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What school could be, should be, and almost never is | Steve Hughes | TEDxPragueED


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good evening tonight I’m going to talk

good evening tonight I’m going to talk about how you build a brain and I’m also

about how you build a brain and I’m also

about how you build a brain and I’m also gonna talk about the role that education

gonna talk about the role that education

gonna talk about the role that education may or may not play in that but before I

may or may not play in that but before I

may or may not play in that but before I start I’d like you to please take a

start I’d like you to please take a

start I’d like you to please take a moment turn to someone next to you and

moment turn to someone next to you and

moment turn to someone next to you and tell them please what grades you got on

tell them please what grades you got on

tell them please what grades you got on your metoo dieta

okay that has to be enough time you’d

okay that has to be enough time you’d have to have already finished it

you know you can stop now I want you to

you know you can stop now I want you to stop

stop

stop we’re losing control of the audience

we’re losing control of the audience

we’re losing control of the audience okay now the reason I asked you the

okay now the reason I asked you the

okay now the reason I asked you the reason I asked you to do that the reason

reason I asked you to do that the reason

reason I asked you to do that the reason I asked you to do that

I asked you to do that

I asked you to do that is I wanted to remind you of how

is I wanted to remind you of how

is I wanted to remind you of how important that was at one point in your

important that was at one point in your

important that was at one point in your life and of course you know you did the

life and of course you know you did the

life and of course you know you did the work necessary to presumably get good

work necessary to presumably get good

work necessary to presumably get good grades on your maturity and then you

grades on your maturity and then you

grades on your maturity and then you went off to university and you realize

went off to university and you realize

went off to university and you realize that all that work that you had done to

that all that work that you had done to

that all that work that you had done to get those good marks on the maturities I

get those good marks on the maturities I

get those good marks on the maturities I had contributed nothing to your ability

had contributed nothing to your ability

had contributed nothing to your ability to do well at university because doing

to do well at university because doing

to do well at university because doing well at university requires an entirely

well at university requires an entirely

well at university requires an entirely different set of skills then getting

different set of skills then getting

different set of skills then getting good marks on a test and in fact doing

good marks on a test and in fact doing

good marks on a test and in fact doing well at your career also has nothing to

well at your career also has nothing to

well at your career also has nothing to do with that and you may have found once

do with that and you may have found once

do with that and you may have found once you began your career that also had

you began your career that also had

you began your career that also had fairly little to do with what you’d

fairly little to do with what you’d

fairly little to do with what you’d studied at University in fact the things

studied at University in fact the things

studied at University in fact the things that we do in school in conventional

that we do in school in conventional

that we do in school in conventional school typically contribute very little

school typically contribute very little

school typically contribute very little to what we need to do what we need to

to what we need to do what we need to

to what we need to do what we need to know or the capabilities that we need to

know or the capabilities that we need to

know or the capabilities that we need to be successful at life

be successful at life

be successful at life you don’t need good marks to do well in

you don’t need good marks to do well in

you don’t need good marks to do well in the world

the world

the world what you need is simple what you need is

what you need is simple what you need is

what you need is simple what you need is you need this you need this yeah that’s

you need this you need this yeah that’s

you need this you need this yeah that’s what you need

well thank you good night yeah thank you

well thank you good night yeah thank you for that okay no yeah this is what you

for that okay no yeah this is what you

for that okay no yeah this is what you need you need to have a brain a brain

need you need to have a brain a brain

need you need to have a brain a brain that works well and so you’re probably

that works well and so you’re probably

that works well and so you’re probably familiar with this kind of an image of

familiar with this kind of an image of

familiar with this kind of an image of the brain maybe you’ve seen maybe you’ve

the brain maybe you’ve seen maybe you’ve

the brain maybe you’ve seen maybe you’ve seen an image like this one have you

seen an image like this one have you

seen an image like this one have you ever seen an image like this yeah these

ever seen an image like this yeah these

ever seen an image like this yeah these are the connections within the brain

are the connections within the brain

are the connections within the brain right okay so let me show you another

right okay so let me show you another

right okay so let me show you another picture of the brain what you’re looking

picture of the brain what you’re looking

picture of the brain what you’re looking at here is actually how the brain

