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#Fantasy Strategy Sesh (ft. @thisismuch #13)


and we are live welcome everybody to

and we are live welcome everybody to another google hangout super excited to

another google hangout super excited to

another google hangout super excited to be back here with you another fun day of

be back here with you another fun day of

be back here with you another fun day of hang us about the begin and we started

hang us about the begin and we started

hang us about the begin and we started off with Jen the fantasy copywriter you

off with Jen the fantasy copywriter you

off with Jen the fantasy copywriter you can look her up at this is much Jen

can look her up at this is much Jen

can look her up at this is much Jen welcome back thank you so much it’s good

welcome back thank you so much it’s good

welcome back thank you so much it’s good to be here your I love the energy it’s

to be here your I love the energy it’s

to be here your I love the energy it’s grade the big smile on it’s good yeah

grade the big smile on it’s good yeah

grade the big smile on it’s good yeah you too I was just thinking that so

you too I was just thinking that so

you too I was just thinking that so what’s the update I mean for people

what’s the update I mean for people

what’s the update I mean for people watching it guess we’ve been if its

watching it guess we’ve been if its

watching it guess we’ve been if its first time watching this series it’s

first time watching this series it’s

first time watching this series it’s about helping jen build the copywriting

about helping jen build the copywriting

about helping jen build the copywriting business around her one word which is

business around her one word which is

business around her one word which is fantasy and we’ve been kind of monthly

fantasy and we’ve been kind of monthly

fantasy and we’ve been kind of monthly doing updates and seeing how she’s doing

doing updates and seeing how she’s doing

doing updates and seeing how she’s doing and helping her along so how are we

and helping her along so how are we

and helping her along so how are we doing and happy to help you along yeah

doing and happy to help you along yeah

doing and happy to help you along yeah things are going really good um i had a

things are going really good um i had a

things are going really good um i had a really awesome month last month got new

really awesome month last month got new

really awesome month last month got new three new clients which was really

three new clients which was really

three new clients which was really awesome one of them might be long term

awesome one of them might be long term

awesome one of them might be long term instead of just a project-by-project

instead of just a project-by-project

instead of just a project-by-project basis which is fantastic um and I I

basis which is fantastic um and I I

basis which is fantastic um and I I think a big part of it has been i know i

think a big part of it has been i know i

think a big part of it has been i know i keep talking about celebration it’s kind

keep talking about celebration it’s kind

keep talking about celebration it’s kind of been my theme this year and i really

of been my theme this year and i really

of been my theme this year and i really think that’s helped me out a ton and so

think that’s helped me out a ton and so

think that’s helped me out a ton and so I decided to in the next couple months

I decided to in the next couple months

I decided to in the next couple months create a free course for people to learn

create a free course for people to learn

create a free course for people to learn how to celebrate their business I know

how to celebrate their business I know

how to celebrate their business I know I’ve talked about it on blabs with Rishi

I’ve talked about it on blabs with Rishi

I’ve talked about it on blabs with Rishi and talk about with you and you know

and talk about with you and you know

and talk about with you and you know celebrating you know when you got your

celebrating you know when you got your

celebrating you know when you got your hook off to your publisher and you know

hook off to your publisher and you know

hook off to your publisher and you know all kinds of fun stuff so um anyway I

all kinds of fun stuff so um anyway I

all kinds of fun stuff so um anyway I want to see what I can do to give back

want to see what I can do to give back

want to see what I can do to give back to other people as well as continue

to other people as well as continue

to other people as well as continue doing my copywriting business so and the

doing my copywriting business so and the

doing my copywriting business so and the other thing that I’ve been doing which

other thing that I’ve been doing which

other thing that I’ve been doing which is I think really been huge for me is

is I think really been huge for me is

is I think really been huge for me is I’ve been kind of changing my strategy

I’ve been kind of changing my strategy

I’ve been kind of changing my strategy of my videos and like once a week I do a

of my videos and like once a week I do a

of my videos and like once a week I do a really good solid um video that really

really good solid um video that really

really good solid um video that really helps people with copywriting at least

helps people with copywriting at least

helps people with copywriting at least I’ve been trying to do at least one a

I’ve been trying to do at least one a

I’ve been trying to do at least one a week if not every other week um around

week if not every other week um around

week if not every other week um around like some good tutorial like some good

like some good tutorial like some good

like some good tutorial like some good meaty information for people and one of

meaty information for people and one of

meaty information for people and one of the first ones I got a lot of feedback

the first ones I got a lot of feedback

the first ones I got a lot of feedback was I wrote what I did one on how to

was I wrote what I did one on how to

was I wrote what I did one on how to write an about page and it was probably

write an about page and it was probably

write an about page and it was probably one of the most like quickest um you

one of the most like quickest um you

one of the most like quickest um you know amount of people watch you know

know amount of people watch you know

know amount of people watch you know higher amount of people watch it i pick

higher amount of people watch it i pick

higher amount of people watch it i pick up slope in a quick amount of time

up slope in a quick amount of time

up slope in a quick amount of time and so that would actually gave me like

and so that would actually gave me like

and so that would actually gave me like sort of a clue that I was obviously

sort of a clue that I was obviously

sort of a clue that I was obviously valuable for people and so I created a

valuable for people and so I created a

valuable for people and so I created a workshop from that and I did it work

workshop from that and I did it work

workshop from that and I did it work shop here locally in Portland and then

shop here locally in Portland and then

shop here locally in Portland and then that got me one of my new clients so

that got me one of my new clients so

that got me one of my new clients so obviously it was really successful so

obviously it was really successful so

obviously it was really successful so there’s a lot in there that’s

there’s a lot in there that’s

there’s a lot in there that’s interesting I like it the first thing

interesting I like it the first thing

interesting I like it the first thing that I’m thinking of is one uh could you

that I’m thinking of is one uh could you

that I’m thinking of is one uh could you structure the business of that the

structure the business of that the

structure the business of that the ongoing work is a part of what you do so

ongoing work is a part of what you do so

ongoing work is a part of what you do so it’s part of your business model and

it’s part of your business model and

it’s part of your business model and that like you are booking off instead of

that like you are booking off instead of

that like you are booking off instead of just saying hey hire me to write your

just saying hey hire me to write your

just saying hey hire me to write your about page it’s it’s like part of the

about page it’s it’s like part of the

about page it’s it’s like part of the sales process is that they’re gonna

sales process is that they’re gonna

sales process is that they’re gonna they’re gonna be with you and that’s

they’re gonna be with you and that’s

they’re gonna be with you and that’s your business models like am I will work

your business models like am I will work

your business models like am I will work for you for five hours a week on all

for you for five hours a week on all

for you for five hours a week on all your copywriting needs or whatever it is

your copywriting needs or whatever it is

your copywriting needs or whatever it is yeah so that you have that more built-in

yeah so that you have that more built-in

yeah so that you have that more built-in it’s like I think okay so our first

it’s like I think okay so our first

it’s like I think okay so our first project will be writing the about page I

project will be writing the about page I

project will be writing the about page I think it’ll take us 10 hours to do it or

think it’ll take us 10 hours to do it or

think it’ll take us 10 hours to do it or whatever it is so you get it done in two

