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Strong and free: Setting the tone for tough conversations | Deborah Saucier | TEDxMacEwanU


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[Music] it’s Canada’s moment in the world and

it’s Canada’s moment in the world and

it’s Canada’s moment in the world and I’ve heard this at more than one

I’ve heard this at more than one

I’ve heard this at more than one institution more than one setting in the

institution more than one setting in the

institution more than one setting in the last few months in the last few weeks

last few months in the last few weeks

last few months in the last few weeks especially but I want to start the

especially but I want to start the

especially but I want to start the conversation with wondering why that is

conversation with wondering why that is

conversation with wondering why that is Canada is absolutely one of the most

Canada is absolutely one of the most

Canada is absolutely one of the most beautiful places in the world but I

beautiful places in the world but I

beautiful places in the world but I don’t think that’s news to anyone

don’t think that’s news to anyone

don’t think that’s news to anyone particularly in this room our national

particularly in this room our national

particularly in this room our national animal majestic yes but hardly the

animal majestic yes but hardly the

animal majestic yes but hardly the object of global envy our art our

object of global envy our art our

object of global envy our art our architecture our literature our science

architecture our literature our science

architecture our literature our science and engineering have all received

and engineering have all received

and engineering have all received international recognition but I don’t

international recognition but I don’t

international recognition but I don’t think that’s it either it’s our food and

think that’s it either it’s our food and

think that’s it either it’s our food and drink except that when I’m traveling a

drink except that when I’m traveling a

drink except that when I’m traveling a lot of my friends who are not Canadian

lot of my friends who are not Canadian

lot of my friends who are not Canadian suggests that our cuisine is based on

suggests that our cuisine is based on

suggests that our cuisine is based on food that looks like it’s mostly a dare

food that looks like it’s mostly a dare

food that looks like it’s mostly a dare I would argue that although all of these

I would argue that although all of these

I would argue that although all of these are part of our national psyche what

are part of our national psyche what

are part of our national psyche what make what is making Canada’s moment in

make what is making Canada’s moment in

make what is making Canada’s moment in the world is our values our charter

the world is our values our charter

the world is our values our charter enshrines a number of values including

enshrines a number of values including

enshrines a number of values including free speech freedom of the press

free speech freedom of the press

free speech freedom of the press language rights and indigenous rights

language rights and indigenous rights

language rights and indigenous rights and I’m going to speak this evening

and I’m going to speak this evening

and I’m going to speak this evening about the indispensable role that

about the indispensable role that

about the indispensable role that universities play in the transmission of

universities play in the transmission of

universities play in the transmission of these values and how they promote the

these values and how they promote the

these values and how they promote the development of ethical citizens who

development of ethical citizens who

development of ethical citizens who debate the values and by doing so extend

debate the values and by doing so extend

debate the values and by doing so extend them most of us when we think about

them most of us when we think about

them most of us when we think about universities think about discovering

universities think about discovering

universities think about discovering innovation the research agenda that

innovation the research agenda that

innovation the research agenda that universities have how our scholarly and

universities have how our scholarly and

universities have how our scholarly and creative work and practice make our

creative work and practice make our

creative work and practice make our country better make our communities

country better make our communities

country better make our communities better and build the very things that we

better and build the very things that we

better and build the very things that we value in community we also tend to think

value in community we also tend to think

value in community we also tend to think about how universities work to teach our

