and it’s believed so well done good okay we are alive so if everybody watching
we are alive so if everybody watching
we are alive so if everybody watching I’m doing a one-on-one interview with
I’m doing a one-on-one interview with
I’m doing a one-on-one interview with Dan Pontefract he’s launching a new book
Dan Pontefract he’s launching a new book
Dan Pontefract he’s launching a new book I would like to say the title of the
I would like to say the title of the
I would like to say the title of the book we could call the working title
book we could call the working title
book we could call the working title every time a go for it okay so the book
every time a go for it okay so the book
every time a go for it okay so the book is he wrote to me and I’m writing the
is he wrote to me and I’m writing the
is he wrote to me and I’m writing the book it’s called let me see it’s work
book it’s called let me see it’s work
book it’s called let me see it’s work not Jail the difference between a job
not Jail the difference between a job
not Jail the difference between a job and a career with purpose and he wanted
and a career with purpose and he wanted
and a career with purpose and he wanted to interview me for the book and I said
to interview me for the book and I said
to interview me for the book and I said hey let’s turn this into a Google
hey let’s turn this into a Google
hey let’s turn this into a Google hangout so everybody can benefit from
hangout so everybody can benefit from
hangout so everybody can benefit from the knowledge and and we can give Dan a
the knowledge and and we can give Dan a
the knowledge and and we can give Dan a little promotion too so
little promotion too so
little promotion too so then welcome aboard maybe just a quick
then welcome aboard maybe just a quick
then welcome aboard maybe just a quick intro for everybody watching and then
intro for everybody watching and then
intro for everybody watching and then and then ask away
and then ask away
and then ask away excellent well appreciate your time and
excellent well appreciate your time and
excellent well appreciate your time and looking forward to this all week
looking forward to this all week
looking forward to this all week short week but looking forward to it
short week but looking forward to it
short week but looking forward to it nonetheless
nonetheless
nonetheless Who am I well my last name means broken
Who am I well my last name means broken
Who am I well my last name means broken bridge in Latin so I like to say Evan
bridge in Latin so I like to say Evan
bridge in Latin so I like to say Evan I’m the antithesis of my last name I
I’m the antithesis of my last name I
I’m the antithesis of my last name I like to build bridges nice so I’ve been
like to build bridges nice so I’ve been
like to build bridges nice so I’ve been kind of an academic in the professional
kind of an academic in the professional
kind of an academic in the professional ranks and currently chief and visionary
ranks and currently chief and visionary
ranks and currently chief and visionary at TELUS which is a fancy way to say
at TELUS which is a fancy way to say
at TELUS which is a fancy way to say we’re here to help other organizations
we’re here to help other organizations
we’re here to help other organizations transform their culture transform their
transform their culture transform their
transform their culture transform their organizations and with my kind of
organizations and with my kind of
organizations and with my kind of academic education experience and this
academic education experience and this
academic education experience and this sort of last twelve years in the
sort of last twelve years in the
sort of last twelve years in the corporate ranks I really have been
corporate ranks I really have been
corporate ranks I really have been noodling and thus now I’ve been writing
noodling and thus now I’ve been writing
noodling and thus now I’ve been writing a lot over the last five or six years
a lot over the last five or six years
a lot over the last five or six years about organizations and people the first
about organizations and people the first
about organizations and people the first book that came out about a year and a
book that came out about a year and a
book that came out about a year and a half ago now flat are me creating a
half ago now flat are me creating a
half ago now flat are me creating a connected and engaged organization was
connected and engaged organization was
connected and engaged organization was the investigation of what’s wrong with
the investigation of what’s wrong with
the investigation of what’s wrong with essentially leadership and what might we
essentially leadership and what might we
essentially leadership and what might we do from an organizational leadership
do from an organizational leadership
do from an organizational leadership perspective to get people feeling better
perspective to get people feeling better
perspective to get people feeling better inside the organization that they’re not
inside the organization that they’re not
inside the organization that they’re not just part of the proletariat that in
just part of the proletariat that in
just part of the proletariat that in fact you know they can be part of a
fact you know they can be part of a
fact you know they can be part of a solution they can be included you know
solution they can be included you know
solution they can be included you know in ideas and answers and customer facing
in ideas and answers and customer facing
in ideas and answers and customer facing solutions that’s I think one of the
solutions that’s I think one of the
solutions that’s I think one of the problems with organizations say it’s
problems with organizations say it’s
problems with organizations say it’s just so wretched from a
just so wretched from a
just so wretched from a command-and-control Industrial
command-and-control Industrial
command-and-control Industrial Revolution perspective that we needed a
Revolution perspective that we needed a
Revolution perspective that we needed a new organizing culture now to me there’s
new organizing culture now to me there’s
new organizing culture now to me there’s a yin yang to what
a yin yang to what
a yin yang to what is every coin right so one side of the
is every coin right so one side of the
is every coin right so one side of the coin is what’s wrong with leadership and
coin is what’s wrong with leadership and
coin is what’s wrong with leadership and what should our organizations do this
what should our organizations do this
what should our organizations do this next book which I’m really intrigued to
next book which I’m really intrigued to
next book which I’m really intrigued to ask you questions about is the flip side
ask you questions about is the flip side
ask you questions about is the flip side what’s wrong with us
what’s wrong with us
what’s wrong with us meaning the employees in the
meaning the employees in the
meaning the employees in the organization I think have a culpability
organization I think have a culpability
organization I think have a culpability to sort of that level of disengagement
to sort of that level of disengagement
to sort of that level of disengagement in the organization I think they need to
in the organization I think they need to
in the organization I think they need to take some ownership and ultimately to
take some ownership and ultimately to
take some ownership and ultimately to induce some gumption into their own
induce some gumption into their own
induce some gumption into their own working lives so I’m curious from your
working lives so I’m curious from your
working lives so I’m curious from your perspective my first question if you
perspective my first question if you
perspective my first question if you don’t mind yeah yeah you’re right do you
don’t mind yeah yeah you’re right do you
don’t mind yeah yeah you’re right do you in your experience have you noticed the
in your experience have you noticed the
in your experience have you noticed the difference between people and their
difference between people and their
difference between people and their mindsets in a job in a career and those
mindsets in a job in a career and those
mindsets in a job in a career and those that really are flourishing like it
that really are flourishing like it
that really are flourishing like it seems that you meet these people
seems that you meet these people
seems that you meet these people sometimes and they were destined to do
sometimes and they were destined to do
sometimes and they were destined to do what they do and they don’t think about
what they do and they don’t think about
what they do and they don’t think about it as a job or a career and I wonder if
it as a job or a career and I wonder if
it as a job or a career and I wonder if if you had definitions on or thoughts on
if you had definitions on or thoughts on
if you had definitions on or thoughts on the difference between those types of
the difference between those types of
the difference between those types of titles we’re getting deep right from the
titles we’re getting deep right from the
titles we’re getting deep right from the start that wow he’s just hit me hard nah
you know what I think a lot of people
you know what I think a lot of people get up every day in the morning and they
get up every day in the morning and they
get up every day in the morning and they drive to a job the day yeah uh I mean I
drive to a job the day yeah uh I mean I
drive to a job the day yeah uh I mean I deal most with entrepreneurs I don’t
deal most with entrepreneurs I don’t
deal most with entrepreneurs I don’t deal so much with the corporate side but
deal so much with the corporate side but
deal so much with the corporate side but I deal with a lot of people who are in
I deal with a lot of people who are in
I deal with a lot of people who are in companies who hate their job there and I
companies who hate their job there and I
companies who hate their job there and I mean it’s their own fault for being in
mean it’s their own fault for being in
mean it’s their own fault for being in this position but also the companies for
this position but also the companies for
this position but also the companies for not necessarily recognizing the talent
not necessarily recognizing the talent
not necessarily recognizing the talent or using them properly or standing for
or using them properly or standing for
or using them properly or standing for something important and I think a lot of
something important and I think a lot of
something important and I think a lot of people I don’t know exactly the
people I don’t know exactly the