whatever it is so you get it done in two

whatever it is so you get it done in two weeks but then it’s is it’s built in to

weeks but then it’s is it’s built in to

weeks but then it’s is it’s built in to your process that that’s the business

your process that that’s the business

your process that that’s the business model and then it’s up to them to kind

model and then it’s up to them to kind

model and then it’s up to them to kind of step out of that if they don’t like

of step out of that if they don’t like

of step out of that if they don’t like it yeah I like that idea I’ve never

it yeah I like that idea I’ve never

it yeah I like that idea I’ve never thought about that sort of an ongoing

thought about that sort of an ongoing

thought about that sort of an ongoing smellman hours uh that’s a cool idea

smellman hours uh that’s a cool idea

smellman hours uh that’s a cool idea that would help me for continuing

that would help me for continuing

that would help me for continuing relationship with people i’m doing

relationship with people i’m doing

relationship with people i’m doing long-term business and rather than

long-term business and rather than

long-term business and rather than having to always get new clients all the

having to always get new clients all the

having to always get new clients all the time right and it may be on you to also

time right and it may be on you to also

time right and it may be on you to also come up with what they should work on

come up with what they should work on

come up with what they should work on next so somebody’s hiring you do the

next so somebody’s hiring you do the

next so somebody’s hiring you do the about page great okay well you know look

about page great okay well you know look

about page great okay well you know look at your product description page and

at your product description page and

at your product description page and look at your home page and look at your

look at your home page and look at your

look at your home page and look at your newsletter and like all of this stuff

newsletter and like all of this stuff

newsletter and like all of this stuff needs to have better copy in if they

needs to have better copy in if they

needs to have better copy in if they understand their pain points then it’s

understand their pain points then it’s

understand their pain points then it’s then it’s just a matter of like

then it’s just a matter of like

then it’s just a matter of like prioritizing okay but we need to get it

prioritizing okay but we need to get it

prioritizing okay but we need to get it all done what am i working on next week

all done what am i working on next week

all done what am i working on next week right I like that idea i think that’s

right I like that idea i think that’s

right I like that idea i think that’s one of the reasons why the UH the

one of the reasons why the UH the

one of the reasons why the UH the workshop did so well is because she you

workshop did so well is because she you

workshop did so well is because she you know she came to kind of learn from me

know she came to kind of learn from me

know she came to kind of learn from me how to write a bat page because she had

how to write a bat page because she had

how to write a bat page because she had a need for it she wanted to do it for an

a need for it she wanted to do it for an

a need for it she wanted to do it for an event she was going to and by the time

event she was going to and by the time

event she was going to and by the time we were done she was kind of like I

we were done she was kind of like I

we were done she was kind of like I brother

brother

brother have you do this my for me you know so

have you do this my for me you know so

have you do this my for me you know so um it kind of highlighted to her I think

um it kind of highlighted to her I think

um it kind of highlighted to her I think you know the detailed process that it

you know the detailed process that it

you know the detailed process that it would take that she wasn’t wanting to do

would take that she wasn’t wanting to do

would take that she wasn’t wanting to do but also like how important it was so if

but also like how important it was so if

but also like how important it was so if I kind of went over other projects that

I kind of went over other projects that

I kind of went over other projects that could be next I like that idea um cuz he

could be next I like that idea um cuz he

could be next I like that idea um cuz he have the same thing happened I when I

have the same thing happened I when I

have the same thing happened I when I did a blab with Jason I mean he was like

did a blab with Jason I mean he was like

did a blab with Jason I mean he was like um that’s awesome for you just do it for

um that’s awesome for you just do it for

um that’s awesome for you just do it for me so I mean obviously that’s working

me so I mean obviously that’s working

me so I mean obviously that’s working you know it’s working for me so I like

you know it’s working for me so I like

you know it’s working for me so I like that idea yeah I think if people see as

that idea yeah I think if people see as

that idea yeah I think if people see as they see copy as a valuable part of

they see copy as a valuable part of

they see copy as a valuable part of their business then having somebody on

their business then having somebody on

their business then having somebody on hand to help them work through their

hand to help them work through their

hand to help them work through their projects mm-hmm would be helpful and not

projects mm-hmm would be helpful and not

projects mm-hmm would be helpful and not just see it as okay well you have a

just see it as okay well you have a

just see it as okay well you have a great about page but the rest of what

great about page but the rest of what

great about page but the rest of what you’re selling all your marketing

you’re selling all your marketing

you’re selling all your marketing communications suck you just a really

communications suck you just a really

communications suck you just a really great page like maybe that’s not enough

great page like maybe that’s not enough

great page like maybe that’s not enough right like yeah you need and I get you

right like yeah you need and I get you

right like yeah you need and I get you can’t have you can’t afford to hire

can’t have you can’t afford to hire

can’t have you can’t afford to hire full-time copywriter but you can have me

full-time copywriter but you can have me

full-time copywriter but you can have me for five hours a week or whatever it is

for five hours a week or whatever it is

for five hours a week or whatever it is to you with all your stuff and over time

to you with all your stuff and over time

to you with all your stuff and over time will knock out all the problems that you

will knock out all the problems that you

will knock out all the problems that you have and copy in your business yeah at

have and copy in your business yeah at

have and copy in your business yeah at least having it as a part of like I

least having it as a part of like I

least having it as a part of like I would set that up as the default way to

would set that up as the default way to

would set that up as the default way to work with you and if they don’t like it

work with you and if they don’t like it

work with you and if they don’t like it then you can go back to just doing

then you can go back to just doing

then you can go back to just doing piecemeal kind of work yeah I like that

piecemeal kind of work yeah I like that

piecemeal kind of work yeah I like that idea a lot and it’s funny because I’m in

idea a lot and it’s funny because I’m in

idea a lot and it’s funny because I’m in the middle it’s one of things I really

the middle it’s one of things I really

the middle it’s one of things I really want to do is make the work with a page

want to do is make the work with a page

want to do is make the work with a page of my website a little better cuz you

of my website a little better cuz you

of my website a little better cuz you know it doesn’t you know all when people

know it doesn’t you know all when people

know it doesn’t you know all when people want to work with me it’s basically

want to work with me it’s basically

want to work with me it’s basically because they were in contact with me for

because they were in contact with me for

because they were in contact with me for a different you know project or another

a different you know project or another

a different you know project or another um so yeah I could even include that on

um so yeah I could even include that on

um so yeah I could even include that on my work with me page to make it like

my work with me page to make it like

my work with me page to make it like kind of the default choice yeah when I

kind of the default choice yeah when I

kind of the default choice yeah when I work with a brand like if I’m working

work with a brand like if I’m working

work with a brand like if I’m working with sage or Microsoft or whoever it is

with sage or Microsoft or whoever it is

with sage or Microsoft or whoever it is it’s always with an eye towards doing a

it’s always with an eye towards doing a

it’s always with an eye towards doing a year-long project together okay that’s

year-long project together okay that’s

year-long project together okay that’s the default thinking going in and maybe

the default thinking going in and maybe

the default thinking going in and maybe we do one thing as a trial but I also

we do one thing as a trial but I also

we do one thing as a trial but I also tell them like you know one is not going

tell them like you know one is not going

tell them like you know one is not going to really get you the results that you

to really get you the results that you

to really get you the results that you need with your business it has to be an

need with your business it has to be an

need with your business it has to be an ongoing commitment for you to get what

ongoing commitment for you to get what

ongoing commitment for you to get what you want out of it too so some people

you want out of it too so some people

you want out of it too so some people still just want the one so find the

still just want the one so find the

still just want the one so find the sweat ends up happening but more often

sweat ends up happening but more often

sweat ends up happening but more often than not

than not

than not they’re coming to you because you’re the

they’re coming to you because you’re the

they’re coming to you because you’re the expert and they trust your opinion and

expert and they trust your opinion and

expert and they trust your opinion and your your judgments and so that’s the

your your judgments and so that’s the

your your judgments and so that’s the best way to do it then a lot of people

best way to do it then a lot of people

best way to do it then a lot of people will just like you won’t even question

will just like you won’t even question

will just like you won’t even question it and let just go ahead and now

it and let just go ahead and now

it and let just go ahead and now suddenly you’re making money every month

suddenly you’re making money every month

suddenly you’re making money every month from these clients instead of piecemeal

from these clients instead of piecemeal

from these clients instead of piecemeal and you got to follow up and say hey

and you got to follow up and say hey

and you got to follow up and say hey have anything for me this one yeah right

have anything for me this one yeah right

have anything for me this one yeah right right it’s kind of big thin I like that

right it’s kind of big thin I like that

right it’s kind of big thin I like that it’s funny because one of the reasons

it’s funny because one of the reasons

it’s funny because one of the reasons why i thought the about page would be a

why i thought the about page would be a

why i thought the about page would be a good place to start is because a lot of

good place to start is because a lot of

good place to start is because a lot of entrepreneurs ated I you know that is

entrepreneurs ated I you know that is

entrepreneurs ated I you know that is all they don’t really have me be a full

all they don’t really have me be a full

all they don’t really have me be a full website even um I’m thinking about some

website even um I’m thinking about some

website even um I’m thinking about some of the networking groups and I belong to

of the networking groups and I belong to

of the networking groups and I belong to like locally that’s kind of I was like

like locally that’s kind of I was like

like locally that’s kind of I was like that’ll be a good workshop because they

that’ll be a good workshop because they

that’ll be a good workshop because they don’t you know they a lot of them just

don’t you know they a lot of them just

don’t you know they a lot of them just don’t have their own website they might

don’t have their own website they might

don’t have their own website they might have like I’m their own like newsletter

have like I’m their own like newsletter

have like I’m their own like newsletter or something like that but they don’t

or something like that but they don’t

or something like that but they don’t really set up for something so I thought

really set up for something so I thought

really set up for something so I thought that’s a good place to start but you’re

that’s a good place to start but you’re

that’s a good place to start but you’re right i think i could have highlighted a

right i think i could have highlighted a

right i think i could have highlighted a little bit they’re like okay here’s some