at here is actually how the brain

at here is actually how the brain matures over from early childhood until

matures over from early childhood until

matures over from early childhood until adulthood and the part that’s turning

adulthood and the part that’s turning

adulthood and the part that’s turning blue that’s brain that’s maturing and

blue that’s brain that’s maturing and

blue that’s brain that’s maturing and it’s becoming functional and it is

it’s becoming functional and it is

it’s becoming functional and it is through the process of experiences in

through the process of experiences in

through the process of experiences in the environment experiences in real in

the environment experiences in real in

the environment experiences in real in the real world that the brain builds

the real world that the brain builds

the real world that the brain builds itself in fact you probably know because

itself in fact you probably know because

itself in fact you probably know because you’re a sophisticated audience that

you’re a sophisticated audience that

you’re a sophisticated audience that brain development is experience

brain development is experience

brain development is experience dependent you understand what I mean by

dependent you understand what I mean by

dependent you understand what I mean by that experience dependent not all

that experience dependent not all

that experience dependent not all experiences contribute to the

experiences contribute to the

experiences contribute to the development of the brain to begin to

development of the brain to begin to

development of the brain to begin to talk about the kinds of experiences that

talk about the kinds of experiences that

talk about the kinds of experiences that do help build the brain I have to show

do help build the brain I have to show

do help build the brain I have to show you one more brain picture yeah what is

you one more brain picture yeah what is

you one more brain picture yeah what is that this is your brains version of your

that this is your brains version of your

that this is your brains version of your body okay how your brain is constructed

body okay how your brain is constructed

body okay how your brain is constructed the architecture of your brain has a

the architecture of your brain has a

the architecture of your brain has a dramatic over representation of the

dramatic over representation of the

dramatic over representation of the hands because in fact the reason that

hands because in fact the reason that

hands because in fact the reason that you have a brain is so that your body

you have a brain is so that your body

you have a brain is so that your body can interact it can live in the world in

can interact it can live in the world in

can interact it can live in the world in fact the reason we evolved a brain was

fact the reason we evolved a brain was

fact the reason we evolved a brain was because well frankly anything that

because well frankly anything that

because well frankly anything that anything that moves that needs to eat or

anything that moves that needs to eat or

anything that moves that needs to eat or can be eaten needs to figure out what

can be eaten needs to figure out what

can be eaten needs to figure out what it’s going to do needs in order to

it’s going to do needs in order to

it’s going to do needs in order to survive it needs to know should I move

survive it needs to know should I move

survive it needs to know should I move over there to get that food source

over there to get that food source

over there to get that food source should I go over there to avoid being

should I go over there to avoid being

should I go over there to avoid being eaten or should I do something else in

eaten or should I do something else in

eaten or should I do something else in fact the purpose of the brain is to

fact the purpose of the brain is to

fact the purpose of the brain is to control behavior and the brain is

control behavior and the brain is

control behavior and the brain is controlling the behavior of that guy

controlling the behavior of that guy

controlling the behavior of that guy okay that’s how it works and for the

okay that’s how it works and for the

okay that’s how it works and for the brain to build itself that guy needs to

brain to build itself that guy needs to

brain to build itself that guy needs to engage in a certain kind of activity now

engage in a certain kind of activity now

engage in a certain kind of activity now we just ended the show

we just ended the show

we just ended the show that happen yeah okay that guy needs to

that happen yeah okay that guy needs to

that happen yeah okay that guy needs to engage in a certain kind of activity

engage in a certain kind of activity

engage in a certain kind of activity this kind of activity and I know it’s a

this kind of activity and I know it’s a

this kind of activity and I know it’s a lot of words so I’m gonna say with me

lot of words so I’m gonna say with me

lot of words so I’m gonna say with me all right listen as I said that guy

all right listen as I said that guy

all right listen as I said that guy needs to engage in motivated effortful

needs to engage in motivated effortful

needs to engage in motivated effortful repeated trial-and-error experimental

repeated trial-and-error experimental

repeated trial-and-error experimental interactions with the environment and

interactions with the environment and

interactions with the environment and that’s how the brain builds itself and

that’s how the brain builds itself and

that’s how the brain builds itself and in fact it’s the only way the brain

in fact it’s the only way the brain

in fact it’s the only way the brain builds itself in fact if you ever wanted

builds itself in fact if you ever wanted

builds itself in fact if you ever wanted to learn a musical instrument you had to