people I don’t know exactly the direction you want to take with the book
direction you want to take with the book
direction you want to take with the book if it’s like guidance for four companies
if it’s like guidance for four companies
if it’s like guidance for four companies and what to do but a lot of people are a
and what to do but a lot of people are a
and what to do but a lot of people are a lot of people have a dream for what they
lot of people have a dream for what they
lot of people have a dream for what they want to do you know like we have a dream
want to do you know like we have a dream
want to do you know like we have a dream we wish we could do this I always do you
we wish we could do this I always do you
we wish we could do this I always do you know it could be a boulder but instead
know it could be a boulder but instead
know it could be a boulder but instead I’m stuck doing you know PR for whatever
I’m stuck doing you know PR for whatever
I’m stuck doing you know PR for whatever company and and we’re afraid to chase
company and and we’re afraid to chase
company and and we’re afraid to chase our dreams and a lot of times that
our dreams and a lot of times that
our dreams and a lot of times that dreams could could work within a company
dreams could could work within a company
dreams could could work within a company but there’s so much you know as you go
but there’s so much you know as you go
but there’s so much you know as you go down a paw
down a paw
down a paw you get traction there and you get
you get traction there and you get
you get traction there and you get experience there and society tells you
experience there and society tells you
experience there and society tells you to keep going because that’s where the
to keep going because that’s where the
to keep going because that’s where the money is it harder to switch paws
money is it harder to switch paws
money is it harder to switch paws especially as you get older right it’s
especially as you get older right it’s
especially as you get older right it’s harder the switch past will do something
harder the switch past will do something
harder the switch past will do something else that you feel you love and we get
else that you feel you love and we get
else that you feel you love and we get stuck on this path and we get we have
stuck on this path and we get we have
stuck on this path and we get we have you know dependence and family and
you know dependence and family and
you know dependence and family and people we have to look after and then it
people we have to look after and then it
people we have to look after and then it becomes really if these the chains of
becomes really if these the chains of
becomes really if these the chains of habit that hold you back and be able to
habit that hold you back and be able to
habit that hold you back and be able to go after what you really want to do so
go after what you really want to do so
go after what you really want to do so interestingly then you’ve touched on a
interestingly then you’ve touched on a
interestingly then you’ve touched on a couple pieces there so one I wanted to
couple pieces there so one I wanted to
couple pieces there so one I wanted to really poke your brain this early in the
really poke your brain this early in the
really poke your brain this early in the forehead there is entrepreneurial there
forehead there is entrepreneurial there
forehead there is entrepreneurial there are entrepreneurs and entrepreneurialism
are entrepreneurs and entrepreneurialism
are entrepreneurs and entrepreneurialism sorry
sorry
sorry so in serve your experience what
so in serve your experience what
so in serve your experience what distinguishes the entrepreneur who’s
distinguishes the entrepreneur who’s
distinguishes the entrepreneur who’s successful and thus really knocking it
successful and thus really knocking it
successful and thus really knocking it out of the park versus those that are a
out of the park versus those that are a
out of the park versus those that are a hazard to use the term but wannabes and
hazard to use the term but wannabes and
hazard to use the term but wannabes and they they’re sort of they’re trying hard
they they’re sort of they’re trying hard
they they’re sort of they’re trying hard but there’s something missing are there
but there’s something missing are there
but there’s something missing are there key traits behaviors you know attributes
key traits behaviors you know attributes
key traits behaviors you know attributes that you see for the successful
that you see for the successful
that you see for the successful entrepreneur and why he or she is loving
entrepreneur and why he or she is loving
entrepreneur and why he or she is loving what they do versus those that aren’t
what they do versus those that aren’t
what they do versus those that aren’t quite practically yeah there are there
quite practically yeah there are there
quite practically yeah there are there two main things that I’ve seen and I’ve
two main things that I’ve seen and I’ve
two main things that I’ve seen and I’ve done tons of research model and famous
done tons of research model and famous
done tons of research model and famous entrepreneurs and how they got started
entrepreneurs and how they got started
entrepreneurs and how they got started and there’s no one comment rate in terms
and there’s no one comment rate in terms
and there’s no one comment rate in terms of personality trait a lot of people
of personality trait a lot of people
of personality trait a lot of people think hey I have to be outgoing I have
think hey I have to be outgoing I have
think hey I have to be outgoing I have to be well-spoken I have to you know the
to be well-spoken I have to you know the
to be well-spoken I have to you know the education side of things I have to have
education side of things I have to have
education side of things I have to have a you know high school education
a you know high school education
a you know high school education university education you don’t have to
university education you don’t have to
university education you don’t have to be the type-a personality you don’t have
be the type-a personality you don’t have
be the type-a personality you don’t have to be a nice person to be a good
to be a nice person to be a good
to be a nice person to be a good entrepreneur right like this all these
entrepreneur right like this all these
entrepreneur right like this all these you may look at those people who are
you may look at those people who are
you may look at those people who are making waves like Richard Branson and
making waves like Richard Branson and
making waves like Richard Branson and Oprah Winfrey and other high-profile
Oprah Winfrey and other high-profile
Oprah Winfrey and other high-profile people but there’s a ton of successful
people but there’s a ton of successful
people but there’s a ton of successful entrepreneurs who are not high-profile
entrepreneurs who are not high-profile
entrepreneurs who are not high-profile you hate or not people people you know
you hate or not people people you know
you hate or not people people you know hate the limelight and just sit down and
hate the limelight and just sit down and
hate the limelight and just sit down and do their thing what makes a difference
do their thing what makes a difference
do their thing what makes a difference most important things one is that you
most important things one is that you
most important things one is that you love what you’re doing and too many
love what you’re doing and too many
love what you’re doing and too many people that I see want to be
people that I see want to be
people that I see want to be entrepreneurs because they want they’re
entrepreneurs because they want they’re
entrepreneurs because they want they’re chasing a lifestyle they want to you
chasing a lifestyle they want to you
chasing a lifestyle they want to you know make their make your own decisions
know make their make your own decisions
know make their make your own decisions be their own boss if they want to leave
be their own boss if they want to leave
be their own boss if they want to leave the corporate ladder
the corporate ladder
the corporate ladder they see opportunities to make money but
they see opportunities to make money but
they see opportunities to make money but they’re not doing it because they have
they’re not doing it because they have
they’re not doing it because they have this burning desire to do it they’re
this burning desire to do it they’re
this burning desire to do it they’re doing it because they’re just trying to
doing it because they’re just trying to
doing it because they’re just trying to make money and escape this life that
make money and escape this life that
make money and escape this life that they don’t want yeah it’s so so so
they don’t want yeah it’s so so so
they don’t want yeah it’s so so so important that you love what you’re
important that you love what you’re
important that you love what you’re doing and you look at most entrepreneurs
doing and you look at most entrepreneurs
doing and you look at most entrepreneurs the guys who have made it you look at
the guys who have made it you look at
the guys who have made it you look at any famous success story it wasn’t easy
any famous success story it wasn’t easy
any famous success story it wasn’t easy they failed for years and years and
they failed for years and years and
they failed for years and years and years and years you know one of my
years and years you know one of my
years and years you know one of my favorite services George Lucas who’s
favorite services George Lucas who’s
favorite services George Lucas who’s from Lucasfilm Star Wars Indiana Jones
from Lucasfilm Star Wars Indiana Jones
from Lucasfilm Star Wars Indiana Jones he went to film school at a time where
he went to film school at a time where
he went to film school at a time where nobody who what the films will ever got
nobody who what the films will ever got
nobody who what the films will ever got a job I mean his whole family thought it
a job I mean his whole family thought it
a job I mean his whole family thought it was crazy where you gonna film school
was crazy where you gonna film school
was crazy where you gonna film school you know everybody thought he’d just be
you know everybody thought he’d just be
you know everybody thought he’d just be a ticket taker at Disney and his first
a ticket taker at Disney and his first
a ticket taker at Disney and his first six years in business were total failure
six years in business were total failure
six years in business were total failure total absolute failure no commercial
total absolute failure no commercial