little bit they’re like okay here’s some

little bit they’re like okay here’s some of the next things we can work on right

of the next things we can work on right

of the next things we can work on right yeah so giving them the list of where to

yeah so giving them the list of where to

yeah so giving them the list of where to focus on next right it was not like

focus on next right it was not like

focus on next right it was not like they’re in pain everywhere the visuals

they’re in pain everywhere the visuals

they’re in pain everywhere the visuals solve one problem but they may have

solve one problem but they may have

solve one problem but they may have multiple problems that maybe they didn’t

multiple problems that maybe they didn’t

multiple problems that maybe they didn’t even realize and then you can help them

even realize and then you can help them

even realize and then you can help them out with and that this is a typical way

out with and that this is a typical way

out with and that this is a typical way that you work with clients like i want i

that you work with clients like i want i

that you work with clients like i want i want every part of your business to be

want every part of your business to be

want every part of your business to be better to have better copy and we’ll

better to have better copy and we’ll

better to have better copy and we’ll start with the most pressing areas and

start with the most pressing areas and

start with the most pressing areas and then we’ll work our way through yeah so

then we’ll work our way through yeah so

then we’ll work our way through yeah so it’s good to give them something like if

it’s good to give them something like if

it’s good to give them something like if they really want to work in the about

they really want to work in the about

they really want to work in the about page and there’s something high leverage

page and there’s something high leverage

page and there’s something high leverage because they’re going to go speak in an

because they’re going to go speak in an

because they’re going to go speak in an event every we’re gonna check out their

event every we’re gonna check out their

event every we’re gonna check out their about page then that’s like that’s the

about page then that’s like that’s the

about page then that’s like that’s the easy way in that’s the first most

easy way in that’s the first most

easy way in that’s the first most pressing painful project and hopefully

pressing painful project and hopefully

pressing painful project and hopefully get some results from that pretty

get some results from that pretty

get some results from that pretty quickly but they recognize the value of

quickly but they recognize the value of

quickly but they recognize the value of you having you on board for longer term

you having you on board for longer term

you having you on board for longer term and as you get more and more of those

and as you get more and more of those

and as you get more and more of those clients you can start increasing your

clients you can start increasing your

clients you can start increasing your rates or selling product or bringing on

rates or selling product or bringing on

rates or selling product or bringing on a junior copywriter under you you know

a junior copywriter under you you know

a junior copywriter under you you know having clients willing to pay you money

having clients willing to pay you money

having clients willing to pay you money is a good problem to have right there’s

is a good problem to have right there’s

is a good problem to have right there’s multiple solutions I agree the second

multiple solutions I agree the second

multiple solutions I agree the second thing that came out of that for me was

thing that came out of that for me was

thing that came out of that for me was you’re getting clients from these

you’re getting clients from these

you’re getting clients from these workshops that you’re doing and so one

workshops that you’re doing and so one

workshops that you’re doing and so one it’s how can i increase the workshops

it’s how can i increase the workshops

it’s how can i increase the workshops like how can you do more of them who the

like how can you do more of them who the

like how can you do more of them who the good

good

good business partner for you not not like

business partner for you not not like

business partner for you not not like taking a percentage or anything but it

taking a percentage or anything but it

taking a percentage or anything but it adds value to their base right so if you

adds value to their base right so if you

adds value to their base right so if you if you want to target local people I

if you want to target local people I

if you want to target local people I don’t know how far you would go like

don’t know how far you would go like

don’t know how far you would go like you’re in portland I’m of Seattle’s too

you’re in portland I’m of Seattle’s too

you’re in portland I’m of Seattle’s too far you know what makes sense for you

far you know what makes sense for you

far you know what makes sense for you but local local business coaches local

but local local business coaches local

but local local business coaches local website SEO people local Chamber of

website SEO people local Chamber of

website SEO people local Chamber of Commerce many local business groups

Commerce many local business groups

Commerce many local business groups maybe local business improvement

maybe local business improvement

maybe local business improvement associations any of those people even

associations any of those people even

associations any of those people even even potential you know lawyers or

even potential you know lawyers or

even potential you know lawyers or accountants base anybody has a business

accountants base anybody has a business

accountants base anybody has a business owner or marketer as a client you could

owner or marketer as a client you could

owner or marketer as a client you could go in and help them so if you put on a

go in and help them so if you put on a

go in and help them so if you put on a free workshop to help them with a

free workshop to help them with a

free workshop to help them with a certain problem that could be value add

certain problem that could be value add

certain problem that could be value add to their clients as well and it doesn’t

to their clients as well and it doesn’t

to their clients as well and it doesn’t have to be a sales pitch it doesn’t have

have to be a sales pitch it doesn’t have

have to be a sales pitch it doesn’t have to be like here’s why you need to hire

to be like here’s why you need to hire

to be like here’s why you need to hire me uh it’ll deal just it’ll just happen

me uh it’ll deal just it’ll just happen

me uh it’ll deal just it’ll just happen like people will see your expertise and

like people will see your expertise and

like people will see your expertise and then I’ll run some of them will just try

then I’ll run some of them will just try

then I’ll run some of them will just try to do themselves and others were just

to do themselves and others were just

to do themselves and others were just like you’ve had that experience that you

like you’ve had that experience that you

like you’ve had that experience that you know what uh how much would it cost for

know what uh how much would it cost for

know what uh how much would it cost for you to do it right just like

you to do it right just like

you to do it right just like that I mean I was just expecting to have

that I mean I was just expecting to have

that I mean I was just expecting to have helped regular herself and yeah I think

helped regular herself and yeah I think

helped regular herself and yeah I think you’re right if I go and that’s a great

you’re right if I go and that’s a great

you’re right if I go and that’s a great idea to talk to I’m like for example web

idea to talk to I’m like for example web

idea to talk to I’m like for example web developers is a great suggestion because

developers is a great suggestion because

developers is a great suggestion because I’ve had a couple copy means with with

I’ve had a couple copy means with with

I’ve had a couple copy means with with those people because they you know they

those people because they you know they

those people because they you know they they get frustrating because they’re

they get frustrating because they’re

they get frustrating because they’re waiting on their clients to give them

waiting on their clients to give them

waiting on their clients to give them copy if they’re doing any website for

copy if they’re doing any website for

copy if they’re doing any website for them and and then their project gets too

them and and then their project gets too

them and and then their project gets too late if that person has a written copy

late if that person has a written copy

late if that person has a written copy and so then sometimes they write copy

and so then sometimes they write copy

and so then sometimes they write copy for them which isn’t really their

for them which isn’t really their

for them which isn’t really their expertise they don’t like it they don’t

expertise they don’t like it they don’t

expertise they don’t like it they don’t like doing that but they’ll do it just

like doing that but they’ll do it just

like doing that but they’ll do it just with the project along um and so they

with the project along um and so they

with the project along um and so they often will work with copywriters but

often will work with copywriters but

often will work with copywriters but like the idea of going and talking to

like the idea of going and talking to

like the idea of going and talking to their clients that’s an awesome idea

their clients that’s an awesome idea

their clients that’s an awesome idea yeah we’re or having them do a workshop

yeah we’re or having them do a workshop

yeah we’re or having them do a workshop like yeah let’s put on a workshop for

like yeah let’s put on a workshop for

like yeah let’s put on a workshop for your clients I’m going to come in and

your clients I’m going to come in and

your clients I’m going to come in and talk about how to write a great about

talk about how to write a great about

talk about how to write a great about page and hopefully this leads some more

page and hopefully this leads some more

page and hopefully this leads some more work for you because they’re gonna need

work for you because they’re gonna need

work for you because they’re gonna need someone to design the about page for

someone to design the about page for

someone to design the about page for them and you just gives value and I’m

them and you just gives value and I’m

them and you just gives value and I’m just trying to get my name out there and

just trying to get my name out there and

just trying to get my name out there and I want to I want to form an alliance

I want to I want to form an alliance

I want to I want to form an alliance with you and I want to give before I

with you and I want to give before I

with you and I want to give before I take anything right if they can do a

take anything right if they can do a

take anything right if they can do a workshop and they bring ten of their

workshop and they bring ten of their

workshop and they bring ten of their clients out and

clients out and

clients out and you know you’re gonna have a pretty good

you know you’re gonna have a pretty good

you know you’re gonna have a pretty good hit rate these are people have already

hit rate these are people have already

hit rate these are people have already paid money to hire professional website

paid money to hire professional website

paid money to hire professional website designer so they understand the value of

designer so they understand the value of

designer so they understand the value of bringing people on board their team is

bringing people on board their team is

bringing people on board their team is it’s not like some brand new startup who

it’s not like some brand new startup who

it’s not like some brand new startup who doesn’t have any budget for anything but

