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all right well it’s a better topic than

all right well it’s a better topic than double

double

double what’s that was a better topic than just

what’s that was a better topic than just

what’s that was a better topic than just talking about local government talking

talking about local government talking

talking about local government talking about being I agree okay so we are live

about being I agree okay so we are live

about being I agree okay so we are live um welcome guys to another hangout way

um welcome guys to another hangout way

um welcome guys to another hangout way I’m had Michael Hurwitz with me and he’s

I’m had Michael Hurwitz with me and he’s

I’m had Michael Hurwitz with me and he’s an author on my website and we are

an author on my website and we are

an author on my website and we are talking today about starting a business

talking today about starting a business

talking today about starting a business and running a business with your spouse

and running a business with your spouse

and running a business with your spouse or with your family

or with your family

or with your family um Michael has his own companies had it

um Michael has his own companies had it

um Michael has his own companies had it for awhile and we’re trying to figure

for awhile and we’re trying to figure

for awhile and we’re trying to figure out what what topic might be good to

out what what topic might be good to

out what what topic might be good to discuss today and so that was the one

discuss today and so that was the one

discuss today and so that was the one that came up with so Michael for those

that came up with so Michael for those

that came up with so Michael for those of the viewers who you know aren’t

of the viewers who you know aren’t

of the viewers who you know aren’t familiar with you can you give a quick

familiar with you can you give a quick

familiar with you can you give a quick intro absolutely careers in government

intro absolutely careers in government

intro absolutely careers in government which is like monster or career builder

which is like monster or career builder

which is like monster or career builder but specifically for local government

but specifically for local government

but specifically for local government was actually one of the very first in

was actually one of the very first in

was actually one of the very first in the space it was started in 1996

the space it was started in 1996

the space it was started in 1996 actually by my in-laws and my

actually by my in-laws and my

actually by my in-laws and my father-in-law who’s still a city manager

father-in-law who’s still a city manager

father-in-law who’s still a city manager today but has been a city manager for

today but has been a city manager for

today but has been a city manager for years and years and years and about in

years and years and years and about in

years and years and years and about in the mid 90s at that time when you had a

the mid 90s at that time when you had a

the mid 90s at that time when you had a job posting you would you know basically

job posting you would you know basically

job posting you would you know basically fax off your job posting requirements

fax off your job posting requirements

fax off your job posting requirements and then it was put into a job pamphlet

and then it was put into a job pamphlet

and then it was put into a job pamphlet and then mailed out to local government

and then mailed out to local government

and then mailed out to local government officials and my father-in-law saw as

officials and my father-in-law saw as

officials and my father-in-law saw as well as my mother-in-law saw that you

well as my mother-in-law saw that you

well as my mother-in-law saw that you know there was an opportunity to

know there was an opportunity to

know there was an opportunity to obviously create a job board monster was

obviously create a job board monster was

obviously create a job board monster was just starting at the time and actually

just starting at the time and actually

just starting at the time and actually my wife great story my wife started

my wife great story my wife started

my wife great story my wife started helping out my in-laws and use that

helping out my in-laws and use that

helping out my in-laws and use that experience to become one of the founders

experience to become one of the founders

experience to become one of the founders of hot jobs so she has tremendous

of hot jobs so she has tremendous

of hot jobs so she has tremendous experience in you know that space of the

experience in you know that space of the

experience in you know that space of the job board industry so fast forward when

job board industry so fast forward when

job board industry so fast forward when I started dating my wife you know her

I started dating my wife you know her

I started dating my wife you know her parents were still running it was very

parents were still running it was very

parents were still running it was very successful business but you know they

successful business but you know they

successful business but you know they were at the retirement age I think they

were at the retirement age I think they

were at the retirement age I think they were looking to you know close shop and

were looking to you know close shop and

were looking to you know close shop and right from the get-go our relationship

right from the get-go our relationship

right from the get-go our relationship was all about the business in a good way

was all about the business in a good way

was all about the business in a good way very positive way and so you know we

very positive way and so you know we

very positive way and so you know we started talking about hey maybe we

started talking about hey maybe we

started talking about hey maybe we should take over the business this is

should take over the business this is

should take over the business this is when we were still dating we were I

when we were still dating we were I

when we were still dating we were I think we just I might have proposed but

think we just I might have proposed but

think we just I might have proposed but it was around that time so the business

it was around that time so the business

it was around that time so the business is really part of our

is really part of our

is really part of our our whole family nucleus which is very

our whole family nucleus which is very

our whole family nucleus which is very cool so her in-laws have helped us to

cool so her in-laws have helped us to

cool so her in-laws have helped us to this day grow the business I’ve got my

this day grow the business I’ve got my

this day grow the business I’ve got my wife working with us her sister helps us

wife working with us her sister helps us

wife working with us her sister helps us as well as our staff and everyone else

as well as our staff and everyone else

as well as our staff and everyone else that obviously helped but it’s such a

that obviously helped but it’s such a

that obviously helped but it’s such a unique situation and very rare where you

unique situation and very rare where you

unique situation and very rare where you have a family situation really helping

have a family situation really helping

have a family situation really helping out and you know when you think about it

out and you know when you think about it

out and you know when you think about it that’s how American businesses started

that’s how American businesses started

that’s how American businesses started in the United States it was all about

in the United States it was all about

in the United States it was all about family businesses family farms

family businesses family farms

family businesses family farms everything else I think people kind of

everything else I think people kind of

everything else I think people kind of forgotten that that’s a great way to

forgotten that that’s a great way to

forgotten that that’s a great way to start a business and grow as a couple is

start a business and grow as a couple is

start a business and grow as a couple is having business yeah how long ago is

having business yeah how long ago is

having business yeah how long ago is that when you guys first started this or

that when you guys first started this or

that when you guys first started this or when you guys first started dating yeah

when you guys first started dating yeah

when you guys first started dating yeah we took it over we we’ve been married

we took it over we we’ve been married

we took it over we we’ve been married about three years we took it over about

about three years we took it over about

about three years we took it over about four years the site had never been

four years the site had never been

four years the site had never been updated I mean literally it was like

updated I mean literally it was like

updated I mean literally it was like circa 1996 with the AOL CD ROMs remember

circa 1996 with the AOL CD ROMs remember

circa 1996 with the AOL CD ROMs remember you had to load them in and get your AOL