total absolute failure no commercial success at all he thought about quitting
success at all he thought about quitting
success at all he thought about quitting and going to get a job like not only his
and going to get a job like not only his
and going to get a job like not only his friends and family st. George you’re
friends and family st. George you’re
friends and family st. George you’re nuts but he thought regularly about what
nuts but he thought regularly about what
nuts but he thought regularly about what like what am i doing why am i sticking
like what am i doing why am i sticking
like what am i doing why am i sticking with this thing yeah and eventually he
with this thing yeah and eventually he
with this thing yeah and eventually he made Star Wars he thought it was too
made Star Wars he thought it was too
made Star Wars he thought it was too wacky for the general public he thought
wacky for the general public he thought
wacky for the general public he thought people wouldn’t embrace it it was too
people wouldn’t embrace it it was too
people wouldn’t embrace it it was too crazy too out there and Star Wars became
crazy too out there and Star Wars became
crazy too out there and Star Wars became his huge hit for him he’s not worth you
his huge hit for him he’s not worth you
his huge hit for him he’s not worth you know four or five billion dollars
know four or five billion dollars
know four or five billion dollars whatever it is but like do you have the
whatever it is but like do you have the
whatever it is but like do you have the passion to stick with something through
passion to stick with something through
passion to stick with something through six years of failure before it become
six years of failure before it become
six years of failure before it become successful most people don’t they quit
successful most people don’t they quit
successful most people don’t they quit because you have to be a little bit you
because you have to be a little bit you
because you have to be a little bit you have to love what you do so much that
have to love what you do so much that
have to love what you do so much that you would do it anyway you’re doing it
you would do it anyway you’re doing it
you would do it anyway you’re doing it to do it and if you do it long enough
to do it and if you do it long enough
to do it and if you do it long enough you find a way to turn it into a
you find a way to turn it into a
you find a way to turn it into a business where most people they don’t
business where most people they don’t
business where most people they don’t have that they don’t have that passion
have that they don’t have that passion
have that they don’t have that passion enough and as soon as it gets hard
enough and as soon as it gets hard
enough and as soon as it gets hard you’re doing something just to make
you’re doing something just to make
you’re doing something just to make money you join a network marketing
money you join a network marketing
money you join a network marketing company because you’re promised
company because you’re promised
company because you’re promised you know big riches in three months if
you know big riches in three months if
you know big riches in three months if you do these ten steps you get out this
you do these ten steps you get out this
you do these ten steps you get out this get rich quick guide on whatever you
get rich quick guide on whatever you
get rich quick guide on whatever you those things never work it always takes
those things never work it always takes
those things never work it always takes longer than you think it’s gonna take so
longer than you think it’s gonna take so
longer than you think it’s gonna take so that’s the first part it’s like the guys
that’s the first part it’s like the guys
that’s the first part it’s like the guys who’d become highly successful are
who’d become highly successful are
who’d become highly successful are passionate they love what they’re doing
passionate they love what they’re doing
passionate they love what they’re doing they keep going through all hurdles and
they keep going through all hurdles and
they keep going through all hurdles and the second part is they got started yeah
the second part is they got started yeah
the second part is they got started yeah like they actually got started and
like they actually got started and
like they actually got started and that’s the big thing that a lot of
that’s the big thing that a lot of
that’s the big thing that a lot of people don’t do if they’re working at a
people don’t do if they’re working at a
people don’t do if they’re working at a company and they hate their job and they
company and they hate their job and they
company and they hate their job and they hate their life and they have this
hate their life and they have this
hate their life and they have this vision do something about it
vision do something about it
vision do something about it like
like
like you oughta take some action you are
you oughta take some action you are
you oughta take some action you are accountable for your life the cavalry is
accountable for your life the cavalry is
accountable for your life the cavalry is not coming to save you you have to go
not coming to save you you have to go
not coming to save you you have to go take action and do something it doesn’t
take action and do something it doesn’t
take action and do something it doesn’t have to mean you quit your job and you
have to mean you quit your job and you
have to mean you quit your job and you go full-time and you you burn all your
go full-time and you you burn all your
go full-time and you you burn all your bridges you’d like do something small
bridges you’d like do something small
bridges you’d like do something small part-time like you take steps towards
part-time like you take steps towards
part-time like you take steps towards living the life that you want and
living the life that you want and
living the life that you want and sometimes that’s a business and
sometimes that’s a business and
sometimes that’s a business and sometimes that’s switching careers or
sometimes that’s switching careers or
sometimes that’s switching careers or going through a new company it doesn’t
going through a new company it doesn’t
going through a new company it doesn’t have to be like as much as I forced you
have to be like as much as I forced you
have to be like as much as I forced you know I love entrepreneurship that’s my
know I love entrepreneurship that’s my
know I love entrepreneurship that’s my default thinking but for a lot of people
default thinking but for a lot of people
default thinking but for a lot of people they don’t want to be entrepreneurs and
they don’t want to be entrepreneurs and
they don’t want to be entrepreneurs and that’s cool too yeah
that’s cool too yeah
that’s cool too yeah so just capitalism play a part and
so just capitalism play a part and
so just capitalism play a part and that’s a detriment to the success or
that’s a detriment to the success or
that’s a detriment to the success or unsuccess of people ie you mentioned it
unsuccess of people ie you mentioned it
unsuccess of people ie you mentioned it a couple times don’t do it for the money
a couple times don’t do it for the money
a couple times don’t do it for the money do it for your passions for your love do
do it for your passions for your love do
do it for your passions for your love do because that’s what and who you are put
because that’s what and who you are put
because that’s what and who you are put on this earth for but does keeping up
on this earth for but does keeping up
on this earth for but does keeping up with the Joneses and the illusion of
with the Joneses and the illusion of
with the Joneses and the illusion of money the you know capitalism in and of
money the you know capitalism in and of
money the you know capitalism in and of itself creates some of that angst and
itself creates some of that angst and
itself creates some of that angst and some of that misconception and the
some of that misconception and the
some of that misconception and the perception that that’s what you’re
perception that that’s what you’re
perception that that’s what you’re supposed to be uh you know I haven’t
supposed to be uh you know I haven’t
supposed to be uh you know I haven’t thought that deeply about it I don’t
thought that deeply about it I don’t
thought that deeply about it I don’t know if it’s capitalism I don’t know if
know if it’s capitalism I don’t know if
know if it’s capitalism I don’t know if it’s a culture thing we learned growing
it’s a culture thing we learned growing
it’s a culture thing we learned growing up to get a job right we go to school
up to get a job right we go to school
up to get a job right we go to school you’re expected to go get a job you
you’re expected to go get a job you
you’re expected to go get a job you don’t learn a lot about becoming an
don’t learn a lot about becoming an
don’t learn a lot about becoming an entrepreneur in most classes you know I
entrepreneur in most classes you know I
entrepreneur in most classes you know I didn’t I didn’t learn about it when I
didn’t I didn’t learn about it when I
didn’t I didn’t learn about it when I went through university wasn’t classes
went through university wasn’t classes
went through university wasn’t classes on entrepreneurship there isn’t enough
on entrepreneurship there isn’t enough
on entrepreneurship there isn’t enough of a if we’re talking about curriculum
of a if we’re talking about curriculum
of a if we’re talking about curriculum and education and you know societal
and education and you know societal
and education and you know societal views there’s not enough about following
views there’s not enough about following
views there’s not enough about following your passion like where do you learn to
your passion like where do you learn to
your passion like where do you learn to follow your passion not from where you
follow your passion not from where you
follow your passion not from where you learn to take risk and like our society
learn to take risk and like our society
learn to take risk and like our society will often I think at least in North
will often I think at least in North
will often I think at least in North America there may be a little more
America there may be a little more
America there may be a little more tolerance towards doing your own thing
tolerance towards doing your own thing
tolerance towards doing your own thing and individualism than in other
and individualism than in other
and individualism than in other countries where you’re expected to take
countries where you’re expected to take