to learn a musical instrument you had to

to learn a musical instrument you had to care enough about learning that musical

care enough about learning that musical

care enough about learning that musical instrument to stay motivated to apply

instrument to stay motivated to apply

instrument to stay motivated to apply the effort to engage in the repeated

the effort to engage in the repeated

the effort to engage in the repeated over and over trial and error

over and over trial and error

over and over trial and error experimental interactions with the

experimental interactions with the

experimental interactions with the environment because when we do this kind

environment because when we do this kind

environment because when we do this kind of activity it’s like barbells for the

of activity it’s like barbells for the

of activity it’s like barbells for the brain the brain is a muscle kind of and

brain the brain is a muscle kind of and

brain the brain is a muscle kind of and like building any muscle you’ve got to

like building any muscle you’ve got to

like building any muscle you’ve got to exercise it and you’ve got to push it as

exercise it and you’ve got to push it as

exercise it and you’ve got to push it as it builds muscle and that’s how you’d

it builds muscle and that’s how you’d

it builds muscle and that’s how you’d build a brain there it is again

god help us okay okay so that’s what you

god help us okay okay so that’s what you have to do you understand what I’m

have to do you understand what I’m

have to do you understand what I’m saying right okay now we understand that

saying right okay now we understand that

saying right okay now we understand that I’m in your TEDx audience is a

I’m in your TEDx audience is a

I’m in your TEDx audience is a sophisticated group of people if you

sophisticated group of people if you

sophisticated group of people if you have children you’re thinking about the

have children you’re thinking about the

have children you’re thinking about the kinds of activities you have an instinct

kinds of activities you have an instinct

kinds of activities you have an instinct for it in fact you’re thinking about the

for it in fact you’re thinking about the

for it in fact you’re thinking about the kinds of activities that you can have

kinds of activities that you can have

kinds of activities that you can have your child do to help them engage in

your child do to help them engage in

your child do to help them engage in that kind of motivated effort for

that kind of motivated effort for

that kind of motivated effort for repeated trial and error experimental

repeated trial and error experimental

repeated trial and error experimental interaction and with the environment and

interaction and with the environment and

interaction and with the environment and so you do things like say yeah it’s a

so you do things like say yeah it’s a

so you do things like say yeah it’s a good idea participate in the science

good idea participate in the science

good idea participate in the science fair if you do that kind of thing in the

fair if you do that kind of thing in the

fair if you do that kind of thing in the Czech Republic or get involved in doing

Czech Republic or get involved in doing

Czech Republic or get involved in doing independent projects you know you want

independent projects you know you want

independent projects you know you want them to find things that light them up

them to find things that light them up

them to find things that light them up and maybe you’ll sample different kinds

and maybe you’ll sample different kinds

and maybe you’ll sample different kinds of experiences and you’ll say yeah you

of experiences and you’ll say yeah you

of experiences and you’ll say yeah you know my kid is into this kind of thing

know my kid is into this kind of thing

know my kid is into this kind of thing and we’re helping him or her experience

and we’re helping him or her experience

and we’re helping him or her experience that kind of stuff so we like things

that kind of stuff so we like things

that kind of stuff so we like things like science fair motivation engagement

like science fair motivation engagement

like science fair motivation engagement working harness loving probes you know a

working harness loving probes you know a

working harness loving probes you know a lot of countries you have things like

lot of countries you have things like

lot of countries you have things like robot competitions you have robot

robot competitions you have robot

robot competitions you have robot competitions and the Czech Republic yeah

competitions and the Czech Republic yeah

competitions and the Czech Republic yeah okay so some people like to build robots

okay so some people like to build robots

okay so some people like to build robots some people like to write the software

some people like to write the software

some people like to write the software and so it helps people find out how to

and so it helps people find out how to

and so it helps people find out how to do things like work together to work

do things like work together to work

do things like work together to work collaboratively toward a shared goal to

collaboratively toward a shared goal to

collaboratively toward a shared goal to practice being good winner

practice being good winner

practice being good winner are being good losers to have practice

are being good losers to have practice

are being good losers to have practice that those real-world applications of

that those real-world applications of

that those real-world applications of problem-solving or maybe we sent our

problem-solving or maybe we sent our

problem-solving or maybe we sent our children to summer camp because we know

children to summer camp because we know

children to summer camp because we know that there’s a whole set of activities

that there’s a whole set of activities

that there’s a whole set of activities that they’re going to learn they’re

that they’re going to learn they’re

that they’re going to learn they’re going to learn social skills by

going to learn social skills by

going to learn social skills by interacting with other children in a

interacting with other children in a

interacting with other children in a semi structured social environment right

semi structured social environment right

semi structured social environment right I mean these are the things they need to

