even the name and the title on a book the cover the

and the title on a book the cover the

and the title on a book the cover the logo like you’re wearing that you’re

logo like you’re wearing that you’re

logo like you’re wearing that you’re you’ve got the logo on your sweatshirt

you’ve got the logo on your sweatshirt

you’ve got the logo on your sweatshirt right there these all all the branding

right there these all all the branding

right there these all all the branding in the feet and every

in the feet and every

in the feet and every in your building around the product has

in your building around the product has

in your building around the product has to be to the highest quality and you

to be to the highest quality and you

to be to the highest quality and you can’t settle and if you have partners

can’t settle and if you have partners

can’t settle and if you have partners whether it’s a publisher or a business

whether it’s a publisher or a business

whether it’s a publisher or a business partner and investor you can’t let them

partner and investor you can’t let them

partner and investor you can’t let them rush you and get you to compromises you

rush you and get you to compromises you

rush you and get you to compromises you have to fulfill that creative vision

have to fulfill that creative vision

have to fulfill that creative vision that that it’s gonna stand the test of

that that it’s gonna stand the test of

that that it’s gonna stand the test of time so so it kind of transitions into

time so so it kind of transitions into

time so so it kind of transitions into the marketing side so we’ve created this

the marketing side so we’ve created this

the marketing side so we’ve created this great product that we’re proud of we

great product that we’re proud of we

great product that we’re proud of we want to show our grandkids you know I

want to show our grandkids you know I

want to show our grandkids you know I want my grandkids to watch this

want my grandkids to watch this

want my grandkids to watch this interview with Ryan holiday how am I

interview with Ryan holiday how am I

interview with Ryan holiday how am I going to market it for the next 60 years

going to market it for the next 60 years

going to market it for the next 60 years you know so that happens well so I think

you know so that happens well so I think

you know so that happens well so I think people sort of fall into two camps on

people sort of fall into two camps on

people sort of fall into two camps on the one hand there’s like the the

the one hand there’s like the the

the one hand there’s like the the natural marketers who want to like rush

natural marketers who want to like rush

natural marketers who want to like rush through the creative phase to get to the

through the creative phase to get to the

through the creative phase to get to the sales part because that’s what they’re

sales part because that’s what they’re

sales part because that’s what they’re really good at and then you have other

really good at and then you have other

really good at and then you have other people who love the creative process and

people who love the creative process and

people who love the creative process and then they think marketing is somehow

then they think marketing is somehow

then they think marketing is somehow like scammy

like scammy

like scammy or it’s beneath them you know and both

or it’s beneath them you know and both

or it’s beneath them you know and both attitudes are really problematic so I

attitudes are really problematic so I

attitudes are really problematic so I think what I want to tell the people who

think what I want to tell the people who

think what I want to tell the people who love the creative side of things is look

love the creative side of things is look

love the creative side of things is look the world is not a meritocracy there are

