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[Music] I’m gonna start with a survey how many

I’m gonna start with a survey how many

I’m gonna start with a survey how many of you consider yourselves analytical

of you consider yourselves analytical

of you consider yourselves analytical people raise your hands okay how many of

people raise your hands okay how many of

people raise your hands okay how many of you consider yourselves creative people

you consider yourselves creative people

you consider yourselves creative people raise your hands

raise your hands

raise your hands I’m impressed that’s good that’s good

I’m impressed that’s good that’s good

I’m impressed that’s good that’s good now how many consider yourselves both or

now how many consider yourselves both or

now how many consider yourselves both or think that’s a stupid question to begin

think that’s a stupid question to begin

think that’s a stupid question to begin with oh wow okay good no no put them

with oh wow okay good no no put them

with oh wow okay good no no put them back down again I was a little bit

back down again I was a little bit

back down again I was a little bit worried because I thought maybe there

worried because I thought maybe there

worried because I thought maybe there was no point to my talk but actually

was no point to my talk but actually

was no point to my talk but actually this is this is working out well okay I

this is this is working out well okay I

this is this is working out well okay I asked that question because it comes up

asked that question because it comes up

asked that question because it comes up a lot in the work that I do and I work

a lot in the work that I do and I work

a lot in the work that I do and I work at CERN as you heard in the introduction

at CERN as you heard in the introduction

at CERN as you heard in the introduction I’m a mechanical engineer and I work in

I’m a mechanical engineer and I work in

I’m a mechanical engineer and I work in this area that you see in the picture

this area that you see in the picture

this area that you see in the picture this is the inner detector of the Atlas

this is the inner detector of the Atlas

this is the inner detector of the Atlas experiment on the Large Hadron Collider

experiment on the Large Hadron Collider

experiment on the Large Hadron Collider and it’s complicated but what you need

and it’s complicated but what you need

and it’s complicated but what you need to know is that I work on something

to know is that I work on something

to know is that I work on something called the pixel detector and this is

called the pixel detector and this is

called the pixel detector and this is effectively the world’s most complex

effectively the world’s most complex

effectively the world’s most complex digital camera it takes 80 megapixel

digital camera it takes 80 megapixel

digital camera it takes 80 megapixel photos 40 million times every second and

photos 40 million times every second and

photos 40 million times every second and I’ve been working on this for about the

I’ve been working on this for about the

I’ve been working on this for about the past 17 years and during that time I

past 17 years and during that time I

past 17 years and during that time I started to get interested in other types

started to get interested in other types

started to get interested in other types of cameras actually so in fact I went

of cameras actually so in fact I went

of cameras actually so in fact I went and I did a master in film directing and

and I did a master in film directing and

and I did a master in film directing and I came back I actually didn’t never left