I mean these are the things they need to

I mean these are the things they need to learn and they only learned them when

learn and they only learned them when

learn and they only learned them when they get to have these experiences they

they get to have these experiences they

they get to have these experiences they only build these capabilities as a

only build these capabilities as a

only build these capabilities as a consequence of practicing them and even

consequence of practicing them and even

consequence of practicing them and even sport you know some children are drawn

sport you know some children are drawn

sport you know some children are drawn to sports some children are drawn to art

to sports some children are drawn to art

to sports some children are drawn to art and as sophisticated thoughtful parents

and as sophisticated thoughtful parents

and as sophisticated thoughtful parents thinking developmentally you know that

thinking developmentally you know that

thinking developmentally you know that you want to line them up with these

you want to line them up with these

you want to line them up with these kinds of activities but here’s an

kinds of activities but here’s an

kinds of activities but here’s an example from a Montessori classroom

example from a Montessori classroom

example from a Montessori classroom here’s another example of motivated

here’s another example of motivated

here’s another example of motivated effortful trial-and-error experimental

effortful trial-and-error experimental

effortful trial-and-error experimental interactions with an object of

interactions with an object of

interactions with an object of Montessori called the pink tower he’s

Montessori called the pink tower he’s

Montessori called the pink tower he’s learning to differentiate by size this

learning to differentiate by size this

learning to differentiate by size this is a sensorial enrichment activity he’s

is a sensorial enrichment activity he’s

is a sensorial enrichment activity he’s three and a half he doesn’t really

three and a half he doesn’t really

three and a half he doesn’t really distinguish size as well but when he’s

distinguish size as well but when he’s

distinguish size as well but when he’s doing this kind of activity he’s

doing this kind of activity he’s

doing this kind of activity he’s developing that skill and he’s drawn to

developing that skill and he’s drawn to

developing that skill and he’s drawn to it he’s driven to do it and we don’t

it he’s driven to do it and we don’t

it he’s driven to do it and we don’t have time to watch the whole thing here

have time to watch the whole thing here

have time to watch the whole thing here but is he

but is he

but is he if we did we see in about two and a half

if we did we see in about two and a half

if we did we see in about two and a half minutes he figures it out and then we

minutes he figures it out and then we

minutes he figures it out and then we could watch him do it again and he does

could watch him do it again and he does

could watch him do it again and he does it in 30 seconds because he’s developed

it in 30 seconds because he’s developed

it in 30 seconds because he’s developed some cognitive capacity as a consequence

some cognitive capacity as a consequence

some cognitive capacity as a consequence of practicing this activity and that’s

of practicing this activity and that’s

of practicing this activity and that’s how you build a brain and I believe that

how you build a brain and I believe that

how you build a brain and I believe that we want to build brains and I’m pretty

we want to build brains and I’m pretty

we want to build brains and I’m pretty sure that we all want to build the

sure that we all want to build the

sure that we all want to build the brains of all children and this is how

brains of all children and this is how

brains of all children and this is how it works now a TEDx audience is probably

it works now a TEDx audience is probably

it works now a TEDx audience is probably relatively professional type people for

relatively professional type people for

relatively professional type people for the most part and and we know something

the most part and and we know something

the most part and and we know something about research on families like yours

about research on families like yours

about research on families like yours you are overwhelmingly preoccupied with

you are overwhelmingly preoccupied with

you are overwhelmingly preoccupied with the cognitive development of your

the cognitive development of your

the cognitive development of your children so you devote a lot of energy

children so you devote a lot of energy

children so you devote a lot of energy and time to facilitating this process

and time to facilitating this process

and time to facilitating this process energy and time that people from

energy and time that people from

energy and time that people from different kinds of backgrounds and maybe

different kinds of backgrounds and maybe

different kinds of backgrounds and maybe even different understandings wouldn’t

even different understandings wouldn’t

even different understandings wouldn’t be able to but this is how you build a

be able to but this is how you build a

be able to but this is how you build a brain it’s the only way to build a brain

brain it’s the only way to build a brain

brain it’s the only way to build a brain you have to give this guy opportunities

you have to give this guy opportunities

you have to give this guy opportunities to have this stuff yeah to do well to do

to have this stuff yeah to do well to do

to have this stuff yeah to do well to do that that’s how you build a brain is and