about how universities work to teach our

about how universities work to teach our students and adults about our creative

students and adults about our creative

students and adults about our creative pieces that will teach people to become

pieces that will teach people to become

pieces that will teach people to become a

a

a kurz creators and doers and how these

kurz creators and doers and how these

kurz creators and doers and how these makers creators and doers make our

makers creators and doers make our

makers creators and doers make our communities richer and build them into

communities richer and build them into

communities richer and build them into from the inside out I would argue though

from the inside out I would argue though

from the inside out I would argue though that the single and most simple thing

that the single and most simple thing

that the single and most simple thing that universities do is enable the

that universities do is enable the

that universities do is enable the development of ethical citizens these

development of ethical citizens these

development of ethical citizens these citizens exemplify the Charter and

citizens exemplify the Charter and

citizens exemplify the Charter and commit and they exemplify the

commit and they exemplify the

commit and they exemplify the University’s commitment to diversity

University’s commitment to diversity

University’s commitment to diversity equity and inclusion much of the public

equity and inclusion much of the public

equity and inclusion much of the public discourse is about research teaching

discourse is about research teaching

discourse is about research teaching jobs I’d like to shift that discourse to

jobs I’d like to shift that discourse to

jobs I’d like to shift that discourse to talk about values about how universities

talk about values about how universities

talk about values about how universities fundamentally support our Charter values

fundamentally support our Charter values

fundamentally support our Charter values and how the values of diversity equity

and how the values of diversity equity

and how the values of diversity equity and inclusion result in resilient

and inclusion result in resilient

and inclusion result in resilient communities that are the result of

communities that are the result of

communities that are the result of ethical citizens working together and

ethical citizens working together and

ethical citizens working together and debating together and man I can tell you

debating together and man I can tell you

debating together and man I can tell you University’s debate we debate and then

University’s debate we debate and then

University’s debate we debate and then we debate about the debate and then we

we debate about the debate and then we

we debate about the debate and then we have a debate about that debate often

have a debate about that debate often

have a debate about that debate often our debates are only about things that

our debates are only about things that

our debates are only about things that are interest to ourselves but often

are interest to ourselves but often

are interest to ourselves but often universities debate hard ideas difficult

universities debate hard ideas difficult

universities debate hard ideas difficult ideas ideas that are distasteful to some