I came back I actually didn’t never left

I came back I actually didn’t never left CERN but I I took a period to

CERN but I I took a period to

CERN but I I took a period to concentrate a little bit on filmmaking

concentrate a little bit on filmmaking

concentrate a little bit on filmmaking and I came back and I founded with some

and I came back and I founded with some

and I came back and I founded with some other colleagues something called The

other colleagues something called The

other colleagues something called The Synagogue Film Festival which you may

Synagogue Film Festival which you may

Synagogue Film Festival which you may have heard of you may just know it as

have heard of you may just know it as

have heard of you may just know it as the film festival that’s at CERN and we

the film festival that’s at CERN and we

the film festival that’s at CERN and we received films from over a hundred

received films from over a hundred

received films from over a hundred countries around the world and they’re

countries around the world and they’re

countries around the world and they’re all inspired by science or technology in

all inspired by science or technology in

all inspired by science or technology in some way and what we try to do is to

some way and what we try to do is to

some way and what we try to do is to show the links between science and

show the links between science and

show the links between science and technology and society

technology and society

technology and society and I also got interested in the broader

and I also got interested in the broader

and I also got interested in the broader implications of all of this artistic

implications of all of this artistic

implications of all of this artistic practice and I started working with the

practice and I started working with the

practice and I started working with the arts at CERN program and was the

arts at CERN program and was the

arts at CERN program and was the scientific inspiration partner that’s a

scientific inspiration partner that’s a

scientific inspiration partner that’s a big sounding term basically the

big sounding term basically the

big sounding term basically the scientific partner of Yann Peters the

scientific partner of Yann Peters the

scientific partner of Yann Peters the filmmaker and residents that stayed with

filmmaker and residents that stayed with

filmmaker and residents that stayed with us for the better part of a year

us for the better part of a year

us for the better part of a year actually working with our team

actually working with our team

actually working with our team underground in the cavern day-to-day

underground in the cavern day-to-day

underground in the cavern day-to-day watching what we did

watching what we did

watching what we did asking questions feeding back and

asking questions feeding back and

asking questions feeding back and documenting the whole thing obviously as

documenting the whole thing obviously as

documenting the whole thing obviously as part of his artistic practice and so

part of his artistic practice and so

part of his artistic practice and so with these two different pursuits that I

with these two different pursuits that I

with these two different pursuits that I do I get a lot of questions and it used

do I get a lot of questions and it used

do I get a lot of questions and it used to be very simple people would say well

to be very simple people would say well

to be very simple people would say well how do you how do you manage to do all

how do you how do you manage to do all

how do you how do you manage to do all of that and so the first way interpreted

of that and so the first way interpreted

of that and so the first way interpreted that question was very literally said

that question was very literally said

that question was very literally said well yeah it’s true I I worked really

well yeah it’s true I I worked really

well yeah it’s true I I worked really late and you know on the weekends and

late and you know on the weekends and

late and you know on the weekends and stuff like that and my wife is often not

stuff like that and my wife is often not

stuff like that and my wife is often not very happy because I’m away a lot and

very happy because I’m away a lot and

very happy because I’m away a lot and they said no no how do you do two things

they said no no how do you do two things

they said no no how do you do two things that are complete opposites and I

that are complete opposites and I

that are complete opposites and I realized that idea of them being

realized that idea of them being

realized that idea of them being complete opposites that actually comes

complete opposites that actually comes

complete opposites that actually comes from something that has been very

from something that has been very

from something that has been very current in our kind of consciousness for

current in our kind of consciousness for

current in our kind of consciousness for the last several decades

the last several decades

the last several decades excuse me decades which is this idea of

excuse me decades which is this idea of

excuse me decades which is this idea of left-brain right-brain separation right

left-brain right-brain separation right

left-brain right-brain separation right that there’s an analytical side to your

that there’s an analytical side to your

that there’s an analytical side to your brain and if you follow the the drawing

brain and if you follow the the drawing

brain and if you follow the the drawing literally this artist clearly thinks oh

literally this artist clearly thinks oh

literally this artist clearly thinks oh that means lots of numbers and lots of

that means lots of numbers and lots of

that means lots of numbers and lots of graphs and shapes and stuff like that

graphs and shapes and stuff like that

graphs and shapes and stuff like that and if you’re creative you’re right

and if you’re creative you’re right

and if you’re creative you’re right brained then apparently you spill lots

brained then apparently you spill lots

brained then apparently you spill lots of paint on the table or something like

of paint on the table or something like

of paint on the table or something like that but you’re creative and the problem

that but you’re creative and the problem

that but you’re creative and the problem with this distinction between right

with this distinction between right

with this distinction between right brain and left brain I was worried I

brain and left brain I was worried I

brain and left brain I was worried I would get that wrong right brain and

would get that wrong right brain and

would get that wrong right brain and left brain is that it creates this idea

left brain is that it creates this idea

left brain is that it creates this idea of identity actually and so we don’t

of identity actually and so we don’t

of identity actually and so we don’t think of those as qualities we tend to

think of those as qualities we tend to

think of those as qualities we tend to think of them more as who we are so you

think of them more as who we are so you

think of them more as who we are so you might think if I am brainy or

might think if I am brainy or

might think if I am brainy or intelligent or I like numbers I’m

intelligent or I like numbers I’m

intelligent or I like numbers I’m analytical and I think with this I use

analytical and I think with this I use

analytical and I think with this I use this as my primary way of interacting

this as my primary way of interacting

this as my primary way of interacting the world and if you’re really creative

the world and if you’re really creative

the world and if you’re really creative and impulsive and you like to make stuff

and impulsive and you like to make stuff

and impulsive and you like to make stuff and things like that

and things like that

and things like that you might think I use my gut or my heart

you might think I use my gut or my heart

you might think I use my gut or my heart or my my feelings I’m not I’m not

or my my feelings I’m not I’m not

or my my feelings I’m not I’m not cerebral you know you might hear people

cerebral you know you might hear people

cerebral you know you might hear people say that again these are very much

say that again these are very much

say that again these are very much identities and the problem with

identities and the problem with

identities and the problem with identities is that they’re essentially

identities is that they’re essentially

identities is that they’re essentially categories right they put us in boxes

categories right they put us in boxes

categories right they put us in boxes and then we get the idea that if we’re

and then we get the idea that if we’re

and then we get the idea that if we’re in one box that it might be difficult to

in one box that it might be difficult to

in one box that it might be difficult to communicate with people in the other box

