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Outsource Project – Working with outsourced developers – Ask Evan


hi I’m Evan Carmichael welcome to

hi I’m Evan Carmichael welcome to edition of ask Evan in today’s video I’m

edition of ask Evan in today’s video I’m

edition of ask Evan in today’s video I’m going to answer question from one of my

going to answer question from one of my

going to answer question from one of my readers Jason who’s a newsletter

readers Jason who’s a newsletter

readers Jason who’s a newsletter subscriber and has a tech company he

subscriber and has a tech company he

subscriber and has a tech company he spend a lot of money on outsourced

spend a lot of money on outsourced

spend a lot of money on outsourced development shop to help build this

development shop to help build this

development shop to help build this technology the relationship didn’t go so

technology the relationship didn’t go so

technology the relationship didn’t go so well they stopped producing for him and

well they stopped producing for him and

well they stopped producing for him and now he has an unfinished product is

now he has an unfinished product is

now he has an unfinished product is running out of money doesn’t have enough

running out of money doesn’t have enough

running out of money doesn’t have enough money to hire a local company and one of

money to hire a local company and one of

money to hire a local company and one of my advice on what to do next to get his

my advice on what to do next to get his

my advice on what to do next to get his kind of company going so I really feel

kind of company going so I really feel

kind of company going so I really feel whew that’s a tough situation when you

whew that’s a tough situation when you

whew that’s a tough situation when you don’t have you know the ability to

don’t have you know the ability to

don’t have you know the ability to control your own technology then you’re

control your own technology then you’re

control your own technology then you’re really at the mercy of other people and

really at the mercy of other people and

really at the mercy of other people and that’s tough and whenever you know it’s

that’s tough and whenever you know it’s

that’s tough and whenever you know it’s key people your company leave tues I

key people your company leave tues I

key people your company leave tues I could put you in a tough situation for

could put you in a tough situation for

could put you in a tough situation for you a couple ideas of three options for

you a couple ideas of three options for

you a couple ideas of three options for you that I see first you get outsource

you that I see first you get outsource

you that I see first you get outsource it again and outsourcing can work and I

it again and outsourcing can work and I

it again and outsourcing can work and I do a lot of outsourced with my business

do a lot of outsourced with my business

do a lot of outsourced with my business and it seemed that be very successful

and it seemed that be very successful

and it seemed that be very successful for a lot of entrepreneurs just because

for a lot of entrepreneurs just because

for a lot of entrepreneurs just because it in the work out once doesn’t mean it

it in the work out once doesn’t mean it

it in the work out once doesn’t mean it can’t work out on going a lot of people

can’t work out on going a lot of people

can’t work out on going a lot of people feel the same way about hiring people

feel the same way about hiring people

feel the same way about hiring people with their company they may get burned

with their company they may get burned

with their company they may get burned by the first employee that they bring on

by the first employee that they bring on

by the first employee that they bring on so then the other side I’m never going

so then the other side I’m never going

so then the other side I’m never going to hire anybody again because doesn’t

to hire anybody again because doesn’t

to hire anybody again because doesn’t work well it can work you just have to

work well it can work you just have to

work well it can work you just have to make sure you go through a process to

make sure you go through a process to

make sure you go through a process to get the right people of the right

get the right people of the right

get the right people of the right company on board so for you you can

company on board so for you you can

company on board so for you you can still work you can look at services like

still work you can look at services like

still work you can look at services like owed us to try to find somebody who has

owed us to try to find somebody who has

owed us to try to find somebody who has done it before you can look it they’re

done it before you can look it they’re

done it before you can look it they’re if they’re their feedback from before

if they’re their feedback from before

if they’re their feedback from before how much they’ve made how long you been

how much they’ve made how long you been

how much they’ve made how long you been with odesk com and i’ve used it to get

with odesk com and i’ve used it to get

with odesk com and i’ve used it to get some great people to help me you know

some great people to help me you know

some great people to help me you know outsource my business tasks so a look at

outsource my business tasks so a look at

outsource my business tasks so a look at Odessa as a quick start the other thing

Odessa as a quick start the other thing

Odessa as a quick start the other thing I would do without sourcing is start

I would do without sourcing is start

I would do without sourcing is start with smaller projects so instead of

with smaller projects so instead of

with smaller projects so instead of giving somebody a huge project and run

giving somebody a huge project and run

giving somebody a huge project and run with it and that’s kind of mission

with it and that’s kind of mission

with it and that’s kind of mission critical for you if it doesn’t work out

critical for you if it doesn’t work out

critical for you if it doesn’t work out start on a small scale give them

start on a small scale give them

start on a small scale give them something you know little and see if

something you know little and see if

something you know little and see if they can perform with it and then if

they can perform with it and then if

they can perform with it and then if they do perform then you can slowly give

they do perform then you can slowly give

they do perform then you can slowly give them more and more tasks so that might

them more and more tasks so that might

them more and more tasks so that might help you you know you might be able to

help you you know you might be able to

help you you know you might be able to break down your project into smaller

break down your project into smaller

break down your project into smaller tasks and give it out to different

tasks and give it out to different

tasks and give it out to different people and see who performs the best

people and see who performs the best

people and see who performs the best it’s a little more time consuming

it’s a little more time consuming

it’s a little more time consuming but it helps make sure that you get the

but it helps make sure that you get the

but it helps make sure that you get the right people on board so it’s still an

right people on board so it’s still an

right people on board so it’s still an option option number two is get somebody

option option number two is get somebody

