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Digitizing the Master-Apprentice Relationship | Tovi Grossman | TEDxUofTSalon


we’re in an era now of technologies

we’re in an era now of technologies advancing faster than they ever have

advancing faster than they ever have

advancing faster than they ever have before raising important questions about

before raising important questions about

before raising important questions about labor market disruptions but I’m going

labor market disruptions but I’m going

labor market disruptions but I’m going to talk to you instead about how we can

to talk to you instead about how we can

to talk to you instead about how we can leverage these technologies to learn

leverage these technologies to learn

leverage these technologies to learn skills and ways that were never before

skills and ways that were never before

skills and ways that were never before possible and unlock our full potential

possible and unlock our full potential

possible and unlock our full potential and in particular I’m going to talk

and in particular I’m going to talk

and in particular I’m going to talk about how we can digitize the master

about how we can digitize the master

about how we can digitize the master apprentice relationship so it’s hard to

apprentice relationship so it’s hard to

apprentice relationship so it’s hard to avoid today’s stories about AI and

avoid today’s stories about AI and

avoid today’s stories about AI and machine learning advancing in their

machine learning advancing in their

machine learning advancing in their capabilities and really reaching

capabilities and really reaching

capabilities and really reaching unprecedented levels at the same time

unprecedented levels at the same time

unprecedented levels at the same time robotics and automation systems have the

robotics and automation systems have the

robotics and automation systems have the potential to streamline physical tasks

potential to streamline physical tasks

potential to streamline physical tasks as you see here in this amazing video

as you see here in this amazing video

as you see here in this amazing video from amazon fulfillment warehouse now in

from amazon fulfillment warehouse now in

from amazon fulfillment warehouse now in some cases these change the nature of

some cases these change the nature of

some cases these change the nature of the work that humans do but in other

the work that humans do but in other

the work that humans do but in other cases they completely remove the humans

cases they completely remove the humans

cases they completely remove the humans from the equation so with autonomous

from the equation so with autonomous

from the equation so with autonomous vehicles alone it’s projected that this

vehicles alone it’s projected that this

vehicles alone it’s projected that this is going to cost approximately 300,000

is going to cost approximately 300,000

is going to cost approximately 300,000 jobs to be lost per year once they reach

jobs to be lost per year once they reach

jobs to be lost per year once they reach their peak yeah that’s a scary number

their peak yeah that’s a scary number

their peak yeah that’s a scary number and it’s natural to be frightened about

and it’s natural to be frightened about

and it’s natural to be frightened about this but we’re still quite a ways away

this but we’re still quite a ways away

this but we’re still quite a ways away from AI and machine learning replacing

from AI and machine learning replacing

from AI and machine learning replacing everything we do and robots taking over

everything we do and robots taking over

everything we do and robots taking over our jobs so we’re not quite off the hook

our jobs so we’re not quite off the hook

our jobs so we’re not quite off the hook yet instead and what we’ve learned in

yet instead and what we’ve learned in

yet instead and what we’ve learned in the past is that these disruptive

the past is that these disruptive

the past is that these disruptive technologies don’t take away our jobs

technologies don’t take away our jobs

technologies don’t take away our jobs they change the nature of the work that

they change the nature of the work that

they change the nature of the work that we do and in essence they create these

we do and in essence they create these

we do and in essence they create these hybrid systems where humans and

hybrid systems where humans and

hybrid systems where humans and technologies work together so in the

technologies work together so in the

technologies work together so in the context of architecture which is where I

context of architecture which is where I

context of architecture which is where I work at Autodesk research architects now