communicate with people in the other box

communicate with people in the other box okay and so this this concept

okay and so this this concept

okay and so this this concept essentially of right-brain left-brain

essentially of right-brain left-brain

essentially of right-brain left-brain it’s actually created this kind of

it’s actually created this kind of

it’s actually created this kind of society I like to say that’s divided

society I like to say that’s divided

society I like to say that’s divided into two halves I mean okay it’s not

into two halves I mean okay it’s not

into two halves I mean okay it’s not quite that simple obviously there’s more

quite that simple obviously there’s more

quite that simple obviously there’s more characteristics to people than just

characteristics to people than just

characteristics to people than just these two broad sort of categories but

these two broad sort of categories but

these two broad sort of categories but you know broadly speaking people kind of

you know broadly speaking people kind of

you know broadly speaking people kind of see themselves on one side of the other

see themselves on one side of the other

see themselves on one side of the other right and they’re really they’re

right and they’re really they’re

right and they’re really they’re inversions of each other okay and this

inversions of each other okay and this

inversions of each other okay and this is something that has transferred into

is something that has transferred into

is something that has transferred into the understanding of art and science

the understanding of art and science

the understanding of art and science being art is one thing science is

being art is one thing science is

being art is one thing science is another and they don’t cross and maybe

another and they don’t cross and maybe

another and they don’t cross and maybe if they do it’s only within certain

if they do it’s only within certain

if they do it’s only within certain extraordinary people actually it’s not

extraordinary people actually it’s not

extraordinary people actually it’s not something that’s kind of in all of us

something that’s kind of in all of us

something that’s kind of in all of us okay to one degree or another so this

okay to one degree or another so this

okay to one degree or another so this idea of life rain right rain it’s always

idea of life rain right rain it’s always

idea of life rain right rain it’s always something that it kind of didn’t sit

something that it kind of didn’t sit

something that it kind of didn’t sit well with me and I think a lot of people

well with me and I think a lot of people

well with me and I think a lot of people felt that way you know it’s it kind of

felt that way you know it’s it kind of

felt that way you know it’s it kind of sounds overly limiting this idea that

sounds overly limiting this idea that

sounds overly limiting this idea that there might be a physical block to

there might be a physical block to

there might be a physical block to actually using our entire capacity to

actually using our entire capacity to

actually using our entire capacity to both reason and create and this is one

both reason and create and this is one

both reason and create and this is one really really nice instance of where

really really nice instance of where

really really nice instance of where science actually backs up something that

science actually backs up something that

science actually backs up something that kind of feels like it’s right because

kind of feels like it’s right because

kind of feels like it’s right because actually this is wrong okay

actually this is wrong okay

actually this is wrong okay the left-brain right-brain idea isn’t

the left-brain right-brain idea isn’t

the left-brain right-brain idea isn’t real right all the research for the last

real right all the research for the last

real right all the research for the last 10 or so years and even maybe before

10 or so years and even maybe before

10 or so years and even maybe before that actually says that we use our

that actually says that we use our

that actually says that we use our entire brain okay for everything we do

entire brain okay for everything we do

entire brain okay for everything we do and especially if we want to be creative

and especially if we want to be creative

and especially if we want to be creative if we want

if we want

if we want to invent then we need to have access to

to invent then we need to have access to

to invent then we need to have access to both analysis of what’s exists bring in

both analysis of what’s exists bring in

both analysis of what’s exists bring in everything from outside see what it is

everything from outside see what it is

everything from outside see what it is figure out how it fits together and then

figure out how it fits together and then

figure out how it fits together and then jenis and then that creates the genesis

jenis and then that creates the genesis

jenis and then that creates the genesis of new ideas okay and so we use all of

of new ideas okay and so we use all of

of new ideas okay and so we use all of the areas of the brain to process this

the areas of the brain to process this

the areas of the brain to process this so what that really means is that we

so what that really means is that we

so what that really means is that we have actually a society okay that

have actually a society okay that

have actually a society okay that actually is composed of people that all

actually is composed of people that all

actually is composed of people that all have varying degrees of ability I’m not

have varying degrees of ability I’m not

have varying degrees of ability I’m not trying to say that everybody is as

trying to say that everybody is as

trying to say that everybody is as creative as everybody else that’s

creative as everybody else that’s

creative as everybody else that’s certainly not the case and it’s also not

certainly not the case and it’s also not

certainly not the case and it’s also not the case that everybody is as analytical

