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Wildfires: Time for Change | Matt Rahn | TEDxTemecula


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[Music] so for about the last 20 years of my

so for about the last 20 years of my

so for about the last 20 years of my career I’ve had the opportunity to work

career I’ve had the opportunity to work

career I’ve had the opportunity to work on some of the most consequential

on some of the most consequential

on some of the most consequential projects and issues that face our region

projects and issues that face our region

projects and issues that face our region our state and even our nation but really

our state and even our nation but really

our state and even our nation but really over the last ten years I’ve had the

over the last ten years I’ve had the

over the last ten years I’ve had the distinct honor and privilege to work

distinct honor and privilege to work

distinct honor and privilege to work alongside our wildland firefighters

alongside our wildland firefighters

alongside our wildland firefighters addressing issues of Community Safety

addressing issues of Community Safety

addressing issues of Community Safety and resilience attack effectiveness and

and resilience attack effectiveness and

and resilience attack effectiveness and firefighter health and safety during

firefighter health and safety during

firefighter health and safety during that decade I came across a startling

that decade I came across a startling

that decade I came across a startling realization now it’s not some new tool

realization now it’s not some new tool

realization now it’s not some new tool to improve attack effectiveness or help

to improve attack effectiveness or help

to improve attack effectiveness or help save lives the realization I had was

save lives the realization I had was

save lives the realization I had was nothing at all

nothing at all

nothing at all and what I mean by that is that I found

and what I mean by that is that I found

and what I mean by that is that I found out that over the years as we started

out that over the years as we started

out that over the years as we started asking questions as we started doing our

asking questions as we started doing our

asking questions as we started doing our research there were so many things that

research there were so many things that

research there were so many things that haven’t been addressed effectively

haven’t been addressed effectively

haven’t been addressed effectively wildland firefighting is easily a

wildland firefighting is easily a

wildland firefighting is easily a generation behind that of high-rise

generation behind that of high-rise

generation behind that of high-rise structure and urban firefighting now

structure and urban firefighting now

structure and urban firefighting now this is something that took me a long

this is something that took me a long

this is something that took me a long time to realize and really get a handle

time to realize and really get a handle

time to realize and really get a handle on but let me tell you the firefighters

on but let me tell you the firefighters

on but let me tell you the firefighters they realize this from day one so let me

they realize this from day one so let me

they realize this from day one so let me take you back in time a little bit and

take you back in time a little bit and

take you back in time a little bit and introduce you to Ed Pulaski in 1911 he

introduce you to Ed Pulaski in 1911 he

introduce you to Ed Pulaski in 1911 he adopted a new tool for wildland

adopted a new tool for wildland

adopted a new tool for wildland firefighting that tool today bears his

firefighting that tool today bears his

firefighting that tool today bears his name the Pulaski now a hundred years ago

name the Pulaski now a hundred years ago

name the Pulaski now a hundred years ago if you were to look at wildland

if you were to look at wildland

if you were to look at wildland firefighting it’s a fairly rudimentary

firefighting it’s a fairly rudimentary

firefighting it’s a fairly rudimentary process at that time but if you were to

process at that time but if you were to