the world is not a meritocracy there are

the world is not a meritocracy there are there are plenty of brilliant genius

there are plenty of brilliant genius

there are plenty of brilliant genius works of art that have been completely

works of art that have been completely

works of art that have been completely forgotten or that we’re never even seen

forgotten or that we’re never even seen

forgotten or that we’re never even seen right so if you know if you build it

right so if you know if you build it

right so if you know if you build it they will not come you have to make them

they will not come you have to make them

they will not come you have to make them come you know you have to give to bring

come you know you have to give to bring

come you know you have to give to bring them to the work and so I want people to

them to the work and so I want people to

them to the work and so I want people to be willing to treat the marketing side

be willing to treat the marketing side

be willing to treat the marketing side of things with the same amount of energy

of things with the same amount of energy

of things with the same amount of energy and creativity that they that they

and creativity that they that they

and creativity that they that they treated the the writing or the editing

treated the the writing or the editing

treated the the writing or the editing or the the building and the programming

or the the building and the programming

or the the building and the programming and so from from a marketing standpoint

and so from from a marketing standpoint

and so from from a marketing standpoint what I’m thinking is okay

what I’m thinking is okay

what I’m thinking is okay the end of the day people read things or

the end of the day people read things or

the end of the day people read things or watch things because other people told

watch things because other people told

watch things because other people told them it was good so let me make sure

them it was good so let me make sure

them it was good so let me make sure that my marketing is getting this work

that my marketing is getting this work

that my marketing is getting this work in the hands of those early adopters so

in the hands of those early adopters so

in the hands of those early adopters so they’re passing it to the people that I

they’re passing it to the people that I

they’re passing it to the people that I I need to see it does that make sense

I need to see it does that make sense

I need to see it does that make sense yeah so so like tactical so yeah I took

yeah so so like tactical so yeah I took

yeah so so like tactical so yeah I took my book as an example right it’s coming

my book as an example right it’s coming

my book as an example right it’s coming out December 6 not to Russo success

out December 6 not to Russo success

out December 6 not to Russo success guys he’s he’s at the top two books of

guys he’s he’s at the top two books of

guys he’s he’s at the top two books of 2017 right there so so okay so like how

2017 right there so so okay so like how

2017 right there so so okay so like how do I

do I

do I that’s what advices Ryan holiday hats

that’s what advices Ryan holiday hats

that’s what advices Ryan holiday hats and that book well so number one thing

and that book well so number one thing

and that book well so number one thing you’re already in a position to succeed

you’re already in a position to succeed

you’re already in a position to succeed because you’ve built a huge platform

because you’ve built a huge platform

because you’ve built a huge platform right how many people want a platform

right how many people want a platform

right how many people want a platform but they haven’t put in the time or the

but they haven’t put in the time or the

but they haven’t put in the time or the years to build one so when they go to

years to build one so when they go to

years to build one so when they go to launch something they actually have

launch something they actually have

launch something they actually have those group of hardcore fans who are

those group of hardcore fans who are

those group of hardcore fans who are interested right so my first like the

interested right so my first like the

interested right so my first like the first 50% of my marketing for you would

first 50% of my marketing for you would

first 50% of my marketing for you would be like how do we take advantage of this

be like how do we take advantage of this

be like how do we take advantage of this platform and I don’t mean that in a bad

platform and I don’t mean that in a bad

platform and I don’t mean that in a bad way I mean how do we get the people who

way I mean how do we get the people who

way I mean how do we get the people who have already said I’m a big Evan

have already said I’m a big Evan

have already said I’m a big Evan Carmichael fan how do we get the people

Carmichael fan how do we get the people

Carmichael fan how do we get the people who watched your videos millions of

who watched your videos millions of

who watched your videos millions of times to check out this book right so

times to check out this book right so

times to check out this book right so probably what I’m gonna be thinking

probably what I’m gonna be thinking

probably what I’m gonna be thinking about is like how do I make this accept

about is like how do I make this accept

about is like how do I make this accept how do I make this cheap and accessible

how do I make this cheap and accessible

how do I make this cheap and accessible how do i how do i market to them over

how do i how do i market to them over

how do i how do i market to them over email how do i create compelling offers

email how do i create compelling offers

email how do i create compelling offers of bonus material to get like your the

of bonus material to get like your the

of bonus material to get like your the people who subscribe to your YouTube

people who subscribe to your YouTube

people who subscribe to your YouTube channel they’re the people who are most

channel they’re the people who are most

channel they’re the people who are most likely going to be the first readers of

likely going to be the first readers of

likely going to be the first readers of this book and then they’re gonna

this book and then they’re gonna

this book and then they’re gonna recommend it to other people right so

recommend it to other people right so

recommend it to other people right so that’s gonna be a huge percentage of my

that’s gonna be a huge percentage of my

that’s gonna be a huge percentage of my time and then the second part of the

time and then the second part of the

time and then the second part of the things is like okay what podcasts can I

things is like okay what podcasts can I

things is like okay what podcasts can I go on what articles can I write what

go on what articles can I write what

go on what articles can I write what extra videos can I make how can I take

extra videos can I make how can I take

extra videos can I make how can I take the content that’s in this book that’s

the content that’s in this book that’s

the content that’s in this book that’s clearly proven to work and get it in

clearly proven to work and get it in

clearly proven to work and get it in front of people like one of the

front of people like one of the

front of people like one of the interesting things on books is like it’s

interesting things on books is like it’s

interesting things on books is like it’s almost crazy that anyone buys books

almost crazy that anyone buys books

almost crazy that anyone buys books right like you’re like hey here’s this

right like you’re like hey here’s this

right like you’re like hey here’s this book it costs $20 you don’t know what’s

book it costs $20 you don’t know what’s

book it costs $20 you don’t know what’s in it until after you’ve already bought

in it until after you’ve already bought

in it until after you’ve already bought it and it will take you a week of your

it and it will take you a week of your

it and it will take you a week of your life to decide whether you like it or

life to decide whether you like it or

life to decide whether you like it or not right who’s like who does that

not right who’s like who does that

not right who’s like who does that that’s crazy so so often times I try to