doesn’t have any budget for anything but

doesn’t have any budget for anything but loves all your ideas um yeah and then

loves all your ideas um yeah and then

loves all your ideas um yeah and then repeat like why wouldn’t a lawyer want

repeat like why wouldn’t a lawyer want

repeat like why wouldn’t a lawyer want the same thing you know like a lawyer to

the same thing you know like a lawyer to

the same thing you know like a lawyer to be able to give back to their business

be able to give back to their business

be able to give back to their business owner audience and you could write about

owner audience and you could write about

owner audience and you could write about how to you know how to impact somebody

how to you know how to impact somebody

how to you know how to impact somebody with the next flyer that you put out or

with the next flyer that you put out or

with the next flyer that you put out or copy that needs to be on your LinkedIn

copy that needs to be on your LinkedIn

copy that needs to be on your LinkedIn bio or you know how to write a homepage

bio or you know how to write a homepage

bio or you know how to write a homepage that is really appealing to people um

that is really appealing to people um

that is really appealing to people um you know that’s value add to the lawyer

you know that’s value add to the lawyer

you know that’s value add to the lawyer to introduce to his audience our

to introduce to his audience our

to introduce to his audience our audience um and helps put you in front

audience um and helps put you in front

audience um and helps put you in front of people who have budget to afford a

of people who have budget to afford a

of people who have budget to afford a lawyer so they great that’s afford a

lawyer so they great that’s afford a

lawyer so they great that’s afford a copy right here yeah that’s a great idea

copy right here yeah that’s a great idea

copy right here yeah that’s a great idea um and then the third thing that came

um and then the third thing that came

um and then the third thing that came from that is you got some results by

from that is you got some results by

from that is you got some results by meeting people in person and walking

meeting people in person and walking

meeting people in person and walking them through how to do this about page

them through how to do this about page

them through how to do this about page and then then realizing how much work it

and then then realizing how much work it

and then then realizing how much work it is so they don’t want to do it

is so they don’t want to do it

is so they don’t want to do it themselves and they want you to do it

themselves and they want you to do it

themselves and they want you to do it right now I’m wondering how can you

right now I’m wondering how can you

right now I’m wondering how can you replicate that and now thinking about

replicate that and now thinking about

replicate that and now thinking about your social channels so that it doesn’t

your social channels so that it doesn’t

your social channels so that it doesn’t always have to be you in person doing

always have to be you in person doing

always have to be you in person doing that or why can’t I watch your youtube

that or why can’t I watch your youtube

that or why can’t I watch your youtube video and get that same feeling okay

video and get that same feeling okay

video and get that same feeling okay right like do I why can’t I watch your

right like do I why can’t I watch your

right like do I why can’t I watch your YouTube like give the same amount of

YouTube like give the same amount of

YouTube like give the same amount of value away in a YouTube video where I’m

value away in a YouTube video where I’m

value away in a YouTube video where I’m learning a lot and realized wow jen has

learning a lot and realized wow jen has

learning a lot and realized wow jen has an insane amount of value to add and a

an insane amount of value to add and a

an insane amount of value to add and a lot of people just take that and run

lot of people just take that and run

lot of people just take that and run with it and try to do it themselves and

with it and try to do it themselves and

with it and try to do it themselves and that’s cool like those people would

that’s cool like those people would

that’s cool like those people would never buy from you anyway right right

never buy from you anyway right right

never buy from you anyway right right but others who are maybe further along

but others who are maybe further along

but others who are maybe further along and have some budget would realize you

and have some budget would realize you

and have some budget would realize you know what I don’t like I value my time

know what I don’t like I value my time

know what I don’t like I value my time more than I value the money so I’m gonna

more than I value the money so I’m gonna

more than I value the money so I’m gonna hire somebody to do it and Who am I

hire somebody to do it and Who am I

hire somebody to do it and Who am I gonna hire gonna hire the person who’s

gonna hire gonna hire the person who’s

gonna hire gonna hire the person who’s video i’m watching and maybe feel that

video i’m watching and maybe feel that

video i’m watching and maybe feel that way

way

way right so you’re already like you already

right so you’re already like you already

right so you’re already like you already have the skills you’re already doing it

have the skills you’re already doing it

have the skills you’re already doing it when you’re meeting with them

when you’re meeting with them

when you’re meeting with them face-to-face or via blab but it’s still

face-to-face or via blab but it’s still

face-to-face or via blab but it’s still like you connecting one on one it’s how

like you connecting one on one it’s how

like you connecting one on one it’s how can you translate that same feeling to

can you translate that same feeling to

can you translate that same feeling to your YouTube videos so that when i watch

your YouTube videos so that when i watch

your YouTube videos so that when i watch that I’m still getting that same kind of

that I’m still getting that same kind of

that I’m still getting that same kind of connection and message when I like

connection and message when I like

connection and message when I like people after they meet with you may feel

people after they meet with you may feel

people after they meet with you may feel overwhelmed like this is just an insane

overwhelmed like this is just an insane

overwhelmed like this is just an insane amount of value and work and I don’t

amount of value and work and I don’t

amount of value and work and I don’t want to put in that work I’d rather have

want to put in that work I’d rather have

want to put in that work I’d rather have you do it right how do you get that same

you do it right how do you get that same

you do it right how do you get that same feeling of overwhelm and value at the

feeling of overwhelm and value at the

feeling of overwhelm and value at the end of watch one of your YouTube videos

end of watch one of your YouTube videos

end of watch one of your YouTube videos that I’m like you know what I don’t want

that I’m like you know what I don’t want

that I’m like you know what I don’t want to do this this more work than I thought