ideas ideas that are distasteful to some

ideas ideas that are distasteful to some academic freedom and free and open

academic freedom and free and open

academic freedom and free and open debate are at the heart of what

debate are at the heart of what

debate are at the heart of what universities do and they make us all

universities do and they make us all

universities do and they make us all richer for that it is one of the central

richer for that it is one of the central

richer for that it is one of the central ways in which we uphold our Charter

ways in which we uphold our Charter

ways in which we uphold our Charter values and make for a stronger Canada

values and make for a stronger Canada

values and make for a stronger Canada and we must protect our ability to

and we must protect our ability to

and we must protect our ability to engage in these conversations and

engage in these conversations and

engage in these conversations and protect the freedom of universities to

protect the freedom of universities to

protect the freedom of universities to engage in this research scholarly work

engage in this research scholarly work

engage in this research scholarly work and creative practice to challenge the

and creative practice to challenge the

and creative practice to challenge the status quo regardless of whether we are

status quo regardless of whether we are

status quo regardless of whether we are uncomfortable with it or if it makes us

uncomfortable with it or if it makes us

uncomfortable with it or if it makes us squishy that’s a technical term that

squishy that’s a technical term that

squishy that’s a technical term that these ideas inform our teaching is vital

these ideas inform our teaching is vital

these ideas inform our teaching is vital and allow us to inform our students

and allow us to inform our students

and allow us to inform our students about the points of disagreement among

about the points of disagreement among

about the points of disagreement among our communities about the variety of

our communities about the variety of

our communities about the variety of viewpoints they’re in and giving them

viewpoints they’re in and giving them

viewpoints they’re in and giving them the skills they need to make up their

the skills they need to make up their

the skills they need to make up their own minds and set their own tone for

own minds and set their own tone for

own minds and set their own tone for their own lives but too often

their own lives but too often

their own lives but too often universities and elsewhere the

universities and elsewhere the

universities and elsewhere the respectful and civil discussion of

respectful and civil discussion of

respectful and civil discussion of difficult ideas is not reported and

difficult ideas is not reported and

difficult ideas is not reported and instead the focus is on disruption

instead the focus is on disruption

instead the focus is on disruption leading some people to think that free

leading some people to think that free

leading some people to think that free speech is under attack at universities

speech is under attack at universities

speech is under attack at universities and maybe it is at some universities in

and maybe it is at some universities in

and maybe it is at some universities in some countries I would suggest that this

some countries I would suggest that this

some countries I would suggest that this perspective is a misunderstanding

perspective is a misunderstanding

perspective is a misunderstanding resulting from the reporting of events

resulting from the reporting of events

resulting from the reporting of events and how we engage with the communities

and how we engage with the communities

and how we engage with the communities that surround us let’s be honest we live

that surround us let’s be honest we live

that surround us let’s be honest we live in a post truth world one that has a

in a post truth world one that has a

in a post truth world one that has a viewpoint that not only are people

viewpoint that not only are people

viewpoint that not only are people entitled to their opinions but they’re

entitled to their opinions but they’re

entitled to their opinions but they’re entitled to their own facts

too often we judge debates by whom the

too often we judge debates by whom the pundits said one and how they fit with

pundits said one and how they fit with

pundits said one and how they fit with our own worldview I know that I’m guilty

our own worldview I know that I’m guilty

our own worldview I know that I’m guilty of that but this isn’t a popularity

of that but this isn’t a popularity

of that but this isn’t a popularity contest not in academia one of the

contest not in academia one of the

contest not in academia one of the biggest challenges that have come and

biggest challenges that have come and

biggest challenges that have come and changes that come in society come from

changes that come in society come from

changes that come in society come from people who stand on the sidelines who

people who stand on the sidelines who

people who stand on the sidelines who use their values to say I think this is

use their values to say I think this is

use their values to say I think this is wrong and I think we need to change an

wrong and I think we need to change an

wrong and I think we need to change an academic debate the value is not in

academic debate the value is not in

academic debate the value is not in winning or losing it’s in how you listen

winning or losing it’s in how you listen

winning or losing it’s in how you listen to others how you format your argument

to others how you format your argument

to others how you format your argument and how that argument may change the

and how that argument may change the

and how that argument may change the mind of other people and yourself this

mind of other people and yourself this

mind of other people and yourself this is how the university supports the

is how the university supports the

is how the university supports the Charter and builds communities by

Charter and builds communities by

Charter and builds communities by providing a place like here tonight to

providing a place like here tonight to