you had to load them in and get your AOL

you had to load them in and get your AOL internet that’s a site like an AOL

internet that’s a site like an AOL

internet that’s a site like an AOL homepage I mean it was horribly outdated

homepage I mean it was horribly outdated

homepage I mean it was horribly outdated no social media presence no marketing

no social media presence no marketing

no social media presence no marketing effort we took over the business from

effort we took over the business from

effort we took over the business from ground zero and now we have major

ground zero and now we have major

ground zero and now we have major partnerships with some of the largest

partnerships with some of the largest

partnerships with some of the largest government associations in the country

government associations in the country

government associations in the country we’re by far the leader in local

we’re by far the leader in local

we’re by far the leader in local government job boards and more

government job boards and more

government job boards and more importantly we’re very active on social

importantly we’re very active on social

importantly we’re very active on social media with our blog one of the largest

media with our blog one of the largest

media with our blog one of the largest blogs in local government and thanks to

blogs in local government and thanks to

blogs in local government and thanks to you Evan and your organization you’ve

you Evan and your organization you’ve

you Evan and your organization you’ve helped get our message out which is

helped get our message out which is

helped get our message out which is fantastic and we now have more than a

fantastic and we now have more than a

fantastic and we now have more than a hundred writers that contribute to us

hundred writers that contribute to us

hundred writers that contribute to us from government employers and jobseekers

from government employers and jobseekers

from government employers and jobseekers to really you know government thought

to really you know government thought

to really you know government thought leaders who are really kind of creating

leaders who are really kind of creating

leaders who are really kind of creating the next trend of employment in

the next trend of employment in

the next trend of employment in government and we’re trying to bring

government and we’re trying to bring

government and we’re trying to bring that message to as many people as

that message to as many people as

that message to as many people as possible that hey you know what local

possible that hey you know what local

possible that hey you know what local government is a great place to work got

government is a great place to work got

government is a great place to work got hit by the recession and now they’re

hit by the recession and now they’re

hit by the recession and now they’re looking to hire and you’re seeing a lot

looking to hire and you’re seeing a lot

looking to hire and you’re seeing a lot of Millennials looking at you know hey I

of Millennials looking at you know hey I

of Millennials looking at you know hey I want to change the world I want to do

want to change the world I want to do

want to change the world I want to do everything like that I want to be part

everything like that I want to be part

everything like that I want to be part of the community well this is a great

of the community well this is a great

of the community well this is a great way to be a part of the community it’s

way to be a part of the community it’s

way to be a part of the community it’s not about the money always in government

not about the money always in government

not about the money always in government as we know it’s about making a

as we know it’s about making a

as we know it’s about making a difference and at local government you

difference and at local government you

difference and at local government you really can make a difference cool so

really can make a difference cool so

really can make a difference cool so let’s talk about working with your

let’s talk about working with your

let’s talk about working with your working with your spouse you know I

working with your spouse you know I

working with your spouse you know I thought you’ve been a fan of working

thought you’ve been a fan of working

thought you’ve been a fan of working with with friends and family I’ve had

with with friends and family I’ve had

with with friends and family I’ve had great results with it but some people

great results with it but some people

great results with it but some people we’ll say that’s crazy I could never

we’ll say that’s crazy I could never

we’ll say that’s crazy I could never walk my wife I could never work in my

walk my wife I could never work in my

walk my wife I could never work in my in-laws what am i if somebody who’s

in-laws what am i if somebody who’s

in-laws what am i if somebody who’s thinking about that or who’s in that and

thinking about that or who’s in that and

thinking about that or who’s in that and is having some issues

is having some issues

is having some issues I you know I made a list of things it

I you know I made a list of things it

I you know I made a list of things it was funny because I was thinking this

was funny because I was thinking this

was funny because I was thinking this morning like you know what drove my wife

morning like you know what drove my wife

morning like you know what drove my wife Cory and I to work together and what

Cory and I to work together and what

Cory and I to work together and what made it successful and in a lot of ways

made it successful and in a lot of ways

made it successful and in a lot of ways our business relationship is equally as

our business relationship is equally as

our business relationship is equally as successful as our marriage and and what

successful as our marriage and and what

successful as our marriage and and what drives that common goals you know when

drives that common goals you know when

drives that common goals you know when you’re sitting there and you have a

you’re sitting there and you have a

you’re sitting there and you have a business partner that let’s say you just

business partner that let’s say you just

business partner that let’s say you just met a few months ago where he has a

met a few months ago where he has a

met a few months ago where he has a financial investment your company you

financial investment your company you

financial investment your company you don’t know him beyond the parameters of

don’t know him beyond the parameters of

don’t know him beyond the parameters of that initial meeting or that initial

that initial meeting or that initial

that initial meeting or that initial friendship marriage is very different

friendship marriage is very different

friendship marriage is very different you’ve got to rely on your partner if

you’ve got to rely on your partner if

you’ve got to rely on your partner if she doesn’t pull her weight or if you

she doesn’t pull her weight or if you

she doesn’t pull her weight or if you don’t pull your weight you’re gonna hear

don’t pull your weight you’re gonna hear

don’t pull your weight you’re gonna hear about it that night you’re gonna hear

about it that night you’re gonna hear

about it that night you’re gonna hear about that day and you’re gonna see it

about that day and you’re gonna see it

about that day and you’re gonna see it in your bank account so you know it is

in your bank account so you know it is

in your bank account so you know it is all about common goals and you know we

all about common goals and you know we

all about common goals and you know we really sat down and said okay you know

really sat down and said okay you know

really sat down and said okay you know what do we want out of this business

what do we want out of this business

what do we want out of this business what do we want to accomplish what are

what do we want to accomplish what are

what do we want to accomplish what are our short term midterm and long term

our short term midterm and long term

our short term midterm and long term goals and we constantly reevaluate that

goals and we constantly reevaluate that

goals and we constantly reevaluate that so I think that’s one aspect is what’s

so I think that’s one aspect is what’s

so I think that’s one aspect is what’s the common goal you know a lot of people

the common goal you know a lot of people

the common goal you know a lot of people say I want to grow a big business it’s

say I want to grow a big business it’s

say I want to grow a big business it’s not enough you know you got to get down

not enough you know you got to get down

not enough you know you got to get down to the minutia and that’s where

to the minutia and that’s where

to the minutia and that’s where personally for me and I think you hear

personally for me and I think you hear

personally for me and I think you hear this a lot it’s all about delegating

this a lot it’s all about delegating

this a lot it’s all about delegating work there is no way that two people can

work there is no way that two people can

work there is no way that two people can work together on every project so my

work together on every project so my

work together on every project so my wife handles certain tasks I handle

wife handles certain tasks I handle

wife handles certain tasks I handle certain tasks you’re given the you know

certain tasks you’re given the you know

certain tasks you’re given the you know approval where the person is given the

approval where the person is given the

approval where the person is given the authority kind of run with their program

authority kind of run with their program

authority kind of run with their program or run with their department if they

or run with their department if they

or run with their department if they want advice from the spouse they ask for

want advice from the spouse they ask for

want advice from the spouse they ask for it but at the same time the spouse

it but at the same time the spouse

it but at the same time the spouse realizes look they’re in charge of it

realizes look they’re in charge of it

realizes look they’re in charge of it and you have to take a step back and you

and you have to take a step back and you

and you have to take a step back and you have to trust your partner like in

have to trust your partner like in

have to trust your partner like in business but it’s a little harder when

business but it’s a little harder when

business but it’s a little harder when you have an emotional connection you

you have an emotional connection you

you have an emotional connection you know say hey well wait a minute how

know say hey well wait a minute how

know say hey well wait a minute how about we do it this way with your spouse

about we do it this way with your spouse

about we do it this way with your spouse you have to talk about it but then you

you have to talk about it but then you

you have to talk about it but then you have to say you know what she knows best

have to say you know what she knows best

have to say you know what she knows best that’s her area and move forward so

that’s her area and move forward so

that’s her area and move forward so that’s another areas you know delegate

that’s another areas you know delegate

that’s another areas you know delegate and then give kind of that authorship to

and then give kind of that authorship to