process at that time but if you were to compare that to say the military at

compare that to say the military at

compare that to say the military at about that same time it’s also a very

about that same time it’s also a very

about that same time it’s also a very different environment than what we see

different environment than what we see

different environment than what we see today in fact if you were to take a

today in fact if you were to take a

today in fact if you were to take a soldier off the battlefield in the early

soldier off the battlefield in the early

soldier off the battlefield in the early 1900s and place them on the battlefield

1900s and place them on the battlefield

1900s and place them on the battlefield today it would be nearly unrecognizable

today it would be nearly unrecognizable

today it would be nearly unrecognizable there would be some similarities right

there would be some similarities right

there would be some similarities right but a lot has

but a lot has

but a lot has – mentally changed if you were to take a

– mentally changed if you were to take a

– mentally changed if you were to take a wildland firefighter from early 1900s

wildland firefighter from early 1900s

wildland firefighter from early 1900s and dropped them on a wildland fire

and dropped them on a wildland fire

and dropped them on a wildland fire today it would be unfortunately

today it would be unfortunately

today it would be unfortunately immediately recognizable now some would

immediately recognizable now some would

immediately recognizable now some would say the industry has shifted right but

say the industry has shifted right but

say the industry has shifted right but the tools are the same a lot of the

the tools are the same a lot of the

the tools are the same a lot of the tactics are the same and yes indeed we

tactics are the same and yes indeed we

tactics are the same and yes indeed we do have new technology we have aircraft

do have new technology we have aircraft

do have new technology we have aircraft we have new things that have never been

we have new things that have never been

we have new things that have never been used before and so some people would say

used before and so some people would say

used before and so some people would say well if it ain’t broke don’t fix it but

well if it ain’t broke don’t fix it but

well if it ain’t broke don’t fix it but what I’m here to talk to you about is

what I’m here to talk to you about is

what I’m here to talk to you about is that it is broken and so let’s go back

that it is broken and so let’s go back

that it is broken and so let’s go back to the 1960s 1970s when our country was

to the 1960s 1970s when our country was

to the 1960s 1970s when our country was facing some really big issues

facing some really big issues

facing some really big issues all right you couldn’t see across the

all right you couldn’t see across the

all right you couldn’t see across the street in Los Angeles rivers were

street in Los Angeles rivers were

street in Los Angeles rivers were literally catching on fire the symbol of

literally catching on fire the symbol of

literally catching on fire the symbol of our nation the bald eagle was going

our nation the bald eagle was going

our nation the bald eagle was going extinct we had places like Love Canal

extinct we had places like Love Canal

extinct we had places like Love Canal emerge as some of the most toxic

emerge as some of the most toxic

emerge as some of the most toxic hazardous sites in the United States but

hazardous sites in the United States but

hazardous sites in the United States but we also landed a person on the moon and

we also landed a person on the moon and

we also landed a person on the moon and so at that time we said these aren’t

so at that time we said these aren’t

so at that time we said these aren’t insurmountable problems we can figure

insurmountable problems we can figure

insurmountable problems we can figure these things out so at about the same

these things out so at about the same

these things out so at about the same time the Nixon administration had

time the Nixon administration had