providing a place like here tonight to have free and respectful exchange of

have free and respectful exchange of

have free and respectful exchange of ideas too often we see ad hominem

ideas too often we see ad hominem

ideas too often we see ad hominem attacks appeals to populism and the like

attacks appeals to populism and the like

attacks appeals to populism and the like in Yan Verner Mueller’s book what is

in Yan Verner Mueller’s book what is

in Yan Verner Mueller’s book what is populism he argues that people often

populism he argues that people often

populism he argues that people often wouldn’t use the argument of populism

wouldn’t use the argument of populism

wouldn’t use the argument of populism just without defining it very well and

just without defining it very well and

just without defining it very well and using it as a term that loosely

using it as a term that loosely

using it as a term that loosely encapsulates a an idea that evokes the

encapsulates a an idea that evokes the

encapsulates a an idea that evokes the idea that ordinary people are taking

idea that ordinary people are taking

idea that ordinary people are taking power back from elites but too often

power back from elites but too often

power back from elites but too often populism is used to devalue the rights

populism is used to devalue the rights

populism is used to devalue the rights of others to speak the to devalue the

of others to speak the to devalue the

of others to speak the to devalue the legitimate dissemination of ideas of

legitimate dissemination of ideas of

legitimate dissemination of ideas of others this is contrary to the values of

others this is contrary to the values of

others this is contrary to the values of this institution the values of Edmonton

this institution the values of Edmonton

this institution the values of Edmonton and the values of Canada I will say this

and the values of Canada I will say this

and the values of Canada I will say this often I’m asked to give my own opinion

often I’m asked to give my own opinion

often I’m asked to give my own opinion about what is going on in political or

about what is going on in political or

about what is going on in political or social venues I try not to not because I

social venues I try not to not because I

social venues I try not to not because I don’t have an opinion I absolutely do

don’t have an opinion I absolutely do

don’t have an opinion I absolutely do and many of the things that happen

and many of the things that happen

and many of the things that happen dismay me but because someone who’s done

dismay me but because someone who’s done

dismay me but because someone who’s done quite a little bit of research in

quite a little bit of research in

quite a little bit of research in psychology over the years I tend to know

psychology over the years I tend to know

psychology over the years I tend to know that an opinion as a president tends to

that an opinion as a president tends to

that an opinion as a president tends to stifle the opinions of others and not

stifle the opinions of others and not

stifle the opinions of others and not allow the kinds of discourse that I want

allow the kinds of discourse that I want

allow the kinds of discourse that I want to encourage to happen I would

to encourage to happen I would

to encourage to happen I would respectfully posit as well as you’ve

respectfully posit as well as you’ve

respectfully posit as well as you’ve seen tonight there are many other

seen tonight there are many other

seen tonight there are many other scholars in our myths who are far better

scholars in our myths who are far better

scholars in our myths who are far better positioned to give opinions that are

positioned to give opinions that are

positioned to give opinions that are founded in their own research and

founded in their own research and

founded in their own research and scholarly work than myself it’s my job

scholarly work than myself it’s my job

scholarly work than myself it’s my job as the president to make sure they have

as the president to make sure they have

as the president to make sure they have that forum to defend their right to do

that forum to defend their right to do

that forum to defend their right to do that research and to ensure that they

that research and to ensure that they

that research and to ensure that they provide you with the information so that

provide you with the information so that

provide you with the information so that you can make up your own mind on these

you can make up your own mind on these

you can make up your own mind on these opinions and planned positions that

opinions and planned positions that

opinions and planned positions that being said unlike our neighbors to the

being said unlike our neighbors to the

being said unlike our neighbors to the south Canada has laws about what

south Canada has laws about what

south Canada has laws about what constitutes hate speech hate speech I’m

constitutes hate speech hate speech I’m

constitutes hate speech hate speech I’m not a legal scholar hate speech is that

not a legal scholar hate speech is that

not a legal scholar hate speech is that which promotes genocide or promotes

which promotes genocide or promotes

which promotes genocide or promotes hatred towards identifiable groups thus

hatred towards identifiable groups thus

hatred towards identifiable groups thus universities must stand for the legal

universities must stand for the legal

universities must stand for the legal freedom of speech thus I would argue

freedom of speech thus I would argue

freedom of speech thus I would argue though – we need to understand that all

though – we need to understand that all

though – we need to understand that all distasteful and ideas that make us maybe

distasteful and ideas that make us maybe

distasteful and ideas that make us maybe uncomfortable or offend us may not

uncomfortable or offend us may not

uncomfortable or offend us may not actually cross the line into hate speech

actually cross the line into hate speech

actually cross the line into hate speech and there will be times when

and there will be times when

and there will be times when universities have to engage in debate