and then give kind of that authorship to that task you know separate office

that task you know separate office

that task you know separate office partners in this or somebody we’re not

partners in this or somebody we’re not

partners in this or somebody we’re not we took over the business officially

we took over the business officially

we took over the business officially from her parents and then you know we

from her parents and then you know we

from her parents and then you know we kept on some staff hired new staff and

kept on some staff hired new staff and

kept on some staff hired new staff and changed around but yeah we took over a

changed around but yeah we took over a

changed around but yeah we took over a hundred percent ownership and that’s

hundred percent ownership and that’s

hundred percent ownership and that’s actually a very interesting point

actually a very interesting point

actually a very interesting point because if someone does start a business

because if someone does start a business

because if someone does start a business and they bring in a spouse you gotta

and they bring in a spouse you gotta

and they bring in a spouse you gotta have 50/50 partnership I know some

have 50/50 partnership I know some

have 50/50 partnership I know some people saying well you know I’m the guy

people saying well you know I’m the guy

people saying well you know I’m the guy or the female saying hey you know I

or the female saying hey you know I

or the female saying hey you know I started the business I want the

started the business I want the

started the business I want the ownership in a marriage it’s 50/50

ownership in a marriage it’s 50/50

ownership in a marriage it’s 50/50 whether you like it or not no matter

whether you like it or not no matter

whether you like it or not no matter what someone did more so beforehand or

what someone did more so beforehand or

what someone did more so beforehand or not I mean my wife the reality is it was

not I mean my wife the reality is it was

not I mean my wife the reality is it was her in-laws that helped us start it she

her in-laws that helped us start it she

her in-laws that helped us start it she had the background but if she’d gone in

had the background but if she’d gone in

had the background but if she’d gone in and said hey I want 70% I would have

and said hey I want 70% I would have

and said hey I want 70% I would have been like no sorry so you know you gotta

been like no sorry so you know you gotta

been like no sorry so you know you gotta realize that hey this is a fair

realize that hey this is a fair

realize that hey this is a fair partnership in life and in work you have

partnership in life and in work you have

partnership in life and in work you have to you know you have to have it fair

to you know you have to have it fair

to you know you have to have it fair so in decision-making you know on the

so in decision-making you know on the

so in decision-making you know on the big picture stuff I get to the task you

big picture stuff I get to the task you

big picture stuff I get to the task you know you have your thing she has hers

know you have your thing she has hers

know you have your thing she has hers but what if you disagree on a big

but what if you disagree on a big

but what if you disagree on a big picture issue or like it’s something

picture issue or like it’s something

picture issue or like it’s something that the president would make a decision

that the president would make a decision

that the president would make a decision on how do you handle you know it’s

on how do you handle you know it’s

on how do you handle you know it’s interesting that’s a great topic so you

interesting that’s a great topic so you

interesting that’s a great topic so you know some of that is based on the

know some of that is based on the

know some of that is based on the delegation so with the delegation let’s

delegation so with the delegation let’s

delegation so with the delegation let’s say there is a project that has

say there is a project that has

say there is a project that has significant impact on the business but

significant impact on the business but

significant impact on the business but it’s under you know my authority so to

it’s under you know my authority so to

it’s under you know my authority so to speak or her authority you have to

speak or her authority you have to

speak or her authority you have to really let that person say look okay

really let that person say look okay

really let that person say look okay it’s under your department you know I’ll

it’s under your department you know I’ll

it’s under your department you know I’ll take a step back now if it has

take a step back now if it has

take a step back now if it has significant impact we’ll sit down we’ll

significant impact we’ll sit down we’ll

significant impact we’ll sit down we’ll work it through it will decide hey you

work it through it will decide hey you

work it through it will decide hey you know what this is really important

know what this is really important

know what this is really important enough to where we have to work together

enough to where we have to work together

enough to where we have to work together and make a decision but usually on most

and make a decision but usually on most

and make a decision but usually on most issues you know my wife has authority on

issues you know my wife has authority on

issues you know my wife has authority on her areas I have authority on mine and

her areas I have authority on mine and

her areas I have authority on mine and to be honest I always tell my wife I

to be honest I always tell my wife I

to be honest I always tell my wife I don’t want to worry about her business

don’t want to worry about her business

don’t want to worry about her business you know it’s I’ve got enough to worry

you know it’s I’ve got enough to worry

you know it’s I’ve got enough to worry about I want I know and trust her

about I want I know and trust her

about I want I know and trust her implicitly I want her to run with it if

implicitly I want her to run with it if

implicitly I want her to run with it if it’s a major project she shares it with

it’s a major project she shares it with

it’s a major project she shares it with me and vice versa and then you know it’s

me and vice versa and then you know it’s

me and vice versa and then you know it’s again it’s that kind of balance like in

again it’s that kind of balance like in

again it’s that kind of balance like in marriage sometimes you’re gonna have to

marriage sometimes you’re gonna have to

marriage sometimes you’re gonna have to you know give up the fight for the big

you know give up the fight for the big

you know give up the fight for the big picture and sometimes you got to stand

picture and sometimes you got to stand

picture and sometimes you got to stand strong but you know in marriage is a guy

strong but you know in marriage is a guy

strong but you know in marriage is a guy knows you

knows you

knows you some way when your wife says this is how

some way when your wife says this is how

some way when your wife says this is how that’s all so how’d you guys split up

that’s all so how’d you guys split up

that’s all so how’d you guys split up your rolls what is your department and

your rolls what is your department and

your rolls what is your department and what is hers in your business well you

what is hers in your business well you

what is hers in your business well you know it’s interesting and and that’s

know it’s interesting and and that’s

know it’s interesting and and that’s another thing it’s evolved over time

another thing it’s evolved over time

another thing it’s evolved over time right so in the beginning she oversaw

right so in the beginning she oversaw

right so in the beginning she oversaw all the sales because I came from

all the sales because I came from

all the sales because I came from advertising I used to work in the print

advertising I used to work in the print

advertising I used to work in the print world USA Today Gannett and overseen

world USA Today Gannett and overseen

world USA Today Gannett and overseen their advertising and marketing so I

their advertising and marketing so I

their advertising and marketing so I stayed on with my job as my wife who you

stayed on with my job as my wife who you

stayed on with my job as my wife who you know was running a full-time with our

know was running a full-time with our

know was running a full-time with our staff was kind of taking the you know

staff was kind of taking the you know

staff was kind of taking the you know the bull by the horns and running with

the bull by the horns and running with

the bull by the horns and running with it and dealing with it I was kind of

it and dealing with it I was kind of

it and dealing with it I was kind of sitting on the sidelines you know

sitting on the sidelines you know

sitting on the sidelines you know assisting where I could and so my wife

assisting where I could and so my wife

assisting where I could and so my wife got very comfortable with working with a

got very comfortable with working with a

got very comfortable with working with a lot of the employers so for the single

lot of the employers so for the single

lot of the employers so for the single job postings and job posting packages

job postings and job posting packages

job postings and job posting packages she would handle all that right and as I

she would handle all that right and as I

she would handle all that right and as I started moving in and started developing

started moving in and started developing

started moving in and started developing partnerships with large government

partnerships with large government

partnerships with large government associations like for example we work

associations like for example we work

associations like for example we work with the National Association of

with the National Association of

with the National Association of counties which is the largest National

counties which is the largest National

counties which is the largest National Association of counties in the country

Association of counties in the country

Association of counties in the country were overseeing all their job board

were overseeing all their job board

were overseeing all their job board career efforts and also with IPM a it’s

career efforts and also with IPM a it’s

career efforts and also with IPM a it’s the world’s largest Association of

the world’s largest Association of

the world’s largest Association of Personnel Management for government

Personnel Management for government

Personnel Management for government we’re overseeing their entire job board

we’re overseeing their entire job board

we’re overseeing their entire job board resource Anor career resources blog etc

resource Anor career resources blog etc

resource Anor career resources blog etc so I was bringing in those partnerships

so I was bringing in those partnerships

so I was bringing in those partnerships and she decided you know you continue

and she decided you know you continue

and she decided you know you continue with those partnerships develop that

with those partnerships develop that

with those partnerships develop that angle let me run with this area so a lot

angle let me run with this area so a lot

angle let me run with this area so a lot of it is organic in terms of who handles