to do this this more work than I thought

to do this this more work than I thought i get the value I don’t want to do this

i get the value I don’t want to do this

i get the value I don’t want to do this I just want to hire Jen right and so

I just want to hire Jen right and so

I just want to hire Jen right and so then you end up getting leads via the

then you end up getting leads via the

then you end up getting leads via the web instead of having to do all the

web instead of having to do all the

web instead of having to do all the local events and partnerships yeah no I

local events and partnerships yeah no I

local events and partnerships yeah no I love that idea because I mean a lot of

love that idea because I mean a lot of

love that idea because I mean a lot of my you know perfect customer just don’t

my you know perfect customer just don’t

my you know perfect customer just don’t look right here in Portland so it’d be

look right here in Portland so it’d be

look right here in Portland so it’d be great to be able to work with people

great to be able to work with people

great to be able to work with people across the country yeah it’s funny

across the country yeah it’s funny

across the country yeah it’s funny because I think you actually are

because I think you actually are

because I think you actually are highlighting something I’ve sort of been

highlighting something I’ve sort of been

highlighting something I’ve sort of been debating because I i did a video a

debating because I i did a video a

debating because I i did a video a couple weeks ago about how to edit your

couple weeks ago about how to edit your

couple weeks ago about how to edit your copy and you know it was really valuable

copy and you know it was really valuable

copy and you know it was really valuable video and I kept thinking to myself

video and I kept thinking to myself

video and I kept thinking to myself maybe it’s too long because ended being

maybe it’s too long because ended being

maybe it’s too long because ended being like 10 minutes but I couldn’t figure

like 10 minutes but I couldn’t figure

like 10 minutes but I couldn’t figure out how to make it shorter I mean I

out how to make it shorter I mean I

out how to make it shorter I mean I really I kind of was I moved along

really I kind of was I moved along

really I kind of was I moved along quickly and I gave some really good tips

quickly and I gave some really good tips

quickly and I gave some really good tips I couldn’t figure how to do it other

I couldn’t figure how to do it other

I couldn’t figure how to do it other than breaking up into chunks now I was

than breaking up into chunks now I was

than breaking up into chunks now I was like you know what I’m going to go ahead

like you know what I’m going to go ahead

like you know what I’m going to go ahead and put all together as one video and

and put all together as one video and

and put all together as one video and just see how it does um and it’s been ok

just see how it does um and it’s been ok

just see how it does um and it’s been ok it hasn’t done quite as well as the

it hasn’t done quite as well as the

it hasn’t done quite as well as the about page video but um but that’s

about page video but um but that’s

about page video but um but that’s actually a really great concept because

actually a really great concept because

actually a really great concept because if I make the videos longer um like I

if I make the videos longer um like I

if I make the videos longer um like I just did another one actually just

just did another one actually just

just did another one actually just posted this morning on how to name

posted this morning on how to name

posted this morning on how to name something and I I feel like it is if it

something and I I feel like it is if it

something and I I feel like it is if it is a really long video that might just

is a really long video that might just

is a really long video that might just feel like okay I get it this is a

feel like okay I get it this is a

feel like okay I get it this is a process I’m gonna hire John rather than

process I’m gonna hire John rather than

process I’m gonna hire John rather than make it like my about page video was

make it like my about page video was

make it like my about page video was super short like I made it really sharp

super short like I made it really sharp

super short like I made it really sharp of my idea was that I was going to kind

of my idea was that I was going to kind

of my idea was that I was going to kind of tease them into downloading the

of tease them into downloading the

of tease them into downloading the freebie from me and then you know

freebie from me and then you know

freebie from me and then you know hopefully you know you know hiring for

hopefully you know you know hiring for

hopefully you know you know hiring for me from the tease but me

me from the tease but me

me from the tease but me wasn’t enough maybe I should have done a

wasn’t enough maybe I should have done a

wasn’t enough maybe I should have done a longer about page video I don’t know

longer about page video I don’t know

longer about page video I don’t know what’s your thoughts on that I know you

what’s your thoughts on that I know you

what’s your thoughts on that I know you know the length of the video is kind of

know the length of the video is kind of

know the length of the video is kind of controversial for me it’s it’s really

controversial for me it’s it’s really

controversial for me it’s it’s really about the value and and I eat it the

about the value and and I eat it the

about the value and and I eat it the most popular video on my channel is

most popular video on my channel is

most popular video on my channel is still a 40 minute long video yeah almost

still a 40 minute long video yeah almost

still a 40 minute long video yeah almost 2 million views maybe it’s over 2

2 million views maybe it’s over 2

2 million views maybe it’s over 2 million views now I don’t know 40

million views now I don’t know 40

million views now I don’t know 40 minutes long you know and I look at some

minutes long you know and I look at some

minutes long you know and I look at some of the other channels that are in my

of the other channels that are in my

of the other channels that are in my space and they’re going shorter and

space and they’re going shorter and

space and they’re going shorter and shorter and I was talking to other

shorter and I was talking to other

shorter and I was talking to other people there the Gaia if we if we posted

people there the Gaia if we if we posted

people there the Gaia if we if we posted videos more than 45 seconds long we lose

videos more than 45 seconds long we lose

videos more than 45 seconds long we lose all their attentions like that’s nuts

all their attentions like that’s nuts

all their attentions like that’s nuts like you know some videos can be 45

like you know some videos can be 45

like you know some videos can be 45 seconds long but if video should be as

seconds long but if video should be as

seconds long but if video should be as long as it needs to be right as long as

long as it needs to be right as long as

long as it needs to be right as long as you’re not repeating yourself and saying

you’re not repeating yourself and saying

you’re not repeating yourself and saying the same thing over and over and over

the same thing over and over and over

the same thing over and over and over again you know uh you go to a Tony

again you know uh you go to a Tony

again you know uh you go to a Tony Robbins event and and his stuff is like

Robbins event and and his stuff is like

Robbins event and and his stuff is like weekends long right all day long yeah I

weekends long right all day long yeah I

weekends long right all day long yeah I Mountain telling him listen Tony you got

Mountain telling him listen Tony you got

Mountain telling him listen Tony you got to crunch that down into half an hour or

to crunch that down into half an hour or

to crunch that down into half an hour or 10 minutes or five minutes you know so

10 minutes or five minutes you know so

10 minutes or five minutes you know so sometimes it’s not possible i think the

sometimes it’s not possible i think the

sometimes it’s not possible i think the challenge though with with the long

challenge though with with the long

challenge though with with the long videos as people most people can’t

videos as people most people can’t

videos as people most people can’t provide consistent value for an hour or

provide consistent value for an hour or

provide consistent value for an hour or half an hour or 20 minutes or whoever

half an hour or 20 minutes or whoever

half an hour or 20 minutes or whoever long it is you end up repeating yourself

long it is you end up repeating yourself

long it is you end up repeating yourself and it’s not good quality stuff we’re

and it’s not good quality stuff we’re

and it’s not good quality stuff we’re really what you said in 30 minutes could

really what you said in 30 minutes could

really what you said in 30 minutes could have been said in seven so say it in

have been said in seven so say it in

have been said in seven so say it in seven like just like coffee long copy

seven like just like coffee long copy

seven like just like coffee long copy for the sake of length is not great but

for the sake of length is not great but

for the sake of length is not great but if every word is meaningful and

if every word is meaningful and

if every word is meaningful and impactful and fantasy and makes people

impactful and fantasy and makes people

impactful and fantasy and makes people feel something then the copies as long

feel something then the copies as long

feel something then the copies as long as a copy needs to be so i think i think

as a copy needs to be so i think i think

as a copy needs to be so i think i think for that the topic doesn’t sound is

for that the topic doesn’t sound is

for that the topic doesn’t sound is interesting for me if i’m comparing

interesting for me if i’m comparing

interesting for me if i’m comparing those two like you had how did how to

those two like you had how did how to

those two like you had how did how to make a great about page versus how to

make a great about page versus how to

make a great about page versus how to how to edit your copy yeah as a business

how to edit your copy yeah as a business

how to edit your copy yeah as a business owner i get to how to make a great about

owner i get to how to make a great about

owner i get to how to make a great about page right edit my papi is probably a

page right edit my papi is probably a

page right edit my papi is probably a big problem but i don’t see it as a

big problem but i don’t see it as a

big problem but i don’t see it as a problem

problem

problem yeah well I’m Nancy right I was thinking

yeah well I’m Nancy right I was thinking

yeah well I’m Nancy right I was thinking I would sort of the baton to myself how

I would sort of the baton to myself how

I would sort of the baton to myself how do I make this more sound more

do I make this more sound more

do I make this more sound more interesting but I didn’t know how to

interesting but I didn’t know how to

interesting but I didn’t know how to because I mean really when you edit your

because I mean really when you edit your

because I mean really when you edit your copy it’s like that’s kinda like the

copy it’s like that’s kinda like the

copy it’s like that’s kinda like the difference between like it you know like

difference between like it you know like

difference between like it you know like a first draft obviously in the finished

a first draft obviously in the finished

a first draft obviously in the finished traffic all these like elegant touches

traffic all these like elegant touches

traffic all these like elegant touches and make it much more interesting to

and make it much more interesting to

and make it much more interesting to read and I mean there were some useful

read and I mean there were some useful

read and I mean there were some useful stuff in there like um so I know what

stuff in there like um so I know what

stuff in there like um so I know what you mean though the title sounds boring

you mean though the title sounds boring

you mean though the title sounds boring um so unless your rider you might not

um so unless your rider you might not

um so unless your rider you might not get it right as a busy entrepreneur you

get it right as a busy entrepreneur you

get it right as a busy entrepreneur you know I’d obviously know you but

know I’d obviously know you but

know I’d obviously know you but otherwise if I wouldn’t watch the video

otherwise if I wouldn’t watch the video

otherwise if I wouldn’t watch the video game yes I don’t feel like it’s a

game yes I don’t feel like it’s a

game yes I don’t feel like it’s a pressing need we’re fine they’re sitting

pressing need we’re fine they’re sitting

pressing need we’re fine they’re sitting like on my I have a conference coming up