universities have to engage in debate

universities have to engage in debate about those topics – if these positions

about those topics – if these positions

about those topics – if these positions challenge preconceptions and move across

challenge preconceptions and move across

challenge preconceptions and move across disciplinary borders so much the better

disciplinary borders so much the better

disciplinary borders so much the better as sort of an offside comment I think

as sort of an offside comment I think

as sort of an offside comment I think that the big challenges of today’s

that the big challenges of today’s

that the big challenges of today’s society will require transdisciplinary

society will require transdisciplinary

society will require transdisciplinary approaches to do so so these kinds of

approaches to do so so these kinds of

approaches to do so so these kinds of conversations actually move us in a

conversations actually move us in a

conversations actually move us in a direction that is also consistent with

direction that is also consistent with

direction that is also consistent with the values of a university finally well

the values of a university finally well

the values of a university finally well not quite finally but however we don’t

not quite finally but however we don’t

not quite finally but however we don’t arrive at university with a with a full

arrive at university with a with a full

arrive at university with a with a full debate toolkit I know that I sure don’t

debate toolkit I know that I sure don’t

debate toolkit I know that I sure don’t have them some days to engage with those

have them some days to engage with those

have them some days to engage with those who have very different perspectives and

who have very different perspectives and

who have very different perspectives and realities than I

realities than I

realities than I than we do and to engage in

than we do and to engage in

than we do and to engage in conversations that are hard and

conversations that are hard and

conversations that are hard and challenging about sensitive topics we

challenging about sensitive topics we

challenging about sensitive topics we need to use the opportunities we have at

need to use the opportunities we have at

need to use the opportunities we have at universities to educate our students and

universities to educate our students and

universities to educate our students and ourselves about ways in which we can

ourselves about ways in which we can

ourselves about ways in which we can engage others in these conversations so

engage others in these conversations so

engage others in these conversations so that we can fully fully examine them

that we can fully fully examine them

that we can fully fully examine them from all perspectives to come to a true

from all perspectives to come to a true

from all perspectives to come to a true Canadian perspective on them the last

Canadian perspective on them the last

Canadian perspective on them the last thing I’d like to touch on though is I

thing I’d like to touch on though is I

thing I’d like to touch on though is I wonder sometimes if as Canadians we are

wonder sometimes if as Canadians we are

wonder sometimes if as Canadians we are too reserved to engage in the types of

too reserved to engage in the types of

too reserved to engage in the types of conversations I’ve said I’ve been in too

conversations I’ve said I’ve been in too

conversations I’ve said I’ve been in too many meetings where they have been

many meetings where they have been

many meetings where they have been dominated by one viewpoint only to find

dominated by one viewpoint only to find

dominated by one viewpoint only to find out afterwards that the majority

out afterwards that the majority

out afterwards that the majority viewpoint was not the same as that and

viewpoint was not the same as that and

viewpoint was not the same as that and many people remained silent indeed we

many people remained silent indeed we

many people remained silent indeed we have a number of examples globally where

have a number of examples globally where

have a number of examples globally where I suspect many people and the majority

I suspect many people and the majority

I suspect many people and the majority are silent and only a small minority of

are silent and only a small minority of

are silent and only a small minority of people are expressing an opinion

people are expressing an opinion

people are expressing an opinion I urge each and every one of you to

I urge each and every one of you to

I urge each and every one of you to stand up to use the rights and freedoms

stand up to use the rights and freedoms

stand up to use the rights and freedoms that we have from the Charter to engage

that we have from the Charter to engage

that we have from the Charter to engage in expressing your opinion it is

in expressing your opinion it is

in expressing your opinion it is worthwhile so if we are to remain strong

worthwhile so if we are to remain strong

worthwhile so if we are to remain strong and free as universities and communities

and free as universities and communities

and free as universities and communities to advance the Canadian agenda and to

to advance the Canadian agenda and to

to advance the Canadian agenda and to remain in Canada’s moment in the world

remain in Canada’s moment in the world

remain in Canada’s moment in the world we need to ensure that universities are

we need to ensure that universities are

we need to ensure that universities are able to focus on free and respectful

able to focus on free and respectful

able to focus on free and respectful discourse about hard topics allowing us

discourse about hard topics allowing us

discourse about hard topics allowing us to develop as ethical citizens and

to develop as ethical citizens and

to develop as ethical citizens and communities which in my opinion is our

communities which in my opinion is our

communities which in my opinion is our most important job and the results of

most important job and the results of

most important job and the results of which you’ve seen tonight thank you

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