time the Nixon administration had started a program and a commission to

started a program and a commission to

started a program and a commission to deal with urban firefighting because it

deal with urban firefighting because it

deal with urban firefighting because it was a big problem at the time and so in

was a big problem at the time and so in

was a big problem at the time and so in 1973 they commissioned a report called

1973 they commissioned a report called

1973 they commissioned a report called America burning and that report helped

America burning and that report helped

America burning and that report helped to fundamentally change urban

to fundamentally change urban

to fundamentally change urban firefighting as we know it today it

firefighting as we know it today it

firefighting as we know it today it talked about prevention training and

talked about prevention training and

talked about prevention training and outreach

outreach

outreach it had materials and design issues for

it had materials and design issues for

it had materials and design issues for homes and buildings and it had a

homes and buildings and it had a

homes and buildings and it had a significant focus on research and

significant focus on research and

significant focus on research and education so by 1974 we create the

education so by 1974 we create the

education so by 1974 we create the federal fire prevention and Control Act

federal fire prevention and Control Act

federal fire prevention and Control Act and we have made some remarkable strides

and we have made some remarkable strides

and we have made some remarkable strides and gains in urban firefighting so if

and gains in urban firefighting so if

and gains in urban firefighting so if you compared 1970s to about today we can

you compared 1970s to about today we can

you compared 1970s to about today we can show you that the number of deaths that

show you that the number of deaths that

show you that the number of deaths that occur every year is down by nearly 70

occur every year is down by nearly 70

occur every year is down by nearly 70 percent the property lost has decreased

percent the property lost has decreased

percent the property lost has decreased and these are adjusted numbers

and these are adjusted numbers

and these are adjusted numbers has decreased by nearly half structure

has decreased by nearly half structure

has decreased by nearly half structure fires in the United States have gone

fires in the United States have gone

fires in the United States have gone down by nearly 63 percent and the number

down by nearly 63 percent and the number

down by nearly 63 percent and the number of injuries that we have from structure

of injuries that we have from structure

of injuries that we have from structure and urban fires have decreased by 75%

and urban fires have decreased by 75%

and urban fires have decreased by 75% remarkable gains now to put that a

remarkable gains now to put that a

remarkable gains now to put that a little bit more into perspective though

little bit more into perspective though

little bit more into perspective though at that same time period our population

at that same time period our population

at that same time period our population the United States increased by over a

the United States increased by over a

the United States increased by over a hundred million people Wow

hundred million people Wow

hundred million people Wow I mean that much growth at that time and

I mean that much growth at that time and

I mean that much growth at that time and still we’re able to make those dramatic

still we’re able to make those dramatic

still we’re able to make those dramatic changes in our country phenomenal now

changes in our country phenomenal now

changes in our country phenomenal now let me show you what happened with

let me show you what happened with

let me show you what happened with wildland firefighting in that same time

wildland firefighting in that same time

wildland firefighting in that same time period the fire season from the 1970s to

period the fire season from the 1970s to

period the fire season from the 1970s to today has increased by nearly 50% if you