that that’s how you build a brain is and

that that’s how you build a brain is and it’s the only way you build a brain and

it’s the only way you build a brain and

it’s the only way you build a brain and we’re wired for this I mean it is

we’re wired for this I mean it is

we’re wired for this I mean it is nature’s design that children are drawn

nature’s design that children are drawn

nature’s design that children are drawn to engage in activities that help build

to engage in activities that help build

to engage in activities that help build their brains right now she’s learning

their brains right now she’s learning

their brains right now she’s learning something about how the natural

something about how the natural

something about how the natural environment is and she’s a she’s a

environment is and she’s a she’s a

environment is and she’s a she’s a notice she’s sitting very nicely well

notice she’s sitting very nicely well

notice she’s sitting very nicely well there was a time when she couldn’t do

there was a time when she couldn’t do

there was a time when she couldn’t do that but her brain was drawn to nature’s

that but her brain was drawn to nature’s

that but her brain was drawn to nature’s design she wanted to master that now

design she wanted to master that now

design she wanted to master that now she’s practicing the skill development

she’s practicing the skill development

she’s practicing the skill development of her of her fingers she’s refining her

of her of her fingers she’s refining her

of her of her fingers she’s refining her senses by experience and you know that’s

senses by experience and you know that’s

senses by experience and you know that’s how it is for all of us that’s how it

how it is for all of us that’s how it

how it is for all of us that’s how it all was but this is how human beings

all was but this is how human beings

all was but this is how human beings grow this is how we build our brains and

grow this is how we build our brains and

grow this is how we build our brains and if you ask anybody who understands

if you ask anybody who understands

if you ask anybody who understands something about brain development about

something about brain development about

something about brain development about the maturation of you know higher-order

the maturation of you know higher-order

the maturation of you know higher-order capabilities even lower order

capabilities even lower order

capabilities even lower order capabilities if you ask anybody who

capabilities if you ask anybody who

capabilities if you ask anybody who knows anything about the brain what

knows anything about the brain what

knows anything about the brain what should school before they’ll say

should school before they’ll say

should school before they’ll say something like this because it’s

something like this because it’s

something like this because it’s self-evident once you understand what’s

self-evident once you understand what’s

self-evident once you understand what’s necessary to build a brain it becomes

necessary to build a brain it becomes

necessary to build a brain it becomes self-evident that this is how you should

self-evident that this is how you should

self-evident that this is how you should this is not how you should it’s the only

