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How to hire people with NO MONEY – Evan & @SKellyCEO


okay Michael how do I persuade a

okay Michael how do I persuade a developer to code for me even though I

developer to code for me even though I

developer to code for me even though I do not have much money since I’m a

do not have much money since I’m a

do not have much money since I’m a student with a lot of student

student with a lot of student

student with a lot of student entrepreneurs here I love that no I’m

entrepreneurs here I love that no I’m

entrepreneurs here I love that no I’m and a couple of gigs we started we got

and a couple of gigs we started we got

and a couple of gigs we started we got people actually one of the companies i

people actually one of the companies i

people actually one of the companies i went to another style of california

went to another style of california

went to another style of california startup this is a long time ago about 18

startup this is a long time ago about 18

startup this is a long time ago about 18 years ago we kind of work for nothing

years ago we kind of work for nothing

years ago we kind of work for nothing for a while did run ourselves on fumes

for a while did run ourselves on fumes

for a while did run ourselves on fumes but boy it makes you really hustle but

but boy it makes you really hustle but

but boy it makes you really hustle but we we got basically I one of the guys

we we got basically I one of the guys

we we got basically I one of the guys when we took a mom we said with Trey

when we took a mom we said with Trey

when we took a mom we said with Trey kind of cash for equity and we gave Miss

kind of cash for equity and we gave Miss

kind of cash for equity and we gave Miss very small percentage in terms of the

very small percentage in terms of the

very small percentage in terms of the company so there’s loads of things you

company so there’s loads of things you

company so there’s loads of things you can do and again I think if you’re right

can do and again I think if you’re right

can do and again I think if you’re right at the start of a product with these

at the start of a product with these

at the start of a product with these lilies you’ve got to avoid boiling the

lilies you’ve got to avoid boiling the

lilies you’ve got to avoid boiling the ocean you just gotta start small and

ocean you just gotta start small and

ocean you just gotta start small and then when you got something works scale

then when you got something works scale

then when you got something works scale it up so so my question for you if

it up so so my question for you if

it up so so my question for you if you’re going to code a product and

you’re going to code a product and

you’re going to code a product and you’re going to build some technology

you’re going to build some technology

you’re going to build some technology build an app whatever it might be kind

build an app whatever it might be kind

build an app whatever it might be kind of what’s the minimum viable product

of what’s the minimum viable product

of what’s the minimum viable product that you need to build and these days

that you need to build and these days

that you need to build and these days with technology hopefully build that in

with technology hopefully build that in

with technology hopefully build that in less than a couple of weeks but I reckon

less than a couple of weeks but I reckon

less than a couple of weeks but I reckon for a couple of weeks coding someone’s

for a couple of weeks coding someone’s

for a couple of weeks coding someone’s likely to work for free and there’s

likely to work for free and there’s

likely to work for free and there’s loads of things you can do you can do

loads of things you can do you can do

loads of things you can do you can do the third earnings you know and you

the third earnings you know and you

the third earnings you know and you could say lock it to the company’s

could say lock it to the company’s

could say lock it to the company’s success you could give them a small

success you could give them a small

success you could give them a small portion of equity says loads of creative

portion of equity says loads of creative

portion of equity says loads of creative things you can do but also you know

things you can do but also you know

things you can do but also you know obviously if you give people money

obviously if you give people money

obviously if you give people money ironic and this is sad about human

ironic and this is sad about human

ironic and this is sad about human nature they tend to switch off from the

nature they tend to switch off from the

nature they tend to switch off from the mission if you actually say you know if

mission if you actually say you know if

mission if you actually say you know if we land on the moon together we take

we land on the moon together we take

we land on the moon together we take some moon shots and everybody’s kind of

some moon shots and everybody’s kind of

some moon shots and everybody’s kind of got skin in the game it really drives a

got skin in the game it really drives a

got skin in the game it really drives a great culture and it keeps some keen as

great culture and it keeps some keen as

great culture and it keeps some keen as mustard to really bit on the company

mustard to really bit on the company

mustard to really bit on the company success and also the only other thing of

success and also the only other thing of

success and also the only other thing of college students I know you know if you

college students I know you know if you

college students I know you know if you build an app you reckon you can build it

build an app you reckon you can build it

build an app you reckon you can build it out of it three days it always takes a

out of it three days it always takes a

out of it three days it always takes a bit longer than you think so what you

bit longer than you think so what you

bit longer than you think so what you need to do is keep keep that I’m solar

need to do is keep keep that I’m solar

need to do is keep keep that I’m solar student really focused on delivering the

student really focused on delivering the

student really focused on delivering the Minimum Viable Product and getting

Minimum Viable Product and getting

Minimum Viable Product and getting something that hands of customers so

something that hands of customers so

something that hands of customers so they can road test it