work at Autodesk research architects now

work at Autodesk research architects now learn to use computer-aided design

learn to use computer-aided design

learn to use computer-aided design software they no longer need to become

software they no longer need to become

software they no longer need to become masters of physical drafting skills so

masters of physical drafting skills so

masters of physical drafting skills so now is a time more than ever when we

now is a time more than ever when we

now is a time more than ever when we need to have adaptable expertise often

need to have adaptable expertise often

need to have adaptable expertise often learning new skills on the job and I’m

learning new skills on the job and I’m

learning new skills on the job and I’m going to talk to you about how we can

going to talk to you about how we can

going to talk to you about how we can digitize the master apprentice

digitize the master apprentice

digitize the master apprentice relationship to do this now technology

relationship to do this now technology

relationship to do this now technology guided learning is not

guided learning is not

guided learning is not new and in fact even before computers

new and in fact even before computers

new and in fact even before computers existed psychologists were developing

existed psychologists were developing

existed psychologists were developing what they call teaching machines that

what they call teaching machines that

what they call teaching machines that were thought to lead to an industrial

were thought to lead to an industrial

were thought to lead to an industrial revolution of teaching it was to the

revolution of teaching it was to the

revolution of teaching it was to the point where is even question whether the

point where is even question whether the

point where is even question whether the learning experience would become fully

learning experience would become fully

learning experience would become fully automated and our teachers would be

automated and our teachers would be

automated and our teachers would be replaced by robots of course it’s a

replaced by robots of course it’s a

replaced by robots of course it’s a vision that was never realized although

vision that was never realized although

vision that was never realized although I always questioned about my own grade

I always questioned about my own grade

I always questioned about my own grade for science teacher but the capabilities

for science teacher but the capabilities

for science teacher but the capabilities of today’s technologies do allow us to

of today’s technologies do allow us to

of today’s technologies do allow us to learn in ways that were never before

learn in ways that were never before

learn in ways that were never before possible like I said I work at Autodesk

possible like I said I work at Autodesk

possible like I said I work at Autodesk which makes some of the world’s most

which makes some of the world’s most

which makes some of the world’s most advanced technology and software for

advanced technology and software for

advanced technology and software for doing 3d design from towering

doing 3d design from towering

doing 3d design from towering skyscrapers to special effects and

skyscrapers to special effects and

skyscrapers to special effects and Hollywood movies it also happens to be

Hollywood movies it also happens to be

Hollywood movies it also happens to be some of the most complex software to

some of the most complex software to

some of the most complex software to learn in the world having hundreds and

learn in the world having hundreds and

learn in the world having hundreds and often thousands of commands and

often thousands of commands and

often thousands of commands and workflows that you need to become a

workflows that you need to become a

workflows that you need to become a master of now with my colleagues at

master of now with my colleagues at

master of now with my colleagues at Autodesk research in the user-interface

Autodesk research in the user-interface

Autodesk research in the user-interface research group I’ve spent the last 10

research group I’ve spent the last 10

research group I’ve spent the last 10 years of my research trying to

years of my research trying to

years of my research trying to understand how technology can aid in the

understand how technology can aid in the

understand how technology can aid in the learning process in these complex

learning process in these complex

learning process in these complex environments for example we can

environments for example we can

environments for example we can instrument the software to track

instrument the software to track

instrument the software to track everything you’re doing and by analyzing

everything you’re doing and by analyzing

everything you’re doing and by analyzing what the experts are doing and what the

what the experts are doing and what the

what the experts are doing and what the rest of the community is doing we can

rest of the community is doing we can

rest of the community is doing we can recommend new commands and workflows for

recommend new commands and workflows for

recommend new commands and workflows for you to use so with this project which we