of it is organic in terms of who handles

of it is organic in terms of who handles what my wife does the billing on the

what my wife does the billing on the

what my wife does the billing on the company and you know is kind of the CFO

company and you know is kind of the CFO

company and you know is kind of the CFO along with our bookkeepers but I then

along with our bookkeepers but I then

along with our bookkeepers but I then decided hey you know what she’s busy

decided hey you know what she’s busy

decided hey you know what she’s busy with that I’ll handle the the financials

with that I’ll handle the the financials

with that I’ll handle the the financials for the house itself you know and then

for the house itself you know and then

for the house itself you know and then she can handle it so things kind of work

she can handle it so things kind of work

she can handle it so things kind of work out organically and then you build on

out organically and then you build on

out organically and then you build on that and obviously as a person gets more

that and obviously as a person gets more

that and obviously as a person gets more and more experience in their space the

and more experience in their space the

and more experience in their space the other person realizes hey they get it

other person realizes hey they get it

other person realizes hey they get it and I’m so busy here with anything with

and I’m so busy here with anything with

and I’m so busy here with anything with bandwidth it’s all about bandwidth in a

bandwidth it’s all about bandwidth in a

bandwidth it’s all about bandwidth in a rural environment you kind of step back

rural environment you kind of step back

rural environment you kind of step back and say you know what keep growing it

and say you know what keep growing it

and say you know what keep growing it and it kind of organically developed so

and it kind of organically developed so

and it kind of organically developed so now she does all the finances she runs

now she does all the finances she runs

now she does all the finances she runs all the the job posting programs a lot

all the the job posting programs a lot

all the the job posting programs a lot of the sales and I’m doing business

of the sales and I’m doing business

of the sales and I’m doing business development with the government

development with the government

development with the government association so you know it really kind

association so you know it really kind

association so you know it really kind of came up

of came up

of came up naturally and it’s grown from there and

naturally and it’s grown from there and

naturally and it’s grown from there and it’s been quite successful looks awesome

it’s been quite successful looks awesome

it’s been quite successful looks awesome nah yeah um a lot of entreprenuer their

nah yeah um a lot of entreprenuer their

nah yeah um a lot of entreprenuer their wives they have a hard time when they

wives they have a hard time when they

wives they have a hard time when they come home because then you’re still just

come home because then you’re still just

come home because then you’re still just talking business and it’s business 24/7

talking business and it’s business 24/7

talking business and it’s business 24/7 and some people love that but have you

and some people love that but have you

and some people love that but have you created rituals or you know schedules

created rituals or you know schedules

created rituals or you know schedules are so you don’t bring it home all the

are so you don’t bring it home all the

are so you don’t bring it home all the time

time

time oh that’s a great point you know and I

oh that’s a great point you know and I

oh that’s a great point you know and I made a note I said don’t bring work into

made a note I said don’t bring work into

made a note I said don’t bring work into the bedroom literally and that’s part of

the bedroom literally and that’s part of

the bedroom literally and that’s part of the problem is you know we’ll have our

the problem is you know we’ll have our

the problem is you know we’ll have our laptops in bed talking about business

laptops in bed talking about business

laptops in bed talking about business it’s like that’s not where business

it’s like that’s not where business

it’s like that’s not where business should you know be taking place

should you know be taking place

should you know be taking place obviously there’s other rooms to have

obviously there’s other rooms to have

obviously there’s other rooms to have business so it’s very hard

business so it’s very hard

business so it’s very hard my wife is type a I’m type a and you

my wife is type a I’m type a and you

my wife is type a I’m type a and you know if we’re in the car running an air

know if we’re in the car running an air

know if we’re in the car running an air and if we’re you know at our date night

and if we’re you know at our date night

and if we’re you know at our date night we’re talking about business and some of

we’re talking about business and some of

we’re talking about business and some of that is enjoyable some of that obviously

that is enjoyable some of that obviously

that is enjoyable some of that obviously it’s a shared experience but you know

it’s a shared experience but you know

it’s a shared experience but you know it’s hard to separate because that’s

it’s hard to separate because that’s

it’s hard to separate because that’s what you do all day long and I kind of

what you do all day long and I kind of

what you do all day long and I kind of got to the point where I decided you

got to the point where I decided you

got to the point where I decided you know what when I had my other job and

know what when I had my other job and

know what when I had my other job and when Corey was doing another job she

when Corey was doing another job she

when Corey was doing another job she would talk about her work and I would

would talk about her work and I would

would talk about her work and I would still talk about my work so I figured

still talk about my work so I figured

still talk about my work so I figured you know what it’s kind of natural to

you know what it’s kind of natural to

you know what it’s kind of natural to still talk about your work but it is a

still talk about your work but it is a

still talk about your work but it is a it’s a balance and we haven’t set up the

it’s a balance and we haven’t set up the

it’s a balance and we haven’t set up the okay tonight’s date night let’s not talk

okay tonight’s date night let’s not talk

okay tonight’s date night let’s not talk about this because there again is that

about this because there again is that

about this because there again is that kind of organic like hey we’re real busy

kind of organic like hey we’re real busy

kind of organic like hey we’re real busy with business let’s talk about business

with business let’s talk about business

with business let’s talk about business tonight we have some time to catch up on

tonight we have some time to catch up on

tonight we have some time to catch up on things but it does it can impact the

things but it does it can impact the

things but it does it can impact the marriage you know again for us it’s been

marriage you know again for us it’s been

marriage you know again for us it’s been an all positive for other people

an all positive for other people

an all positive for other people business is difficult you’re talking

business is difficult you’re talking

business is difficult you’re talking about negative things so you know one

about negative things so you know one

about negative things so you know one ritual I do have and it’s personal

ritual I do have and it’s personal

ritual I do have and it’s personal ritual but my wife has taken it on is on

ritual but my wife has taken it on is on

ritual but my wife has taken it on is on Fridays we always have kind of the

Fridays we always have kind of the

Fridays we always have kind of the gratitude checklist where we go through

gratitude checklist where we go through

gratitude checklist where we go through and say these the things we’ve

and say these the things we’ve

and say these the things we’ve accomplished this is where we were you

accomplished this is where we were you

accomplished this is where we were you know this is where we were at in January

know this is where we were at in January

know this is where we were at in January this was her Bowl by July we’ve

this was her Bowl by July we’ve

this was her Bowl by July we’ve accomplished it lets you know revel in

accomplished it lets you know revel in

accomplished it lets you know revel in that opportunities they hate we’re doing

that opportunities they hate we’re doing

that opportunities they hate we’re doing things we’re doing things correctly and

things we’re doing things correctly and

things we’re doing things correctly and that is to me I think that’s the

that is to me I think that’s the

that is to me I think that’s the greatest thing you know just taking a

greatest thing you know just taking a

greatest thing you know just taking a step back and saying these are the

step back and saying these are the

step back and saying these are the things we’ve accomplished together Cory

things we’ve accomplished together Cory

things we’ve accomplished together Cory for our business appreciative of that

for our business appreciative of that

for our business appreciative of that and then it allows you to kind of you

and then it allows you to kind of you

and then it allows you to kind of you know gets you that next

know gets you that next

know gets you that next that next wave of energy to accomplish

that next wave of energy to accomplish

that next wave of energy to accomplish what you need to accomplish but always

what you need to accomplish but always

what you need to accomplish but always focusing on what we’ve done right not

focusing on what we’ve done right not

focusing on what we’ve done right not just saying oh you’ve done this wrong or

just saying oh you’ve done this wrong or

just saying oh you’ve done this wrong or I can’t do this right what are we doing

I can’t do this right what are we doing

I can’t do this right what are we doing together correctly and then you know

together correctly and then you know

together correctly and then you know build on that and it builds trust doing

build on that and it builds trust doing

build on that and it builds trust doing that the gratitude Fridays is that how

that the gratitude Fridays is that how

that the gratitude Fridays is that how you start the day and today when you’re

you start the day and today when you’re

you start the day and today when you’re doing I usually fortunately we live

doing I usually fortunately we live

doing I usually fortunately we live close to Malibu right in California so

close to Malibu right in California so

close to Malibu right in California so Malibu is about 20-minute Drive so we

Malibu is about 20-minute Drive so we

Malibu is about 20-minute Drive so we take a Beach Walk Friday afternoon maybe

take a Beach Walk Friday afternoon maybe

take a Beach Walk Friday afternoon maybe late in the day Friday and that’s kind

late in the day Friday and that’s kind

late in the day Friday and that’s kind of our thing

of our thing

of our thing a lot of times if she’s busy I’ll still

a lot of times if she’s busy I’ll still

a lot of times if she’s busy I’ll still do the walk and you just you know 10-15

do the walk and you just you know 10-15

do the walk and you just you know 10-15 minutes thinking about these are the

minutes thinking about these are the

minutes thinking about these are the things I wanted to accomplish when you

things I wanted to accomplish when you

things I wanted to accomplish when you know when I started out this January or

know when I started out this January or

know when I started out this January or you know when Corey and I started the

you know when Corey and I started the

you know when Corey and I started the business together when we were dating

business together when we were dating

business together when we were dating who would have guessed we would have

who would have guessed we would have

who would have guessed we would have accomplished XY and Z and you know when

accomplished XY and Z and you know when

accomplished XY and Z and you know when you take a step back and appreciate that

you take a step back and appreciate that

you take a step back and appreciate that you you do realize the magnitude of what

