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hello I am so glad to be here tonight

hello I am so glad to be here tonight among all of you and especially among my

among all of you and especially among my

among all of you and especially among my fellow speakers who were talking about

fellow speakers who were talking about

fellow speakers who were talking about technology transfer something I’ve been

technology transfer something I’ve been

technology transfer something I’ve been very passionate about for over 20 years

very passionate about for over 20 years

very passionate about for over 20 years now obviously we’ve all been doing this

now obviously we’ve all been doing this

now obviously we’ve all been doing this a long time we just look still so young

a long time we just look still so young

a long time we just look still so young I know but also just the broader the

I know but also just the broader the

I know but also just the broader the broader topic of advancing academic

broader topic of advancing academic

broader topic of advancing academic innovations and I want to talk

innovations and I want to talk

innovations and I want to talk particularly about if I could get my

particularly about if I could get my

particularly about if I could get my slides up that would probably be good

slides up that would probably be good

slides up that would probably be good but I’m going to talk about one

but I’m going to talk about one

but I’m going to talk about one particular point of advancing academic

particular point of advancing academic

particular point of advancing academic innovations and that is traversing the

innovations and that is traversing the

innovations and that is traversing the valley of innovation death or as I call

valley of innovation death or as I call

valley of innovation death or as I call it the void so I call this the void and

it the void so I call this the void and

it the void so I call this the void and it’s also kind of known as the Bermuda

it’s also kind of known as the Bermuda

it’s also kind of known as the Bermuda Triangle of academic innovation so this

Triangle of academic innovation so this

Triangle of academic innovation so this is a traditional representation of the

is a traditional representation of the

is a traditional representation of the void of the value of innovation of death

void of the value of innovation of death

void of the value of innovation of death and that is that academic innovations

and that is that academic innovations

and that is that academic innovations are brought to a certain point in

are brought to a certain point in

are brought to a certain point in academic research and basic research at

academic research and basic research at

academic research and basic research at academic institutions but before

academic institutions but before

academic institutions but before industry is willing to take them on

industry is willing to take them on

industry is willing to take them on they’re usually looking for some other

they’re usually looking for some other

they’re usually looking for some other things to happen with the technology

things to happen with the technology

things to happen with the technology before they’re willing to do so so a lot

before they’re willing to do so so a lot

before they’re willing to do so so a lot of things end up perishing in this void

of things end up perishing in this void

of things end up perishing in this void and a lot of the reasons that these

and a lot of the reasons that these

and a lot of the reasons that these things perish are because of resource

things perish are because of resource

things perish are because of resource constraints that are associated with it

constraints that are associated with it

constraints that are associated with it be it cash Vietnam power and other

be it cash Vietnam power and other

be it cash Vietnam power and other things but what I’m going to talk about

things but what I’m going to talk about

things but what I’m going to talk about tonight are some attributes I see

tonight are some attributes I see

tonight are some attributes I see associated with these technologies that

associated with these technologies that

associated with these technologies that may also make them perish in this void

may also make them perish in this void

may also make them perish in this void so another way to look at it is this all

so another way to look at it is this all

so another way to look at it is this all over the world thousands of academic

over the world thousands of academic

over the world thousands of academic researchers each year are creating

researchers each year are creating

researchers each year are creating innovations now a certain number of

innovations now a certain number of

innovations now a certain number of those are disclosed to the technology

those are disclosed to the technology

those are disclosed to the technology transfer offices through invention

transfer offices through invention

transfer offices through invention disclosures another fraction of those

disclosures another fraction of those

disclosures another fraction of those about 15 to 25 percent of those are

about 15 to 25 percent of those are

about 15 to 25 percent of those are licensed to industry but only a few of

licensed to industry but only a few of

licensed to industry but only a few of those end up making it actually to be

those end up making it actually to be

those end up making it actually to be products that are sold and hope

products that are sold and hope

products that are sold and hope benefiting all of us so why is this so

benefiting all of us so why is this so

benefiting all of us so why is this so important because one of those

important because one of those

important because one of those innovations that’s not making it could

innovations that’s not making it could

innovations that’s not making it could be a cure for pancreatic cancer another

be a cure for pancreatic cancer another

be a cure for pancreatic cancer another one could be as simple as the better

one could be as simple as the better

one could be as simple as the better battery life for your cell phone imagine

battery life for your cell phone imagine

battery life for your cell phone imagine not having to charge your cell phone for