you to use so with this project which we

you to use so with this project which we called community commands the learning

called community commands the learning

called community commands the learning is occurring in real time as you’re

is occurring in real time as you’re

is occurring in real time as you’re working with the system personalized

working with the system personalized

working with the system personalized recommendations are coming to you just

recommendations are coming to you just

recommendations are coming to you just as if you were working right next to an

as if you were working right next to an

as if you were working right next to an expert but I ask myself can we extend

expert but I ask myself can we extend

expert but I ask myself can we extend this paradigm of what we call

this paradigm of what we call

this paradigm of what we call over-the-shoulder learning beyond just

over-the-shoulder learning beyond just

over-the-shoulder learning beyond just computer-based tasks can we use

computer-based tasks can we use

computer-based tasks can we use technology to achieve mastery in the

technology to achieve mastery in the

technology to achieve mastery in the physical realm and unlock our potential

physical realm and unlock our potential

physical realm and unlock our potential in essence what I was asking is can we

in essence what I was asking is can we

in essence what I was asking is can we digitize the master apprentice

digitize the master apprentice

digitize the master apprentice relationship let’s look at a couple

relationship let’s look at a couple

relationship let’s look at a couple examples to motivate this here’s an

examples to motivate this here’s an

examples to motivate this here’s an athlete using a training apparatus to

athlete using a training apparatus to

athlete using a training apparatus to improve their baseball swing now surely

improve their baseball swing now surely

improve their baseball swing now surely this type of repetitive practice is

this type of repetitive practice is

this type of repetitive practice is gonna have some benefits but he might be

gonna have some benefits but he might be

gonna have some benefits but he might be making some errors and a device like

making some errors and a device like

making some errors and a device like this is completely passive it’s

this is completely passive it’s

this is completely passive it’s providing no feedback on the errors he’s

providing no feedback on the errors he’s

providing no feedback on the errors he’s making and no guidance on specific

making and no guidance on specific

making and no guidance on specific things that he could improve upon what I

things that he could improve upon what I

things that he could improve upon what I want to do is to provide ways for

want to do is to provide ways for

want to do is to provide ways for systems like this to provide a model of

systems like this to provide a model of

systems like this to provide a model of mentorship so people can learn in the

mentorship so people can learn in the

mentorship so people can learn in the midst of an activity let’s consider a

midst of an activity let’s consider a

midst of an activity let’s consider a best-in-class example of this so what

best-in-class example of this so what

best-in-class example of this so what this person needs is a mr. Miyagi this

this person needs is a mr. Miyagi this

this person needs is a mr. Miyagi this is of course from the the movie The

is of course from the the movie The

is of course from the the movie The Karate Kid and if you go back and watch

Karate Kid and if you go back and watch

Karate Kid and if you go back and watch the scene or mr. Miyagi is teaching

the scene or mr. Miyagi is teaching

the scene or mr. Miyagi is teaching Danielle all these all these different

Danielle all these all these different

Danielle all these all these different movements it’s actually a really great

movements it’s actually a really great

movements it’s actually a really great example of the rich interactions that

example of the rich interactions that

example of the rich interactions that occur between a master and an apprentice

occur between a master and an apprentice

occur between a master and an apprentice mr. Miyagi doesn’t just show the

mr. Miyagi doesn’t just show the

mr. Miyagi doesn’t just show the movements he’s constantly providing

movements he’s constantly providing

movements he’s constantly providing feedback and guidance to Daniel he’s

feedback and guidance to Daniel he’s

feedback and guidance to Daniel he’s also creating this close personal

also creating this close personal

also creating this close personal connection so we can truly understand

connection so we can truly understand

connection so we can truly understand what it is that Daniel needs to learn

what it is that Daniel needs to learn

what it is that Daniel needs to learn best now to add a personal touch to this

best now to add a personal touch to this

best now to add a personal touch to this story I had my own mr. Miyagi perhaps a

story I had my own mr. Miyagi perhaps a

story I had my own mr. Miyagi perhaps a unique hobby for a computer scientist I

unique hobby for a computer scientist I

unique hobby for a computer scientist I trained in Muay Thai so this is the Thai

trained in Muay Thai so this is the Thai

trained in Muay Thai so this is the Thai equivalent to kickboxing and there with

equivalent to kickboxing and there with

equivalent to kickboxing and there with me is Simon Marcus who is my master or

me is Simon Marcus who is my master or

me is Simon Marcus who is my master or anti crew now I was incredibly fortunate

anti crew now I was incredibly fortunate

anti crew now I was incredibly fortunate to work with Simon he’s actually a

to work with Simon he’s actually a

to work with Simon he’s actually a two-time world champion in kickboxing

two-time world champion in kickboxing