this is not how you should it’s the only

this is not how you should it’s the only way you can what should school before

way you can what should school before

way you can what should school before it’s possible that school could be a

it’s possible that school could be a

it’s possible that school could be a place where every child from every

place where every child from every

place where every child from every background

background

background guard lists of the kinds of experiences

guard lists of the kinds of experiences

guard lists of the kinds of experiences they’re having outside of school could

they’re having outside of school could

they’re having outside of school could have experiences in school that helped

have experiences in school that helped

have experiences in school that helped facilitate this process give every

facilitate this process give every

facilitate this process give every developing brain its best shot to do

developing brain its best shot to do

developing brain its best shot to do this but that’s not what school usually

this but that’s not what school usually

this but that’s not what school usually is for is it and school is usually for

is for is it and school is usually for

is for is it and school is usually for as you know learning things and that’s

as you know learning things and that’s

as you know learning things and that’s okay because there are things to learn

okay because there are things to learn

okay because there are things to learn and you know I’m a neuropsychologist

and you know I’m a neuropsychologist

and you know I’m a neuropsychologist blaney there’s a lot of things that I

blaney there’s a lot of things that I

blaney there’s a lot of things that I needed to learn to become a competent

needed to learn to become a competent

needed to learn to become a competent neuropsychologist and it’s the same

neuropsychologist and it’s the same

neuropsychologist and it’s the same thing in your line of work whatever you

thing in your line of work whatever you

thing in your line of work whatever you do there’s things to know yeah so you

do there’s things to know yeah so you

do there’s things to know yeah so you know we have to learn material there is

know we have to learn material there is

know we have to learn material there is content to know but when we focus solely

content to know but when we focus solely

content to know but when we focus solely on content and forget capabilities and

on content and forget capabilities and

on content and forget capabilities and we don’t build the brain and of course

we don’t build the brain and of course

we don’t build the brain and of course you know how content learning works it

you know how content learning works it

you know how content learning works it works oh and here’s another problem

works oh and here’s another problem

works oh and here’s another problem because this isn’t an environment that’s

because this isn’t an environment that’s

because this isn’t an environment that’s designed to provide children

designed to provide children

designed to provide children opportunities doing what is that thing

opportunities doing what is that thing

opportunities doing what is that thing again

again

again motivate it you know see whatever what

motivate it you know see whatever what

motivate it you know see whatever what if it repeat it experiment like you

if it repeat it experiment like you

if it repeat it experiment like you can’t do that there I mean you might

can’t do that there I mean you might

can’t do that there I mean you might have a teacher who has an inclination

have a teacher who has an inclination

have a teacher who has an inclination and tries to you know build some of it

and tries to you know build some of it

and tries to you know build some of it in but that’s not an environment

in but that’s not an environment

in but that’s not an environment designed to build a brain but that’s

designed to build a brain but that’s

designed to build a brain but that’s what we do at school and this is how we

what we do at school and this is how we

what we do at school and this is how we evaluate school we give tests and if we

evaluate school we give tests and if we

evaluate school we give tests and if we want to improve school there’s a very

want to improve school there’s a very

want to improve school there’s a very superficial logic that says well I don’t

superficial logic that says well I don’t

superficial logic that says well I don’t know if we want to give schools be

know if we want to give schools be

know if we want to give schools be better what should we do well children

better what should we do well children

better what should we do well children shall learn more stuff right because is

shall learn more stuff right because is

shall learn more stuff right because is that what schools for to learn things

that what schools for to learn things

that what schools for to learn things and how will we know if school is

and how will we know if school is

and how will we know if school is improving well it’s simple we’ll give

improving well it’s simple we’ll give

improving well it’s simple we’ll give them tests and if they know more stuff

them tests and if they know more stuff

them tests and if they know more stuff as seen on the test then schools are

as seen on the test then schools are

as seen on the test then schools are improving that’s the way we think about

improving that’s the way we think about

improving that’s the way we think about school improvement and of course Pisa

school improvement and of course Pisa

school improvement and of course Pisa has played a significant role in this

has played a significant role in this

has played a significant role in this every three years around the world

every three years around the world

every three years around the world children take Pisa tests and then the

children take Pisa tests and then the

children take Pisa tests and then the OECD produces the piece of ranking

OECD produces the piece of ranking

OECD produces the piece of ranking tables okay so the part in purple that’s

tables okay so the part in purple that’s

tables okay so the part in purple that’s the midpoint

the midpoint

the midpoint there’s United States we’re not doing so

there’s United States we’re not doing so

there’s United States we’re not doing so great in math instantly the mind goes to