not having to charge your cell phone for

not having to charge your cell phone for a whole month not worrying about it and

a whole month not worrying about it and

a whole month not worrying about it and one of those innovations could be a

one of those innovations could be a

one of those innovations could be a solution to our current dependence on

solution to our current dependence on

solution to our current dependence on fossil fuels so I’m going to talk about

fossil fuels so I’m going to talk about

fossil fuels so I’m going to talk about tonight these attributes that I

tonight these attributes that I

tonight these attributes that I mentioned tonight from my experience at

mentioned tonight from my experience at

mentioned tonight from my experience at Stanford University’s office of

Stanford University’s office of

Stanford University’s office of technology licensing where I was for

technology licensing where I was for

technology licensing where I was for almost 20 years now a lot of people

almost 20 years now a lot of people

almost 20 years now a lot of people think that if you birth a technology at

think that if you birth a technology at

think that if you birth a technology at Stanford basically you haven’t made as

Stanford basically you haven’t made as

Stanford basically you haven’t made as exemplified in this this quote from a

exemplified in this this quote from a

exemplified in this this quote from a recent article that says if a researcher

recent article that says if a researcher

recent article that says if a researcher at Stanford University wants to create a

at Stanford University wants to create a

at Stanford University wants to create a spin-out all he or she needs to do is

spin-out all he or she needs to do is

spin-out all he or she needs to do is print the license scrunch it into a ball

print the license scrunch it into a ball

print the license scrunch it into a ball and check it out the window to the rabid

and check it out the window to the rabid

and check it out the window to the rabid pack of entrepreneurs and venture

pack of entrepreneurs and venture

pack of entrepreneurs and venture capitalists waiting below

capitalists waiting below

capitalists waiting below if only my job had been that easy it

if only my job had been that easy it

if only my job had been that easy it would have been so simple but believe me

would have been so simple but believe me

would have been so simple but believe me there was no rabid pack of entrepreneurs

there was no rabid pack of entrepreneurs

there was no rabid pack of entrepreneurs and venture capitalists waiting below my

and venture capitalists waiting below my

and venture capitalists waiting below my window a lot of technologies that

window a lot of technologies that

window a lot of technologies that Stanford struggled just like they do in

Stanford struggled just like they do in

Stanford struggled just like they do in other places in order to make it out of

other places in order to make it out of

other places in order to make it out of the void and into actual industry and

the void and into actual industry and

the void and into actual industry and then into commercial products and so I’m

then into commercial products and so I’m

then into commercial products and so I’m gonna talk about this the void and some

gonna talk about this the void and some

gonna talk about this the void and some attributes I saw in the void at Stanford

attributes I saw in the void at Stanford

attributes I saw in the void at Stanford particularly with regards to startups

particularly with regards to startups

particularly with regards to startups which are often a mechanism for making

which are often a mechanism for making

which are often a mechanism for making it out of the void so I’m going to give

it out of the void so I’m going to give

it out of the void so I’m going to give two examples and these are made up of

two examples and these are made up of

two examples and these are made up of different things I saw while I was at

different things I saw while I was at

different things I saw while I was at Stanford University so this is the first

Stanford University so this is the first

Stanford University so this is the first example and this it’s a dimension

example and this it’s a dimension

example and this it’s a dimension discovered from the laboratory of

discovered from the laboratory of

discovered from the laboratory of Professor close so professor close and

Professor close so professor close and

Professor close so professor close and some of the researchers are her

some of the researchers are her

some of the researchers are her laboratory find a really interesting

laboratory find a really interesting

laboratory find a really interesting innovation and they disclose it to the

innovation and they disclose it to the

innovation and they disclose it to the technology transfer office I read it

technology transfer office I read it

technology transfer office I read it over I’m really excited about this so I

over I’m really excited about this so I

over I’m really excited about this so I set up a meeting with them and we meet

set up a meeting with them and we meet

set up a meeting with them and we meet at the end of the meeting I’m even more

at the end of the meeting I’m even more

at the end of the meeting I’m even more excited about this particular innovation

excited about this particular innovation

excited about this particular innovation it’s a promising cancer therapeutic and

it’s a promising cancer therapeutic and

it’s a promising cancer therapeutic and I think wow this could really go

I think wow this could really go

I think wow this could really go somewhere

somewhere

somewhere at the end of the at the very end of the

at the end of the at the very end of the

at the end of the at the very end of the meeting professor close to ask the other