like on my I have a conference coming up

like on my I have a conference coming up everybody’s gonna hit my about page I

everybody’s gonna hit my about page I

everybody’s gonna hit my about page I hate how it looks I don’t know what to

hate how it looks I don’t know what to

hate how it looks I don’t know what to write for my bio like that’s more of a

write for my bio like that’s more of a

write for my bio like that’s more of a pressing need um yeah I think if you

pressing need um yeah I think if you

pressing need um yeah I think if you changed it around you get better results

changed it around you get better results

changed it around you get better results yeah I think that’s a more search term

yeah I think that’s a more search term

yeah I think that’s a more search term friendly like somebody’s typing in like

friendly like somebody’s typing in like

friendly like somebody’s typing in like how do i fix my belt page right probably

how do i fix my belt page right probably

how do i fix my belt page right probably not searching for how do i edit my copy

not searching for how do i edit my copy

not searching for how do i edit my copy better yeah unless you’re talking to

better yeah unless you’re talking to

better yeah unless you’re talking to editors right like that’s something that

editors right like that’s something that

editors right like that’s something that they care about but maybe that’s not the

they care about but maybe that’s not the

they care about but maybe that’s not the audience that you want to reach not

audience that you want to reach not

audience that you want to reach not really yeah you’re right I think and I

really yeah you’re right I think and I

really yeah you’re right I think and I could have still kept the same content

could have still kept the same content

could have still kept the same content and just maybe had a different better

and just maybe had a different better

and just maybe had a different better title like you know how to put the

title like you know how to put the

title like you know how to put the finishing touches on your website pages

finishing touches on your website pages

finishing touches on your website pages to make them really awesome or whatever

to make them really awesome or whatever

to make them really awesome or whatever like you know um that’s a really good

like you know um that’s a really good

like you know um that’s a really good point and actually someone else was

point and actually someone else was

point and actually someone else was telling me that you know I could go back

telling me that you know I could go back

telling me that you know I could go back and read rename a lot of my youtube

and read rename a lot of my youtube

and read rename a lot of my youtube videos to make it more interesting

videos to make it more interesting

videos to make it more interesting because a lot of I titles are at the

because a lot of I titles are at the

because a lot of I titles are at the heart the bass aren’t the most

heart the bass aren’t the most

heart the bass aren’t the most searchable um where is the how to write

searchable um where is the how to write

searchable um where is the how to write an about page probably is right and

an about page probably is right and

an about page probably is right and thinking about that video you did

thinking about that video you did

thinking about that video you did recently of where were you in whole

recently of where were you in whole

recently of where were you in whole foods yeah and walking around like

foods yeah and walking around like

foods yeah and walking around like showcasing the product names and

showcasing the product names and

showcasing the product names and descriptions that you really liked yeah

descriptions that you really liked yeah

descriptions that you really liked yeah especially for you as a copywriter you

especially for you as a copywriter you

especially for you as a copywriter you need your names to be noteworthy right

need your names to be noteworthy right

need your names to be noteworthy right talk about worthy so that if somebody

talk about worthy so that if somebody

talk about worthy so that if somebody was landing on on your page like if I’m

was landing on on your page like if I’m

was landing on on your page like if I’m looking at hey I want to hire somebody

looking at hey I want to hire somebody

looking at hey I want to hire somebody to help me with my LinkedIn bio I’m

to help me with my LinkedIn bio I’m

to help me with my LinkedIn bio I’m gonna look at your LinkedIn bio

gonna look at your LinkedIn bio

gonna look at your LinkedIn bio right I’m gonna look at your about page

right I’m gonna look at your about page

right I’m gonna look at your about page I can look at your YouTube video titles

I can look at your YouTube video titles

I can look at your YouTube video titles on right like that’s just by the nature

on right like that’s just by the nature

on right like that’s just by the nature of the industry that you’re in that’s

of the industry that you’re in that’s

of the industry that you’re in that’s what I’m gonna look at yeah right if

what I’m gonna look at yeah right if

what I’m gonna look at yeah right if there’s somebody talking with ya right

there’s somebody talking with ya right

there’s somebody talking with ya right the somebody’s talking about how to be a

the somebody’s talking about how to be a

the somebody’s talking about how to be a great youtuber and they don’t have a

great youtuber and they don’t have a

great youtuber and they don’t have a popular YouTube channel well what I’m

popular YouTube channel well what I’m

popular YouTube channel well what I’m gonna you know I don’t want to somebody

gonna you know I don’t want to somebody

gonna you know I don’t want to somebody else so just like you went into whole

else so just like you went into whole

else so just like you went into whole foods and talked about you know this how

foods and talked about you know this how

foods and talked about you know this how many thousands of products and whole

many thousands of products and whole

many thousands of products and whole foods and you picked out three or four

foods and you picked out three or four

foods and you picked out three or four that really resonated with you but how

that really resonated with you but how

that really resonated with you but how they described what was in their product

they described what was in their product

they described what was in their product you want people to do the same thing

you want people to do the same thing

you want people to do the same thing where when they land and hit your about

where when they land and hit your about

where when they land and hit your about page it’s something that they like man

page it’s something that they like man

page it’s something that they like man that’s that’s a cool about page it’s

that’s that’s a cool about page it’s

that’s that’s a cool about page it’s different how how she wrote about

different how how she wrote about

different how how she wrote about herself I want something like that for

herself I want something like that for

herself I want something like that for me right okay cool I love it really good

me right okay cool I love it really good

me right okay cool I love it really good points great we got some questions

points great we got some questions

points great we got some questions coming in roshan is asking uh what’s the

coming in roshan is asking uh what’s the

coming in roshan is asking uh what’s the best and worst moment of being an

best and worst moment of being an

best and worst moment of being an entrepreneur oh wow um certain deep

entrepreneur oh wow um certain deep

entrepreneur oh wow um certain deep their ocean i know i should take light

their ocean i know i should take light

their ocean i know i should take light topic for this morning i haven’t had

topic for this morning i haven’t had

topic for this morning i haven’t had enough coffee today um i mean i would

enough coffee today um i mean i would

enough coffee today um i mean i would say probably the worst moment is like

say probably the worst moment is like

say probably the worst moment is like that feeling that you like are going and

that feeling that you like are going and

that feeling that you like are going and deeper and deeper and you can’t get

deeper and deeper and you can’t get

deeper and deeper and you can’t get yourself out and like I know for me like

yourself out and like I know for me like

yourself out and like I know for me like when I wasn’t noticing all like I wasn’t

when I wasn’t noticing all like I wasn’t

when I wasn’t noticing all like I wasn’t getting in clients I wasn’t like I

getting in clients I wasn’t like I

getting in clients I wasn’t like I thought goes doing all the right things

thought goes doing all the right things

thought goes doing all the right things but late wasn’t paying off yet and it

but late wasn’t paying off yet and it

but late wasn’t paying off yet and it just you know you just have to have

just you know you just have to have

just you know you just have to have faith and without being able see as I

faith and without being able see as I

faith and without being able see as I put it the other side of the forest like

put it the other side of the forest like

put it the other side of the forest like you have to just embrace the forest and

you have to just embrace the forest and

you have to just embrace the forest and keep going and you know enjoy the time

keep going and you know enjoy the time

keep going and you know enjoy the time there and know that it’s gonna know that

there and know that it’s gonna know that

there and know that it’s gonna know that it’s gonna pay off i think that was

it’s gonna pay off i think that was

it’s gonna pay off i think that was probably the toughest thing for me

probably the toughest thing for me

probably the toughest thing for me because i felt like you know i felt like

because i felt like you know i felt like

because i felt like you know i felt like i had to give up i felt like i was gonna