two-time world champion in kickboxing and still an undefeated professional my

and still an undefeated professional my

and still an undefeated professional my Thai fighter so Simon provided me all

Thai fighter so Simon provided me all

Thai fighter so Simon provided me all the necessary things I needed to know to

the necessary things I needed to know to

the necessary things I needed to know to learn the physical skills surrounding

learn the physical skills surrounding

learn the physical skills surrounding MoIT I was also very clear from working

MoIT I was also very clear from working

MoIT I was also very clear from working with Simon who seems very good at

with Simon who seems very good at

with Simon who seems very good at understanding each individual student

understanding each individual student

understanding each individual student and what their strengths and weaknesses

and what their strengths and weaknesses

and what their strengths and weaknesses were and to teach accordingly and that’s

were and to teach accordingly and that’s

were and to teach accordingly and that’s a fundamental aspect of the master

a fundamental aspect of the master

a fundamental aspect of the master apprentice relationship and something

apprentice relationship and something

apprentice relationship and something that doesn’t always occur and the

that doesn’t always occur and the

that doesn’t always occur and the one-size-fits-all approach to education

one-size-fits-all approach to education

one-size-fits-all approach to education and I’m sure every one of you here can

and I’m sure every one of you here can

and I’m sure every one of you here can think about a mentor that you’ve had in

think about a mentor that you’ve had in

think about a mentor that you’ve had in your life whether it was as a child or

your life whether it was as a child or

your life whether it was as a child or even as an adult that’s had a

even as an adult that’s had a

even as an adult that’s had a significant impact on who you are today

significant impact on who you are today

significant impact on who you are today for me I was fortunate to work with

for me I was fortunate to work with

for me I was fortunate to work with Simon now not everyone has their mr.

Simon now not everyone has their mr.

Simon now not everyone has their mr. Miyagi or their Simon Marcus

Miyagi or their Simon Marcus

Miyagi or their Simon Marcus they need them the most so the question

they need them the most so the question

they need them the most so the question remains can we digitize and by doing so

remains can we digitize and by doing so

remains can we digitize and by doing so democratize this master apprentice

democratize this master apprentice

democratize this master apprentice relationship and I would argue that with

relationship and I would argue that with

relationship and I would argue that with today’s emerging technologies we can do

today’s emerging technologies we can do

today’s emerging technologies we can do just that so here’s some examples this

just that so here’s some examples this

just that so here’s some examples this is a project we did call you move where

is a project we did call you move where

is a project we did call you move where we used an augmented reality mirror to

we used an augmented reality mirror to

we used an augmented reality mirror to teach physical skills such as dance and

teach physical skills such as dance and

teach physical skills such as dance and athletics and get the feedback that you

athletics and get the feedback that you

athletics and get the feedback that you typically typically get from a trainer

typically typically get from a trainer

typically typically get from a trainer the system would capture your movements

the system would capture your movements

the system would capture your movements with a 3d depth camera and then compare

with a 3d depth camera and then compare

with a 3d depth camera and then compare them to the recorded movements of an

them to the recorded movements of an

them to the recorded movements of an expert personalized feedback was then

expert personalized feedback was then

expert personalized feedback was then projected back on the mirror and you’d

projected back on the mirror and you’d

projected back on the mirror and you’d see it overlaid on your own physical

see it overlaid on your own physical

see it overlaid on your own physical reflection applying this to the trades

reflection applying this to the trades

reflection applying this to the trades this is a project we called the smart

this is a project we called the smart

this is a project we called the smart makerspace which emerged digitized

makerspace which emerged digitized

makerspace which emerged digitized learning content within a physical

learning content within a physical

learning content within a physical makerspace environment as you worked on

makerspace environment as you worked on

makerspace environment as you worked on a physical task the system would guide

a physical task the system would guide

a physical task the system would guide you on how to use the required tools and

you on how to use the required tools and

you on how to use the required tools and materials it would track your progress

materials it would track your progress

materials it would track your progress through the tasks and update the

through the tasks and update the

through the tasks and update the instructions in real time but can we

instructions in real time but can we

instructions in real time but can we take this even further what about

take this even further what about

take this even further what about large-scale construction like this can

large-scale construction like this can

large-scale construction like this can we take the traditional mentorship model

we take the traditional mentorship model

we take the traditional mentorship model and digitize it within this context with