that’s crazy so so often times I try to

that’s crazy so so often times I try to be as generous as I would say that of my

be as generous as I would say that of my

be as generous as I would say that of my books even perennial seller huge chunks

books even perennial seller huge chunks

books even perennial seller huge chunks of it are available online even in this

of it are available online even in this

of it are available online even in this interview I’m walking people through

interview I’m walking people through

interview I’m walking people through step by step almost everything that’s in

step by step almost everything that’s in

step by step almost everything that’s in the book because they look it’s only

the book because they look it’s only

the book because they look it’s only once you’ve you go oh hey I agree with

once you’ve you go oh hey I agree with

once you’ve you go oh hey I agree with that or oh hey I think there’s gonna be

that or oh hey I think there’s gonna be

that or oh hey I think there’s gonna be value in that that you decide to give

value in that that you decide to give

value in that that you decide to give someone your hard-earned money got it

someone your hard-earned money got it

someone your hard-earned money got it now bringing this to the YouTube world I

now bringing this to the YouTube world I

now bringing this to the YouTube world I get the YouTube world a lot better than

get the YouTube world a lot better than

get the YouTube world a lot better than the book world that yeah I know you were

the book world that yeah I know you were

the book world that yeah I know you were a master of uh I’ve

a master of uh I’ve

a master of uh I’ve I’ve always focused on the content here

I’ve always focused on the content here

I’ve always focused on the content here and YouTube becomes its own distribution

and YouTube becomes its own distribution

and YouTube becomes its own distribution channel for you and I’ve done

channel for you and I’ve done

channel for you and I’ve done collaborations with channels that are

collaborations with channels that are

collaborations with channels that are way bigger than mine and we’ll get a

way bigger than mine and we’ll get a

way bigger than mine and we’ll get a spike like right now we’re getting you

spike like right now we’re getting you

spike like right now we’re getting you know upwards of 2,000 subscribers every

know upwards of 2,000 subscribers every

know upwards of 2,000 subscribers every day about to sign up for the channel

day about to sign up for the channel

day about to sign up for the channel sure if I do a club with somebody who’s

sure if I do a club with somebody who’s

sure if I do a club with somebody who’s bigger than me I might get a quick spike

bigger than me I might get a quick spike

bigger than me I might get a quick spike to like four thousand for that day and

to like four thousand for that day and

to like four thousand for that day and then it and then it quickly drops back

then it and then it quickly drops back

then it and then it quickly drops back down sure you know 50 cent has tweeted

down sure you know 50 cent has tweeted

down sure you know 50 cent has tweeted me out and Floyd Mayweather’s shared on

me out and Floyd Mayweather’s shared on

me out and Floyd Mayweather’s shared on Facebook and a bunch of people that

Facebook and a bunch of people that

Facebook and a bunch of people that we’ve covered have then shared it to

we’ve covered have then shared it to

we’ve covered have then shared it to their audience and again like quick hit

their audience and again like quick hit

their audience and again like quick hit spike and then back down to what I

spike and then back down to what I

spike and then back down to what I default to and tell me my thinking is

default to and tell me my thinking is

default to and tell me my thinking is wrong okay what IV fault – is it takes

wrong okay what IV fault – is it takes

wrong okay what IV fault – is it takes so much time and work to get the

so much time and work to get the

so much time and work to get the attention of those people if I was

attention of those people if I was

attention of those people if I was trying to do it like outwardly like hey

trying to do it like outwardly like hey

trying to do it like outwardly like hey can you please you know listen to me

can you please you know listen to me

can you please you know listen to me ears write work together versus if I

ears write work together versus if I

ears write work together versus if I just keep creating great content I’m

just keep creating great content I’m

just keep creating great content I’m gonna keep getting two thousand three

gonna keep getting two thousand three

gonna keep getting two thousand three thousand like just keep getting that

thousand like just keep getting that

thousand like just keep getting that daily subscriber growth so I ID fault to

daily subscriber growth so I ID fault to

daily subscriber growth so I ID fault to just make better content and the YouTube

just make better content and the YouTube

just make better content and the YouTube platform and community like it takes

platform and community like it takes

platform and community like it takes care of itself

care of itself

care of itself yes it’s not wrong no I don’t think it’s

yes it’s not wrong no I don’t think it’s

yes it’s not wrong no I don’t think it’s wrong as a writer I think that often the

wrong as a writer I think that often the

wrong as a writer I think that often the best way I can get attention for my

best way I can get attention for my

best way I can get attention for my books is to write really good articles

books is to write really good articles

books is to write really good articles write articles that are because what’s

write articles that are because what’s

write articles that are because what’s different online is that the content and

different online is that the content and

different online is that the content and marketing are fused together because

marketing are fused together because

marketing are fused together because it’s so easy to share right like if I

it’s so easy to share right like if I

it’s so easy to share right like if I was if you if your YouTube videos were

was if you if your YouTube videos were

was if you if your YouTube videos were were for sale I don’t think just making

were for sale I don’t think just making

were for sale I don’t think just making more videos would be marketing right

more videos would be marketing right

more videos would be marketing right right but the fact that the videos are

right but the fact that the videos are

right but the fact that the videos are so easy to share on social media you can

so easy to share on social media you can

so easy to share on social media you can embed them you know search engine you

embed them you know search engine you

embed them you know search engine you know search engine is gonna drive

know search engine is gonna drive

know search engine is gonna drive traffic etc it’s it’s different right

traffic etc it’s it’s different right

traffic etc it’s it’s different right but I think when you’re selling

but I think when you’re selling

but I think when you’re selling something then you’ve got to be more

something then you’ve got to be more

something then you’ve got to be more active in the marketing because there’s

active in the marketing because there’s

active in the marketing because there’s you’re asking people to do something

you’re asking people to do something

you’re asking people to do something that’s more difficult so in your case

that’s more difficult so in your case

that’s more difficult so in your case what you’re doing is you’re constantly

what you’re doing is you’re constantly

what you’re doing is you’re constantly building up and building up the platform

building up and building up the platform

building up and building up the platform which you monetize occasionally with a

which you monetize occasionally with a

which you monetize occasionally with a product or you know with ads but but

product or you know with ads but but

product or you know with ads but but your product online is your marketing so

your product online is your marketing so

your product online is your marketing so I think that makes total sense John it’s