today has increased by nearly 50% if you

today has increased by nearly 50% if you look at just our federal lands in the

look at just our federal lands in the

look at just our federal lands in the Forest Service and this mirrors the rest

Forest Service and this mirrors the rest

Forest Service and this mirrors the rest of the United States and California the

of the United States and California the

of the United States and California the number of fires over a thousand acres as

number of fires over a thousand acres as

number of fires over a thousand acres as increased by a hundred percent the

increased by a hundred percent the

increased by a hundred percent the number of fires over ten thousand acres

number of fires over ten thousand acres

number of fires over ten thousand acres is increased by two hundred and fifty

is increased by two hundred and fifty

is increased by two hundred and fifty percent and the total number of acres

percent and the total number of acres

percent and the total number of acres burned in the United States has gone

burned in the United States has gone

burned in the United States has gone from roughly three million acres per

from roughly three million acres per

from roughly three million acres per year in the 1970s to well over eight

year in the 1970s to well over eight

year in the 1970s to well over eight million acres today it’s stunning the

million acres today it’s stunning the

million acres today it’s stunning the worst year on record was 2015 where we

worst year on record was 2015 where we

worst year on record was 2015 where we burned over 12 and a half million acres

burned over 12 and a half million acres

burned over 12 and a half million acres in the United States so yeah it is

in the United States so yeah it is

in the United States so yeah it is broken and we need to figure out how to

broken and we need to figure out how to

broken and we need to figure out how to change this industry to provide them

change this industry to provide them

change this industry to provide them with new tools to fight wildland fires

with new tools to fight wildland fires

with new tools to fight wildland fires to put this in perspective 8 million

to put this in perspective 8 million

to put this in perspective 8 million acres is the size of the state of

acres is the size of the state of

acres is the size of the state of Massachusetts that we lose every year in

Massachusetts that we lose every year in

Massachusetts that we lose every year in the United States and a bit of a

the United States and a bit of a

the United States and a bit of a geography lesson anybody know it’s five

geography lesson anybody know it’s five

geography lesson anybody know it’s five states the size of oh come on folks

states the size of oh come on folks

states the size of oh come on folks Delaware alright but it’s also to put it

Delaware alright but it’s also to put it

Delaware alright but it’s also to put it into a local perspective losing about

into a local perspective losing about

into a local perspective losing about 420 cities the size of Temecula I mean

420 cities the size of Temecula I mean

420 cities the size of Temecula I mean that’s what we’re losing every year 95%

that’s what we’re losing every year 95%

that’s what we’re losing every year 95% of those fires nationwide are human

of those fires nationwide are human

of those fires nationwide are human caused events

caused events

caused events not natural events they’re not lightning

not natural events they’re not lightning

not natural events they’re not lightning strikes they’re human caused

strikes they’re human caused

strikes they’re human caused one-in-six damages infrastructure

one-in-six damages infrastructure

one-in-six damages infrastructure transportation and one in ten results in

transportation and one in ten results in

transportation and one in ten results in the loss of a home with roughly 3,000

the loss of a home with roughly 3,000

the loss of a home with roughly 3,000 homes every year being lost to a

homes every year being lost to a

homes every year being lost to a wildland fire it’s not just a West Coast

wildland fire it’s not just a West Coast

wildland fire it’s not just a West Coast issue it’s not just a California issue

issue it’s not just a California issue

issue it’s not just a California issue nationwide we have over two hundred and

nationwide we have over two hundred and

nationwide we have over two hundred and seventy seven thousand square miles of

seventy seven thousand square miles of

seventy seven thousand square miles of what’s called the wildland urban

what’s called the wildland urban

what’s called the wildland urban interface or that really high-risk zone

interface or that really high-risk zone

interface or that really high-risk zone where our urban areas meet the wildland

where our urban areas meet the wildland

where our urban areas meet the wildland right forty five million homes in the

right forty five million homes in the

right forty five million homes in the United States are built in that

United States are built in that

United States are built in that interface in this high-risk area

interface in this high-risk area

interface in this high-risk area Connecticut is number one with the most

Connecticut is number one with the most

Connecticut is number one with the most amount of wildland urban interface but

amount of wildland urban interface but

amount of wildland urban interface but California we win we have more homes in

California we win we have more homes in

California we win we have more homes in that high-risk area than any other state

that high-risk area than any other state

that high-risk area than any other state with roughly 5.1 million homes and

with roughly 5.1 million homes and

with roughly 5.1 million homes and growing that number is going to increase

growing that number is going to increase

growing that number is going to increase because here’s another surprising number

because here’s another surprising number

because here’s another surprising number California has only built about 15

California has only built about 15

California has only built about 15 percent of the land available in that

percent of the land available in that

percent of the land available in that wildland urban interface 15 percent so

wildland urban interface 15 percent so

wildland urban interface 15 percent so we have to wrap our hands around this we

we have to wrap our hands around this we

we have to wrap our hands around this we have to help the fire industry deal with

have to help the fire industry deal with

have to help the fire industry deal with this situation we have to bring them out

this situation we have to bring them out

this situation we have to bring them out of a century-old practice as I’ve worked