i had to give up i felt like i was gonna

i had to give up i felt like i was gonna you know go into further debt and i was

you know go into further debt and i was

you know go into further debt and i was never to make money and maybe I me this

never to make money and maybe I me this

never to make money and maybe I me this huge mistake and um and you know then

huge mistake and um and you know then

huge mistake and um and you know then things started turning around and I

things started turning around and I

things started turning around and I think the best part for me was when I

think the best part for me was when I

think the best part for me was when I realized when I started celebrating I

realized when I started celebrating I

realized when I started celebrating I you know said that at the four million

you know said that at the four million

you know said that at the four million times but it just made me more aware of

times but it just made me more aware of

times but it just made me more aware of all the things that I was doing so what

all the things that I was doing so what

all the things that I was doing so what I started doing was things like you know

I started doing was things like you know

I started doing was things like you know at the end of the day writing down

at the end of the day writing down

at the end of the day writing down everything I got done in that day so you

everything I got done in that day so you

everything I got done in that day so you know maybe I didn’t give a new client

know maybe I didn’t give a new client

know maybe I didn’t give a new client you know but I got like ten things done

you know but I got like ten things done

you know but I got like ten things done that I you know never want to be able to

that I you know never want to be able to

that I you know never want to be able to do when I was working full-time

do when I was working full-time

do when I was working full-time and so um starting all the things I was

and so um starting all the things I was

and so um starting all the things I was doing right and not what is wrong is

doing right and not what is wrong is

doing right and not what is wrong is what really helped me and made me feel

what really helped me and made me feel

what really helped me and made me feel excited on my business again cool for me

excited on my business again cool for me

excited on my business again cool for me the the worst part was just feeling uh

the the worst part was just feeling uh

the the worst part was just feeling uh like I was valueless like I was putting

like I was valueless like I was putting

like I was valueless like I was putting in all this work and I wasn’t getting

in all this work and I wasn’t getting

in all this work and I wasn’t getting results and wanting to quit yeah

results and wanting to quit yeah

results and wanting to quit yeah everything before that like if I put in

everything before that like if I put in

everything before that like if I put in my time and effort i knew that i would

my time and effort i knew that i would

my time and effort i knew that i would get meaningful results and here i was

get meaningful results and here i was

get meaningful results and here i was like working hard and not getting

like working hard and not getting

like working hard and not getting results and so that that sucks like if

results and so that that sucks like if

results and so that that sucks like if you’re not working hard then whatever

you’re not working hard then whatever

you’re not working hard then whatever you don’t you don’t deserve it too

you don’t you don’t deserve it too

you don’t you don’t deserve it too you’re not really putting the effort in

you’re not really putting the effort in

you’re not really putting the effort in but we needa put in the effort and

but we needa put in the effort and

but we needa put in the effort and you’re acting anything coming back man

you’re acting anything coming back man

you’re acting anything coming back man that sucks it makes you feel like just

that sucks it makes you feel like just

that sucks it makes you feel like just completely worthless yeah and then the

completely worthless yeah and then the

completely worthless yeah and then the best part I guess for me like I’m

best part I guess for me like I’m

best part I guess for me like I’m motivated by impact so just seeing the

motivated by impact so just seeing the

motivated by impact so just seeing the comment and you guys saying how you know

comment and you guys saying how you know

comment and you guys saying how you know you’ve got an idea or your moved by to

you’ve got an idea or your moved by to

you’ve got an idea or your moved by to you’re motivated now you’re gonna go do

you’re motivated now you’re gonna go do

you’re motivated now you’re gonna go do something realize it at the time that

something realize it at the time that

something realize it at the time that I’m spending is having an impact on

I’m spending is having an impact on

I’m spending is having an impact on people that that’s that’s the best part

people that that’s that’s the best part

people that that’s that’s the best part then I get that daily which is awesome

then I get that daily which is awesome

then I get that daily which is awesome but you need to you know for those

but you need to you know for those

but you need to you know for those watching need to understand the impact

watching need to understand the impact

watching need to understand the impact that you’re having and that’s like

that you’re having and that’s like

that you’re having and that’s like that’s that’s fuel for you to want to

that’s that’s fuel for you to want to

that’s that’s fuel for you to want to keep going exactly I love it Ravi is

keep going exactly I love it Ravi is

keep going exactly I love it Ravi is asking how to know between two things is

asking how to know between two things is

asking how to know between two things is equally excited about two things how

equally excited about two things how

equally excited about two things how does he know which one to go for Ravi oh

does he know which one to go for Ravi oh

does he know which one to go for Ravi oh wow that’s a hard one you know what this

wow that’s a hard one you know what this

wow that’s a hard one you know what this is a really um this comes back to a book

is a really um this comes back to a book

is a really um this comes back to a book that I read recently that talked about

that I read recently that talked about

that I read recently that talked about before I think Perry Marshall wrote this

before I think Perry Marshall wrote this

before I think Perry Marshall wrote this book called 8020 rule and it’s basically

book called 8020 rule and it’s basically

book called 8020 rule and it’s basically takes that 8020 roll into further

takes that 8020 roll into further

takes that 8020 roll into further account and he compares it’s like

account and he compares it’s like

account and he compares it’s like everything in your life which is it’s

everything in your life which is it’s

everything in your life which is it’s kind of amazing when you think about it

kind of amazing when you think about it

kind of amazing when you think about it like you know eighty percent of people

like you know eighty percent of people

like you know eighty percent of people travel in twenty percent of the roads

travel in twenty percent of the roads

travel in twenty percent of the roads it’s like this this rule like applies

it’s like this this rule like applies

it’s like this this rule like applies throughout life but one of the things

throughout life but one of the things

throughout life but one of the things that he talks about that I think it’s

that he talks about that I think it’s

that he talks about that I think it’s just like it’s one of those pieces of

just like it’s one of those pieces of

just like it’s one of those pieces of advice that I really stuck with me and

advice that I really stuck with me and

advice that I really stuck with me and that’s if you are making a decision

that’s if you are making a decision

that’s if you are making a decision about something and you’re not like at

about something and you’re not like at

about something and you’re not like at least eight close to eighty percent sure

least eight close to eighty percent sure

least eight close to eighty percent sure it’s gonna work out and of course you

it’s gonna work out and of course you

it’s gonna work out and of course you don’t know for sure you never know for

don’t know for sure you never know for

don’t know for sure you never know for sure but you know if your confidence

sure but you know if your confidence

sure but you know if your confidence isn’t like

isn’t like

isn’t like % you shouldn’t do it because it’s

% you shouldn’t do it because it’s

% you shouldn’t do it because it’s probably not gonna work out and so I

probably not gonna work out and so I

probably not gonna work out and so I don’t know if it’s like exactly equal

don’t know if it’s like exactly equal

don’t know if it’s like exactly equal but if either one of them are eighty

but if either one of them are eighty

but if either one of them are eighty percent like I don’t do it and I think

percent like I don’t do it and I think

percent like I don’t do it and I think back on the things in my life when I’ve

back on the things in my life when I’ve

back on the things in my life when I’ve sort of been a little unsure and like I

sort of been a little unsure and like I

sort of been a little unsure and like I think to myself all i’m seventy-five

think to myself all i’m seventy-five

think to myself all i’m seventy-five percent sure so that’s it’s pretty

percent sure so that’s it’s pretty

percent sure so that’s it’s pretty likely but that’s not it’s not enough it

likely but that’s not it’s not enough it

likely but that’s not it’s not enough it has to be closer to eighty percent

has to be closer to eighty percent

has to be closer to eighty percent because otherwise it probably won’t work

because otherwise it probably won’t work

because otherwise it probably won’t work out and that’s totally how it’s been for