I think that makes total sense John it’s

I think that makes total sense John it’s okay

okay

okay well it’s I’ve that’s what I’ve been

well it’s I’ve that’s what I’ve been

well it’s I’ve that’s what I’ve been preaching in so what has been working

preaching in so what has been working

preaching in so what has been working okay it’s not just doing it once but

okay it’s not just doing it once but

okay it’s not just doing it once but it’s doing it all the time like you’ve

it’s doing it all the time like you’ve

it’s doing it all the time like you’ve built a machine so you’re you’re you’re

built a machine so you’re you’re you’re

built a machine so you’re you’re you’re always growing maybe if you were if

always growing maybe if you were if

always growing maybe if you were if you’d started your channel yesterday

you’d started your channel yesterday

you’d started your channel yesterday more collaborations would be a way to

more collaborations would be a way to

more collaborations would be a way to build your base right so so let’s go

build your base right so so let’s go

build your base right so so let’s go down the funnel so you know I’ve gone a

down the funnel so you know I’ve gone a

down the funnel so you know I’ve gone a buckets around success entrepreneurship

buckets around success entrepreneurship

buckets around success entrepreneurship I have a platform in for other authors

I have a platform in for other authors

I have a platform in for other authors they’re gonna have their platform may

they’re gonna have their platform may

they’re gonna have their platform may not be as big but they have their own

not be as big but they have their own

not be as big but they have their own whatever Twitter following YouTube great

whatever Twitter following YouTube great

whatever Twitter following YouTube great we’re gonna market to them that other

we’re gonna market to them that other

we’re gonna market to them that other 50% podcast interviews what do you

50% podcast interviews what do you

50% podcast interviews what do you recommend in terms of the strategy and

recommend in terms of the strategy and

recommend in terms of the strategy and the outreach to say okay here’s a book

the outreach to say okay here’s a book

the outreach to say okay here’s a book about entrepreneurship yeah Who am I

about entrepreneurship yeah Who am I

about entrepreneurship yeah Who am I gonna reach out to what does high pitch

gonna reach out to what does high pitch

gonna reach out to what does high pitch gonna be how do I make it so that I

gonna be how do I make it so that I

gonna be how do I make it so that I maximize the effort that’s coming out

maximize the effort that’s coming out

maximize the effort that’s coming out well so I I get a question a lot from

well so I I get a question a lot from

well so I I get a question a lot from creators where they go like look I’m

creators where they go like look I’m

creators where they go like look I’m starting a blog about fitness or I’m

starting a blog about fitness or I’m

starting a blog about fitness or I’m starting a blog about entrepreneurship

starting a blog about entrepreneurship

starting a blog about entrepreneurship or whatever it is they go like what

or whatever it is they go like what

or whatever it is they go like what influencers should I reach out to and

influencers should I reach out to and

influencers should I reach out to and and my answer is always if you don’t

and my answer is always if you don’t

and my answer is always if you don’t know then you haven’t done your research

know then you haven’t done your research

know then you haven’t done your research to jut to even justify making this web

to jut to even justify making this web

to jut to even justify making this web you know what I mean like you I imagine

you know what I mean like you I imagine

you know what I mean like you I imagine you know all the influencers in your

you know all the influencers in your

you know all the influencers in your space that you want to reach out to

space that you want to reach out to

space that you want to reach out to because you live and breathe this stuff

because you live and breathe this stuff

because you live and breathe this stuff right and so it can’t like if you don’t

right and so it can’t like if you don’t

right and so it can’t like if you don’t know your own space well enough to know

know your own space well enough to know

know your own space well enough to know who the right influencers are I would

who the right influencers are I would

who the right influencers are I would say you’re you’re making a huge mistake

say you’re you’re making a huge mistake

say you’re you’re making a huge mistake so I really want people to know like who

so I really want people to know like who

so I really want people to know like who are the movers and shakers and have you

are the movers and shakers and have you

are the movers and shakers and have you studied the the space that you’re in to

studied the the space that you’re in to

studied the the space that you’re in to really see who who makes a difference

really see who who makes a difference

really see who who makes a difference right like it’s like if you’re a

right like it’s like if you’re a

right like it’s like if you’re a comedian and you didn’t know that The

comedian and you didn’t know that The

comedian and you didn’t know that The Tonight Show is where you go to break

Tonight Show is where you go to break

Tonight Show is where you go to break out as a comedian it’s like dude what

out as a comedian it’s like dude what

out as a comedian it’s like dude what are you doing and so so you have to live

are you doing and so so you have to live

are you doing and so so you have to live and breathe your space to the point

and breathe your space to the point

and breathe your space to the point where you know who all those influencers

where you know who all those influencers

where you know who all those influencers are and you shouldn’t just be

are and you shouldn’t just be

are and you shouldn’t just be cultivating relationships with them

cultivating relationships with them

cultivating relationships with them because they can help you sell your

because they can help you sell your

because they can help you sell your stuff you should know those people in

stuff you should know those people in

stuff you should know those people in your space because they’re your peer

your space because they’re your peer

your space because they’re your peer group right James alternators talked

group right James alternators talked

group right James alternators talked about the importance of having a scene

about the importance of having a scene

about the importance of having a scene right like who are who are the people

right like who are who are the people

right like who are who are the people that are doing really similar work as

that are doing really similar work as

that are doing really similar work as you and how are you pushing each other

you and how are you pushing each other

you and how are you pushing each other how are you making each other better how

how are you making each other better how

how are you making each other better how are you helping each other it can it can

are you helping each other it can it can

are you helping each other it can it can go that way and I would say the

go that way and I would say the

go that way and I would say the thing I would think about is like don’t

thing I would think about is like don’t

thing I would think about is like don’t just think about it as like what can

just think about it as like what can

just think about it as like what can these people do for me one of the best

these people do for me one of the best

these people do for me one of the best ways to develop relationships and to

ways to develop relationships and to

ways to develop relationships and to grow your work and to get fans is to is

grow your work and to get fans is to is

grow your work and to get fans is to is to be a supporter of other people right

to be a supporter of other people right

to be a supporter of other people right I built my platform as an author an

I built my platform as an author an

I built my platform as an author an email list that’s now about 85,000

email list that’s now about 85,000

email list that’s now about 85,000 people by recommending other authors

people by recommending other authors

people by recommending other authors right I started a reading list where I

right I started a reading list where I

right I started a reading list where I recommend books it’s just if you go to

recommend books it’s just if you go to

recommend books it’s just if you go to my websites Bryan Holaday dotnet slash

my websites Bryan Holaday dotnet slash

my websites Bryan Holaday dotnet slash reading list and it’s it’s just

reading list and it’s it’s just

reading list and it’s it’s just recommendations of books that I really

recommendations of books that I really

recommendations of books that I really like and so I’ve met hundreds if not

like and so I’ve met hundreds if not

like and so I’ve met hundreds if not thousands of authors over the last 10

thousands of authors over the last 10

thousands of authors over the last 10 years that I’ve done this as well as

years that I’ve done this as well as

years that I’ve done this as well as contacts and publishers agents editors

contacts and publishers agents editors

contacts and publishers agents editors etc because I’ve been a champion of

etc because I’ve been a champion of

etc because I’ve been a champion of other people’s work and I think your

other people’s work and I think your

other people’s work and I think your channel is a testament to that too

channel is a testament to that too

channel is a testament to that too very few of the videos are about you

very few of the videos are about you

very few of the videos are about you they’re all about other people and how

they’re all about other people and how

they’re all about other people and how your you translated their work and

your you translated their work and

your you translated their work and brought it to a larger audience yeah I

brought it to a larger audience yeah I

brought it to a larger audience yeah I think about in my youtube experience the

think about in my youtube experience the

think about in my youtube experience the first two collaborations I did with kind