countries where you’re expected to take over you know the family business or
over you know the family business or
over you know the family business or you’re expected to become a certain
you’re expected to become a certain
you’re expected to become a certain profession because that’s how it’s been
profession because that’s how it’s been
profession because that’s how it’s been for generations so other cultures might
for generations so other cultures might
for generations so other cultures might have a harder time than then here in
have a harder time than then here in
have a harder time than then here in North America but still like where do
North America but still like where do
North America but still like where do you learn
you learn
you learn how to where do you learn how to find
how to where do you learn how to find
how to where do you learn how to find your passion where do you learn what
your passion where do you learn what
your passion where do you learn what you’re excited about and what kind of
you’re excited about and what kind of
you’re excited about and what kind of opportunities that may lead you to words
opportunities that may lead you to words
opportunities that may lead you to words you know I became an entrepreneur when I
you know I became an entrepreneur when I
you know I became an entrepreneur when I met two people in university and they
met two people in university and they
met two people in university and they had a business and asked him to join us
had a business and asked him to join us
had a business and asked him to join us a struggling business I became a partner
a struggling business I became a partner
a struggling business I became a partner in it
in it
in it up until then when I graduated high
up until then when I graduated high
up until then when I graduated high school you look at my high school
school you look at my high school
school you look at my high school yearbook it says I where are you in 20
yearbook it says I where are you in 20
yearbook it says I where are you in 20 years you know the classic question I
years you know the classic question I
years you know the classic question I wrote VP at a major investment bank yeah
wrote VP at a major investment bank yeah
wrote VP at a major investment bank yeah like that was my that was my dream job
like that was my that was my dream job
like that was my that was my dream job and if I didn’t meet those two
and if I didn’t meet those two
and if I didn’t meet those two entrepreneurs in university my life
entrepreneurs in university my life
entrepreneurs in university my life would be totally different I turned down
would be totally different I turned down
would be totally different I turned down opportunities with Merrill Lynch and
opportunities with Merrill Lynch and
opportunities with Merrill Lynch and McKinsey Consulting at a university to
McKinsey Consulting at a university to
McKinsey Consulting at a university to do my own thing with a struggling
do my own thing with a struggling
do my own thing with a struggling business that wasn’t working because
business that wasn’t working because
business that wasn’t working because somehow it just felt right anybody those
somehow it just felt right anybody those
somehow it just felt right anybody those people what would have happened like I’d
people what would have happened like I’d
people what would have happened like I’d be in the in in high school and into
be in the in in high school and into
be in the in in high school and into University it was that sort of your
University it was that sort of your
University it was that sort of your mindset I am going to make money as an
mindset I am going to make money as an
mindset I am going to make money as an investment hedge fund manager director
investment hedge fund manager director
investment hedge fund manager director VP and then you like wait a second there
VP and then you like wait a second there
VP and then you like wait a second there are other ways that I’m programmed and
are other ways that I’m programmed and
are other ways that I’m programmed and by meeting these cohorts you’re like oh
by meeting these cohorts you’re like oh
by meeting these cohorts you’re like oh this is a different way in which I can
this is a different way in which I can
this is a different way in which I can live my life and was that a trigger
live my life and was that a trigger
live my life and was that a trigger because of where you were before I don’t
because of where you were before I don’t
because of where you were before I don’t think necessarily money was the number
think necessarily money was the number
think necessarily money was the number one like I’m gonna go become an
one like I’m gonna go become an
one like I’m gonna go become an investment banker because I can make a
investment banker because I can make a
investment banker because I can make a lot of money I was did in I was
lot of money I was did in I was
lot of money I was did in I was interesting it like I like stocks I like
interesting it like I like stocks I like
interesting it like I like stocks I like you know I took finance courses I liked
you know I took finance courses I liked
you know I took finance courses I liked economics like that so it’s just kind of
economics like that so it’s just kind of
economics like that so it’s just kind of like a natural progression for me I knew
like a natural progression for me I knew
like a natural progression for me I knew I hated Sciences I dropped those as soon
I hated Sciences I dropped those as soon
I hated Sciences I dropped those as soon as I could you know so I just moved
as I could you know so I just moved
as I could you know so I just moved towards this because I enjoyed it but
towards this because I enjoyed it but
towards this because I enjoyed it but but entrepreneurship as a path and and
but entrepreneurship as a path and and
but entrepreneurship as a path and and having skills or tool sets or teachers
having skills or tool sets or teachers
having skills or tool sets or teachers to help guide you on finding your
to help guide you on finding your
to help guide you on finding your passion that I didn’t have that I mean I
passion that I didn’t have that I mean I
passion that I didn’t have that I mean I went to private school to I’m scared of
went to private school to I’m scared of
went to private school to I’m scared of what happens in the public school system
what happens in the public school system
what happens in the public school system yeah we don’t have enough of it I mean I
yeah we don’t have enough of it I mean I
yeah we don’t have enough of it I mean I didn’t have role models I didn’t have
didn’t have role models I didn’t have
didn’t have role models I didn’t have people in my family who are
people in my family who are
people in my family who are entrepreneurs I didn’t have even distant
entrepreneurs I didn’t have even distant
entrepreneurs I didn’t have even distant family / entrepreneurs I didn’t grow up
family / entrepreneurs I didn’t grow up
family / entrepreneurs I didn’t grow up around entrepreneurs so it wasn’t wasn’t
around entrepreneurs so it wasn’t wasn’t
around entrepreneurs so it wasn’t wasn’t in my psyche I think a lot of
in my psyche I think a lot of
in my psyche I think a lot of entrepreneurs come they may come from
entrepreneurs come they may come from
entrepreneurs come they may come from Ontario
Ontario
Ontario families you have to learn it somewhere
families you have to learn it somewhere
families you have to learn it somewhere you’ve been inspired somewhere book a
you’ve been inspired somewhere book a
you’ve been inspired somewhere book a movie family your you know somewhere you
movie family your you know somewhere you
movie family your you know somewhere you have to get inspired by it but it’s like
have to get inspired by it but it’s like
have to get inspired by it but it’s like you look at the top guys let the guys
you look at the top guys let the guys
you look at the top guys let the guys who really made it they’re doing it not
who really made it they’re doing it not
who really made it they’re doing it not they’re not doing it for the money you
they’re not doing it for the money you
they’re not doing it for the money you know I look at Steve Jobs Steve Jobs was
know I look at Steve Jobs Steve Jobs was
know I look at Steve Jobs Steve Jobs was a multi-millionaire in his 20s yeah I’m
a multi-millionaire in his 20s yeah I’m
a multi-millionaire in his 20s yeah I’m millionaire in his 20s and he kept
millionaire in his 20s and he kept
millionaire in his 20s and he kept working until until he died trying to
working until until he died trying to
working until until he died trying to make something great happen you know his
make something great happen you know his
make something great happen you know his incentive was to put a dent in the
incentive was to put a dent in the
incentive was to put a dent in the universe how many people will keep
universe how many people will keep
universe how many people will keep working when you have tens of millions
working when you have tens of millions
working when you have tens of millions of dollars before you’re 30 and
of dollars before you’re 30 and
of dollars before you’re 30 and strangely enough under his leadership
strangely enough under his leadership
strangely enough under his leadership Apple became the most valuable company
Apple became the most valuable company
Apple became the most valuable company in the world by market cap even though
in the world by market cap even though
in the world by market cap even though his personal goal was never on the money
his personal goal was never on the money
his personal goal was never on the money sure it’s important like you got to make
sure it’s important like you got to make
sure it’s important like you got to make money you got to make money to eat you
money you got to make money to eat you
money you got to make money to eat you know live all that your business has to
know live all that your business has to
know live all that your business has to make money for shareholders but it was
make money for shareholders but it was
make money for shareholders but it was never his number-one goal and yet he
never his number-one goal and yet he
never his number-one goal and yet he built the most valuable company in the
built the most valuable company in the
built the most valuable company in the world where do you learn that yeah well
world where do you learn that yeah well
world where do you learn that yeah well so then it would be an interesting segue
so then it would be an interesting segue
so then it would be an interesting segue to ask you about sort of business
to ask you about sort of business