meeting professor close to ask the other

meeting professor close to ask the other researchers to leave and to her me to

researchers to leave and to her me to

researchers to leave and to her me to stay behind she closes the door and says

stay behind she closes the door and says

stay behind she closes the door and says I want to do a start-up around this

I want to do a start-up around this

I want to do a start-up around this technology not only that but I don’t

technology not only that but I don’t

technology not only that but I don’t want you to talk about the technology

want you to talk about the technology

want you to talk about the technology with anyone else I I really just want to

with anyone else I I really just want to

with anyone else I I really just want to take this myself

take this myself

take this myself I want to keep this secret for now and I

I want to keep this secret for now and I

I want to keep this secret for now and I want to take this for it and so now I’m

want to take this for it and so now I’m

want to take this for it and so now I’m starting to have some concerns she’s

starting to have some concerns she’s

starting to have some concerns she’s never done a start-up before and so I

never done a start-up before and so I

never done a start-up before and so I offer to introduce her to some different

offer to introduce her to some different

offer to introduce her to some different people around campus that potentially

people around campus that potentially

people around campus that potentially could help her with this there are

could help her with this there are

could help her with this there are different programs around campus that

different programs around campus that

different programs around campus that could help her she could meet advisers

could help her she could meet advisers

could help her she could meet advisers and potentially network to meet some

and potentially network to meet some

and potentially network to meet some individuals that will give her some

individuals that will give her some

individuals that will give her some advice about what to do she accepts some

advice about what to do she accepts some

advice about what to do she accepts some of the meetings but she doesn’t get much

of the meetings but she doesn’t get much

of the meetings but she doesn’t get much out of them because she’s not willing to

out of them because she’s not willing to

out of them because she’s not willing to talk much about what it is that she’s

talk much about what it is that she’s

talk much about what it is that she’s done she decides to go and hit to start

done she decides to go and hit to start

done she decides to go and hit to start pitching to entrepreneurs to start to

pitching to entrepreneurs to start to

pitching to entrepreneurs to start to different investors for to get capital

different investors for to get capital

different investors for to get capital for her venture but here she’s also she

for her venture but here she’s also she

for her venture but here she’s also she runs into some roadblocks because she

runs into some roadblocks because she

runs into some roadblocks because she wants them to sign confidentiality

wants them to sign confidentiality

wants them to sign confidentiality agreements again because she’s very

agreements again because she’s very

agreements again because she’s very being very secretive about what the

being very secretive about what the

being very secretive about what the invention is and investors are sometimes

invention is and investors are sometimes

invention is and investors are sometimes very reluctant to sign confidentiality

very reluctant to sign confidentiality

very reluctant to sign confidentiality agreements without knowing much about

agreements without knowing much about

agreements without knowing much about the invention and how it might interfere

the invention and how it might interfere

the invention and how it might interfere with other things that they’re looking

with other things that they’re looking

with other things that they’re looking at and so as often happens in this

at and so as often happens in this

at and so as often happens in this situations she gets frustrated and

situations she gets frustrated and

situations she gets frustrated and nothing ends up happening with the

nothing ends up happening with the

nothing ends up happening with the technology and with the startup and the

technology and with the startup and the

technology and with the startup and the innovation dies in this valley of

innovation dies in this valley of

innovation dies in this valley of innovation death so he now has a

innovation death so he now has a

innovation death so he now has a different story and that’s the story of

different story and that’s the story of

different story and that’s the story of Professor possibility in a recent and

Professor possibility in a recent and

Professor possibility in a recent and very similar situation where there is a

very similar situation where there is a

very similar situation where there is a technology that she and some of the

technology that she and some of the

technology that she and some of the graduates researchers in her lab

graduates researchers in her lab

graduates researchers in her lab discover I submit an invention

discover I submit an invention

discover I submit an invention disclosure tour office I read it over

disclosure tour office I read it over

disclosure tour office I read it over and once again I’m like yes this is

and once again I’m like yes this is

and once again I’m like yes this is something that’s really promising and I

something that’s really promising and I

something that’s really promising and I go and meet with them and I say I love

go and meet with them and I say I love

go and meet with them and I say I love this and and I learn about it and they

this and and I learn about it and they

this and and I learn about it and they say to me we want to start a company we

say to me we want to start a company we

say to me we want to start a company we want to start a company together around

want to start a company together around

want to start a company together around this technology not only that but we

this technology not only that but we

this technology not only that but we actually know someone who we think

actually know someone who we think

actually know someone who we think actually could help us with this as if

actually could help us with this as if

actually could help us with this as if a student from the lab who’s actually

a student from the lab who’s actually

a student from the lab who’s actually already gone on to a startup and knows a

already gone on to a startup and knows a

already gone on to a startup and knows a little bit about the field I offer again

little bit about the field I offer again

little bit about the field I offer again to introduce them to different resources