great in math instantly the mind goes to

great in math instantly the mind goes to a man got to get those math scores up

a man got to get those math scores up

a man got to get those math scores up and uh yeah we’re doing okay and reading

and uh yeah we’re doing okay and reading

and uh yeah we’re doing okay and reading at least we’re above the midpoint in

at least we’re above the midpoint in

at least we’re above the midpoint in reading a science so maybe we’re doing

reading a science so maybe we’re doing

reading a science so maybe we’re doing okay and there’s a Chuck Republican

okay and there’s a Chuck Republican

okay and there’s a Chuck Republican right away the competition is set up

right away the competition is set up

right away the competition is set up isn’t it yeah then you’re kicked you’re

isn’t it yeah then you’re kicked you’re

isn’t it yeah then you’re kicked you’re kicking it you’re kicking it in math

kicking it you’re kicking it in math

kicking it you’re kicking it in math but hey man we’re winning sorry we’re

but hey man we’re winning sorry we’re

but hey man we’re winning sorry we’re winning on reading in science and so

winning on reading in science and so

winning on reading in science and so maybe you should get your reading and

maybe you should get your reading and

maybe you should get your reading and science game together so we’re winning

science game together so we’re winning

science game together so we’re winning so there and this spreads all over the

so there and this spreads all over the

so there and this spreads all over the world every country in the world that

world every country in the world that

world every country in the world that wants to improve education is trying to

wants to improve education is trying to

wants to improve education is trying to improve performance on tests because

improve performance on tests because

improve performance on tests because after all if you’re gonna if school is

after all if you’re gonna if school is

after all if you’re gonna if school is gonna get made better they’re gonna know

gonna get made better they’re gonna know

gonna get made better they’re gonna know more stuff and how will we know if they

more stuff and how will we know if they

more stuff and how will we know if they know more stuff we’re gonna see

know more stuff we’re gonna see

know more stuff we’re gonna see improvements on tests now Pasi Solberg

improvements on tests now Pasi Solberg

improvements on tests now Pasi Solberg who is formerly with the Finnish

who is formerly with the Finnish

who is formerly with the Finnish Ministry of Education former teacher

Ministry of Education former teacher

Ministry of Education former teacher written widely about why Finnish

written widely about why Finnish

written widely about why Finnish education works so well even though they

education works so well even though they

education works so well even though they don’t chase the test scores he’s

don’t chase the test scores he’s

don’t chase the test scores he’s described this trend as the global

described this trend as the global

described this trend as the global education reform movement and that

education reform movement and that

education reform movement and that spells jerm and if you’re quick and you

spells jerm and if you’re quick and you

spells jerm and if you’re quick and you know English well you know what that

know English well you know what that

know English well you know what that means

means

means that’s what German is but there are

that’s what German is but there are

that’s what German is but there are consequences to chasing the test scores

consequences to chasing the test scores

consequences to chasing the test scores and believe me the test scores have real

and believe me the test scores have real

and believe me the test scores have real importance in the United States so one

importance in the United States so one

importance in the United States so one of the consequences is you stop teaching

of the consequences is you stop teaching

of the consequences is you stop teaching other things or at least de-emphasize

other things or at least de-emphasize

other things or at least de-emphasize them in fact then you especially

them in fact then you especially

them in fact then you especially de-emphasize the kinds of activities

de-emphasize the kinds of activities

de-emphasize the kinds of activities that help build the brain because those

that help build the brain because those

that help build the brain because those things aren’t on the test and everybody

things aren’t on the test and everybody

things aren’t on the test and everybody gets a nervous

gets a nervous

gets a nervous teachers can lose their jobs schools can

teachers can lose their jobs schools can

teachers can lose their jobs schools can close principals can get fired if

close principals can get fired if

close principals can get fired if they’re not improving the test scores so

they’re not improving the test scores so

they’re not improving the test scores so one thing that happens is school becomes

one thing that happens is school becomes

one thing that happens is school becomes unbelievably boring now in an unrelated

unbelievably boring now in an unrelated

unbelievably boring now in an unrelated study the economic analysis was done

study the economic analysis was done

study the economic analysis was done there’s never enough funding for

there’s never enough funding for

there’s never enough funding for education in this study they explored

education in this study they explored

education in this study they explored what were the consequences being on

what were the consequences being on

what were the consequences being on school performance if you changed from a

school performance if you changed from a

school performance if you changed from a five-day – to a four-day school week yet

five-day – to a four-day school week yet

five-day – to a four-day school week yet the consequence was scores went up now

the consequence was scores went up now

the consequence was scores went up now roll that around in your mind for a

roll that around in your mind for a

roll that around in your mind for a moment what they’ve done is they’ve

moment what they’ve done is they’ve

moment what they’ve done is they’ve created a situation where you do better

created a situation where you do better

created a situation where you do better if you get less of it that’s what

if you get less of it that’s what

if you get less of it that’s what chasing test scores brings you to ellen

chasing test scores brings you to ellen

chasing test scores brings you to ellen by the way Pisa other international

by the way Pisa other international

by the way Pisa other international tests analyses have been done Pisa

tests analyses have been done Pisa

tests analyses have been done Pisa scores predict nothing about the

scores predict nothing about the

scores predict nothing about the economic future of a country once you’re

economic future of a country once you’re

economic future of a country once you’re out of like the bottom quartile you know