you you do realize the magnitude of what

you you do realize the magnitude of what you have accomplished and that allows

you have accomplished and that allows

you have accomplished and that allows you to then go on to accomplish that

you to then go on to accomplish that

you to then go on to accomplish that much more because you know if you got

much more because you know if you got

much more because you know if you got from there to here you can get even

from there to here you can get even

from there to here you can get even further

further

further it’s a great I mean whether you’re in

it’s a great I mean whether you’re in

it’s a great I mean whether you’re in the business with your spouse or not

the business with your spouse or not

the business with your spouse or not it’s a great ritual exactly exactly so

it’s a great ritual exactly exactly so

it’s a great ritual exactly exactly so you bought I guess you got it from your

you bought I guess you got it from your

you bought I guess you got it from your in-laws that they still involved are you

in-laws that they still involved are you

in-laws that they still involved are you still working with your in-laws great

still working with your in-laws great

still working with your in-laws great question so you know we don’t have an

question so you know we don’t have an

question so you know we don’t have an official executive board but luckily her

official executive board but luckily her

official executive board but luckily her dad has he’s been in city government for

dad has he’s been in city government for

dad has he’s been in city government for pretty much his whole life right and my

pretty much his whole life right and my

pretty much his whole life right and my wife was actually after she helped sell

wife was actually after she helped sell

wife was actually after she helped sell hot job to Yahoo she continued on as a

hot job to Yahoo she continued on as a

hot job to Yahoo she continued on as a teacher in the school district in Los

teacher in the school district in Los

teacher in the school district in Los Angeles and has more than eight years as

Angeles and has more than eight years as

Angeles and has more than eight years as a schoolteacher so there’s a strong

a schoolteacher so there’s a strong

a schoolteacher so there’s a strong public sector background with my in-laws

public sector background with my in-laws

public sector background with my in-laws and especially her dad is extremely

and especially her dad is extremely

and especially her dad is extremely strategic in his analysis of what works

strategic in his analysis of what works

strategic in his analysis of what works in government he’s very entrepreneurial

in government he’s very entrepreneurial

in government he’s very entrepreneurial you don’t get that a lot of times in

you don’t get that a lot of times in

you don’t get that a lot of times in government but my father was extremely

government but my father was extremely

government but my father was extremely entrepreneurial very forward-thinking

entrepreneurial very forward-thinking

entrepreneurial very forward-thinking and what government can accomplish

and what government can accomplish

and what government can accomplish developing public private partnerships

developing public private partnerships

developing public private partnerships etc so he’s always involved in

etc so he’s always involved in

etc so he’s always involved in high-level strategic meetings a lot of

high-level strategic meetings a lot of

high-level strategic meetings a lot of times if we have major meetings with

times if we have major meetings with

times if we have major meetings with government associations we want to do

government associations we want to do

government associations we want to do some content partnership

some content partnership

some content partnership or job board partnerships he can bring

or job board partnerships he can bring

or job board partnerships he can bring in some advice and the great thing about

in some advice and the great thing about

in some advice and the great thing about working with my father-in-law a he

working with my father-in-law a he

working with my father-in-law a he doesn’t have any financial involvement

doesn’t have any financial involvement

doesn’t have any financial involvement so you know he doesn’t have that tied in

so you know he doesn’t have that tied in

so you know he doesn’t have that tied in secondly he’s retired so he wants to

secondly he’s retired so he wants to

secondly he’s retired so he wants to still be involved he still you know look

still be involved he still you know look

still be involved he still you know look he’s 62 in government that’s like

he’s 62 in government that’s like

he’s 62 in government that’s like starting out because average age in

starting out because average age in

starting out because average age in government is probably about 70 so he

government is probably about 70 so he

government is probably about 70 so he wants to be involved so he enjoys you

wants to be involved so he enjoys you

wants to be involved so he enjoys you know getting involved with us

know getting involved with us

know getting involved with us strategically but then he can step back

strategically but then he can step back

strategically but then he can step back saying hey you know what this isn’t

saying hey you know what this isn’t

saying hey you know what this isn’t gonna affect my bank account I’m just

gonna affect my bank account I’m just

gonna affect my bank account I’m just helping out my son-in-law and my dog and

helping out my son-in-law and my dog and

helping out my son-in-law and my dog and my daughter so this is something that

my daughter so this is something that

my daughter so this is something that you know I’d love to do and he’s been a

you know I’d love to do and he’s been a

you know I’d love to do and he’s been a tremendous resource and of course my

tremendous resource and of course my

tremendous resource and of course my mother-in-law herself started the

mother-in-law herself started the

mother-in-law herself started the business and really ran it from day to

business and really ran it from day to

business and really ran it from day to day so she was instrumental when we

day so she was instrumental when we

day so she was instrumental when we first launched a business and helping us

first launched a business and helping us

first launched a business and helping us say okay you know this is where we were

say okay you know this is where we were

say okay you know this is where we were at four years ago how do you kind of

at four years ago how do you kind of

at four years ago how do you kind of rebrand yourself and market yourself to

rebrand yourself and market yourself to

rebrand yourself and market yourself to the same people that she was dealing

the same people that she was dealing

the same people that she was dealing with and then take it beyond so they’ve

with and then take it beyond so they’ve

with and then take it beyond so they’ve really each played a significant role in

really each played a significant role in

really each played a significant role in the success of our business and you know

the success of our business and you know

the success of our business and you know from where we were three years ago to

from where we were three years ago to

from where we were three years ago to just where we are now it’s beyond our

just where we are now it’s beyond our

just where we are now it’s beyond our wildest expectations has been great it

wildest expectations has been great it

wildest expectations has been great it really has I mean we’re by far the

really has I mean we’re by far the

really has I mean we’re by far the leader in this space and you know we

leader in this space and you know we

leader in this space and you know we didn’t expect it so quickly that’s

didn’t expect it so quickly that’s

didn’t expect it so quickly that’s awesome yeah you know you’re such a

awesome yeah you know you’re such a

awesome yeah you know you’re such a great story and it’s worked out well and

great story and it’s worked out well and

great story and it’s worked out well and everybody’s you know getting along and

everybody’s you know getting along and

everybody’s you know getting along and you’re getting results I’m trying to

you’re getting results I’m trying to

you’re getting results I’m trying to figure out well how can we make this

figure out well how can we make this

figure out well how can we make this more replicable so other entrepreneurs

more replicable so other entrepreneurs

more replicable so other entrepreneurs we’re thinking about working for spouse

we’re thinking about working for spouse

we’re thinking about working for spouse can can do the same thing and I think of

can can do the same thing and I think of

can can do the same thing and I think of a buddy of mine he’s got he’s got a

a buddy of mine he’s got he’s got a

a buddy of mine he’s got he’s got a business it’s you know just crossed a

business it’s you know just crossed a

business it’s you know just crossed a million in sales he’s thinking of

million in sales he’s thinking of

million in sales he’s thinking of bringing on his wife and in the domingos

bringing on his wife and in the domingos

bringing on his wife and in the domingos she’d be great out of his had a hard

she’d be great out of his had a hard

she’d be great out of his had a hard time filling that role but he’s worried

time filling that role but he’s worried

time filling that role but he’s worried about you know that was a single income

about you know that was a single income

about you know that was a single income house and and he worked with his wife

house and and he worked with his wife

house and and he worked with his wife and you know if it doesn’t work out what

and you know if it doesn’t work out what

and you know if it doesn’t work out what you do so is there you know if you’re

you do so is there you know if you’re

you do so is there you know if you’re thinking about it how do you is there

thinking about it how do you is there

thinking about it how do you is there way to test it you know how do you I

way to test it you know how do you I

way to test it you know how do you I don’t know how to get over that fear of

don’t know how to get over that fear of

don’t know how to get over that fear of if it doesn’t work out then you know

if it doesn’t work out then you know

if it doesn’t work out then you know she’s quit her job and now you know it’s

she’s quit her job and now you know it’s

she’s quit her job and now you know it’s not working out what do we do is that

not working out what do we do is that

not working out what do we do is that how do you how do you test it or how do

how do you how do you test it or how do

how do you how do you test it or how do you reduce the risk at the start getting

you reduce the risk at the start getting

you reduce the risk at the start getting into it

into it

into it and then that’s like the million dollar

and then that’s like the million dollar

and then that’s like the million dollar question isn’t it um you know it’s funny

question isn’t it um you know it’s funny

question isn’t it um you know it’s funny there is no way to plan but I should say