to introduce them to different resources

to introduce them to different resources around campus different advisors who

around campus different advisors who

around campus different advisors who potentially could help them with this

potentially could help them with this

potentially could help them with this they take those meetings and through

they take those meetings and through

they take those meetings and through those meetings they actually meet some

those meetings they actually meet some

those meetings they actually meet some potential funders so now they’re

potential funders so now they’re

potential funders so now they’re traveling down this road and they’re

traveling down this road and they’re

traveling down this road and they’re getting a lot of go signals they have a

getting a lot of go signals they have a

getting a lot of go signals they have a potential funder they’ve talked with

potential funder they’ve talked with

potential funder they’ve talked with this person at the company they’ve

this person at the company they’ve

this person at the company they’ve agreed to come as an intern CEO so they

agreed to come as an intern CEO so they

agreed to come as an intern CEO so they actually are looking like they might

actually are looking like they might

actually are looking like they might make it through this valley of

make it through this valley of

make it through this valley of innovation death but I don’t want to

innovation death but I don’t want to

innovation death but I don’t want to make it seem too rosy because even if

make it seem too rosy because even if

make it seem too rosy because even if something ends up making it out of the

something ends up making it out of the

something ends up making it out of the value of an of innovation death and into

value of an of innovation death and into

value of an of innovation death and into industry it doesn’t necessarily mean

industry it doesn’t necessarily mean

industry it doesn’t necessarily mean something is going to end up happening

something is going to end up happening

something is going to end up happening with it and being a product that

with it and being a product that

with it and being a product that benefits you and me but there’s a

benefits you and me but there’s a

benefits you and me but there’s a possibility that it will and that’s what

possibility that it will and that’s what

possibility that it will and that’s what you and I and all the investors and the

you and I and all the investors and the

you and I and all the investors and the world are counting on is that some of

world are counting on is that some of

world are counting on is that some of those are going to make it so I’ve given

those are going to make it so I’ve given

those are going to make it so I’ve given two stories here and I’ve given you some

two stories here and I’ve given you some

two stories here and I’ve given you some examples about what I think sometimes

examples about what I think sometimes

examples about what I think sometimes are the attributes that help these

are the attributes that help these

are the attributes that help these innovations through the valley of death

innovations through the valley of death

innovations through the valley of death valley of innovation death so one is

valley of innovation death so one is

valley of innovation death so one is obviously putting aside your paranoia

obviously putting aside your paranoia

obviously putting aside your paranoia and this can be very hard for

and this can be very hard for

and this can be very hard for researchers they want to keep things in

researchers they want to keep things in

researchers they want to keep things in because they don’t want something to

because they don’t want something to

because they don’t want something to steal their idea so that is very

steal their idea so that is very

steal their idea so that is very understandable but there has to be a

understandable but there has to be a

understandable but there has to be a certain amount of sharing that happens

certain amount of sharing that happens

certain amount of sharing that happens particularly after a patent application

particularly after a patent application

particularly after a patent application is filed and some of the protections are

is filed and some of the protections are

is filed and some of the protections are around the intellectual property that

around the intellectual property that

around the intellectual property that they’ve created at the university and so

they’ve created at the university and so

they’ve created at the university and so a part of a putting aside your paranoia

a part of a putting aside your paranoia

a part of a putting aside your paranoia is admitting that you need help

is admitting that you need help

is admitting that you need help academic researchers in general are

academic researchers in general are

academic researchers in general are wonderful at academic research but it

wonderful at academic research but it

wonderful at academic research but it doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re

doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re

doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re great at other things that are