out and that’s totally how it’s been for

out and that’s totally how it’s been for me if I’ve been like a little less than

me if I’ve been like a little less than

me if I’ve been like a little less than eighty percent sure hasn’t worked out

eighty percent sure hasn’t worked out

eighty percent sure hasn’t worked out it’s cuz part of it too i think is your

it’s cuz part of it too i think is your

it’s cuz part of it too i think is your own confidence in your own excitement

own confidence in your own excitement

own confidence in your own excitement level contributes to that eighty percent

level contributes to that eighty percent

level contributes to that eighty percent and um I don’t know that’s I thought I

and um I don’t know that’s I thought I

and um I don’t know that’s I thought I was really a piece of advice for me I

was really a piece of advice for me I

was really a piece of advice for me I would look at it two ways one I would I

would look at it two ways one I would I

would look at it two ways one I would I would look first if I’m equally excited

would look first if I’m equally excited

would look first if I’m equally excited about them can i combine them into one

about them can i combine them into one

about them can i combine them into one yeah embrace the end instead of seeing

yeah embrace the end instead of seeing

yeah embrace the end instead of seeing them as or yeah you like if you love

them as or yeah you like if you love

them as or yeah you like if you love website development and you love you

website development and you love you

website development and you love you know hockey those may seem as two

know hockey those may seem as two

know hockey those may seem as two different things but you can combine

different things but you can combine

different things but you can combine them be the website developer for the

them be the website developer for the

them be the website developer for the hockey industry and you’ll be the best

hockey industry and you’ll be the best

hockey industry and you’ll be the best yeah you’ll be the best at that like and

yeah you’ll be the best at that like and

yeah you’ll be the best at that like and if you just try to be a website

if you just try to be a website

if you just try to be a website developer or you just try to do

developer or you just try to do

developer or you just try to do something in hockey you’ll always feel

something in hockey you’ll always feel

something in hockey you’ll always feel into something missing where if you can

into something missing where if you can

into something missing where if you can combine those two things nobody can

combine those two things nobody can

combine those two things nobody can touch you and so it allows you to be

touch you and so it allows you to be

touch you and so it allows you to be unique so that helps you stand out in

unique so that helps you stand out in

unique so that helps you stand out in the customers eyes but it also brings

the customers eyes but it also brings

the customers eyes but it also brings you more joy so you don’t feel like

you more joy so you don’t feel like

you more joy so you don’t feel like there’s something that’s a part of you

there’s something that’s a part of you

there’s something that’s a part of you that’s that’s missing you have to go

that’s that’s missing you have to go

that’s that’s missing you have to go somewhere else to be able to do it I’m a

somewhere else to be able to do it I’m a

somewhere else to be able to do it I’m a big believer in combining your passions

big believer in combining your passions

big believer in combining your passions to build the ultimate business that

to build the ultimate business that

to build the ultimate business that nobody can replicate yeah I love that so

nobody can replicate yeah I love that so

nobody can replicate yeah I love that so much the other recently I’m stars and so

much the other recently I’m stars and so

much the other recently I’m stars and so you talked about that recently within

you talked about that recently within

you talked about that recently within your video with Ryan Holliday too right

your video with Ryan Holliday too right

your video with Ryan Holliday too right he talked about like pursuing multiple

he talked about like pursuing multiple

he talked about like pursuing multiple things and that really helps you get

things and that really helps you get

things and that really helps you get stay motivated and stay busy I love that

stay motivated and stay busy I love that

stay motivated and stay busy I love that and just like what you said like you can

and just like what you said like you can

and just like what you said like you can use your passions and you know in

use your passions and you know in

use your passions and you know in multiple ways yeah so then the other

multiple ways yeah so then the other

multiple ways yeah so then the other part of that I would say is I if I had

part of that I would say is I if I had

part of that I would say is I if I had to configure out between to look at what

to configure out between to look at what

to configure out between to look at what am I most excited finally are you

am I most excited finally are you

am I most excited finally are you actually excited by these things that

actually excited by these things that

actually excited by these things that actually motivate you are you doing it

actually motivate you are you doing it

actually motivate you are you doing it just because you think it’s an

just because you think it’s an

just because you think it’s an opportunity I do you enjoy the work like

opportunity I do you enjoy the work like

opportunity I do you enjoy the work like do you enjoy the process you know like

do you enjoy the process you know like

do you enjoy the process you know like Jen might be great at

Jen might be great at

Jen might be great at 18 and that can yield a great result for

18 and that can yield a great result for

18 and that can yield a great result for her clients and they get new business or

her clients and they get new business or

her clients and they get new business or they get whatever results are on but if

they get whatever results are on but if

they get whatever results are on but if she didn’t enjoy writing mm-hmm it’s not

she didn’t enjoy writing mm-hmm it’s not

she didn’t enjoy writing mm-hmm it’s not gonna last like she’s got to be doing

gonna last like she’s got to be doing

gonna last like she’s got to be doing riding on her own she likes to enjoy the

riding on her own she likes to enjoy the

riding on her own she likes to enjoy the process that doesn’t mean you enjoy

process that doesn’t mean you enjoy

process that doesn’t mean you enjoy every day is gonna be terrible days yeah

every day is gonna be terrible days yeah

every day is gonna be terrible days yeah but but often the way to get through a

but but often the way to get through a

but but often the way to get through a terrible days to bury yourself back in

terrible days to bury yourself back in

terrible days to bury yourself back in the work like the work brings you joy

the work like the work brings you joy

the work like the work brings you joy and too many people are focus just on

and too many people are focus just on

and too many people are focus just on the outcome they’re just focusing on the

the outcome they’re just focusing on the

the outcome they’re just focusing on the opportunity they read like entrepreneur

opportunity they read like entrepreneur

opportunity they read like entrepreneur magazine top hundred businesses the star

magazine top hundred businesses the star

magazine top hundred businesses the star like oh yeah I go through that one

like oh yeah I go through that one

like oh yeah I go through that one because it’s hot right it doesn’t that

because it’s hot right it doesn’t that

because it’s hot right it doesn’t that get it because you don’t like the work

get it because you don’t like the work

get it because you don’t like the work like a nut shouldn’t be work the work

like a nut shouldn’t be work the work

like a nut shouldn’t be work the work should be fun the work should save you

should be fun the work should save you

should be fun the work should save you the work gets you through it so I’d be

the work gets you through it so I’d be

the work gets you through it so I’d be looking at those opportunities that you

looking at those opportunities that you

looking at those opportunities that you have in front of you Ravi and see like

have in front of you Ravi and see like

have in front of you Ravi and see like do you actually enjoy the work and if

do you actually enjoy the work and if

do you actually enjoy the work and if you do then bring both those together to

you do then bring both those together to

you do then bring both those together to form the ultimate business I love that

form the ultimate business I love that

form the ultimate business I love that it reminds me two of your that reminds a

it reminds me two of your that reminds a

it reminds me two of your that reminds a little bit of your failure video because

little bit of your failure video because

little bit of your failure video because I think about that too like if you’re

I think about that too like if you’re

I think about that too like if you’re willing to fail at something like if you

willing to fail at something like if you

willing to fail at something like if you love it so much that you’re gonna fail

love it so much that you’re gonna fail

love it so much that you’re gonna fail at it and you know you’re gonna feel at

at it and you know you’re gonna feel at

at it and you know you’re gonna feel at it you’re still gonna want to keep doing

it you’re still gonna want to keep doing

it you’re still gonna want to keep doing it then you definitely pursue it because

it then you definitely pursue it because

it then you definitely pursue it because I think because the bottom line is

I think because the bottom line is

I think because the bottom line is you’re gonna fail at something it

you’re gonna fail at something it

you’re gonna fail at something it whatever you pursue somehow some way

whatever you pursue somehow some way

whatever you pursue somehow some way you’re gonna fail at it before you get

you’re gonna fail at it before you get

you’re gonna fail at it before you get really good at it and so you have to you

really good at it and so you have to you

really good at it and so you have to you know go into it knowing you might suck

know go into it knowing you might suck

know go into it knowing you might suck at up for a little bit and as long as

at up for a little bit and as long as

at up for a little bit and as long as you’re willing to accept that and then

you’re willing to accept that and then

you’re willing to accept that and then you probably have a passion for it I

you probably have a passion for it I

you probably have a passion for it I love it well we’re already a time it’s

love it well we’re already a time it’s

love it well we’re already a time it’s crazy how quickly it goes people who

crazy how quickly it goes people who

crazy how quickly it goes people who want to learn about you where they going

want to learn about you where they going

want to learn about you where they going uh they can go to you so much calm or on

uh they can go to you so much calm or on

uh they can go to you so much calm or on my youtube channel it’s add video so

my youtube channel it’s add video so

my youtube channel it’s add video so much is my channel awesome appreciate

much is my channel awesome appreciate

much is my channel awesome appreciate the time again thank you guys for

the time again thank you guys for

the time again thank you guys for watching to continue to believe i will

watching to continue to believe i will

watching to continue to believe i will see you see things that it yes

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