the case that everybody is as analytical

the case that everybody is as analytical as everybody else so when somebody says

as everybody else so when somebody says

as everybody else so when somebody says I’m not good with numbers

I’m not good with numbers

I’m not good with numbers that may be true okay it might not mean

that may be true okay it might not mean

that may be true okay it might not mean that they couldn’t be good with numbers

that they couldn’t be good with numbers

that they couldn’t be good with numbers but I can tell you one thing if they

but I can tell you one thing if they

but I can tell you one thing if they believe that they’re not good with

believe that they’re not good with

believe that they’re not good with numbers because that side of their brain

numbers because that side of their brain

numbers because that side of their brain doesn’t work then they are never going

doesn’t work then they are never going

doesn’t work then they are never going to be good with numbers and likewise if

to be good with numbers and likewise if

to be good with numbers and likewise if somebody believes the opposite about

somebody believes the opposite about

somebody believes the opposite about creativity they are never going to be

creativity they are never going to be

creativity they are never going to be creative if they don’t believe that that

creative if they don’t believe that that

creative if they don’t believe that that side of their brain works okay and so

side of their brain works okay and so

side of their brain works okay and so when we talk about doing collaborations

when we talk about doing collaborations

when we talk about doing collaborations between arts and science it’s important

between arts and science it’s important

between arts and science it’s important to note that the purpose is not to make

to note that the purpose is not to make

to note that the purpose is not to make one serve the other we don’t bring

one serve the other we don’t bring

one serve the other we don’t bring people who practice the Arts into a

people who practice the Arts into a

people who practice the Arts into a place like CERN so they can make pretty

place like CERN so they can make pretty

place like CERN so they can make pretty pictures this is a pretty picture but

pictures this is a pretty picture but

pictures this is a pretty picture but this is not art this is actually an

this is not art this is actually an

this is not art this is actually an event display okay of a real collision

event display okay of a real collision

event display okay of a real collision at Atlas and this is something we use to

at Atlas and this is something we use to

at Atlas and this is something we use to communicate it’s not something that we

communicate it’s not something that we

communicate it’s not something that we use for artistic expression and that’s

use for artistic expression and that’s

use for artistic expression and that’s not why we bring artists in they don’t

not why we bring artists in they don’t

not why we bring artists in they don’t create this we have professionals at

create this we have professionals at

create this we have professionals at CERN at other experiments that all are

CERN at other experiments that all are

CERN at other experiments that all are very very qualified at interpreting the

very very qualified at interpreting the

very very qualified at interpreting the data and turning it into things that

data and turning it into things that

data and turning it into things that people understand and they can

people understand and they can

people understand and they can communicate we bring artists in actually

communicate we bring artists in actually

communicate we bring artists in actually to have a dialogue to talk about

to have a dialogue to talk about

to have a dialogue to talk about practice and they may make beautiful

practice and they may make beautiful

practice and they may make beautiful things but the making of the things is

things but the making of the things is

things but the making of the things is not the purpose okay it’s not the

not the purpose okay it’s not the

not the purpose okay it’s not the artworks that are important in these

artworks that are important in these

artworks that are important in these collaborations

collaborations

collaborations it’s the examination of the artistic

it’s the examination of the artistic

it’s the examination of the artistic practice and the examination of the

practice and the examination of the

practice and the examination of the scientific practice and how they

scientific practice and how they

scientific practice and how they intersect that’s actually really

intersect that’s actually really

intersect that’s actually really important for us and so what we’re

important for us and so what we’re

important for us and so what we’re effectively doing is training this

effectively doing is training this

effectively doing is training this of artistic practice on the scientific

of artistic practice on the scientific

of artistic practice on the scientific practice we do and what does that do it

practice we do and what does that do it

practice we do and what does that do it gives meaning okay it helps us define

gives meaning okay it helps us define

gives meaning okay it helps us define what it means to do the work that we do

what it means to do the work that we do

what it means to do the work that we do it’s not always easy to capture that but

it’s not always easy to capture that but

it’s not always easy to capture that but this is really really important because

this is really really important because

this is really really important because in something like particle physics

in something like particle physics

in something like particle physics actually meaning is a big big question

actually meaning is a big big question

actually meaning is a big big question we are asking some questions that are so

we are asking some questions that are so

we are asking some questions that are so fundamental and so kind of

fundamental and so kind of

fundamental and so kind of earth-shattering that to just look at it

earth-shattering that to just look at it

earth-shattering that to just look at it from the numbers doesn’t really do it

from the numbers doesn’t really do it

from the numbers doesn’t really do it justice so you might ask artistically

justice so you might ask artistically

justice so you might ask artistically for example how will it all end well we

for example how will it all end well we

for example how will it all end well we can ask scientifically is the universe

can ask scientifically is the universe

can ask scientifically is the universe expanding and will it ever stop and

expanding and will it ever stop and

expanding and will it ever stop and putting these two together makes the

putting these two together makes the

putting these two together makes the question more meaningful for everybody

question more meaningful for everybody

question more meaningful for everybody on both sides

on both sides

on both sides likewise where do we come from the

likewise where do we come from the

likewise where do we come from the origin question well that’s simply how

origin question well that’s simply how

origin question well that’s simply how did matter form and then likewise are we

did matter form and then likewise are we

did matter form and then likewise are we alone in the universe this is probably

alone in the universe this is probably

alone in the universe this is probably the one that maybe troubles people the

the one that maybe troubles people the

the one that maybe troubles people the most actually and then actually

most actually and then actually

most actually and then actually unfortunately the scientific examination

unfortunately the scientific examination

unfortunately the scientific examination of that is maybe even more disconcerting

of that is maybe even more disconcerting

of that is maybe even more disconcerting is our universe the only one or do we

is our universe the only one or do we

is our universe the only one or do we live in one of a multitude of

live in one of a multitude of

live in one of a multitude of multiverses that that’s pretty scary

multiverses that that’s pretty scary

multiverses that that’s pretty scary actually so we won’t go down that road

actually so we won’t go down that road

actually so we won’t go down that road but um but this is clearly ripe for

but um but this is clearly ripe for

but um but this is clearly ripe for scientific as well as artistic

scientific as well as artistic

scientific as well as artistic exploration and of course there’s always

exploration and of course there’s always

exploration and of course there’s always the question that many artists have asks