out of like the bottom quartile you know

out of like the bottom quartile you know what I mean the bottom 25 percent

what I mean the bottom 25 percent

what I mean the bottom 25 percent probably don’t want to be there

probably don’t want to be there

probably don’t want to be there okay there’s basic literacy issues

okay there’s basic literacy issues

okay there’s basic literacy issues perhaps but once you’re out of there it

perhaps but once you’re out of there it

perhaps but once you’re out of there it doesn’t really matter how people do on

doesn’t really matter how people do on

doesn’t really matter how people do on pea

pea

pea tests other factors are far more

tests other factors are far more

tests other factors are far more important in predicting economic

important in predicting economic

important in predicting economic development Google knows this you know

development Google knows this you know

development Google knows this you know Google doesn’t care how you did on the

Google doesn’t care how you did on the

Google doesn’t care how you did on the test Google used to be famous for doing

test Google used to be famous for doing

test Google used to be famous for doing brain teasers and things like that they

brain teasers and things like that they

brain teasers and things like that they don’t do that anymore you know what

don’t do that anymore you know what

don’t do that anymore you know what predicts performance on the job at

predicts performance on the job at

predicts performance on the job at Google give me an example of a time when

Google give me an example of a time when

Google give me an example of a time when you solved an analytically difficult

you solved an analytically difficult

you solved an analytically difficult problem that’s a highly predictive

problem that’s a highly predictive

problem that’s a highly predictive interview question yes to do with this

interview question yes to do with this

interview question yes to do with this how do you get a job at Google you have

how do you get a job at Google you have

how do you get a job at Google you have a good well you have a well-built brain

a good well you have a well-built brain

a good well you have a well-built brain that’s how you get a job at Ernst and

that’s how you get a job at Ernst and

that’s how you get a job at Ernst and Young has done an analysis of incoming

Young has done an analysis of incoming

Young has done an analysis of incoming employees they don’t care how you did at

employees they don’t care how you did at

employees they don’t care how you did at university they want you to have gone to

university they want you to have gone to

university they want you to have gone to university they don’t care how you did

university they don’t care how you did

university they don’t care how you did they don’t care about the test scores

they don’t care about the test scores

they don’t care about the test scores they don’t predict performance at our

they don’t predict performance at our

they don’t predict performance at our instant young IBM did an international

instant young IBM did an international

instant young IBM did an international study interviewed 1,700 CEOs from 68

study interviewed 1,700 CEOs from 68

study interviewed 1,700 CEOs from 68 countries in 88 and 18 industries you

countries in 88 and 18 industries you

countries in 88 and 18 industries you know what they want they want people who

know what they want they want people who

know what they want they want people who can innovate people who are creative

can innovate people who are creative

can innovate people who are creative people who can communicate people who

people who can communicate people who

people who can communicate people who can collaborate within the company and

can collaborate within the company and

can collaborate within the company and with customers they don’t care about the

with customers they don’t care about the

with customers they don’t care about the test scores and you know what not a

test scores and you know what not a

test scores and you know what not a single one of those 1,700 CEOs said

single one of those 1,700 CEOs said

single one of those 1,700 CEOs said anything about school performance

anything about school performance

anything about school performance because it’s not a predictor everyone

because it’s not a predictor everyone

because it’s not a predictor everyone everywhere wants this this is a

everywhere wants this this is a

everywhere wants this this is a distraction what this does is it drives

distraction what this does is it drives

distraction what this does is it drives our attention other places now Czech

our attention other places now Czech

our attention other places now Czech Republic has not always had national

Republic has not always had national

Republic has not always had national testing but I know that you’re into that

testing but I know that you’re into that

testing but I know that you’re into that kind of thing now

it’s not going to improve things it’s

it’s not going to improve things it’s going to distract you as a country from

going to distract you as a country from

going to distract you as a country from the kinds of things that really will

the kinds of things that really will

the kinds of things that really will have an impact and this is uh-oh here we

have an impact and this is uh-oh here we

have an impact and this is uh-oh here we go from 2013 this is of Education

go from 2013 this is of Education

go from 2013 this is of Education analysis for the Czech Republic one of

analysis for the Czech Republic one of

analysis for the Czech Republic one of the ways that Czech Republic in 2013

the ways that Czech Republic in 2013

the ways that Czech Republic in 2013 decided to improve school performance

decided to improve school performance

decided to improve school performance was to increase more assessment and

was to increase more assessment and

was to increase more assessment and evaluation in schools because after all

evaluation in schools because after all

evaluation in schools because after all schools about learning stuff isn’t it

schools about learning stuff isn’t it

schools about learning stuff isn’t it and how do we know if they’re learning

and how do we know if they’re learning

and how do we know if they’re learning more stuff they’ll do better on the

more stuff they’ll do better on the

more stuff they’ll do better on the tests and so how do we know at the

tests and so how do we know at the

tests and so how do we know at the beginning better well we have to give

beginning better well we have to give

beginning better well we have to give more tests so that’s the fundamental

more tests so that’s the fundamental

more tests so that’s the fundamental dilemma of the modern age is it gonna be

dilemma of the modern age is it gonna be

dilemma of the modern age is it gonna be is it gonna be god help us

is it gonna be god help us

is it gonna be god help us is it gonna be building better brains or

is it gonna be building better brains or

is it gonna be building better brains or is it gonna be participating in German

is it gonna be participating in German

is it gonna be participating in German that’s the dilemma of Education in the

that’s the dilemma of Education in the

that’s the dilemma of Education in the modern age thank you

modern age thank you

modern age thank you [Applause]

you

you [Applause]

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