option option number two is get somebody on your company so have somebody join

on your company so have somebody join

on your company so have somebody join your team who has a technology

your team who has a technology

your team who has a technology experience it’s really hard to run a

experience it’s really hard to run a

experience it’s really hard to run a tech company without having any tech

tech company without having any tech

tech company without having any tech experience and within your organization

experience and within your organization

experience and within your organization and depending on what your eventual

and depending on what your eventual

and depending on what your eventual long-term goal is with the business if

long-term goal is with the business if

long-term goal is with the business if you wanted to sell it for example

you wanted to sell it for example

you wanted to sell it for example usually the buyers want to see that you

usually the buyers want to see that you

usually the buyers want to see that you have something in house that they’re

have something in house that they’re

have something in house that they’re they’re buying that not everything has

they’re buying that not everything has

they’re buying that not everything has just been outsourced so it was great for

just been outsourced so it was great for

just been outsourced so it was great for you as well because if you get more

you as well because if you get more

you as well because if you get more ideas of what you want to build with

ideas of what you want to build with

ideas of what you want to build with your company you’ve got somebody you

your company you’ve got somebody you

your company you’ve got somebody you know right next to you who can help you

know right next to you who can help you

know right next to you who can help you build it out so finding the right person

build it out so finding the right person

build it out so finding the right person can be tough you are giving up a piece

can be tough you are giving up a piece

can be tough you are giving up a piece of your company but if you were going up

of your company but if you were going up

of your company but if you were going up to try to raise capital you’re giving up

to try to raise capital you’re giving up

to try to raise capital you’re giving up a piece anyway you want to make sure you

a piece anyway you want to make sure you

a piece anyway you want to make sure you get the right person on board so I don’t

get the right person on board so I don’t

get the right person on board so I don’t there’s anybody who you can think of

there’s anybody who you can think of

there’s anybody who you can think of right now who you’ve done some kind of

right now who you’ve done some kind of

right now who you’ve done some kind of work with before where who comes

work with before where who comes

work with before where who comes referred from somebody else again with

referred from somebody else again with

referred from somebody else again with any kind of partnership you want to make

any kind of partnership you want to make

any kind of partnership you want to make sure you’re starting on a small scale

sure you’re starting on a small scale

sure you’re starting on a small scale let them earn in you know somebody with

let them earn in you know somebody with

let them earn in you know somebody with the tech background may not have money

the tech background may not have money

the tech background may not have money to buy into the business and if it’s

to buy into the business and if it’s

to buy into the business and if it’s still early stage there may not be

still early stage there may not be

still early stage there may not be enough of an evaluation there for them

enough of an evaluation there for them

enough of an evaluation there for them to buy into so it could be their time

to buy into so it could be their time

to buy into so it could be their time coming in so you’ll start on a small

coming in so you’ll start on a small

coming in so you’ll start on a small scale let them earn their way in let

scale let them earn their way in let

scale let them earn their way in let them show themselves that they can they

them show themselves that they can they

them show themselves that they can they can you know prove to be an asset to

can you know prove to be an asset to

can you know prove to be an asset to your business and that you both like

your business and that you both like

your business and that you both like working with each other because it is

working with each other because it is

working with each other because it is like getting married getting a partner

like getting married getting a partner

like getting married getting a partner with your business so give them

with your business so give them

with your business so give them milestones so they you know accomplish

milestones so they you know accomplish

milestones so they you know accomplish something to get two percent and then

something to get two percent and then

something to get two percent and then five percent and ten percent and until

five percent and ten percent and until

five percent and ten percent and until whatever goal eventually you want to get

whatever goal eventually you want to get

whatever goal eventually you want to get to I make sure you have really good

to I make sure you have really good

to I make sure you have really good shareholds agreements of that there’s a

shareholds agreements of that there’s a

shareholds agreements of that there’s a shotgun agreement in there that you can

shotgun agreement in there that you can

shotgun agreement in there that you can you know spy each other out if the

you know spy each other out if the

you know spy each other out if the relationship doesn’t go very well but

relationship doesn’t go very well but

relationship doesn’t go very well but hopefully you’ve tested the beginning

hopefully you’ve tested the beginning

hopefully you’ve tested the beginning and you don’t get to the point where

and you don’t get to the point where

and you don’t get to the point where you’re you know buying each other out so

you’re you know buying each other out so

you’re you know buying each other out so that’s the second option the third

that’s the second option the third

that’s the second option the third option is you can go up raise capital so

option is you can go up raise capital so

option is you can go up raise capital so you could say you know we need another

you could say you know we need another

you could say you know we need another you know X thousands of dollars people

you know X thousands of dollars people

you know X thousands of dollars people to finish up this project go find an

to finish up this project go find an

to finish up this project go find an angel investor give up a percentage of

angel investor give up a percentage of

angel investor give up a percentage of your business the challenge here is if

your business the challenge here is if

your business the challenge here is if you’re pre-sales if you haven’t finished

you’re pre-sales if you haven’t finished

you’re pre-sales if you haven’t finished your actual product and you’re still in

your actual product and you’re still in

your actual product and you’re still in kind of the research and development

kind of the research and development

kind of the research and development mode

mode

mode really hard to raise money and the money

really hard to raise money and the money

really hard to raise money and the money that you raised you’ll get really killed