there is no way to plan but I should say

there is no way to plan but I should say there is a way to plan but there’s no

there is a way to plan but there’s no

there is a way to plan but there’s no way to know so you know in terms of

way to know so you know in terms of

way to know so you know in terms of planning my wife and I decided you know

planning my wife and I decided you know

planning my wife and I decided you know when we first were growing the business

when we first were growing the business

when we first were growing the business she would be the one to jump in with

she would be the one to jump in with

she would be the one to jump in with both feet right I was continuing my work

both feet right I was continuing my work

both feet right I was continuing my work and you know I would help when I could

and you know I would help when I could

and you know I would help when I could at nights or on weekend she ran a full

at nights or on weekend she ran a full

at nights or on weekend she ran a full time and then we waited to see okay how

time and then we waited to see okay how

time and then we waited to see okay how was the business growing where’s our

was the business growing where’s our

was the business growing where’s our revenue at can we live on this how much

revenue at can we live on this how much

revenue at can we live on this how much do we need to reinvest then once we got

do we need to reinvest then once we got

do we need to reinvest then once we got to the point where it’s like okay

to the point where it’s like okay

to the point where it’s like okay Michael now you can jump into it with

Michael now you can jump into it with

Michael now you can jump into it with both feet even then how much money do we

both feet even then how much money do we

both feet even then how much money do we have in the bank account you know

have in the bank account you know

have in the bank account you know because like you said the big question

because like you said the big question

because like you said the big question is you’re now a single income family you

is you’re now a single income family you

is you’re now a single income family you depend on that business that business is

depend on that business that business is

depend on that business that business is your child and it’s either gonna keep

your child and it’s either gonna keep

your child and it’s either gonna keep the both of you very happy or you got to

the both of you very happy or you got to

the both of you very happy or you got to go back into the private sector which

go back into the private sector which

go back into the private sector which would be miserable right I don’t want to

would be miserable right I don’t want to

would be miserable right I don’t want to work for you know anyone else after

work for you know anyone else after

work for you know anyone else after running the business so it was a lot of

running the business so it was a lot of

running the business so it was a lot of planning going into it

planning going into it

planning going into it and you know we’re very careful with

and you know we’re very careful with

and you know we’re very careful with money this and that but a lot of it is

money this and that but a lot of it is

money this and that but a lot of it is you know just taking that risk at a

you know just taking that risk at a

you know just taking that risk at a certain point it’s like you know what

certain point it’s like you know what

certain point it’s like you know what jump into it I knew my wife the one

jump into it I knew my wife the one

jump into it I knew my wife the one thing that I knew implicitly was she was

thing that I knew implicitly was she was

thing that I knew implicitly was she was such a hustler so hard-working so

such a hustler so hard-working so

such a hustler so hard-working so skillful of what she does

skillful of what she does

skillful of what she does knowledgeable of what she does dedicated

knowledgeable of what she does dedicated

knowledgeable of what she does dedicated to making a success I knew that I

to making a success I knew that I

to making a success I knew that I couldn’t get a better partner I’ve never

couldn’t get a better partner I’ve never

couldn’t get a better partner I’ve never had a better partner both as a wife as

had a better partner both as a wife as

had a better partner both as a wife as well as a business partner and from

well as a business partner and from

well as a business partner and from there I felt comfortable saying you know

there I felt comfortable saying you know

there I felt comfortable saying you know what I’m gonna quit my job in corporate

what I’m gonna quit my job in corporate

what I’m gonna quit my job in corporate America even though you know it was

America even though you know it was

America even though you know it was still growing we you know we’re ready to

still growing we you know we’re ready to

still growing we you know we’re ready to live on the money the whole thing we

live on the money the whole thing we

live on the money the whole thing we were reinvesting that you know at a

were reinvesting that you know at a

were reinvesting that you know at a certain point I got the right partner I

certain point I got the right partner I

certain point I got the right partner I got the right pieces in place now I just

got the right pieces in place now I just

got the right pieces in place now I just I gotta jump into it it may not work but

I gotta jump into it it may not work but

I gotta jump into it it may not work but I got to jump into it and that’s kind of

I got to jump into it and that’s kind of

I got to jump into it and that’s kind of where I was at was okay you know what

where I was at was okay you know what

where I was at was okay you know what we’re gonna jump into this but not

we’re gonna jump into this but not

we’re gonna jump into this but not knowing 100% where it’s gonna go and you

knowing 100% where it’s gonna go and you

knowing 100% where it’s gonna go and you still don’t know you know it’s you know

still don’t know you know it’s you know

still don’t know you know it’s you know how it is that’s the beauty of being an

how it is that’s the beauty of being an

how it is that’s the beauty of being an entrepreneur but I’ll tell you one of

entrepreneur but I’ll tell you one of

entrepreneur but I’ll tell you one of the two of my greatest decisions in life

the two of my greatest decisions in life

the two of my greatest decisions in life one was meeting my wife and marrying her

