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so the degree is dead or more accurately

so the degree is dead or more accurately it is dying my name is Sergio Marrero

it is dying my name is Sergio Marrero

it is dying my name is Sergio Marrero and I have focused on research and

and I have focused on research and

and I have focused on research and access to higher education for about the

access to higher education for about the

access to higher education for about the past seven years and I’m going to share

past seven years and I’m going to share

past seven years and I’m going to share with you my learnings from my startup

with you my learnings from my startup

with you my learnings from my startup experience in the space and the reason

experience in the space and the reason

experience in the space and the reason I’m passionate about this work is

I’m passionate about this work is

I’m passionate about this work is because I was first my family to go to a

because I was first my family to go to a

because I was first my family to go to a four-year institution and realized the

four-year institution and realized the

four-year institution and realized the value that it has brought me and I think

value that it has brought me and I think

value that it has brought me and I think everyone should have access to the

everyone should have access to the

everyone should have access to the richness of these communities and this

richness of these communities and this

richness of these communities and this network but when I say the degree is

network but when I say the degree is

network but when I say the degree is that what I mean is it’s not a ticket to

that what I mean is it’s not a ticket to

that what I mean is it’s not a ticket to a job it used to be but today it’s

a job it used to be but today it’s

a job it used to be but today it’s different most people don’t use higher

different most people don’t use higher

different most people don’t use higher education as a way to train and retrain

education as a way to train and retrain

education as a way to train and retrain to get a job and keep pace with the

to get a job and keep pace with the

to get a job and keep pace with the evolving economy but through our

evolving economy but through our

evolving economy but through our research what we found is everything

research what we found is everything

research what we found is everything that exists to create an accessible

that exists to create an accessible

that exists to create an accessible system is already here and we can make

system is already here and we can make

system is already here and we can make this future possible I’m going to share

this future possible I’m going to share

this future possible I’m going to share how we can do that with you so my

how we can do that with you so my

how we can do that with you so my journey started working in Philadelphia

journey started working in Philadelphia

journey started working in Philadelphia as a consultant not too far from here

as a consultant not too far from here

as a consultant not too far from here and I was mentoring a high school

and I was mentoring a high school

and I was mentoring a high school student that wanted to go to college he

student that wanted to go to college he

student that wanted to go to college he was first in his family to go to college

was first in his family to go to college

was first in his family to go to college came from a single-parent household and

came from a single-parent household and

came from a single-parent household and didn’t have someone to go to and we work

didn’t have someone to go to and we work

didn’t have someone to go to and we work together and I helped him apply and he

together and I helped him apply and he

together and I helped him apply and he got in and it was through that I felt

got in and it was through that I felt

got in and it was through that I felt very satisfied because I had gone

very satisfied because I had gone

very satisfied because I had gone through the process and I was helping

through the process and I was helping

through the process and I was helping him and I wanted to do more of that so I

him and I wanted to do more of that so I

him and I wanted to do more of that so I ended up going back to grad school and

ended up going back to grad school and

ended up going back to grad school and focusing on impact innovation and

focusing on impact innovation and

focusing on impact innovation and started with education and within the

started with education and within the

started with education and within the first two months he called me and he

first two months he called me and he

first two months he called me and he told me this I have to help my mom pay

told me this I have to help my mom pay

told me this I have to help my mom pay rent I need to drop out you see he was

rent I need to drop out you see he was

rent I need to drop out you see he was working full time and he still couldn’t

working full time and he still couldn’t

working full time and he still couldn’t make enough to pay to go to school

make enough to pay to go to school

make enough to pay to go to school full-time and help his mother pay rent

full-time and help his mother pay rent

full-time and help his mother pay rent and then he moved to part-time status

and then he moved to part-time status

and then he moved to part-time status which made him ineligible for aides so

which made him ineligible for aides so

which made him ineligible for aides so he dropped out altogether and while we

he dropped out altogether and while we

he dropped out altogether and while we were researching this made me frustrated

were researching this made me frustrated

were researching this made me frustrated and I said what can I do but at this

and I said what can I do but at this

and I said what can I do but at this point we research to understand how big

point we research to understand how big

point we research to understand how big is this problem and how we can help make

is this problem and how we can help make

is this problem and how we can help make a difference for more people

a difference for more people

a difference for more people so we dived in and I’ll share what we

so we dived in and I’ll share what we

so we dived in and I’ll share what we learned put your hands up if you’re in

learned put your hands up if you’re in

learned put your hands up if you’re in college or you’ve been to college

college or you’ve been to college

college or you’ve been to college right we represent the minority 40% of

right we represent the minority 40% of

right we represent the minority 40% of the US has been to college 40 percent if

the US has been to college 40 percent if

the US has been to college 40 percent if you look around the world its 7% just

you look around the world its 7% just

you look around the world its 7% just let that sink in for a minute we are a

let that sink in for a minute we are a

let that sink in for a minute we are a very small group of very privileged

very small group of very privileged

very small group of very privileged people this shocked me and shook our

people this shocked me and shook our

people this shocked me and shook our team and said why is this so we took a

team and said why is this so we took a

team and said why is this so we took a step deeper and a lot of it is the cost

step deeper and a lot of it is the cost

step deeper and a lot of it is the cost the cost of higher education

the cost of higher education

the cost of higher education specifically in the US has outpaced

specifically in the US has outpaced

specifically in the US has outpaced wages has outpaced housing has out paid

wages has outpaced housing has out paid

wages has outpaced housing has out paid other consumer products when you

other consumer products when you

other consumer products when you graduate you will graduate with at least

graduate you will graduate with at least

graduate you will graduate with at least $35,000 worth of debt on average right

$35,000 worth of debt on average right

$35,000 worth of debt on average right and that is that is pretty scary so

and that is that is pretty scary so

and that is that is pretty scary so taking a step deeper I think at this

taking a step deeper I think at this

taking a step deeper I think at this point I said you know what the answer is

point I said you know what the answer is

point I said you know what the answer is let’s make College free but the more we

let’s make College free but the more we

let’s make College free but the more we actually interview people with college

actually interview people with college

actually interview people with college degrees and how they correlate to jobs

degrees and how they correlate to jobs

degrees and how they correlate to jobs that won’t solve the problem we heard

that won’t solve the problem we heard

that won’t solve the problem we heard stories of this young woman she had a

stories of this young woman she had a

stories of this young woman she had a background in psychology and she ended

background in psychology and she ended

background in psychology and she ended up working in retail and her story is

up working in retail and her story is

up working in retail and her story is not unique

not unique

not unique about 45% of the people that graduate

about 45% of the people that graduate

about 45% of the people that graduate with 4-year degrees are in jobs that

with 4-year degrees are in jobs that

with 4-year degrees are in jobs that aren’t aligned with what they studied

aren’t aligned with what they studied

aren’t aligned with what they studied let me back that up so you can think

let me back that up so you can think

let me back that up so you can think about that about half of the people that

about that about half of the people that

about that about half of the people that study something and they want a job in

study something and they want a job in

study something and they want a job in that field end up in something different

that field end up in something different

that field end up in something different because they can’t find work to put that