and digitize it within this context with

and digitize it within this context with our crowdsource fabrication project we

our crowdsource fabrication project we

our crowdsource fabrication project we did exactly that so with this project we

did exactly that so with this project we

did exactly that so with this project we had over a hundred volunteers

had over a hundred volunteers

had over a hundred volunteers spontaneously come together and build

spontaneously come together and build

spontaneously come together and build this 12-foot tall Pavilion structure

this 12-foot tall Pavilion structure

this 12-foot tall Pavilion structure what was interesting about this project

what was interesting about this project

what was interesting about this project is that the volunteers had no prior

is that the volunteers had no prior

is that the volunteers had no prior knowledge of the of the project the

knowledge of the of the project the

knowledge of the of the project the structure or the tools and materials

structure or the tools and materials

structure or the tools and materials that were needed to build it instead we

that were needed to build it instead we

that were needed to build it instead we use the combination of wearable devices

use the combination of wearable devices

use the combination of wearable devices and sensors integrated in the

and sensors integrated in the

and sensors integrated in the environment to provide real-time

environment to provide real-time

environment to provide real-time learning here’s a brief overview of the

learning here’s a brief overview of the

learning here’s a brief overview of the experience so when volunteers came to

experience so when volunteers came to

experience so when volunteers came to the environment they were given a

the environment they were given a

the environment they were given a SmartWatch and the SmartWatch provided

SmartWatch and the SmartWatch provided

SmartWatch and the SmartWatch provided just-in-time

just-in-time

just-in-time and location-aware instructions they

and location-aware instructions they

and location-aware instructions they were first directed to gather three

were first directed to gather three

were first directed to gather three pieces of bamboo and then take those

pieces of bamboo and then take those

pieces of bamboo and then take those bamboo pieces to a robotic device where

bamboo pieces to a robotic device where

bamboo pieces to a robotic device where they’d load them onto

they’d load them onto

they’d load them onto special tool they would tie a string to

special tool they would tie a string to

special tool they would tie a string to the bamboo and then the robot would

the bamboo and then the robot would

the bamboo and then the robot would begin a special fabrication method to

begin a special fabrication method to

begin a special fabrication method to create individual modules there were two

create individual modules there were two

create individual modules there were two hundred and twenty four unique modules

hundred and twenty four unique modules

hundred and twenty four unique modules in the construction of this pavilion now

in the construction of this pavilion now

in the construction of this pavilion now this is showing a powerful concept where

this is showing a powerful concept where

this is showing a powerful concept where again humans and technology are working

again humans and technology are working

again humans and technology are working in a collaborative way together to do

in a collaborative way together to do

in a collaborative way together to do something that would be difficult for

something that would be difficult for

something that would be difficult for either of them to do independently once

either of them to do independently once

either of them to do independently once a module was completed the human worker

a module was completed the human worker

a module was completed the human worker would remove it from the robot and have

would remove it from the robot and have

would remove it from the robot and have to figure out where it goes because each

to figure out where it goes because each

to figure out where it goes because each module was unique so what we did was we

module was unique so what we did was we

module was unique so what we did was we embedded wireless LEDs within the actual

embedded wireless LEDs within the actual

embedded wireless LEDs within the actual materials that would illuminate and show