first two collaborations I did with kind

first two collaborations I did with kind of bigger channels and me at the time

of bigger channels and me at the time

of bigger channels and me at the time were Tim Schmoyer and Derral Eve’s and

were Tim Schmoyer and Derral Eve’s and

were Tim Schmoyer and Derral Eve’s and they both have like how to YouTube kinds

they both have like how to YouTube kinds

they both have like how to YouTube kinds of channels and I was already a fan of

of channels and I was already a fan of

of channels and I was already a fan of their channel and I already subscribed

their channel and I already subscribed

their channel and I already subscribed and I knew their content I think if you

and I knew their content I think if you

and I knew their content I think if you are a fan already and you know you know

are a fan already and you know you know

are a fan already and you know you know you’re already aligned like you like

you’re already aligned like you like

you’re already aligned like you like them because you like their message and

them because you like their message and

them because you like their message and they’re more likely to want to do some

they’re more likely to want to do some

they’re more likely to want to do some kind of work with you yeah I mean so I

kind of work with you yeah I mean so I

kind of work with you yeah I mean so I get an email probably once a day and

get an email probably once a day and

get an email probably once a day and it’s like dear sir I’m so-and-so I would

it’s like dear sir I’m so-and-so I would

it’s like dear sir I’m so-and-so I would like to suggest a guest post on your

like to suggest a guest post on your

like to suggest a guest post on your website I’m ready man it’s like I’ve

website I’m ready man it’s like I’ve

website I’m ready man it’s like I’ve never done a guest post on my website

never done a guest post on my website

never done a guest post on my website ever so I know by nature of sending me

ever so I know by nature of sending me

ever so I know by nature of sending me this email that you’re not a fan right

this email that you’re not a fan right

this email that you’re not a fan right know what I mean and so so it’s like if

know what I mean and so so it’s like if

know what I mean and so so it’s like if you don’t know their people’s work it’s

you don’t know their people’s work it’s

you don’t know their people’s work it’s really hard for you to fake that and

really hard for you to fake that and

really hard for you to fake that and they can see through it immediately and

they can see through it immediately and

they can see through it immediately and so like don’t look for these hacks and

so like don’t look for these hacks and

so like don’t look for these hacks and tricks like do the work you know what I

tricks like do the work you know what I

tricks like do the work you know what I mean actually live and breathe what

mean actually live and breathe what

mean actually live and breathe what you’re doing that’s the way to break

you’re doing that’s the way to break

you’re doing that’s the way to break through yeah and I think it’s finding

through yeah and I think it’s finding

through yeah and I think it’s finding the angle that you can bring a

the angle that you can bring a

the angle that you can bring a perspective to their audience you know

perspective to their audience you know

perspective to their audience you know yes for me with Tim and Darrell they

yes for me with Tim and Darrell they

yes for me with Tim and Darrell they both knew YouTube way better than I did

both knew YouTube way better than I did

both knew YouTube way better than I did at the time but I said hey I have a

at the time but I said hey I have a

at the time but I said hey I have a venture capital background I have an

venture capital background I have an

venture capital background I have an entrepreneurship

entrepreneurship

entrepreneurship background can I bring some of that to

background can I bring some of that to

background can I bring some of that to help your audience yeah that’s a cool

help your audience yeah that’s a cool

help your audience yeah that’s a cool idea

idea

idea so you’re contributing and I knew that

so you’re contributing and I knew that

so you’re contributing and I knew that because I’m a fan of their right content

because I’m a fan of their right content

because I’m a fan of their right content as well right right right right yeah if

as well right right right right yeah if

as well right right right right yeah if you can send a template you’re doing it

you can send a template you’re doing it

you can send a template you’re doing it wrong do you know what I mean like it’s

wrong do you know what I mean like it’s

wrong do you know what I mean like it’s like I say my relationship with

like I say my relationship with

like I say my relationship with influencers should be like if I’m asking

influencers should be like if I’m asking

influencers should be like if I’m asking them to promote something of mine it

them to promote something of mine it

them to promote something of mine it should be like we’re as familiar as like

should be like we’re as familiar as like

should be like we’re as familiar as like me asking them to like water my plants

me asking them to like water my plants

me asking them to like water my plants while I’m out of town like that’s the

while I’m out of town like that’s the

while I’m out of town like that’s the kind of relationship that I want to have

kind of relationship that I want to have

kind of relationship that I want to have where I’ve done things for them and then