because they can’t find work to put that

because they can’t find work to put that into perspective let’s say you borrowed

into perspective let’s say you borrowed

into perspective let’s say you borrowed $35,000 to buy a brand-new car you

$35,000 to buy a brand-new car you

$35,000 to buy a brand-new car you waited a long time for that car and now

waited a long time for that car and now

waited a long time for that car and now you have it and you sat down and you go

you have it and you sat down and you go

you have it and you sat down and you go to turn it on and at about half the time

to turn it on and at about half the time

to turn it on and at about half the time it doesn’t work because that’s what you

it doesn’t work because that’s what you

it doesn’t work because that’s what you intended for it to do pretty sobering

intended for it to do pretty sobering

intended for it to do pretty sobering right so the next step was why why is

right so the next step was why why is

right so the next step was why why is there dis disconnect in higher education

there dis disconnect in higher education

there dis disconnect in higher education and jobs and we heard this what’s

and jobs and we heard this what’s

and jobs and we heard this what’s happening in the classroom is different

happening in the classroom is different

happening in the classroom is different from what’s happening in the field this

from what’s happening in the field this

from what’s happening in the field this young man he’s an entrepreneur he was

young man he’s an entrepreneur he was

young man he’s an entrepreneur he was working in a start-up focused on design

working in a start-up focused on design

working in a start-up focused on design he’s decided to go to school for design

he’s decided to go to school for design

he’s decided to go to school for design so he can be better at his job and he

so he can be better at his job and he

so he can be better at his job and he said what was happening in the classroom

said what was happening in the classroom

said what was happening in the classroom reputable school which I won’t mention

reputable school which I won’t mention

reputable school which I won’t mention was at least five years behind what was

was at least five years behind what was

was at least five years behind what was happening in the field and it makes

happening in the field and it makes

happening in the field and it makes sense if you think about the trends that

sense if you think about the trends that

sense if you think about the trends that are happening in technology you talk

are happening in technology you talk

are happening in technology you talk about

about

about self-driving cards reusable rockets AI

self-driving cards reusable rockets AI

self-driving cards reusable rockets AI that outsmarts people and digital

that outsmarts people and digital

that outsmarts people and digital currencies how can one institution keep

currencies how can one institution keep

currencies how can one institution keep up with all the emerging trends it’s

up with all the emerging trends it’s

up with all the emerging trends it’s highly unlikely and in a multi year

highly unlikely and in a multi year

highly unlikely and in a multi year program you’re likely to graduate you

program you’re likely to graduate you

program you’re likely to graduate you know learning things that don’t directly

know learning things that don’t directly

know learning things that don’t directly relate or are actually out of date and

relate or are actually out of date and

relate or are actually out of date and I’m not saying that college isn’t an

I’m not saying that college isn’t an

I’m not saying that college isn’t an amazing place at this point I can feel

amazing place at this point I can feel

amazing place at this point I can feel you’re pretty sobered by all this

you’re pretty sobered by all this

you’re pretty sobered by all this information I was too and College is an

information I was too and College is an

information I was too and College is an amazing place

amazing place

amazing place it creates research and innovation that

it creates research and innovation that

it creates research and innovation that shapes the world all those technology

shapes the world all those technology

shapes the world all those technology trends you see were made possible by

trends you see were made possible by

trends you see were made possible by innovation that came out of institutions

innovation that came out of institutions

innovation that came out of institutions I went to college and I made friends

I went to college and I made friends

I went to college and I made friends that I will have for the rest of my life

that I will have for the rest of my life

that I will have for the rest of my life but being real college is a luxury

but being real college is a luxury

but being real college is a luxury experience that very few get to engage

experience that very few get to engage

experience that very few get to engage in and while it’s a system of

in and while it’s a system of

in and while it’s a system of just-in-case learning there’s all this

just-in-case learning there’s all this

just-in-case learning there’s all this learning and we learn it just in case we

learning and we learn it just in case we

learning and we learn it just in case we may apply it to our jobs but we may not

may apply it to our jobs but we may not

may apply it to our jobs but we may not use all of it we need a system of

use all of it we need a system of

use all of it we need a system of just-in-time learning as well that fits

just-in-time learning as well that fits

just-in-time learning as well that fits what’s job and delivers education as we

what’s job and delivers education as we

what’s job and delivers education as we need it as we can afford it and as it

need it as we can afford it and as it

need it as we can afford it and as it fits with our careers so this is what we

fits with our careers so this is what we

fits with our careers so this is what we need for the rest of the people that can