to ask you about sort of business schools and what’s going on there
schools and what’s going on there
schools and what’s going on there like are we just pumping out in MBAs and
like are we just pumping out in MBAs and
like are we just pumping out in MBAs and B coms and just universities and
B coms and just universities and
B coms and just universities and colleges in general more of what has
colleges in general more of what has
colleges in general more of what has been sort of exacerbating the point that
been sort of exacerbating the point that
been sort of exacerbating the point that it’s it’s money and economics that
it’s it’s money and economics that
it’s it’s money and economics that should be your passion not real passion
should be your passion not real passion
should be your passion not real passion you know I mean like is there something
you know I mean like is there something
you know I mean like is there something that you found in today’s graduates or
that you found in today’s graduates or
that you found in today’s graduates or yesterday’s graduate so it’s the same um
yesterday’s graduate so it’s the same um
yesterday’s graduate so it’s the same um so I mean I think in my experience I’m
so I mean I think in my experience I’m
so I mean I think in my experience I’m not so far removed I’m holding mine 33
not so far removed I’m holding mine 33
not so far removed I’m holding mine 33 and 34 inmates I’m not so far removed
and 34 inmates I’m not so far removed
and 34 inmates I’m not so far removed from I had an undergrad degree Bachelor
from I had an undergrad degree Bachelor
from I had an undergrad degree Bachelor Commerce and finance in university ah no
Commerce and finance in university ah no
Commerce and finance in university ah no I think what it does well is give you
I think what it does well is give you
I think what it does well is give you the technical tools to perform at a job
the technical tools to perform at a job
the technical tools to perform at a job so a lot of people out of brought me and
so a lot of people out of brought me and
so a lot of people out of brought me and where I went to went on to become
where I went to went on to become
where I went to went on to become accountants and went on to become
accountants and went on to become
accountants and went on to become bankers and there’s people my graduating
bankers and there’s people my graduating
bankers and there’s people my graduating class at and the the
class at and the the
class at and the the the skills you learn the stats the
the skills you learn the stats the
the skills you learn the stats the economics all of those skills you need
economics all of those skills you need
economics all of those skills you need to use when you go out and get a job in
to use when you go out and get a job in
to use when you go out and get a job in that yeah
that yeah
that yeah tougher questions like what if that’s
tougher questions like what if that’s
tougher questions like what if that’s not even for you like for me I was
not even for you like for me I was
not even for you like for me I was running my business while I was at
running my business while I was at
running my business while I was at university and I discovered that this
university and I discovered that this
university and I discovered that this wasn’t what I wanted so I’m in this
wasn’t what I wanted so I’m in this
wasn’t what I wanted so I’m in this program that doesn’t support me so I you
program that doesn’t support me so I you
program that doesn’t support me so I you know I don’t know I think it’s more like
know I don’t know I think it’s more like
know I don’t know I think it’s more like how can we get because that’s great for
how can we get because that’s great for
how can we get because that’s great for a lot of students you know that
a lot of students you know that
a lot of students you know that experience is great they learn skills
experience is great they learn skills
experience is great they learn skills it’s great they go get internship that’s
it’s great they go get internship that’s
it’s great they go get internship that’s great it for people who really want that
great it for people who really want that
great it for people who really want that path this is how do you help there’s so
path this is how do you help there’s so
path this is how do you help there’s so much uncertainty and inks and pressure
much uncertainty and inks and pressure
much uncertainty and inks and pressure on young people coming out of high
on young people coming out of high
on young people coming out of high school and university to pick one thing
school and university to pick one thing
school and university to pick one thing that they’re gonna do for the rest of
that they’re gonna do for the rest of
that they’re gonna do for the rest of their life and focus on that and that
their life and focus on that and that
their life and focus on that and that like we don’t give them the tools to
like we don’t give them the tools to
like we don’t give them the tools to pick that thing how do you know what
pick that thing how do you know what
pick that thing how do you know what what you’re supposed to do how do you
what you’re supposed to do how do you
what you’re supposed to do how do you get exposure to entrepreneurship or
get exposure to entrepreneurship or
get exposure to entrepreneurship or other interests that might help you
other interests that might help you
other interests that might help you along your path in a better way like if
along your path in a better way like if
along your path in a better way like if I didn’t meet those two people I
I didn’t meet those two people I
I didn’t meet those two people I wouldn’t be an entrepreneur so that
wouldn’t be an entrepreneur so that
wouldn’t be an entrepreneur so that would have been a huge loss for me so as
would have been a huge loss for me so as
would have been a huge loss for me so as part of your advice perhaps then maybe
part of your advice perhaps then maybe
part of your advice perhaps then maybe not so much University and that’s fine
not so much University and that’s fine
not so much University and that’s fine maybe it is but like network and broaden
maybe it is but like network and broaden
maybe it is but like network and broaden your network and so much that you’re
your network and so much that you’re
your network and so much that you’re experiencing other people and other
experiencing other people and other
experiencing other people and other opportunities to thus then not be so
opportunities to thus then not be so
opportunities to thus then not be so myopic and perhaps what is that you know
myopic and perhaps what is that you know
myopic and perhaps what is that you know what you think is the destiny career
what you think is the destiny career
what you think is the destiny career towards money and and sort of experience
towards money and and sort of experience
towards money and and sort of experience and have the courage and the gumption to
and have the courage and the gumption to
and have the courage and the gumption to go check out other things so that you
go check out other things so that you
go check out other things so that you could be sort of spiritually and
could be sort of spiritually and
could be sort of spiritually and emotionally and professionally
emotionally and professionally
emotionally and professionally understanding other things are in this
understanding other things are in this
understanding other things are in this planet for you as opposed to sort of the
planet for you as opposed to sort of the
planet for you as opposed to sort of the you know the Thoroughbred at the
you know the Thoroughbred at the
you know the Thoroughbred at the racetrack that’s in there there one lane
racetrack that’s in there there one lane
racetrack that’s in there there one lane yeah I think that so it’s a two-part
yeah I think that so it’s a two-part
yeah I think that so it’s a two-part answer I think one you have a personal
answer I think one you have a personal
answer I think one you have a personal responsibility to go out and discover
responsibility to go out and discover
responsibility to go out and discover yourself and I think younger people are
yourself and I think younger people are
yourself and I think younger people are not as motivated by money as older
not as motivated by money as older
not as motivated by money as older people we don’t have as much you know
people we don’t have as much you know
people we don’t have as much you know you don’t have as many responsibilities
you don’t have as many responsibilities
you don’t have as many responsibilities you don’t have kids you don’t have a
you don’t have kids you don’t have a
you don’t have kids you don’t have a mortgage money is not as important and
mortgage money is not as important and
mortgage money is not as important and so younger people don’t make as
so younger people don’t make as
so younger people don’t make as decisions about money but giving
decisions about money but giving
decisions about money but giving yourself you know uh a broad range of
yourself you know uh a broad range of
yourself you know uh a broad range of experiences and open yourself up to
experiences and open yourself up to
experiences and open yourself up to opportunities and being receptive to
opportunities and being receptive to
opportunities and being receptive to them I think you have a responsibility
them I think you have a responsibility
them I think you have a responsibility young person to do that
young person to do that
young person to do that on top of that though I think that that
on top of that though I think that that
on top of that though I think that that we could do better as a society to
we could do better as a society to
we could do better as a society to encourage some of these things to
encourage some of these things to
encourage some of these things to encourage entrepreneurship in schools
encourage entrepreneurship in schools
encourage entrepreneurship in schools that’s one thing I focus on but it’s
that’s one thing I focus on but it’s
that’s one thing I focus on but it’s close to my heart because I think
close to my heart because I think
close to my heart because I think there’s a lot of people who could be
there’s a lot of people who could be
there’s a lot of people who could be great entrepreneurs who are stuck on a
great entrepreneurs who are stuck on a
great entrepreneurs who are stuck on a path that they don’t like and they can’t
path that they don’t like and they can’t
path that they don’t like and they can’t get off yeah but you know I’m not just
get off yeah but you know I’m not just