the question that many artists have asks

the question that many artists have asks is there a God and the scientific

is there a God and the scientific

is there a God and the scientific interpretation of that would be probably

interpretation of that would be probably

interpretation of that would be probably is there a God actually because some

is there a God actually because some

is there a God actually because some questions are universal right and that’s

questions are universal right and that’s

questions are universal right and that’s really what I’m getting at here is that

really what I’m getting at here is that

really what I’m getting at here is that we’re asking essentially about the same

we’re asking essentially about the same

we’re asking essentially about the same things we’re just putting them together

things we’re just putting them together

things we’re just putting them together in slightly different ways and so when

in slightly different ways and so when

in slightly different ways and so when we take this lens of artistic practice

we take this lens of artistic practice

we take this lens of artistic practice and we look at our scientific practice

and we look at our scientific practice

and we look at our scientific practice we come up with actually some really

we come up with actually some really

we come up with actually some really really interesting things this is a

really interesting things this is a

really interesting things this is a pinhole camera photo done by Yann Peters

pinhole camera photo done by Yann Peters

pinhole camera photo done by Yann Peters of the Atlas experiment and this photo

of the Atlas experiment and this photo

of the Atlas experiment and this photo this is an analogue photo on a piece of

this is an analogue photo on a piece of

this is an analogue photo on a piece of photo paper I inverted it so it looks

photo paper I inverted it so it looks

photo paper I inverted it so it looks like a real picture

like a real picture

like a real picture this is a photo that took between 24 and

this is a photo that took between 24 and

this is a photo that took between 24 and 48 hours to take so this is like the

48 hours to take so this is like the

48 hours to take so this is like the world’s slowest analog photo of the

world’s slowest analog photo of the

world’s slowest analog photo of the world’s fastest digital camera that’s

world’s fastest digital camera that’s

world’s fastest digital camera that’s kind of cool right I mean I don’t know

kind of cool right I mean I don’t know

kind of cool right I mean I don’t know what really know why exactly but it is

what really know why exactly but it is

what really know why exactly but it is and then likewise if we turn that on its

and then likewise if we turn that on its

and then likewise if we turn that on its head a little bit what we have is this

head a little bit what we have is this

head a little bit what we have is this this is my semiconductor a duo a couple

this is my semiconductor a duo a couple

this is my semiconductor a duo a couple actually that’s been it started working

actually that’s been it started working

actually that’s been it started working at the aegis experiment and this is

at the aegis experiment and this is

at the aegis experiment and this is traces of antimatter through

traces of antimatter through

traces of antimatter through photographic emulsion that has been

photographic emulsion that has been

photographic emulsion that has been digitally animated so in this case the

digitally animated so in this case the

digitally animated so in this case the sensing medium of the scientific

sensing medium of the scientific

sensing medium of the scientific experiment is actually analog and the

experiment is actually analog and the

experiment is actually analog and the reason is because the digital sensors

reason is because the digital sensors

reason is because the digital sensors that we can grade are not accurate

that we can grade are not accurate

that we can grade are not accurate enough so they had to go back to

enough so they had to go back to

enough so they had to go back to photographic emulsion and then the

photographic emulsion and then the

photographic emulsion and then the artists through digital practice have

artists through digital practice have

artists through digital practice have taken this and made it into something

taken this and made it into something

taken this and made it into something animated and with life and again I don’t

animated and with life and again I don’t

animated and with life and again I don’t really know exactly what these things

really know exactly what these things