one was meeting my wife and marrying her

one was meeting my wife and marrying her and the other was going into business

and the other was going into business

and the other was going into business together and it sounds corny but it’s

together and it sounds corny but it’s

together and it sounds corny but it’s the greatest thing

the greatest thing

the greatest thing having your own time your own freedom

having your own time your own freedom

having your own time your own freedom creating your own thing and doing it

creating your own thing and doing it

creating your own thing and doing it with the one you love and making it

with the one you love and making it

with the one you love and making it happen

happen

happen you know good and bad you go through it

you know good and bad you go through it

you know good and bad you go through it that’s what being a couple is all about

that’s what being a couple is all about

that’s what being a couple is all about right it’s about creating a joint goal

right it’s about creating a joint goal

right it’s about creating a joint goal and making it happen and how better can

and making it happen and how better can

and making it happen and how better can you express that than in a business and

you express that than in a business and

you express that than in a business and that’s kind of that to me summarizes

that’s kind of that to me summarizes

that’s kind of that to me summarizes what a marriage is all about is you know

what a marriage is all about is you know

what a marriage is all about is you know starting a business is a great

starting a business is a great

starting a business is a great expression of that marriage and so you

expression of that marriage and so you

expression of that marriage and so you work so you were doing a hard time at

work so you were doing a hard time at

work so you were doing a hard time at the start while still having your your

the start while still having your your

the start while still having your your job you left and put both feet in and so

job you left and put both feet in and so

job you left and put both feet in and so I guess through that part-time

I guess through that part-time

I guess through that part-time experience you can see hey are we

experience you can see hey are we

experience you can see hey are we working together well are we fighting

working together well are we fighting

working together well are we fighting over this isn’t causing you know

over this isn’t causing you know

over this isn’t causing you know detriment to our marriage or is it or is

detriment to our marriage or is it or is

detriment to our marriage or is it or is it helping it grow stronger and for you

it helping it grow stronger and for you

it helping it grow stronger and for you to you know it was strengthened you guys

to you know it was strengthened you guys

to you know it was strengthened you guys about you guys even closer together

about you guys even closer together

about you guys even closer together so maybe there’s having some kind of

so maybe there’s having some kind of

so maybe there’s having some kind of check point or oh yeah while you try

check point or oh yeah while you try

check point or oh yeah while you try part-time evenings or whatever it is and

part-time evenings or whatever it is and

part-time evenings or whatever it is and see you know you have your Friday

see you know you have your Friday

see you know you have your Friday gratitude session and see is this thing

gratitude session and see is this thing

gratitude session and see is this thing for us or not you know I think you hit

for us or not you know I think you hit

for us or not you know I think you hit it right on the head which is you know

it right on the head which is you know

it right on the head which is you know especially to your friend who’s thinking

especially to your friend who’s thinking

especially to your friend who’s thinking about that is almost kind of a pilot

about that is almost kind of a pilot

about that is almost kind of a pilot program in the sense that you know I

program in the sense that you know I

program in the sense that you know I wasn’t completely ready to quit you know

wasn’t completely ready to quit you know

wasn’t completely ready to quit you know the one thing Cory and I do is we jump

the one thing Cory and I do is we jump

the one thing Cory and I do is we jump into things and we test things out you

into things and we test things out you

into things and we test things out you have to you have to take risks as an

have to you have to take risks as an

have to you have to take risks as an entrepreneur but they have to be

entrepreneur but they have to be

entrepreneur but they have to be calculated as much as possible so if

calculated as much as possible so if

calculated as much as possible so if you’re gonna jump into you know a

you’re gonna jump into you know a

you’re gonna jump into you know a marriage situation and then work do a

marriage situation and then work do a

marriage situation and then work do a test pilot program hey you know have

test pilot program hey you know have

test pilot program hey you know have your wife or husband get involved on a

your wife or husband get involved on a

your wife or husband get involved on a specific project see how well you work

specific project see how well you work

specific project see how well you work together see where the conflict points

together see where the conflict points

together see where the conflict points are and work through nothing’s gonna be

are and work through nothing’s gonna be

are and work through nothing’s gonna be perfect obviously that’s just that’s the

perfect obviously that’s just that’s the

perfect obviously that’s just that’s the reality but at least you can know

reality but at least you can know

reality but at least you can know sometimes it wow this is a problem he’s

sometimes it wow this is a problem he’s

sometimes it wow this is a problem he’s not pulling his weight she’s not doing

not pulling his weight she’s not doing

not pulling his weight she’s not doing this and either work through him or not

this and either work through him or not

this and either work through him or not because we knew pretty early on okay we

because we knew pretty early on okay we

because we knew pretty early on okay we get along really well in terms of work

get along really well in terms of work

get along really well in terms of work where we have the same mentality and you

where we have the same mentality and you

where we have the same mentality and you can’t hold grudges

can’t hold grudges

can’t hold grudges you know if it’s someone you know I work

you know if it’s someone you know I work

you know if it’s someone you know I work at Starbucks all the time right I go out

at Starbucks all the time right I go out

at Starbucks all the time right I go out and and I work in different environments

and and I work in different environments

and and I work in different environments depending upon what kind of meetings I

depending upon what kind of meetings I

depending upon what kind of meetings I have for the day or I’m on the road with

have for the day or I’m on the road with

have for the day or I’m on the road with meetings or Cory’s on the road with

meetings or Cory’s on the road with

meetings or Cory’s on the road with meeting but

meeting but

meeting but you know she can work from bed she can

you know she can work from bed she can

you know she can work from bed she can work downstairs she can work it you know

work downstairs she can work it you know

work downstairs she can work it you know wherever she needs to work but you can’t

wherever she needs to work but you can’t

wherever she needs to work but you can’t hold any kind of like well it works for

hold any kind of like well it works for

hold any kind of like well it works for me it should work for you you have to

me it should work for you you have to

me it should work for you you have to accept that they’re doing it because it

accept that they’re doing it because it

accept that they’re doing it because it works for them and then you let them run

works for them and then you let them run

works for them and then you let them run with it and that to me is the most

with it and that to me is the most

with it and that to me is the most important thing it’s just that trust

important thing it’s just that trust

important thing it’s just that trust factor once you trust it’s like be on

factor once you trust it’s like be on

factor once you trust it’s like be on your way do it I know it’s going to

your way do it I know it’s going to

your way do it I know it’s going to happen and then come to me if you have

happen and then come to me if you have

happen and then come to me if you have if you want advice or needed otherwise

if you want advice or needed otherwise

if you want advice or needed otherwise run with it I like the pilot program you

run with it I like the pilot program you

run with it I like the pilot program you date before you get married right so

yeah that’s cool um so you have it you

yeah that’s cool um so you have it you have a team to write your people who

have a team to write your people who

have a team to write your people who were not for you do they have any issues

were not for you do they have any issues

were not for you do they have any issues they you know know who to talk to about

they you know know who to talk to about

they you know know who to talk to about different issues or is it you know

different issues or is it you know

different issues or is it you know whatever department it is you know some

whatever department it is you know some

whatever department it is you know some people talk to you some people talk to

people talk to you some people talk to

people talk to you some people talk to her great question you know that’s

her great question you know that’s

her great question you know that’s another thing too where you know when

another thing too where you know when

another thing too where you know when you’re in the workplace and you have a

you’re in the workplace and you have a

you’re in the workplace and you have a manager sometimes you want to you know

manager sometimes you want to you know

manager sometimes you want to you know show off to your manager you want to you

show off to your manager you want to you

show off to your manager you want to you know highlight why you would be the best

know highlight why you would be the best

know highlight why you would be the best candidate if perhaps the VP’s involved

candidate if perhaps the VP’s involved

candidate if perhaps the VP’s involved you know there’s always some kind of

you know there’s always some kind of

you know there’s always some kind of political angling but if you’re the

political angling but if you’re the

political angling but if you’re the business owner and you have people

business owner and you have people

business owner and you have people reporting if it’s an issue that let’s

reporting if it’s an issue that let’s

reporting if it’s an issue that let’s say my wife has overseen and I’ve maybe

say my wife has overseen and I’ve maybe

say my wife has overseen and I’ve maybe on the conference call I have to

on the conference call I have to

on the conference call I have to acquiesce my wife makes the decision let

acquiesce my wife makes the decision let

acquiesce my wife makes the decision let her rule up because you don’t want to

her rule up because you don’t want to

her rule up because you don’t want to get into a bickering situation you see

get into a bickering situation you see

get into a bickering situation you see it on TV shows all the time where

it on TV shows all the time where

it on TV shows all the time where couples work together and the employees

couples work together and the employees

couples work together and the employees cannot stand it so very clear even on

cannot stand it so very clear even on

cannot stand it so very clear even on before a meeting before we go in any

before a meeting before we go in any

before a meeting before we go in any meeting Corinne I’ll be like okay you

meeting Corinne I’ll be like okay you

meeting Corinne I’ll be like okay you know do you want to run with this

know do you want to run with this

know do you want to run with this meeting it’s your show or this is your

meeting it’s your show or this is your

meeting it’s your show or this is your project I’ll listen in and you can give

project I’ll listen in and you can give

project I’ll listen in and you can give advice or whatever but ultimately you

advice or whatever but ultimately you

advice or whatever but ultimately you know it shows respect to your business

know it shows respect to your business

know it shows respect to your business partner and wife and vice versa

partner and wife and vice versa

partner and wife and vice versa and it also shows respect to your staff

and it also shows respect to your staff

and it also shows respect to your staff because you don’t need to have your

because you don’t need to have your

because you don’t need to have your staff know what’s going on like oh my

staff know what’s going on like oh my

staff know what’s going on like oh my god they had a fight last night and

god they had a fight last night and

god they had a fight last night and they’re bringing it in the workplace

they’re bringing it in the workplace

they’re bringing it in the workplace right Bob you really have to be

right Bob you really have to be

right Bob you really have to be professional and a lot of what we do you

professional and a lot of what we do you

professional and a lot of what we do you know we have interns come in here we

know we have interns come in here we

know we have interns come in here we have a lot of people who are contract we

have a lot of people who are contract we

have a lot of people who are contract we do a lot of you know skyping things like