materials that would illuminate and show

materials that would illuminate and show the worker exactly where their module

the worker exactly where their module

the worker exactly where their module had to go this entire process was

had to go this entire process was

had to go this entire process was coordinated by a back-end intelligent

coordinated by a back-end intelligent

coordinated by a back-end intelligent agent which we called a digital Foreman

agent which we called a digital Foreman

agent which we called a digital Foreman engine and in the end we had the world’s

engine and in the end we had the world’s

engine and in the end we had the world’s first example of what we called

first example of what we called

first example of what we called crowdsource fabrication where a group of

crowdsource fabrication where a group of

crowdsource fabrication where a group of unskilled volunteers came came together

unskilled volunteers came came together

unskilled volunteers came came together to build an architectural scale

to build an architectural scale

to build an architectural scale structure using a combination of user

structure using a combination of user

structure using a combination of user interface technologies now here’s where

interface technologies now here’s where

interface technologies now here’s where this gets really exciting there’s

this gets really exciting there’s

this gets really exciting there’s volunteer efforts across the world such

volunteer efforts across the world such

volunteer efforts across the world such as Habitat for Humanity where volunteers

as Habitat for Humanity where volunteers

as Habitat for Humanity where volunteers come together to construct housing for

come together to construct housing for

come together to construct housing for low-income families imagine the

low-income families imagine the

low-income families imagine the implications of each worker came to the

implications of each worker came to the

implications of each worker came to the site and received the learning and

site and received the learning and

site and received the learning and training resources they needed in real

training resources they needed in real

training resources they needed in real time while they contributed to the build

time while they contributed to the build

time while they contributed to the build another example that’s very relevant is

another example that’s very relevant is

another example that’s very relevant is the construction and assembly of

the construction and assembly of

the construction and assembly of shelters for refugees and asylum seekers

shelters for refugees and asylum seekers

shelters for refugees and asylum seekers with new fabrication techniques today

with new fabrication techniques today

with new fabrication techniques today there’s companies like better shelter

there’s companies like better shelter

there’s companies like better shelter that are creating shelters that are more

that are creating shelters that are more

that are creating shelters that are more robust and can provide families with

robust and can provide families with

robust and can provide families with more security but the assembly is still

more security but the assembly is still

more security but the assembly is still a major bottleneck and let’s just say

a major bottleneck and let’s just say

a major bottleneck and let’s just say the instructions for assembling these

the instructions for assembling these

the instructions for assembling these are suboptimal they’re literally like

are suboptimal they’re literally like

are suboptimal they’re literally like following IKEA instructions to try to

following IKEA instructions to try to

following IKEA instructions to try to build a house so the technologies I’ve

build a house so the technologies I’ve

build a house so the technologies I’ve been showing you could potentially lead

been showing you could potentially lead

been showing you could potentially lead to builds like this occurring in

to builds like this occurring in

to builds like this occurring in fractions of the time and also giving

fractions of the time and also giving

fractions of the time and also giving the workers lifelong skills that they

the workers lifelong skills that they

the workers lifelong skills that they can carry forward the master apprentice

can carry forward the master apprentice

can carry forward the master apprentice relationship is something that has been

relationship is something that has been

relationship is something that has been around with us for centuries but with

around with us for centuries but with

around with us for centuries but with these new technology

these new technology

these new technology we have opportunities to learn in ways

we have opportunities to learn in ways

we have opportunities to learn in ways that were never before possible we can

that were never before possible we can

that were never before possible we can digitize the master apprentice

digitize the master apprentice

digitize the master apprentice relationship and unlock our full

relationship and unlock our full

relationship and unlock our full potential now my challenge to you going

potential now my challenge to you going

potential now my challenge to you going forward for developers designers and

forward for developers designers and

forward for developers designers and computer scientists is to think about

computer scientists is to think about

computer scientists is to think about ways we can incorporate the personal

ways we can incorporate the personal

ways we can incorporate the personal aspects of these master apprentice

aspects of these master apprentice

aspects of these master apprentice relationships into our broader

relationships into our broader

relationships into our broader interactions with technology thank you

interactions with technology thank you

interactions with technology thank you [Applause]

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