of a century-old practice as I’ve worked

of a century-old practice as I’ve worked with them over the years a lot of folks

with them over the years a lot of folks

with them over the years a lot of folks refer to them as an industry of deep

refer to them as an industry of deep

refer to them as an industry of deep tradition unencumbered by progress right

tradition unencumbered by progress right

tradition unencumbered by progress right so the the concept of a wildland fire

so the the concept of a wildland fire

so the the concept of a wildland fire that’s stuff that just burns vegetation

that’s stuff that just burns vegetation

that’s stuff that just burns vegetation or heavy timber chaparral or grasslands

or heavy timber chaparral or grasslands

or heavy timber chaparral or grasslands has vastly changed we don’t see that as

has vastly changed we don’t see that as

has vastly changed we don’t see that as much anymore we see these fires moving

much anymore we see these fires moving

much anymore we see these fires moving into our backyards and when this has

into our backyards and when this has

into our backyards and when this has happened we see fires that bring in

happened we see fires that bring in

happened we see fires that bring in products that burn that we’ve never had

products that burn that we’ve never had

products that burn that we’ve never had historically and we try and wonder as

historically and we try and wonder as

historically and we try and wonder as those firefighters are working out there

those firefighters are working out there

those firefighters are working out there for weeks at a time days at a time 24

for weeks at a time days at a time 24

for weeks at a time days at a time 24 hour shifts what are they being exposed

hour shifts what are they being exposed

hour shifts what are they being exposed to what’s happening to them while they

to what’s happening to them while they

to what’s happening to them while they are doing their job to protect York

are doing their job to protect York

are doing their job to protect York and your lives now structure

and your lives now structure

and your lives now structure firefighters after the Americas burning

firefighters after the Americas burning

firefighters after the Americas burning made some vast changes in protective

made some vast changes in protective

made some vast changes in protective gear and protocols they wear the scbas

gear and protocols they wear the scbas

gear and protocols they wear the scbas the devices that help give them fresh

the devices that help give them fresh

the devices that help give them fresh air and breathing wildland firefighters

air and breathing wildland firefighters

air and breathing wildland firefighters have the equivalent to a bandana why

have the equivalent to a bandana why

have the equivalent to a bandana why because the breathing apparatus only

because the breathing apparatus only

because the breathing apparatus only gives you about 20 to 30 minutes of air

gives you about 20 to 30 minutes of air

gives you about 20 to 30 minutes of air at best it’s heavy its large and it’s

at best it’s heavy its large and it’s

at best it’s heavy its large and it’s cumbersome to use in an environment

cumbersome to use in an environment

cumbersome to use in an environment where you’re working for 8 12 or 24

where you’re working for 8 12 or 24

where you’re working for 8 12 or 24 hours hiking right we don’t have that

hours hiking right we don’t have that

hours hiking right we don’t have that kind of protection and so we started

kind of protection and so we started

kind of protection and so we started asking some basic questions like when

asking some basic questions like when

asking some basic questions like when you’re 200 feet away from a home and a

you’re 200 feet away from a home and a

you’re 200 feet away from a home and a vehicle that’s burning and you’re

vehicle that’s burning and you’re

vehicle that’s burning and you’re fighting wildland fire

fighting wildland fire

fighting wildland fire what are you breathing and stunning to

what are you breathing and stunning to

what are you breathing and stunning to find out that we didn’t know the answer

find out that we didn’t know the answer

find out that we didn’t know the answer to that after a hundred years of

to that after a hundred years of

to that after a hundred years of wildland firefighting we haven’t figured

wildland firefighting we haven’t figured

wildland firefighting we haven’t figured that out really if you go to the

that out really if you go to the

that out really if you go to the Memorial in Sacramento firefighters

Memorial in Sacramento firefighters

Memorial in Sacramento firefighters memorial just outside the Capitol over

memorial just outside the Capitol over

memorial just outside the Capitol over the last several years roughly 90% of

the last several years roughly 90% of

the last several years roughly 90% of the names that have been added to that

the names that have been added to that

the names that have been added to that wall are the result of cancer fatalities

wall are the result of cancer fatalities

wall are the result of cancer fatalities not fatalities on the fire line so

not fatalities on the fire line so

not fatalities on the fire line so something is happening something has

something is happening something has

something is happening something has changed in this industry how do we deal

changed in this industry how do we deal

changed in this industry how do we deal with it so in 2014 I was invited by Cal

with it so in 2014 I was invited by Cal