need for the rest of the people that can

need for the rest of the people that can engage in this system and also for us

engage in this system and also for us

engage in this system and also for us when we’re no longer here so what we did

when we’re no longer here so what we did

when we’re no longer here so what we did to try to focus on building the system

to try to focus on building the system

to try to focus on building the system of just in time learning like a start-up

of just in time learning like a start-up

of just in time learning like a start-up we dived in

we dived in

we dived in we interviewed hundreds of people we

we interviewed hundreds of people we

we interviewed hundreds of people we interviewed college presidents current

interviewed college presidents current

interviewed college presidents current students dropouts experts in higher

students dropouts experts in higher

students dropouts experts in higher education and the future of work we

education and the future of work we

education and the future of work we started prototyping that’s my co-founder

started prototyping that’s my co-founder

started prototyping that’s my co-founder Alana Matos and we made certain things

Alana Matos and we made certain things

Alana Matos and we made certain things that we feel are directionally pointing

that we feel are directionally pointing

that we feel are directionally pointing at what the future concepts of a

at what the future concepts of a

at what the future concepts of a just-in-time learning system could be

just-in-time learning system could be

just-in-time learning system could be examples of that are chatbots where

examples of that are chatbots where

examples of that are chatbots where anyone could actually talk to this

anyone could actually talk to this

anyone could actually talk to this virtual assistant for career guidance

virtual assistant for career guidance

virtual assistant for career guidance rethinking the enrollment process so

rethinking the enrollment process so

rethinking the enrollment process so anyone can engage in any course anywhere

anyone can engage in any course anywhere

anyone can engage in any course anywhere anytime and taking free learning and

anytime and taking free learning and

anytime and taking free learning and aligning it so that people that can’t

aligning it so that people that can’t

aligning it so that people that can’t get in here can learn cutting-edge

get in here can learn cutting-edge

get in here can learn cutting-edge subjects with free learning in all of

subjects with free learning in all of

subjects with free learning in all of this what we learned is for things that

this what we learned is for things that

this what we learned is for things that we

we

we can change and create a system of access

can change and create a system of access

can change and create a system of access and sustainable learning for the world

and sustainable learning for the world

and sustainable learning for the world and we’re going to share that with you

and we’re going to share that with you

and we’re going to share that with you today the first part is unbundle while

today the first part is unbundle while

today the first part is unbundle while people couldn’t afford the entire

people couldn’t afford the entire

people couldn’t afford the entire experience the whole four-year

experience the whole four-year

experience the whole four-year experience they could afford an

experience they could afford an

experience they could afford an individual course or an individual class

individual course or an individual class

individual course or an individual class so pairing that with the videos books

so pairing that with the videos books

so pairing that with the videos books podcasts articles that are being created

podcasts articles that are being created

podcasts articles that are being created that are actually some of the latest

that are actually some of the latest

that are actually some of the latest learning is step one step two is

learning is step one step two is

learning is step one step two is actually reassembling that two jobs an

actually reassembling that two jobs an

actually reassembling that two jobs an example of that that we use was there’s

example of that that we use was there’s

example of that that we use was there’s a self-driving car job in Detroit and

a self-driving car job in Detroit and

a self-driving car job in Detroit and the best match to learn that job quickly

the best match to learn that job quickly

the best match to learn that job quickly was actually a local class at Lawrence

was actually a local class at Lawrence

was actually a local class at Lawrence Tech and so that they get the in-person

Tech and so that they get the in-person

Tech and so that they get the in-person community and interaction and the

community and interaction and the

community and interaction and the self-driving car degree by Udacity that

self-driving car degree by Udacity that

self-driving car degree by Udacity that was the quickest fastest cheapest way to

was the quickest fastest cheapest way to

was the quickest fastest cheapest way to get them into that job the next is

get them into that job the next is

get them into that job the next is creating areas of application and a