where I’ve done things for them and then

where I’ve done things for them and then so if I’m asking something of them they

so if I’m asking something of them they

so if I’m asking something of them they don’t they don’t feel like that’s an

don’t they don’t feel like that’s an

don’t they don’t feel like that’s an imposition they feel like this is what

imposition they feel like this is what

imposition they feel like this is what we do for each other right how do you

we do for each other right how do you

we do for each other right how do you how do you maintain the relationships

how do you maintain the relationships

how do you maintain the relationships with all the people that you kind of

with all the people that you kind of

with all the people that you kind of want to stay in touch with cuz I think

want to stay in touch with cuz I think

want to stay in touch with cuz I think about we work together like way back

about we work together like way back

about we work together like way back when you were part of American Apparel

when you were part of American Apparel

when you were part of American Apparel and a small project together and then

and a small project together and then

and a small project together and then and then you know we lost touch yeah

and then you know we lost touch yeah

and then you know we lost touch yeah great at staying in touch and you shot

great at staying in touch and you shot

great at staying in touch and you shot me an email say hey Evan I forget what

me an email say hey Evan I forget what

me an email say hey Evan I forget what you’re working on like hey favorite in

you’re working on like hey favorite in

you’re working on like hey favorite in town I love to meet and then we

town I love to meet and then we

town I love to meet and then we connected in New York and yeah reconnect

connected in New York and yeah reconnect

connected in New York and yeah reconnect it but it’s like years later like so I

it but it’s like years later like so I

it but it’s like years later like so I imagine you multiply that over how many

imagine you multiply that over how many

imagine you multiply that over how many people who have influenced like how do

people who have influenced like how do

people who have influenced like how do you how do you maintain those

you how do you maintain those

you how do you maintain those relationships I’m not as good at as good

relationships I’m not as good at as good

relationships I’m not as good at as good at it as some people or as I could be

at it as some people or as I could be

at it as some people or as I could be certainly like like when I saw when we

certainly like like when I saw when we

certainly like like when I saw when we reconnected it was literally like I was

reconnected it was literally like I was

reconnected it was literally like I was just watching videos on YouTube and I

just watching videos on YouTube and I

just watching videos on YouTube and I was like I remember this dude we talked

was like I remember this dude we talked

was like I remember this dude we talked like eight years ago and and but but I

like eight years ago and and but but I

like eight years ago and and but but I think the difference is as soon as I as

think the difference is as soon as I as

think the difference is as soon as I as soon as I had that reaction I didn’t go

soon as I had that reaction I didn’t go

soon as I had that reaction I didn’t go like hey I should say something to him I

like hey I should say something to him I

like hey I should say something to him I I said something to you know what I mean

I said something to you know what I mean

I said something to you know what I mean like I sent you an email like right then

like I sent you an email like right then

like I sent you an email like right then and and like part of that though is that

and and like part of that though is that

and and like part of that though is that I wasn’t thinking like Oh what can I get

I wasn’t thinking like Oh what can I get

I wasn’t thinking like Oh what can I get out of Evan it was like I’m gonna reach

out of Evan it was like I’m gonna reach

out of Evan it was like I’m gonna reach out to this / – in that right so you

out to this / – in that right so you

out to this / – in that right so you have to you actually have to love it

have to you actually have to love it

have to you actually have to love it like if you’re thinking about this like

like if you’re thinking about this like

like if you’re thinking about this like transactionally i think it’s not going

transactionally i think it’s not going

transactionally i think it’s not going to be fun and you’re not gonna do it

to be fun and you’re not gonna do it

to be fun and you’re not gonna do it right like like that for instance

right like like that for instance

right like like that for instance there’s services like contactually and

there’s services like contactually and

there’s services like contactually and other apps where like they sort of

other apps where like they sort of

other apps where like they sort of monitor your email and they go like hey

monitor your email and they go like hey

monitor your email and they go like hey you haven’t sent Evan and you

you haven’t sent Evan and you

you haven’t sent Evan and you six months like to send him a note and

six months like to send him a note and

six months like to send him a note and like I get those from other people and I

like I get those from other people and I

like I get those from other people and I can spot when they’re doing it you know

can spot when they’re doing it you know

can spot when they’re doing it you know like like I got this email out of the

like like I got this email out of the

like like I got this email out of the blue from someone it was like hi Ryan I

blue from someone it was like hi Ryan I

blue from someone it was like hi Ryan I just wanted to see how I could help you

just wanted to see how I could help you

just wanted to see how I could help you today and like that was all it said I

today and like that was all it said I

today and like that was all it said I was like no human would ever send this

was like no human would ever send this

was like no human would ever send this email like that’s such a weird thing to

email like that’s such a weird thing to

email like that’s such a weird thing to say you know and and like so it just

say you know and and like so it just

say you know and and like so it just made me feel like I was like a part of

made me feel like I was like a part of

made me feel like I was like a part of that person’s to-do list and I didn’t

that person’s to-do list and I didn’t

that person’s to-do list and I didn’t appreciate that so great

appreciate that so great

appreciate that so great maybe my system isn’t perfect but I do

maybe my system isn’t perfect but I do

maybe my system isn’t perfect but I do feel like it’s authentic and real and so

feel like it’s authentic and real and so

feel like it’s authentic and real and so I kind of do it that applies to too much

I kind of do it that applies to too much

I kind of do it that applies to too much more than just business relationships to

more than just business relationships to

more than just business relationships to you like to your team to your family to

you like to your team to your family to

you like to your team to your family to your friends I tried to get in that

your friends I tried to get in that

your friends I tried to get in that habit to you like if I’m thinking about

habit to you like if I’m thinking about

habit to you like if I’m thinking about somebody I can tell them and even

somebody I can tell them and even

somebody I can tell them and even yesterday as an example or two years ago

yesterday as an example or two years ago

yesterday as an example or two years ago I was in the shower thinking about

I was in the shower thinking about

I was in the shower thinking about somebody on my team is it’s a dude and I

somebody on my team is it’s a dude and I

somebody on my team is it’s a dude and I brought them and said hey hey hey Jason

brought them and said hey hey hey Jason

brought them and said hey hey hey Jason I was thinking about you in the shower

I was thinking about you in the shower

I was thinking about you in the shower this morning lol and then they bit like

this morning lol and then they bit like

this morning lol and then they bit like my thoughts yeah and like it’s even more

my thoughts yeah and like it’s even more

my thoughts yeah and like it’s even more authentic and more human and more funny

authentic and more human and more funny

authentic and more human and more funny and I’ve never had those things backfire

and I’ve never had those things backfire

and I’ve never had those things backfire and sometimes it’s like 2:00 in the

and sometimes it’s like 2:00 in the

and sometimes it’s like 2:00 in the morning just this random thought like

morning just this random thought like

morning just this random thought like I’m thinking about Ryan I’m thinking

I’m thinking about Ryan I’m thinking

I’m thinking about Ryan I’m thinking about somebody and you just shoot out

about somebody and you just shoot out

about somebody and you just shoot out that email should have that message

that email should have that message

that email should have that message right away because you’re gonna forget

right away because you’re gonna forget

right away because you’re gonna forget the next day and you’re also in that

the next day and you’re also in that

the next day and you’re also in that authentic moment thinking about them so

authentic moment thinking about them so

authentic moment thinking about them so the weirdest thing happened to me when I

the weirdest thing happened to me when I

the weirdest thing happened to me when I wrote this book called the obstacles the