with it so in 2014 I was invited by Cal Fire local and others to host a workshop

Fire local and others to host a workshop

Fire local and others to host a workshop and this workshop was focused on how do

and this workshop was focused on how do

and this workshop was focused on how do we address this situation how do we

we address this situation how do we

we address this situation how do we create that Blue Ribbon Commission that

create that Blue Ribbon Commission that

create that Blue Ribbon Commission that was done in 1973 by the Nixon

was done in 1973 by the Nixon

was done in 1973 by the Nixon administration so we brought people from

administration so we brought people from

administration so we brought people from all over the country to Sacramento to

all over the country to Sacramento to

all over the country to Sacramento to ask the hard questions how do we move

ask the hard questions how do we move

ask the hard questions how do we move this thing forward and we had several

this thing forward and we had several

this thing forward and we had several days of great conversation and dialogue

days of great conversation and dialogue

days of great conversation and dialogue one of the things that came out of it is

one of the things that came out of it is

one of the things that came out of it is we just need to change the nomenclature

we just need to change the nomenclature

we just need to change the nomenclature right we need to stop calling it a

right we need to stop calling it a

right we need to stop calling it a wildfire and start calling it a wildland

wildfire and start calling it a wildland

wildfire and start calling it a wildland urban interface fire all right let’s be

urban interface fire all right let’s be

urban interface fire all right let’s be real with the situation that were

real with the situation that were

real with the situation that were confronted with every day because

confronted with every day because

confronted with every day because people’s perceptions will change once

people’s perceptions will change once

people’s perceptions will change once you start using those terms more

you start using those terms more

you start using those terms more let’s stop calling it a fire season a

let’s stop calling it a fire season a

let’s stop calling it a fire season a fire season suggests that there’s a

fire season suggests that there’s a

fire season suggests that there’s a discrete period of the year in which we

discrete period of the year in which we

discrete period of the year in which we have fires that’s not the case in fact

have fires that’s not the case in fact

have fires that’s not the case in fact half of the largest fires in

half of the largest fires in

half of the largest fires in California’s recent history have

California’s recent history have

California’s recent history have happened in the wintertime so we need to

happened in the wintertime so we need to

happened in the wintertime so we need to change the way we think about this but

change the way we think about this but

change the way we think about this but most importantly the biggest

most importantly the biggest

most importantly the biggest recommendations that came out of that

recommendations that came out of that

recommendations that came out of that symposium were much like in 1973

symposium were much like in 1973

symposium were much like in 1973 research and education right so at this

research and education right so at this

research and education right so at this point I’ve hit

point I’ve hit

point I’ve hit sadly the midpoint in my working career

sadly the midpoint in my working career

sadly the midpoint in my working career I think right and I had to make a

I think right and I had to make a

I think right and I had to make a decision you know I spent years going to

decision you know I spent years going to

decision you know I spent years going to the scientific conferences giving

the scientific conferences giving

the scientific conferences giving presentations in front of other

presentations in front of other

presentations in front of other scientists and everybody sort of patting

scientists and everybody sort of patting

scientists and everybody sort of patting themselves on the back and each other

themselves on the back and each other

themselves on the back and each other saying oh yeah I agree with you and

saying oh yeah I agree with you and

saying oh yeah I agree with you and that’s great information and and a lot

that’s great information and and a lot

that’s great information and and a lot of this stuff just sat on a shelf and

of this stuff just sat on a shelf and

of this stuff just sat on a shelf and collected dust right and so I made a

collected dust right and so I made a

collected dust right and so I made a decision I stopped doing that and I

decision I stopped doing that and I

decision I stopped doing that and I started working hand in hand with the

started working hand in hand with the

started working hand in hand with the wildland firefighters and asking them

wildland firefighters and asking them

wildland firefighters and asking them what’s important to you what are the

what’s important to you what are the

what’s important to you what are the questions that need to be asked I wasn’t

questions that need to be asked I wasn’t

questions that need to be asked I wasn’t presenting my results just at national

presenting my results just at national

presenting my results just at national science meetings anymore I was

science meetings anymore I was

science meetings anymore I was presenting them at firefighter