great at other things that are

great at other things that are associated with getting the technology

associated with getting the technology

associated with getting the technology out of the void and that goes for

out of the void and that goes for

out of the void and that goes for fundraising being ceos of startup

fundraising being ceos of startup

fundraising being ceos of startup companies or other things that are

companies or other things that are

companies or other things that are associated with getting out at the void

associated with getting out at the void

associated with getting out at the void so admitting you need help and off your

so admitting you need help and off your

so admitting you need help and off your go getting going to get that help from

go getting going to get that help from

go getting going to get that help from your networks and relationships so

your networks and relationships so

your networks and relationships so another thing that you need to do

another thing that you need to do

another thing that you need to do as getting things out of the void is

as getting things out of the void is

as getting things out of the void is build your networks and relationships

build your networks and relationships

build your networks and relationships and that’s from the start of the in

and that’s from the start of the in

and that’s from the start of the in finding the innovation to doing take

finding the innovation to doing take

finding the innovation to doing take your technology to develop development

your technology to develop development

your technology to develop development building your business planned around

building your business planned around

building your business planned around getting the technology developed to

getting the technology developed to

getting the technology developed to pitching that to other other people and

pitching that to other other people and

pitching that to other other people and building those networks and

building those networks and

building those networks and relationships is often associated with

relationships is often associated with

relationships is often associated with your having a really good team around

your having a really good team around

your having a really good team around you this was talked about earlier as

you this was talked about earlier as

you this was talked about earlier as well your team is critical for these

well your team is critical for these

well your team is critical for these technologies to make it out of the void

technologies to make it out of the void

technologies to make it out of the void there was a recent survey that was done

there was a recent survey that was done

there was a recent survey that was done of hundreds of venture capitalists that

of hundreds of venture capitalists that

of hundreds of venture capitalists that talked about that asked the venture

talked about that asked the venture

talked about that asked the venture capitalist about what were the most

capitalist about what were the most

capitalist about what were the most important things that were associated

important things that were associated

important things that were associated with your successful investments and as

with your successful investments and as

with your successful investments and as you can see from this slide the most

you can see from this slide the most

you can see from this slide the most important thing associated with their

important thing associated with their

important thing associated with their successful investments were the team

successful investments were the team

successful investments were the team associated with that investment it was

associated with that investment it was

associated with that investment it was also the most important factor for their

also the most important factor for their

also the most important factor for their failed investments so having a good team

failed investments so having a good team

failed investments so having a good team around your technology is critical for

around your technology is critical for

around your technology is critical for it actually making it to success and

it actually making it to success and

it actually making it to success and again one of the things that can help

again one of the things that can help

again one of the things that can help these technologies get out of the void

these technologies get out of the void

these technologies get out of the void is obviously funds and programs the cash

is obviously funds and programs the cash

is obviously funds and programs the cash and the resources that we talked about

and the resources that we talked about

and the resources that we talked about earlier to get them out of the void and

earlier to get them out of the void and

earlier to get them out of the void and these are just some of the examples but

these are just some of the examples but

these are just some of the examples but there are hundreds around the of these

there are hundreds around the of these

there are hundreds around the of these around the United States of these

around the United States of these

around the United States of these programs that are allowing these

programs that are allowing these

programs that are allowing these technologies also to make it through the

technologies also to make it through the

technologies also to make it through the void so why is this so important again

void so why is this so important again

void so why is this so important again because there are hundreds examples of

because there are hundreds examples of

because there are hundreds examples of technologies and spinouts from

technologies and spinouts from

technologies and spinouts from universities and these are just some of

universities and these are just some of

universities and these are just some of them that you know of that are helping

them that you know of that are helping

them that you know of that are helping our society today but if you think about

our society today but if you think about

our society today but if you think about that first slide this first couple of

that first slide this first couple of

that first slide this first couple of slides where I show you the number of

slides where I show you the number of

slides where I show you the number of innovations that are happening at

innovations that are happening at

innovations that are happening at universities and that are not making it

universities and that are not making it

universities and that are not making it through that’s what’s really critical is

through that’s what’s really critical is

through that’s what’s really critical is that there are a bunch of these that

that there are a bunch of these that

that there are a bunch of these that aren’t making it that could be those

aren’t making it that could be those

aren’t making it that could be those things that are helping us so I hope

things that are helping us so I hope

things that are helping us so I hope I’ve given you some ideas that we can

I’ve given you some ideas that we can

I’ve given you some ideas that we can actually help make this void a fertile

actually help make this void a fertile

actually help make this void a fertile Oasis

Oasis

Oasis and I think that there are things that

and I think that there are things that

and I think that there are things that all of us can potentially do to help

all of us can potentially do to help

all of us can potentially do to help that happen be it from making

that happen be it from making

that happen be it from making introductions helping people overcome

introductions helping people overcome

introductions helping people overcome their paranoia knowing successful

their paranoia knowing successful

their paranoia knowing successful startup stories that can help provide

startup stories that can help provide

startup stories that can help provide examples for people to make it and

examples for people to make it and

examples for people to make it and understand how they could take their

understand how they could take their

understand how they could take their technologies through the void and I

technologies through the void and I

technologies through the void and I think this is so important because we

think this is so important because we

think this is so important because we are facing a lot of critical issues in

are facing a lot of critical issues in

are facing a lot of critical issues in the world today and these innovations

the world today and these innovations

the world today and these innovations are potential answers to all of those

are potential answers to all of those

are potential answers to all of those thank you very much

thank you very much

thank you very much [Applause]

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