that you raised you’ll get really killed

that you raised you’ll get really killed on the valuation so if you had some

on the valuation so if you had some

on the valuation so if you had some sales you had some momentum then you get

sales you had some momentum then you get

sales you had some momentum then you get a much better price you don’t have to

a much better price you don’t have to

a much better price you don’t have to give as much equity up in return for the

give as much equity up in return for the

give as much equity up in return for the the money that you’re giving away if you

the money that you’re giving away if you

the money that you’re giving away if you want to try to mitigate that risk a

want to try to mitigate that risk a

want to try to mitigate that risk a little bit what you can do is put it in

little bit what you can do is put it in

little bit what you can do is put it in stages so you can say i need $100,000

stages so you can say i need $100,000

stages so you can say i need $100,000 say for the business I need you know

say for the business I need you know

say for the business I need you know twenty five thousand dollars up front

twenty five thousand dollars up front

twenty five thousand dollars up front and it’s going to be a certain valuation

and it’s going to be a certain valuation

and it’s going to be a certain valuation and then we’re going to go out and try

and then we’re going to go out and try

and then we’re going to go out and try to hit these milestones so we’re going

to hit these milestones so we’re going

to hit these milestones so we’re going to you know make X number of sales when

to you know make X number of sales when

to you know make X number of sales when we do that we need another twenty-five

we do that we need another twenty-five

we do that we need another twenty-five thousand dollars but at a better

thousand dollars but at a better

thousand dollars but at a better valuation and then you go and hit more

valuation and then you go and hit more

valuation and then you go and hit more milestones and you get the last fifty

milestones and you get the last fifty

milestones and you get the last fifty thousand dollars a much better valuation

thousand dollars a much better valuation

thousand dollars a much better valuation so you negotiate that up front so that

so you negotiate that up front so that

so you negotiate that up front so that as you grow with your business you’re

as you grow with your business you’re

as you grow with your business you’re getting more money coming in from the

getting more money coming in from the

getting more money coming in from the investor but a better evaluation then if

investor but a better evaluation then if

investor but a better evaluation then if you need everything up front so I don’t

you need everything up front so I don’t

you need everything up front so I don’t know how much you need maybe one hundred

know how much you need maybe one hundred

know how much you need maybe one hundred thousand dollars maybe it’s ten thousand

thousand dollars maybe it’s ten thousand

thousand dollars maybe it’s ten thousand dollars maybe it’s half a million

dollars maybe it’s half a million

dollars maybe it’s half a million dollars whatever it is you can phase it

dollars whatever it is you can phase it

dollars whatever it is you can phase it out with an investor so that you’re not

out with an investor so that you’re not

out with an investor so that you’re not getting all the money up front but you

getting all the money up front but you

getting all the money up front but you know you’re also getting much better

know you’re also getting much better

know you’re also getting much better valuation so hopefully that helps I

valuation so hopefully that helps I

valuation so hopefully that helps I think your best bet is still to try to

think your best bet is still to try to

think your best bet is still to try to go the outsourcing route at the start

go the outsourcing route at the start

go the outsourcing route at the start and try to piece it off in the little

and try to piece it off in the little

and try to piece it off in the little projects and find somebody who you can

projects and find somebody who you can

projects and find somebody who you can work with longer-term solution try to

work with longer-term solution try to

work with longer-term solution try to find somebody local who might be able to

find somebody local who might be able to

find somebody local who might be able to take an equity position in the company

take an equity position in the company

take an equity position in the company has a vested interest wants to make it

has a vested interest wants to make it

has a vested interest wants to make it work and you have somebody sitting next

work and you have somebody sitting next

work and you have somebody sitting next to you who knows motivated to want to

to you who knows motivated to want to

to you who knows motivated to want to keep growing this product and as you get

keep growing this product and as you get

keep growing this product and as you get more ideas you have somebody who you can

more ideas you have somebody who you can

more ideas you have somebody who you can turn to and they you know really want to

turn to and they you know really want to

turn to and they you know really want to see it succeed and last options go out

see it succeed and last options go out

see it succeed and last options go out and try to find an investor just try not

and try to find an investor just try not

and try to find an investor just try not to get to kill an evaluation by spacing

to get to kill an evaluation by spacing

to get to kill an evaluation by spacing up the payment periods hopefully that

up the payment periods hopefully that

up the payment periods hopefully that helps for those watching if you liked

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