presenting them at firefighter

presenting them at firefighter conferences workshops specific to those

conferences workshops specific to those

conferences workshops specific to those firefighters and what I found was the

firefighters and what I found was the

firefighters and what I found was the reports and the research and the

reports and the research and the

reports and the research and the information we had was relevant and it

information we had was relevant and it

information we had was relevant and it didn’t sit on a shelf and collect dust

didn’t sit on a shelf and collect dust

didn’t sit on a shelf and collect dust it made its way into the hands of our

it made its way into the hands of our

it made its way into the hands of our policymakers our legislature our

policymakers our legislature our

policymakers our legislature our decision makers at the local government

decision makers at the local government

decision makers at the local government state government and even even federal

state government and even even federal

state government and even even federal government level we were affecting some

government level we were affecting some

government level we were affecting some kind of change but it wasn’t enough

kind of change but it wasn’t enough

kind of change but it wasn’t enough right it wasn’t nearly enough we know

right it wasn’t nearly enough we know

right it wasn’t nearly enough we know that firefighters and wildland urban

that firefighters and wildland urban

that firefighters and wildland urban interface are regularly exposed to

interface are regularly exposed to

interface are regularly exposed to hazardous and toxic substances from

hazardous and toxic substances from

hazardous and toxic substances from carbon monoxide to volatile organic

carbon monoxide to volatile organic

carbon monoxide to volatile organic compounds and polycyclic aromatic

compounds and polycyclic aromatic

compounds and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons known cancer-causing

hydrocarbons known cancer-causing

hydrocarbons known cancer-causing substances we don’t know how bad it is

substances we don’t know how bad it is

substances we don’t know how bad it is and we don’t know what the long-term

and we don’t know what the long-term

and we don’t know what the long-term effects are because there has never been

effects are because there has never been

effects are because there has never been a long-term study on any of this we did

a long-term study on any of this we did

a long-term study on any of this we did a study and tracked about a hundred

a study and tracked about a hundred

a study and tracked about a hundred firefighters over a period of a couple

firefighters over a period of a couple

firefighters over a period of a couple of years and we found out

of years and we found out

of years and we found out that they exceeded all sorts of

that they exceeded all sorts of

that they exceeded all sorts of recommended heart temperature and

recommended heart temperature and

recommended heart temperature and exposure rates they were experiencing

exposure rates they were experiencing

exposure rates they were experiencing some of the harshest conditions

some of the harshest conditions

some of the harshest conditions imaginable on this planet we had fire

imaginable on this planet we had fire

imaginable on this planet we had fire fighters with peak heart rates sustained

fighters with peak heart rates sustained

fighters with peak heart rates sustained at above 200 beats a minute and even 220

at above 200 beats a minute and even 220

at above 200 beats a minute and even 220 beats a minute now if you know anything

beats a minute now if you know anything

beats a minute now if you know anything about your heart rate it says the

about your heart rate it says the

about your heart rate it says the American Heart Association recommends

American Heart Association recommends

American Heart Association recommends 220 minus your age as a maximum heart

220 minus your age as a maximum heart

220 minus your age as a maximum heart rate and a working heart rate maximum is

rate and a working heart rate maximum is

rate and a working heart rate maximum is 85% of that number right so if you want

85% of that number right so if you want

85% of that number right so if you want to do the mass mine is about 157 then

to do the mass mine is about 157 then

to do the mass mine is about 157 then you can figure out how old I am

you can figure out how old I am

you can figure out how old I am so two-thirds of our firefighters were

so two-thirds of our firefighters were

so two-thirds of our firefighters were working at or near dehydration many of

working at or near dehydration many of

working at or near dehydration many of them carried core body temperatures

them carried core body temperatures

them carried core body temperatures above 102 degrees for hours and hours at

above 102 degrees for hours and hours at

above 102 degrees for hours and hours at a time and a significant number of them

a time and a significant number of them

a time and a significant number of them were edging close to 104 degrees we were

were edging close to 104 degrees we were

were edging close to 104 degrees we were able to work with some of the foremost

able to work with some of the foremost

able to work with some of the foremost national laboratories National Institute

national laboratories National Institute

national laboratories National Institute of Standards and Technology the u.s.

of Standards and Technology the u.s.