do a lot of you know skyping things like

do a lot of you know skyping things like that

that

that we’re always on calls and you know

we’re always on calls and you know

we’re always on calls and you know there’s times where I know Cory wants to

there’s times where I know Cory wants to

there’s times where I know Cory wants to beat me in the head and I want to beat

beat me in the head and I want to beat

beat me in the head and I want to beat her in the head and you just have to

her in the head and you just have to

her in the head and you just have to step back and say you know we’re on a

step back and say you know we’re on a

step back and say you know we’re on a business meeting this is professional

business meeting this is professional

business meeting this is professional like in any situation and after the

like in any situation and after the

like in any situation and after the professional manner

professional manner

professional manner so is your staff aligned with that you

so is your staff aligned with that you

so is your staff aligned with that you know you have your staff she has her

know you have your staff she has her

know you have your staff she has her staff or your staff will overlap and you

staff or your staff will overlap and you

staff or your staff will overlap and you make decisions for some of them and

make decisions for some of them and

make decisions for some of them and right how did you structure your team

right how did you structure your team

right how did you structure your team yeah it’s great I mean you know we have

yeah it’s great I mean you know we have

yeah it’s great I mean you know we have we have a social media team and I

we have a social media team and I

we have a social media team and I predominantly oversee that but Cory

predominantly oversee that but Cory

predominantly oversee that but Cory chimes in because Cory is very strong

chimes in because Cory is very strong

chimes in because Cory is very strong and LinkedIn very very strong and

and LinkedIn very very strong and

and LinkedIn very very strong and LinkedIn and actually helps set up our

LinkedIn and actually helps set up our

LinkedIn and actually helps set up our Twitter account to grow I took it over

Twitter account to grow I took it over

Twitter account to grow I took it over about a year ago to grow it even further

about a year ago to grow it even further

about a year ago to grow it even further and get more involved in other social

and get more involved in other social

and get more involved in other social media efforts with government

media efforts with government

media efforts with government associations it’s the same team that we

associations it’s the same team that we

associations it’s the same team that we deal with but now they you know they’ll

deal with but now they you know they’ll

deal with but now they you know they’ll come to me but I you know Cory and I are

come to me but I you know Cory and I are

come to me but I you know Cory and I are very careful about never playing any

very careful about never playing any

very careful about never playing any games with staff it’s immediately like

games with staff it’s immediately like

games with staff it’s immediately like you know what I think Cory handles that

you know what I think Cory handles that

you know what I think Cory handles that talked to Cory if she acquiesces and

talked to Cory if she acquiesces and

talked to Cory if she acquiesces and gives it back to me then call me but

gives it back to me then call me but

gives it back to me then call me but there’s never any kind of underhanded

there’s never any kind of underhanded

there’s never any kind of underhanded yes where you would get that in the

yes where you would get that in the

yes where you would get that in the private sector obviously in corporate

private sector obviously in corporate

private sector obviously in corporate America you do that on purpose here you

America you do that on purpose here you

America you do that on purpose here you have to really work so that you can have

have to really work so that you can have

have to really work so that you can have you know the staff respects my wife the

you know the staff respects my wife the

you know the staff respects my wife the staff respects us and you got to do that

staff respects us and you got to do that

staff respects us and you got to do that by saying look you know what no you

by saying look you know what no you

by saying look you know what no you can’t turn around and say oh yeah Cory

can’t turn around and say oh yeah Cory

can’t turn around and say oh yeah Cory she’s not in charge of that you know

she’s not in charge of that you know

she’s not in charge of that you know just come to me the minute you start

just come to me the minute you start

just come to me the minute you start doing this adapt will sniff it out and

doing this adapt will sniff it out and

doing this adapt will sniff it out and they’ll use it to their advantage

they’ll use it to their advantage

they’ll use it to their advantage obviously and it’ll hurt you in the log

obviously and it’ll hurt you in the log

obviously and it’ll hurt you in the log right how do you guys have do you have

right how do you guys have do you have

right how do you guys have do you have titles of both co-founders or when he

titles of both co-founders or when he

titles of both co-founders or when he took this young paddle she took when she

took this young paddle she took when she

took this young paddle she took when she took the CEO title well because she had

took the CEO title well because she had

took the CEO title well because she had started it I mean in the sense that you

started it I mean in the sense that you

started it I mean in the sense that you know she was taking this full-time while

know she was taking this full-time while

know she was taking this full-time while I was still part-time I took the

I was still part-time I took the

I was still part-time I took the president title

president title

president title we’re both co-founders but when we talk

we’re both co-founders but when we talk

we’re both co-founders but when we talk you know we just it’s not like oh she’s

you know we just it’s not like oh she’s

you know we just it’s not like oh she’s the CEO or the president you know and

the CEO or the president you know and

the CEO or the president you know and when we you know it’s interesting in

when we you know it’s interesting in

when we you know it’s interesting in government too and this is actually

government too and this is actually

government too and this is actually tarred Vanek government is a very

tarred Vanek government is a very

tarred Vanek government is a very close-knit industry it really is it’s

close-knit industry it really is it’s

close-knit industry it really is it’s all about much like the entertainment

all about much like the entertainment

all about much like the entertainment business it’s all about who you know and

business it’s all about who you know and

business it’s all about who you know and people love the fact that we were a

people love the fact that we were a

people love the fact that we were a family-run business when it was

family-run business when it was

family-run business when it was it was started out by my father-in-law

it was started out by my father-in-law

it was started out by my father-in-law who was in government it was taken over

who was in government it was taken over

who was in government it was taken over by my wife who is in the public sector

by my wife who is in the public sector

by my wife who is in the public sector um you know we’re all kind of this

um you know we’re all kind of this

um you know we’re all kind of this family unit and government loves that so

family unit and government loves that so

family unit and government loves that so we use it to our advantage because you

we use it to our advantage because you

we use it to our advantage because you know we really believe in the public

know we really believe in the public

know we really believe in the public sector believe what local government can

sector believe what local government can

sector believe what local government can do and you know it’s one thing for a

do and you know it’s one thing for a

do and you know it’s one thing for a private sector company that just is

private sector company that just is

private sector company that just is trying to break into local government

trying to break into local government

trying to break into local government saying oh I understand your process I

saying oh I understand your process I

saying oh I understand your process I can help local government out versus

can help local government out versus

can help local government out versus someone who says that’s our DNA we are

someone who says that’s our DNA we are

someone who says that’s our DNA we are about local government we understand

about local government we understand

about local government we understand local government and this is how we can

local government and this is how we can

local government and this is how we can help you and that’s been heavily

help you and that’s been heavily

help you and that’s been heavily influential in helping us secure some

influential in helping us secure some

influential in helping us secure some pretty large programs with government

pretty large programs with government

pretty large programs with government association and I think helping us to

association and I think helping us to

association and I think helping us to continue to grow very cool Michael we

continue to grow very cool Michael we

continue to grow very cool Michael we are bumping up against the clock it’s

are bumping up against the clock it’s

are bumping up against the clock it’s been awesome having you on board I think

been awesome having you on board I think

been awesome having you on board I think you should write up on this it’s gonna

you should write up on this it’s gonna

you should write up on this it’s gonna help a lot of entrepreneurs are trying

help a lot of entrepreneurs are trying

help a lot of entrepreneurs are trying to figure this out for those people

to figure this out for those people

to figure this out for those people watching people want to learn more about

watching people want to learn more about

watching people want to learn more about you where can they go to learn more

you where can they go to learn more

you where can they go to learn more obviously the articles of my site but

obviously the articles of my site but

obviously the articles of my site but where else can they find me website

where else can they find me website

where else can they find me website social they can go to careers in

social they can go to careers in

social they can go to careers in government comm they can email me at

government comm they can email me at

government comm they can email me at Michael at careers in government comm

Michael at careers in government comm

Michael at careers in government comm and we’re on Twitter at careers in gov

and we’re on Twitter at careers in gov

and we’re on Twitter at careers in gov and real thank 11 because we love being

and real thank 11 because we love being

and real thank 11 because we love being a partner with you we love what you do

a partner with you we love what you do

a partner with you we love what you do and it’s great talking to you this

and it’s great talking to you this

and it’s great talking to you this half-hour yeah it’s been awesome meeting

half-hour yeah it’s been awesome meeting

half-hour yeah it’s been awesome meeting you thanks so much for joining in

you thanks so much for joining in

you thanks so much for joining in absolutely take care all right Cheers

absolutely take care all right Cheers

absolutely take care all right Cheers okay

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