really know exactly what these things mean but I know that they make me feel

mean but I know that they make me feel

mean but I know that they make me feel differently about the way that I

differently about the way that I

differently about the way that I practice science and the engineering

practice science and the engineering

practice science and the engineering that it takes to get that science done

that it takes to get that science done

that it takes to get that science done and actually it just so happens that

and actually it just so happens that

and actually it just so happens that some things in science and engineering

some things in science and engineering

some things in science and engineering kind of follow some general rules that

kind of follow some general rules that

kind of follow some general rules that fit also in artistic practice like

fit also in artistic practice like

fit also in artistic practice like things that look ugly and inelegant

things that look ugly and inelegant

things that look ugly and inelegant probably aren’t done properly and when

probably aren’t done properly and when

probably aren’t done properly and when they are you can kind of tell this is

they are you can kind of tell this is

they are you can kind of tell this is something that is vitally important

something that is vitally important

something that is vitally important actually not only to theoretical

actually not only to theoretical

actually not only to theoretical physicists but also to engineers even to

physicists but also to engineers even to

physicists but also to engineers even to auto mechanics I mean to people doing

auto mechanics I mean to people doing

auto mechanics I mean to people doing anything that requires creativity and

anything that requires creativity and

anything that requires creativity and analysis some of this element of

analysis some of this element of

analysis some of this element of intuition is critical and of course we

intuition is critical and of course we

intuition is critical and of course we all need to express ourselves right this

all need to express ourselves right this

all need to express ourselves right this is an impromptu sketch obviously that

is an impromptu sketch obviously that

is an impromptu sketch obviously that was done on some of the cabling in Atlas

was done on some of the cabling in Atlas

was done on some of the cabling in Atlas you can find this on Google Streetview

you can find this on Google Streetview

you can find this on Google Streetview actually in fact but the serious point

actually in fact but the serious point

actually in fact but the serious point here is

here is

here is that it’s it’s not the artwork this

that it’s it’s not the artwork this

that it’s it’s not the artwork this doesn’t matter but what made it happen

doesn’t matter but what made it happen

doesn’t matter but what made it happen is what matters and so I leave you

is what matters and so I leave you

is what matters and so I leave you actually with this idea the combination

actually with this idea the combination

actually with this idea the combination of arts and science is not for corporate

of arts and science is not for corporate

of arts and science is not for corporate brainstorming sessions it’s not to make

brainstorming sessions it’s not to make

brainstorming sessions it’s not to make us create better widgets it’s not to get

us create better widgets it’s not to get

us create better widgets it’s not to get to the bottom line okay it’s to ask

to the bottom line okay it’s to ask

to the bottom line okay it’s to ask fundamental questions and this was

fundamental questions and this was

fundamental questions and this was captured beautifully by one of my

captured beautifully by one of my

captured beautifully by one of my favorite theoretical physicists Savas

favorite theoretical physicists Savas

favorite theoretical physicists Savas Demopolis when he was interviewed for

Demopolis when he was interviewed for

Demopolis when he was interviewed for the film particle fever and he said why

the film particle fever and he said why

the film particle fever and he said why do we do science why do we do art the

do we do science why do we do art the

do we do science why do we do art the things that are the least important for

things that are the least important for

things that are the least important for our survival are the very things that

our survival are the very things that

our survival are the very things that make us human thank you

make us human thank you

make us human thank you [Applause]

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