of Standards and Technology the u.s. Forest Service and others and we brought

Forest Service and others and we brought

Forest Service and others and we brought the materials we brought these things

the materials we brought these things

the materials we brought these things into the laboratory and said what are we

into the laboratory and said what are we

into the laboratory and said what are we exposing these folks to what are these

exposing these folks to what are these

exposing these folks to what are these conditions like and then we did larger

conditions like and then we did larger

conditions like and then we did larger sort of burns where we tried to simulate

sort of burns where we tried to simulate

sort of burns where we tried to simulate you know the wildland urban interface

you know the wildland urban interface

you know the wildland urban interface but I’ll tell you something I learned

but I’ll tell you something I learned

but I’ll tell you something I learned along this journey as well it’s not like

along this journey as well it’s not like

along this journey as well it’s not like being there you know researchers and

being there you know researchers and

being there you know researchers and scientists are really good at being in

scientists are really good at being in

scientists are really good at being in the laboratory a lot of times looking at

the laboratory a lot of times looking at

the laboratory a lot of times looking at things for different perspective I had

things for different perspective I had

things for different perspective I had the opportunity to work side-by-side

the opportunity to work side-by-side

the opportunity to work side-by-side shoulder-to-shoulder with wildland

shoulder-to-shoulder with wildland

shoulder-to-shoulder with wildland firefighters and it completely changed

firefighters and it completely changed

firefighters and it completely changed my perspective on wildland firefighting

my perspective on wildland firefighting

my perspective on wildland firefighting being there seeing that feeling it

being there seeing that feeling it

being there seeing that feeling it breathing it right it completely changed

breathing it right it completely changed

breathing it right it completely changed my perspective on what these folks are

my perspective on what these folks are

my perspective on what these folks are putting themselves through on a regular

putting themselves through on a regular

putting themselves through on a regular basis scientists often aren’t able to

basis scientists often aren’t able to

basis scientists often aren’t able to see the forest for the trees and so we

see the forest for the trees and so we

see the forest for the trees and so we need to work hand in hand with those

need to work hand in hand with those

need to work hand in hand with those firefighters and so we created a program

firefighters and so we created a program

firefighters and so we created a program at Cal State University at San Marcos

at Cal State University at San Marcos

at Cal State University at San Marcos that’s a Bachelor of Science in wildland

that’s a Bachelor of Science in wildland

that’s a Bachelor of Science in wildland fire and the urban interface first of

fire and the urban interface first of

fire and the urban interface first of its kind in the country

its kind in the country

its kind in the country and there’s something unique to this

and there’s something unique to this

and there’s something unique to this program we actually worked hand

program we actually worked hand

program we actually worked hand and with firefighters and fire agencies

and with firefighters and fire agencies

and with firefighters and fire agencies across the United States and we told

across the United States and we told

across the United States and we told them look I’m not hiring folks you are

them look I’m not hiring folks you are

them look I’m not hiring folks you are so what is it that you need in this

so what is it that you need in this

so what is it that you need in this curriculum what do you need to have

curriculum what do you need to have

curriculum what do you need to have these folks learn and of course a big

these folks learn and of course a big

these folks learn and of course a big push was the research side the

push was the research side the

push was the research side the scientists we want good scientists and

scientists we want good scientists and

scientists we want good scientists and we realized that if you want to

we realized that if you want to

we realized that if you want to effectuate good change

effectuate good change

effectuate good change yeah the scientists the researchers we

yeah the scientists the researchers we

yeah the scientists the researchers we can sit back and we can do our job but

can sit back and we can do our job but

can sit back and we can do our job but man if you provide them with the tools

man if you provide them with the tools

man if you provide them with the tools themselves to do it that’s the biggest

themselves to do it that’s the biggest

themselves to do it that’s the biggest opportunity for change and so hopefully

opportunity for change and so hopefully

opportunity for change and so hopefully if all the permissions are through the

if all the permissions are through the

if all the permissions are through the university system and everything else

university system and everything else

university system and everything else next year we’ll be launching this

next year we’ll be launching this

next year we’ll be launching this program and we hope that it’s just one

program and we hope that it’s just one

program and we hope that it’s just one more tool that we can give the wildland

more tool that we can give the wildland

more tool that we can give the wildland urban interface firefighters to do their

urban interface firefighters to do their

urban interface firefighters to do their job today thank you

job today thank you

job today thank you [Applause]

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