get off yeah but you know I’m not just gonna blame the government it’s not the
gonna blame the government it’s not the
gonna blame the government it’s not the government’s fault it’s not corporations
government’s fault it’s not corporations
government’s fault it’s not corporations fault it’s also you right like you look
fault it’s also you right like you look
fault it’s also you right like you look it’s your life you got to step up take
it’s your life you got to step up take
it’s your life you got to step up take some responsibility it’s our parents you
some responsibility it’s our parents you
some responsibility it’s our parents you know teaching your kids that explore
know teaching your kids that explore
know teaching your kids that explore what you want to do you don’t have to be
what you want to do you don’t have to be
what you want to do you don’t have to be an accountant just because I’m an
an accountant just because I’m an
an accountant just because I’m an accountant you know so with both sides
accountant you know so with both sides
accountant you know so with both sides of society it’s it’s government
of society it’s it’s government
of society it’s it’s government corporate but it’s also family and your
corporate but it’s also family and your
corporate but it’s also family and your own personal accountability for your
own personal accountability for your
own personal accountability for your life well there’s a couple quotes I’ll
life well there’s a couple quotes I’ll
life well there’s a couple quotes I’ll read to you because I think you’re
read to you because I think you’re
read to you because I think you’re you’re speaking my language here so
you’re speaking my language here so
you’re speaking my language here so Vincent van Gogh of all people said once
Vincent van Gogh of all people said once
Vincent van Gogh of all people said once your profession is not what brings home
your profession is not what brings home
your profession is not what brings home your weekly paycheck your profession is
your weekly paycheck your profession is
your weekly paycheck your profession is what you’re put here on earth to do with
what you’re put here on earth to do with
what you’re put here on earth to do with such passion and such intensity that it
such passion and such intensity that it
such passion and such intensity that it becomes spiritual in calling and I think
becomes spiritual in calling and I think
becomes spiritual in calling and I think for me as I’m doing this research for
for me as I’m doing this research for
for me as I’m doing this research for the book and ultimately my experience as
the book and ultimately my experience as
the book and ultimately my experience as well both directly vicariously and
well both directly vicariously and
well both directly vicariously and indirectly as you said in the opening
indirectly as you said in the opening
indirectly as you said in the opening here there’s a lot of people that are
here there’s a lot of people that are
here there’s a lot of people that are driving to work in that commute angry
driving to work in that commute angry
driving to work in that commute angry and frustrated because they’ve not been
and frustrated because they’ve not been
and frustrated because they’ve not been able to separate the Paycheck from that
able to separate the Paycheck from that
able to separate the Paycheck from that intensity of what is their calling and
intensity of what is their calling and
intensity of what is their calling and putting the effort towards what really
putting the effort towards what really
putting the effort towards what really fuels them and it’s it’s frankly
fuels them and it’s it’s frankly
fuels them and it’s it’s frankly disappointing because I think that’s the
disappointing because I think that’s the
disappointing because I think that’s the culpability I’m speaking to of the
culpability I’m speaking to of the
culpability I’m speaking to of the disengagement that’s prevalent in many
disengagement that’s prevalent in many
disengagement that’s prevalent in many of our organizations yeah and I think
of our organizations yeah and I think
of our organizations yeah and I think you know organizations would do well to
you know organizations would do well to
you know organizations would do well to look at their their comfort their
look at their their comfort their
look at their their comfort their employees and see you know
employees and see you know
employees and see you know underperformers it doesn’t mean that
underperformers it doesn’t mean that
underperformers it doesn’t mean that they can’t perform while at your company
they can’t perform while at your company
they can’t perform while at your company maybe they’re just in the wrong hole
maybe they’re just in the wrong hole
maybe they’re just in the wrong hole right and and for people who are who
right and and for people who are who
right and and for people who are who hate their jobs like you either complain
hate their jobs like you either complain
hate their jobs like you either complain about it or you fix it know which camp
about it or you fix it know which camp
about it or you fix it know which camp you’re gonna be in like I like the work
you’re gonna be in like I like the work
you’re gonna be in like I like the work of the people are gonna fix it and and
of the people are gonna fix it and and
of the people are gonna fix it and and that often means making tough hard
that often means making tough hard
that often means making tough hard decisions I doesn’t have to mean the
decisions I doesn’t have to mean the
decisions I doesn’t have to mean the jumping in and doing something full-time
jumping in and doing something full-time
jumping in and doing something full-time but trying and experimenting and it’s
but trying and experimenting and it’s
but trying and experimenting and it’s it’s looked down upon like if you’re a
it’s looked down upon like if you’re a
it’s looked down upon like if you’re a young person and you jump around from
young person and you jump around from
young person and you jump around from job to job for the first five years it’s
job to job for the first five years it’s
job to job for the first five years it’s looked down upon oh there’s me yeah
looked down upon oh there’s me yeah
looked down upon oh there’s me yeah we’re really that’s the best thing that
we’re really that’s the best thing that
we’re really that’s the best thing that you should be doing because you got to
you should be doing because you got to
you should be doing because you got to find what you love first job if you get
find what you love first job if you get
find what you love first job if you get and you stick on that career path for 30
and you stick on that career path for 30
and you stick on that career path for 30 years because you’re gonna you’re gonna
years because you’re gonna you’re gonna
years because you’re gonna you’re gonna hate your life you have to bounce around
hate your life you have to bounce around
hate your life you have to bounce around and so that that that spirit is not
and so that that that spirit is not
and so that that that spirit is not supported by you know corporations by
supported by you know corporations by
supported by you know corporations by families by our society but it’s
families by our society but it’s
families by our society but it’s important for people to go through to
important for people to go through to
important for people to go through to discover what is their calling yeah so
discover what is their calling yeah so
discover what is their calling yeah so my math is right sort of you’re born in
my math is right sort of you’re born in
my math is right sort of you’re born in 80 yeah yeah yeah yeah so I’m a 71 or so
80 yeah yeah yeah yeah so I’m a 71 or so
80 yeah yeah yeah yeah so I’m a 71 or so I’m an excerpt in the middle between the
I’m an excerpt in the middle between the
I’m an excerpt in the middle between the boomers and you guys in the Millennials
boomers and you guys in the Millennials
boomers and you guys in the Millennials so I gotta ask you this is it a
so I gotta ask you this is it a
so I gotta ask you this is it a generational issue is what a
generational issue is what a
generational issue is what a generational issue this malaise inside
generational issue this malaise inside
generational issue this malaise inside of the organizations where again it
of the organizations where again it
of the organizations where again it doesn’t matter what age you are the data
doesn’t matter what age you are the data
doesn’t matter what age you are the data suggests that people are disengaged and
suggests that people are disengaged and
suggests that people are disengaged and ironically it more so Millennials right
ironically it more so Millennials right
ironically it more so Millennials right now across the globe so is it because
now across the globe so is it because
now across the globe so is it because boomers are preventing that curiosity
boomers are preventing that curiosity
boomers are preventing that curiosity that bravery from Gen Xers and
that bravery from Gen Xers and
that bravery from Gen Xers and Millennials do you see that not being an
Millennials do you see that not being an
Millennials do you see that not being an issue and it’s just look each of us have
issue and it’s just look each of us have
issue and it’s just look each of us have to determine what our DNA is and who we
to determine what our DNA is and who we
to determine what our DNA is and who we are in order to fulfill what’s our
are in order to fulfill what’s our
are in order to fulfill what’s our destiny and that’s what we’re not doing
destiny and that’s what we’re not doing
destiny and that’s what we’re not doing regardless of age so I would kind of
regardless of age so I would kind of
regardless of age so I would kind of combine it I think I think there’s I
combine it I think I think there’s I
combine it I think I think there’s I think everybody has been as a call and
think everybody has been as a call and
think everybody has been as a call and has a purpose has something that they
has a purpose has something that they
has a purpose has something that they would be great
would be great
would be great you know Michael Jordan’s great at
you know Michael Jordan’s great at
you know Michael Jordan’s great at basketball if he was doing you know
basketball if he was doing you know
basketball if he was doing you know Investment Banking he would be great and
Investment Banking he would be great and
Investment Banking he would be great and it’s a shame to the world to not have
it’s a shame to the world to not have
it’s a shame to the world to not have Michael Jordan playing basketball right