creating areas of application and a

creating areas of application and a place that’s doing this well is P Tech

place that’s doing this well is P Tech

place that’s doing this well is P Tech High School out in Brooklyn and they

High School out in Brooklyn and they

High School out in Brooklyn and they work with IBM and these students learn

work with IBM and these students learn

work with IBM and these students learn computer science they intern at IBM and

computer science they intern at IBM and

computer science they intern at IBM and they graduate job ready and the last is

they graduate job ready and the last is

they graduate job ready and the last is credentialing and we need this for

credentialing and we need this for

credentialing and we need this for employers right now they’re using the

employers right now they’re using the

employers right now they’re using the degree because there’s no other options

degree because there’s no other options

degree because there’s no other options but we can actually create a smarter

but we can actually create a smarter

but we can actually create a smarter data-driven indicator an example of that

data-driven indicator an example of that

data-driven indicator an example of that let’s say I’m applying to a job and you

let’s say I’m applying to a job and you

let’s say I’m applying to a job and you have my learning history you can

have my learning history you can

have my learning history you can actually compare me my learning history

actually compare me my learning history

actually compare me my learning history to people that are in the job right now

to people that are in the job right now

to people that are in the job right now and you might be looking at this and

and you might be looking at this and

and you might be looking at this and trying to wrap your head around it it’s

trying to wrap your head around it it’s

trying to wrap your head around it it’s simple we do this with dating apps right

simple we do this with dating apps right

simple we do this with dating apps right we match people we come up with a match

we match people we come up with a match

we match people we come up with a match there is no reason that we cannot do

there is no reason that we cannot do

there is no reason that we cannot do this for jobs and also you can tell me

this for jobs and also you can tell me

this for jobs and also you can tell me what I need to learn to be a better

what I need to learn to be a better

what I need to learn to be a better match for that job instead of hearing no

match for that job instead of hearing no

match for that job instead of hearing no from the job and and being frustrated

from the job and and being frustrated

from the job and and being frustrated and unclear of where you need to go next

and unclear of where you need to go next

and unclear of where you need to go next so these are the things we can do

so these are the things we can do

so these are the things we can do unbundling the learning across

unbundling the learning across

unbundling the learning across institutions aligning it to jobs

institutions aligning it to jobs

institutions aligning it to jobs creating areas where we can apply that

creating areas where we can apply that

creating areas where we can apply that learning in context and creating

learning in context and creating

learning in context and creating credentials that are based on real data

credentials that are based on real data

credentials that are based on real data and not subjectivity of a group and

and not subjectivity of a group and

and not subjectivity of a group and there are already companies working on

there are already companies working on

there are already companies working on this making impact in the space and

this making impact in the space and

this making impact in the space and making bridges for people to get jobs

making bridges for people to get jobs

making bridges for people to get jobs and retrain with the evolving economy

and retrain with the evolving economy

and retrain with the evolving economy but there are too many people that are

but there are too many people that are

but there are too many people that are being served today and this is the big

being served today and this is the big

being served today and this is the big idea I came to share with you today is

idea I came to share with you today is

idea I came to share with you today is the technology already exists to make

the technology already exists to make

the technology already exists to make this possible we can make a system that

this possible we can make a system that

this possible we can make a system that is that not only helps people train and

is that not only helps people train and

is that not only helps people train and retrain to keep up with the evolving

retrain to keep up with the evolving

retrain to keep up with the evolving economy and improves our country and our

economy and improves our country and our

economy and improves our country and our world but it’s up to us to create a

world but it’s up to us to create a

world but it’s up to us to create a better future

better future

better future thank you

thank you

thank you [Applause]

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