wrote this book called the obstacles the

wrote this book called the obstacles the way and as after it came out it started

way and as after it came out it started

way and as after it came out it started to make its way through professional

to make its way through professional

to make its way through professional sports sort of a total accident I didn’t

sports sort of a total accident I didn’t

sports sort of a total accident I didn’t plan it I didn’t know it and it was the

plan it I didn’t know it and it was the

plan it I didn’t know it and it was the weirdest thing I started getting emails

weirdest thing I started getting emails

weirdest thing I started getting emails from like coaches like big coaches for

from like coaches like big coaches for

from like coaches like big coaches for big teams like the New England Patriots

big teams like the New England Patriots

big teams like the New England Patriots and the Seahawks and stuff like that and

and the Seahawks and stuff like that and

and the Seahawks and stuff like that and and at first I was like shocked like I

and at first I was like shocked like I

and at first I was like shocked like I was like why are these people emailing

was like why are these people emailing

was like why are these people emailing me this makes like it’s cool that

me this makes like it’s cool that

me this makes like it’s cool that they’re reading my book but why are they

they’re reading my book but why are they

they’re reading my book but why are they emailing me and then I realized that

emailing me and then I realized that

emailing me and then I realized that they had the same habit that you and I

they had the same habit that you and I

they had the same habit that you and I were just talking about if they read

were just talking about if they read

were just talking about if they read something and they liked it they shot

something and they liked it they shot

something and they liked it they shot the person an email and so and and

the person an email and so and and

the person an email and so and and that’s how they’ve built up really

that’s how they’ve built up really

that’s how they’ve built up really valuable networks of experts and allies

valuable networks of experts and allies

valuable networks of experts and allies and donors and supporters and reporters

and donors and supporters and reporters

and donors and supporters and reporters and all these things right it’s like

and all these things right it’s like

and all these things right it’s like they if they see something they like so

they if they see something they like so

they if they see something they like so so that’s a habit that I’ve tried to

so that’s a habit that I’ve tried to

so that’s a habit that I’ve tried to cultivate like if I’m reading

cultivate like if I’m reading

cultivate like if I’m reading an article in The New York Times and I

an article in The New York Times and I

an article in The New York Times and I think it’s really good I’ll shoot the

think it’s really good I’ll shoot the

think it’s really good I’ll shoot the reporter an email I’ll just be like hey

reporter an email I’ll just be like hey

reporter an email I’ll just be like hey look I thought this was really good I’m

look I thought this was really good I’m

look I thought this was really good I’m like they don’t I don’t say like hey you

like they don’t I don’t say like hey you

like they don’t I don’t say like hey you know I have a big email list we should

know I have a big email list we should

know I have a big email list we should be friends or something like I just send

be friends or something like I just send

be friends or something like I just send them this note and then who knows maybe

them this note and then who knows maybe

them this note and then who knows maybe in seven years I’ll be watching the

in seven years I’ll be watching the

in seven years I’ll be watching the YouTube video and I’ll be like hey

YouTube video and I’ll be like hey

YouTube video and I’ll be like hey remember we talked seven years ago and

remember we talked seven years ago and

remember we talked seven years ago and we should do something you know like you

we should do something you know like you

we should do something you know like you might you you the really these things

might you you the really these things

might you you the really these things aren’t so transactional they’re like

aren’t so transactional they’re like

aren’t so transactional they’re like little investments little bets you know

little investments little bets you know

little investments little bets you know and and you never know how things are

and and you never know how things are

and and you never know how things are gonna turn out and so I think you want

gonna turn out and so I think you want

gonna turn out and so I think you want to be as generous and friendly and

to be as generous and friendly and

to be as generous and friendly and authentic as possible you know Brian

authentic as possible you know Brian

authentic as possible you know Brian Grazer yes the the filmmaker yeah yeah

Grazer yes the the filmmaker yeah yeah

Grazer yes the the filmmaker yeah yeah so something I don’t know am i’m a huge

so something I don’t know am i’m a huge

so something I don’t know am i’m a huge fan but he said behind the scenes guy

fan but he said behind the scenes guy

fan but he said behind the scenes guy right like he’s with the matching

right like he’s with the matching

right like he’s with the matching entertainment Ron Howard they’ve won

entertainment Ron Howard they’ve won

entertainment Ron Howard they’ve won like you know dozens of Academy Awards a

like you know dozens of Academy Awards a

like you know dozens of Academy Awards a path you know that so his team reached

path you know that so his team reached

path you know that so his team reached out to me and said hey Brian would like

out to me and said hey Brian would like

out to me and said hey Brian would like to meet you really come to LA and and

to meet you really come to LA and and

to meet you really come to LA and and have a half an hour sit down with Brian

have a half an hour sit down with Brian

have a half an hour sit down with Brian it’s like okay sure happy to go down

it’s like okay sure happy to go down

it’s like okay sure happy to go down there I had something else happening

there I had something else happening

there I had something else happening there so I popped in and he explained to

there so I popped in and he explained to

there so I popped in and he explained to me that you know he liked my channel he

me that you know he liked my channel he

me that you know he liked my channel he shows his son the videos and he just

shows his son the videos and he just

shows his son the videos and he just wanted to meet he’s like I don’t know I

wanted to meet he’s like I don’t know I

wanted to meet he’s like I don’t know I don’t know what to talk about yeah I

don’t know what to talk about yeah I

don’t know what to talk about yeah I have no agenda yeah when I came to

have no agenda yeah when I came to

have no agenda yeah when I came to Hollywood I knew nobody and I just met

Hollywood I knew nobody and I just met

Hollywood I knew nobody and I just met people and said hey I’m curious about

people and said hey I’m curious about

people and said hey I’m curious about you and now he kind of knows everyone in

you and now he kind of knows everyone in

you and now he kind of knows everyone in Hollywood he’s expanding beyond to other