they can road test it

they can road test it and then you’ll validate whether you got

and then you’ll validate whether you got

and then you’ll validate whether you got a business and then then you can share

a business and then then you can share

a business and then then you can share it but I think they finally out says

it but I think they finally out says

it but I think they finally out says we’ll all these things just got to be

we’ll all these things just got to be

we’ll all these things just got to be honest with because this guy could be a

honest with because this guy could be a

honest with because this guy could be a potential coworker if he does a great

potential coworker if he does a great

potential coworker if he does a great job code in your app do you want it to

job code in your app do you want it to

job code in your app do you want it to be your first employee so how do you

be your first employee so how do you

be your first employee so how do you think about him being you know

think about him being you know

think about him being you know effectively a co-founder of the company

effectively a co-founder of the company

effectively a co-founder of the company and being on the management team maybe

and being on the management team maybe

and being on the management team maybe it’s not the guy may be easily best

it’s not the guy may be easily best

it’s not the guy may be easily best techie and he’s coding for you so you

techie and he’s coding for you so you

techie and he’s coding for you so you need to kind of think of it head of how

need to kind of think of it head of how

need to kind of think of it head of how the movie might play out but I also

the movie might play out but I also

the movie might play out but I also think you owe it to that individual to

think you owe it to that individual to

think you owe it to that individual to share with them and be honest with them

share with them and be honest with them

share with them and be honest with them and transparent with them you haven’t

and transparent with them you haven’t

and transparent with them you haven’t got you know you’re not kind of Warren

got you know you’re not kind of Warren

got you know you’re not kind of Warren Buffett yeah you’re a student you’ve got

Buffett yeah you’re a student you’ve got

Buffett yeah you’re a student you’ve got a dream you you wanted to be part of it

a dream you you wanted to be part of it

a dream you you wanted to be part of it selling the story if he believes in the

selling the story if he believes in the

selling the story if he believes in the story he’ll cut that LLL cut code for

story he’ll cut that LLL cut code for

story he’ll cut that LLL cut code for you yeah I mean the only thing I agree

you yeah I mean the only thing I agree

you yeah I mean the only thing I agree with everything Steven saying the only

with everything Steven saying the only

with everything Steven saying the only thing I would add is if you want to be a

thing I would add is if you want to be a

thing I would add is if you want to be a tech company you need to have tech

tech company you need to have tech

tech company you need to have tech leadership in your team you can’t be a

leadership in your team you can’t be a

leadership in your team you can’t be a successful app company like if you’re so

successful app company like if you’re so

successful app company like if you’re so you’re not a coder you want to run a nap

you’re not a coder you want to run a nap

you’re not a coder you want to run a nap great you can’t just have somebody who

great you can’t just have somebody who

great you can’t just have somebody who you hire and then you know does

you hire and then you know does

you hire and then you know does occasional maintenance on it if you want

occasional maintenance on it if you want

occasional maintenance on it if you want to be a successful app company you need

to be a successful app company you need

to be a successful app company you need to have somebody who cares just as

to have somebody who cares just as

to have somebody who cares just as deeply as you do about the business and

deeply as you do about the business and

deeply as you do about the business and as part of the company so you need a

as part of the company so you need a

as part of the company so you need a co-founder and that’s not a decision

co-founder and that’s not a decision

co-founder and that’s not a decision that you just take lightly you don’t

that you just take lightly you don’t

that you just take lightly you don’t just enter into business with somebody

just enter into business with somebody

just enter into business with somebody and like the values are super important

and like the values are super important

and like the values are super important to not just a skill set but I wouldn’t

to not just a skill set but I wouldn’t

to not just a skill set but I wouldn’t if you treat this just as I can hire

if you treat this just as I can hire

if you treat this just as I can hire somebody and you know when I need them

somebody and you know when I need them

somebody and you know when I need them on I’ll bring them on that is not the

on I’ll bring them on that is not the

on I’ll bring them on that is not the way to build a successful tech company

way to build a successful tech company

way to build a successful tech company if you don’t know how to do the tech

if you don’t know how to do the tech

if you don’t know how to do the tech yourself you need somebody who’s just as

yourself you need somebody who’s just as

yourself you need somebody who’s just as committed to doing this and build that

committed to doing this and build that

committed to doing this and build that company if you do the business item they

company if you do the business item they

company if you do the business item they do the tack but if you want to make it

do the tack but if you want to make it

do the tack but if you want to make it big you got like look at every

big you got like look at every

big you got like look at every successful tech company one of the

successful tech company one of the

successful tech company one of the co-founders knew the tech you need

co-founders knew the tech you need

co-founders knew the tech you need somebody on your on your team who’s

somebody on your on your team who’s

somebody on your on your team who’s deeply committed who understands attack

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