Michael Jordan playing basketball right
Michael Jordan playing basketball right and if he didn’t find I don’t know how
and if he didn’t find I don’t know how
and if he didn’t find I don’t know how he picked up that first ball but if that
he picked up that first ball but if that
he picked up that first ball but if that didn’t happen you know the world would
didn’t happen you know the world would
didn’t happen you know the world would be a worse place because of it so I
be a worse place because of it so I
be a worse place because of it so I think we all have something great inside
think we all have something great inside
think we all have something great inside of us you got a channel and find out
of us you got a channel and find out
of us you got a channel and find out what it is
what it is
what it is I think the generational thing is
I think the generational thing is
I think the generational thing is interesting because we younger people
interesting because we younger people
interesting because we younger people have more role models to look at to see
have more role models to look at to see
have more role models to look at to see people who have busted through and
people who have busted through and
people who have busted through and become successful it’s never been easier
become successful it’s never been easier
become successful it’s never been easier to change to start your own business you
to change to start your own business you
to change to start your own business you don’t need a million dollars to launch a
don’t need a million dollars to launch a
don’t need a million dollars to launch a company you just need a website you know
company you just need a website you know
company you just need a website you know let me call these young people doing
let me call these young people doing
let me call these young people doing great things becoming big entrepreneurs
great things becoming big entrepreneurs
great things becoming big entrepreneurs at a pace that that we haven’t seen
at a pace that that we haven’t seen
at a pace that that we haven’t seen before and so younger people have more
before and so younger people have more
before and so younger people have more role models to look up to have more
role models to look up to have more
role models to look up to have more possibilities to think about where the
possibilities to think about where the
possibilities to think about where the older generation may have been more
older generation may have been more
older generation may have been more school towards okay you go get your job
school towards okay you go get your job
school towards okay you go get your job yeah you know let me suck but we deal
yeah you know let me suck but we deal
yeah you know let me suck but we deal with it and they don’t think about
with it and they don’t think about
with it and they don’t think about changing where the younger people we see
changing where the younger people we see
changing where the younger people we see we see Mark Zuckerberg and all these
we see Mark Zuckerberg and all these
we see Mark Zuckerberg and all these young entrepreneurs taking off and feel
young entrepreneurs taking off and feel
young entrepreneurs taking off and feel like I want that man I want that with my
like I want that man I want that with my
like I want that man I want that with my life why am i stuck doing this crap so I
life why am i stuck doing this crap so I
life why am i stuck doing this crap so I think we’ve always I think it’s just
think we’ve always I think it’s just
think we’ve always I think it’s just human nature I think it’s been around
human nature I think it’s been around
human nature I think it’s been around forever just younger people now we may
forever just younger people now we may
forever just younger people now we may have more role models to look at people
have more role models to look at people
have more role models to look at people who’ve had that success and we feel like
who’ve had that success and we feel like
who’ve had that success and we feel like I want that for me yeah exactly
I want that for me yeah exactly
I want that for me yeah exactly okay so another quote that Plato so
okay so another quote that Plato so
okay so another quote that Plato so we’ll go real philosophical on you right
we’ll go real philosophical on you right
we’ll go real philosophical on you right now Plato said human behavior flows from
now Plato said human behavior flows from
now Plato said human behavior flows from three main sources desire emotion and
three main sources desire emotion and
three main sources desire emotion and knowledge so if you were to think about
knowledge so if you were to think about
knowledge so if you were to think about the green buttons down here desire
the green buttons down here desire
the green buttons down here desire emotion knowledge okay so if you’re the
emotion knowledge okay so if you’re the
emotion knowledge okay so if you’re the tenants of that that employee that
tenants of that that employee that
tenants of that that employee that entrepreneur and if you if if Plato is
entrepreneur and if you if if Plato is
entrepreneur and if you if if Plato is saying look our behavior really is
saying look our behavior really is
saying look our behavior really is stemming from the fact that you must
stemming from the fact that you must
stemming from the fact that you must have desire in order to fulfill
have desire in order to fulfill
have desire in order to fulfill that life of purpose let’s say you must
that life of purpose let’s say you must
that life of purpose let’s say you must have the emotion so you’ve got to be
have the emotion so you’ve got to be
have the emotion so you’ve got to be jacked to actually want to do it and you
jacked to actually want to do it and you
jacked to actually want to do it and you should have the intellect and the
should have the intellect and the
should have the intellect and the knowledge expertise in which to fulfill
knowledge expertise in which to fulfill
knowledge expertise in which to fulfill how do you see those three things that
how do you see those three things that
how do you see those three things that Plato was pontificating about in terms
Plato was pontificating about in terms
Plato was pontificating about in terms of one’s purpose and behavior is it
of one’s purpose and behavior is it
of one’s purpose and behavior is it relevant today yeah so my approach my
relevant today yeah so my approach my
relevant today yeah so my approach my coach is a little bit different I think
coach is a little bit different I think
coach is a little bit different I think everybody has has one word that helps to
everybody has has one word that helps to
everybody has has one word that helps to find them so for me it’s believed but I
find them so for me it’s believed but I
find them so for me it’s believed but I think everybody has their own word and
think everybody has their own word and
think everybody has their own word and it’s it’s not it’s not a profession
it’s it’s not it’s not a profession
it’s it’s not it’s not a profession right and my word is in you know
right and my word is in you know
right and my word is in you know accountant or lawyer or whatever but
accountant or lawyer or whatever but
accountant or lawyer or whatever but it’s it’s a value something that we
it’s it’s a value something that we
it’s it’s a value something that we value more than other things in our life
value more than other things in our life
value more than other things in our life and I think this has been a constant
and I think this has been a constant
and I think this has been a constant it’s a constant across your entire life
it’s a constant across your entire life
it’s a constant across your entire life and so if you think about the movies you
and so if you think about the movies you
and so if you think about the movies you like to watch the books you like to read
like to watch the books you like to read
like to watch the books you like to read the friends you hang out with the songs
the friends you hang out with the songs
the friends you hang out with the songs you like they’re all tied together by a
you like they’re all tied together by a
you like they’re all tied together by a consistent theme there’s one word that
consistent theme there’s one word that
consistent theme there’s one word that defines your whole life and when you
defines your whole life and when you
defines your whole life and when you find that it makes it easier for you to
find that it makes it easier for you to
find that it makes it easier for you to go make important life decisions and
go make important life decisions and
go make important life decisions and where people often get a disconnect is
where people often get a disconnect is
where people often get a disconnect is if they’re working at a company and
if they’re working at a company and
if they’re working at a company and their word is drastically different than
their word is drastically different than
their word is drastically different than what the company’s one word is then
what the company’s one word is then
what the company’s one word is then you’re unhappy there’s a there’s a
you’re unhappy there’s a there’s a
you’re unhappy there’s a there’s a philosophical fundamental disagreement
philosophical fundamental disagreement
philosophical fundamental disagreement like you feel nauseous working there
like you feel nauseous working there
like you feel nauseous working there because but it’s so if you’re if you’re
because but it’s so if you’re if you’re
because but it’s so if you’re if you’re if your word was different you know I
if your word was different you know I
if your word was different you know I like things that are different I have to
like things that are different I have to
like things that are different I have to be different everything I do is
be different everything I do is
be different everything I do is different you know my house is different
different you know my house is different
different you know my house is different I like different movies I’m a little off
I like different movies I’m a little off
I like different movies I’m a little off the wall different and then you’re
the wall different and then you’re
the wall different and then you’re working at a bank whose word isn’t even
working at a bank whose word isn’t even
working at a bank whose word isn’t even close to being different you’re gonna be
close to being different you’re gonna be
close to being different you’re gonna be unhappy even if you’re doing you know
unhappy even if you’re doing you know
unhappy even if you’re doing you know you’re a computer programmer and you