Hollywood he’s expanding beyond to other

Hollywood he’s expanding beyond to other creatives and there’s no agenda just to

creatives and there’s no agenda just to

creatives and there’s no agenda just to meet and connect basically do you ever

meet and connect basically do you ever

meet and connect basically do you ever want to do a TV short movie and like I

want to do a TV short movie and like I

want to do a TV short movie and like I don’t know I’m gonna write so like that

don’t know I’m gonna write so like that

don’t know I’m gonna write so like that curiosity that reaching out that forming

curiosity that reaching out that forming

curiosity that reaching out that forming connections with no agenda is

connections with no agenda is

connections with no agenda is interesting ya know and and I’m from

interesting ya know and and I’m from

interesting ya know and and I’m from what I’ve read about Brian graders some

what I’ve read about Brian graders some

what I’ve read about Brian graders some of his biggest movies have come from

of his biggest movies have come from

of his biggest movies have come from lunches like that you know like I think

lunches like that you know like I think

lunches like that you know like I think that he met Eminem that way and that’s

that he met Eminem that way and that’s

that he met Eminem that way and that’s how the movie 8 mile happened you know

how the movie 8 mile happened you know

how the movie 8 mile happened you know it’s like he would meet interesting

it’s like he would meet interesting

it’s like he would meet interesting people who’s it’s like you you have to

people who’s it’s like you you have to

people who’s it’s like you you have to have that flicker of interest and then

have that flicker of interest and then

have that flicker of interest and then you have to pursue it and I think a lot

you have to pursue it and I think a lot

you have to pursue it and I think a lot of people just sort of leave things on

of people just sort of leave things on

of people just sort of leave things on the table that way

the table that way

the table that way interesting well Brian is crazy how

interesting well Brian is crazy how

interesting well Brian is crazy how quickly time flies really at the mark I

quickly time flies really at the mark I

quickly time flies really at the mark I want everybody to check out perennial

want everybody to check out perennial

want everybody to check out perennial cellar check it on an amazon go to

cellar check it on an amazon go to

cellar check it on an amazon go to perennial sale calm I’m going to give it

perennial sale calm I’m going to give it

perennial sale calm I’m going to give it to Ryan for one final message Ryan my

to Ryan for one final message Ryan my

to Ryan for one final message Ryan my grandkid

grandkid

grandkid is gonna watch this video I’m gonna make

is gonna watch this video I’m gonna make

is gonna watch this video I’m gonna make her go to this part in the video let’s

her go to this part in the video let’s

her go to this part in the video let’s start with what’s the final message you

start with what’s the final message you

start with what’s the final message you want to deliver to people that my grand

want to deliver to people that my grand

want to deliver to people that my grand my granddaughter’s gonna watch so so

my granddaughter’s gonna watch so so

my granddaughter’s gonna watch so so here’s what I would say I think there’s

here’s what I would say I think there’s

here’s what I would say I think there’s lots of ways to make money in life right

lots of ways to make money in life right

lots of ways to make money in life right you can make money on Wall Street you

you can make money on Wall Street you

you can make money on Wall Street you can make money as an entrepreneur you

can make money as an entrepreneur you

can make money as an entrepreneur you can make there’s lots of ways to make

can make there’s lots of ways to make

can make there’s lots of ways to make money and some of the money some of

money and some of the money some of

money and some of the money some of those ways are surprisingly easy right

those ways are surprisingly easy right

those ways are surprisingly easy right and I think we we actually make it seem

and I think we we actually make it seem

and I think we we actually make it seem harder than it actually is

harder than it actually is

harder than it actually is so my point is if you’re gonna if you’re

so my point is if you’re gonna if you’re

so my point is if you’re gonna if you’re gonna make art right you’re gonna make

gonna make art right you’re gonna make

gonna make art right you’re gonna make videos or books or you’re gonna be a

videos or books or you’re gonna be a

videos or books or you’re gonna be a writer or you’re gonna be a creator of

writer or you’re gonna be a creator of

writer or you’re gonna be a creator of some kind don’t do it just to make money

some kind don’t do it just to make money

some kind don’t do it just to make money do it because you want to make something

do it because you want to make something

do it because you want to make something meaningful and important because you

meaningful and important because you

meaningful and important because you want to leave a legacy because you want

want to leave a legacy because you want

want to leave a legacy because you want something that can last for more than

something that can last for more than

something that can last for more than one generation right and so if you’re

one generation right and so if you’re

one generation right and so if you’re gonna do it I would say do it right

gonna do it I would say do it right

gonna do it I would say do it right right like don’t don’t decide to be an

right like don’t don’t decide to be an

right like don’t don’t decide to be an author because you heard lots of people

author because you heard lots of people

author because you heard lots of people are making money in ebooks that’s a

are making money in ebooks that’s a

are making money in ebooks that’s a really crummy reason to do it do it

really crummy reason to do it do it

really crummy reason to do it do it because you can’t not do it because it

because you can’t not do it because it

because you can’t not do it because it speaks to some part of your soul and I

speaks to some part of your soul and I

speaks to some part of your soul and I think you’ll be you’ll not only be

think you’ll be you’ll not only be

think you’ll be you’ll not only be happier but I actually think you’ll be a

happier but I actually think you’ll be a

happier but I actually think you’ll be a lot more successful I love it

lot more successful I love it

lot more successful I love it Ryan holiday ladies and gentlemen well

Ryan holiday ladies and gentlemen well

Ryan holiday ladies and gentlemen well right thank you for your time thank you

right thank you for your time thank you

right thank you for your time thank you guys all for watching we’ll do this

guys all for watching we’ll do this

guys all for watching we’ll do this again soon we believe in you hope

again soon we believe in you hope

again soon we believe in you hope continue to believe in yourself

continue to believe in yourself

continue to believe in yourself and whatever your one word is Thank You

and whatever your one word is Thank You

and whatever your one word is Thank You Ryan we’ll see you soon

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