you’re a computer programmer and you
you’re a computer programmer and you love computer programming and you’re
love computer programming and you’re
love computer programming and you’re doing computer for me at the bank you’re
doing computer for me at the bank you’re
doing computer for me at the bank you’re not gonna be happy because your main
not gonna be happy because your main
not gonna be happy because your main value is not aligned with the bank you
value is not aligned with the bank you
value is not aligned with the bank you gotta find out what your one word is and
gotta find out what your one word is and
gotta find out what your one word is and it’s not going to be it may not be the
it’s not going to be it may not be the
it’s not going to be it may not be the exact same one word but it has to be at
exact same one word but it has to be at
exact same one word but it has to be at least a sister word and some companies
least a sister word and some companies
least a sister word and some companies this is a challenge for companies do a
this is a challenge for companies do a
this is a challenge for companies do a better job explaining what your one word
better job explaining what your one word
better job explaining what your one word value is because most values look at the
value is because most values look at the
value is because most values look at the mission statements and the values of
mission statements and the values of
mission statements and the values of companies from both their crack nobody
companies from both their crack nobody
companies from both their crack nobody remembers any of them you try to get the
remembers any of them you try to get the
remembers any of them you try to get the companies to remember what their ten
companies to remember what their ten
companies to remember what their ten values are you go see employees nobody’s
values are you go see employees nobody’s
values are you go see employees nobody’s gonna be able to tell you what it is
gonna be able to tell you what it is
gonna be able to tell you what it is some companies do a good job you look at
some companies do a good job you look at
some companies do a good job you look at 3m 3m is innovation but that’s their one
3m 3m is innovation but that’s their one
3m 3m is innovation but that’s their one word you know if you want to work at 3m
word you know if you want to work at 3m
word you know if you want to work at 3m you got to love innovation and if you
you got to love innovation and if you
you got to love innovation and if you are if you love innovation you do great
are if you love innovation you do great
are if you love innovation you do great at three yeah if you don’t like
at three yeah if you don’t like
at three yeah if you don’t like innovation you know integrative thinker
innovation you know integrative thinker
innovation you know integrative thinker you’re not gonna last long you’re gonna
you’re not gonna last long you’re gonna
you’re not gonna last long you’re gonna hate your job if you’re doing the right
hate your job if you’re doing the right
hate your job if you’re doing the right tasks if you like doing so companies
tasks if you like doing so companies
tasks if you like doing so companies need to do a better job of cutting
need to do a better job of cutting
need to do a better job of cutting through the crap and they’re boring vs
through the crap and they’re boring vs
through the crap and they’re boring vs mission statements and values that don’t
mission statements and values that don’t
mission statements and values that don’t mean anything to anybody and come up
mean anything to anybody and come up
mean anything to anybody and come up with one word that helps to find them
with one word that helps to find them
with one word that helps to find them does that make it easier for your your
does that make it easier for your your
does that make it easier for your your team to be able to come on and say hey
team to be able to come on and say hey
team to be able to come on and say hey I’m totally aligned I’d love this I
I’m totally aligned I’d love this I
I’m totally aligned I’d love this I believe in it too
believe in it too
believe in it too I’m here with you innovation believe
I’m here with you innovation believe
I’m here with you innovation believe whatever it is it makes it so much
whatever it is it makes it so much
whatever it is it makes it so much easier well on that I’ll leave you with
easier well on that I’ll leave you with
easier well on that I’ll leave you with my personal adage and my one word so my
my personal adage and my one word so my
my personal adage and my one word so my adage is this what I’ve lived by it
adage is this what I’ve lived by it
adage is this what I’ve lived by it since I probably turn around eighteen
since I probably turn around eighteen
since I probably turn around eighteen we’re not here to see through each other
we’re not here to see through each other
we’re not here to see through each other we’re here to see each other through and
we’re here to see each other through and
we’re here to see each other through and my one word that encapsulates that is
my one word that encapsulates that is
my one word that encapsulates that is reciprocity nice Oh what I offer to you
reciprocity nice Oh what I offer to you
reciprocity nice Oh what I offer to you is in this exchange for great
is in this exchange for great
is in this exchange for great intelligence and your feedback on what
intelligence and your feedback on what
intelligence and your feedback on what should be or the definitions of job
should be or the definitions of job
should be or the definitions of job career and purpose is what I can do for
career and purpose is what I can do for
career and purpose is what I can do for you to help you whenever you see fit to
you to help you whenever you see fit to
you to help you whenever you see fit to allow me to pay it forward
allow me to pay it forward
allow me to pay it forward ie reciprocity cool yeah I appreciate it
ie reciprocity cool yeah I appreciate it
ie reciprocity cool yeah I appreciate it I appreciate hey I got a question from
I appreciate hey I got a question from
I appreciate hey I got a question from one of the YouTube viewers what do you
one of the YouTube viewers what do you
one of the YouTube viewers what do you think about the 10,000 10,000 hours we
think about the 10,000 10,000 hours we
think about the 10,000 10,000 hours we excellent something I watch a TED talk
excellent something I watch a TED talk
excellent something I watch a TED talk which said you only need 20 hours yeah I
which said you only need 20 hours yeah I
which said you only need 20 hours yeah I although Malcolm is a Canadian like you
although Malcolm is a Canadian like you
although Malcolm is a Canadian like you and I I call BS on that as well you know
and I I call BS on that as well you know
and I I call BS on that as well you know what we’ve seen people pick up the
what we’ve seen people pick up the
what we’ve seen people pick up the violin because it was an innate skill
violin because it was an innate skill
violin because it was an innate skill and all of a sudden they become a
and all of a sudden they become a
and all of a sudden they become a magician we’ve seen people who didn’t
magician we’ve seen people who didn’t
magician we’ve seen people who didn’t know that they could write haiku poetry
know that they could write haiku poetry
know that they could write haiku poetry and next you know they’re pumping out
and next you know they’re pumping out
and next you know they’re pumping out haiku poetry like it’s nobody’s business
haiku poetry like it’s nobody’s business
haiku poetry like it’s nobody’s business sure I think if you want to excel
sure I think if you want to excel
sure I think if you want to excel extremely well at something
extremely well at something
extremely well at something yeah I think practice makes perfect the
yeah I think practice makes perfect the
yeah I think practice makes perfect the old adage but just because you might not
old adage but just because you might not
old adage but just because you might not be a good gardener doesn’t mean that you
be a good gardener doesn’t mean that you
be a good gardener doesn’t mean that you can’t practice it and I don’t think it
can’t practice it and I don’t think it
can’t practice it and I don’t think it necessarily means you need 10,000 hours
necessarily means you need 10,000 hours
necessarily means you need 10,000 hours to be a better gardener I just you know
to be a better gardener I just you know
to be a better gardener I just you know that was marketing for me yeah
that was marketing for me yeah
that was marketing for me yeah well that came that question came from
well that came that question came from
well that came that question came from chef Stevie so Thank You chefs
chef Stevie so Thank You chefs
chef Stevie so Thank You chefs my quick view is you know it really
my quick view is you know it really
my quick view is you know it really depends if you’re passionate about it –
depends if you’re passionate about it –
depends if you’re passionate about it – you love something you’ll learn it
you love something you’ll learn it
you love something you’ll learn it you’ll pick it up a lot faster then if
you’ll pick it up a lot faster then if
you’ll pick it up a lot faster then if you’re just trying to plow through
you’re just trying to plow through
you’re just trying to plow through something that you don’t hate it’s going
something that you don’t hate it’s going
something that you don’t hate it’s going to take you a lot longer
to take you a lot longer
to take you a lot longer precisely anyway Dane when does the book
precisely anyway Dane when does the book
precisely anyway Dane when does the book come out
come out
come out it looks like the spring of 24 no 2015
it looks like the spring of 24 no 2015
it looks like the spring of 24 no 2015 yeah so we’re really looking forward to
yeah so we’re really looking forward to
yeah so we’re really looking forward to it cool well I’m gonna hop another call
it cool well I’m gonna hop another call
it cool well I’m gonna hop another call but thank you so much for the time
but thank you so much for the time
but thank you so much for the time appreciate it and keep me posted with
appreciate it and keep me posted with
appreciate it and keep me posted with the progress hey thanks but I do
the progress hey thanks but I do
the progress hey thanks but I do appreciate it all the best believe buddy
appreciate it all the best believe buddy
appreciate it all the best believe buddy believe all right reciprocity
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