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Why Technology Can’t Fix Education | Mary Jo Madda | TEDxChicago


hello Chicago this is an apple some of

hello Chicago this is an apple some of you may look at it and think that

you may look at it and think that

you may look at it and think that reminds me of the American public

reminds me of the American public

reminds me of the American public education system or any education system

education system or any education system

education system or any education system for that matter yet despite how red and

for that matter yet despite how red and

for that matter yet despite how red and juicy and plump it is it doesn’t

juicy and plump it is it doesn’t

juicy and plump it is it doesn’t necessarily correlate with the realities

necessarily correlate with the realities

necessarily correlate with the realities of how American students are performing

of how American students are performing

of how American students are performing when you look at them and their

when you look at them and their

when you look at them and their performances compared with seventy-one

performances compared with seventy-one

performances compared with seventy-one other countries worth of students across

other countries worth of students across

other countries worth of students across the world journalists are the first ones

the world journalists are the first ones

the world journalists are the first ones to jump on this and try to figure out

to jump on this and try to figure out

to jump on this and try to figure out exactly what the reason is for this sort

exactly what the reason is for this sort

exactly what the reason is for this sort of performance and typically they focus

of performance and typically they focus

of performance and typically they focus on teachers here are some examples

on teachers here are some examples

on teachers here are some examples rotten apples crackdown on lazy teachers

rotten apples crackdown on lazy teachers

rotten apples crackdown on lazy teachers what the heck is going on in these

what the heck is going on in these

what the heck is going on in these schools I can tell you from firsthand

schools I can tell you from firsthand

schools I can tell you from firsthand experience because I was a sixth and

experience because I was a sixth and

experience because I was a sixth and seventh grade math and science teacher

seventh grade math and science teacher

seventh grade math and science teacher at one point that there are some

at one point that there are some

at one point that there are some incredible examples of teaching out

incredible examples of teaching out

incredible examples of teaching out there they just don’t always make it to

there they just don’t always make it to

there they just don’t always make it to the forefront and so about four and a

the forefront and so about four and a

the forefront and so about four and a half years ago I decided to put my money

half years ago I decided to put my money

half years ago I decided to put my money where my mouth is figuratively and join

where my mouth is figuratively and join

where my mouth is figuratively and join the education journalism world but I

the education journalism world but I

the education journalism world but I chose to move somewhere very in

chose to move somewhere very in

chose to move somewhere very in particular the Silicon Valley whoo where

particular the Silicon Valley whoo where

particular the Silicon Valley whoo where all of a sudden an entirely new

all of a sudden an entirely new

all of a sudden an entirely new narrative was brought to my attention

narrative was brought to my attention

narrative was brought to my attention technology is going to solve all of our

technology is going to solve all of our

technology is going to solve all of our problems technology can fix education

problems technology can fix education

problems technology can fix education the Silicon Valley billionaires remake

the Silicon Valley billionaires remake

the Silicon Valley billionaires remake schools artificial intelligence is going

schools artificial intelligence is going

schools artificial intelligence is going to do everything we need it to do well

to do everything we need it to do well

to do everything we need it to do well when I first heard that I started to

when I first heard that I started to

when I first heard that I started to feel like Morgan Freeman and this meme

feel like Morgan Freeman and this meme

feel like Morgan Freeman and this meme which is one of my favorite memes and

which is one of my favorite memes and

which is one of my favorite memes and you’d be surprised how many powerpoints

you’d be surprised how many powerpoints

you’d be surprised how many powerpoints I put this in in my career including

I put this in in my career including

I put this in in my career including when I had powerpoints in my classroom

when I had powerpoints in my classroom

when I had powerpoints in my classroom and you know I thought to myself what is

and you know I thought to myself what is

and you know I thought to myself what is this pressure all of a sudden I feel to

this pressure all of a sudden I feel to

this pressure all of a sudden I feel to join this narrative to write about how

join this narrative to write about how

join this narrative to write about how incredible technology is for our

incredible technology is for our

incredible technology is for our students so over the next 4 and 1/2

students so over the next 4 and 1/2

students so over the next 4 and 1/2 years of being an education journalist I

years of being an education journalist I

years of being an education journalist I would endeavor to try to answer this

would endeavor to try to answer this

would endeavor to try to answer this question can technology really solve all

question can technology really solve all

question can technology really solve all of our problems I’m gonna take you back

of our problems I’m gonna take you back

of our problems I’m gonna take you back to one of the most popular article

to one of the most popular article

to one of the most popular article so I ever wrote for the education

so I ever wrote for the education

so I ever wrote for the education technology journalism organization I

technology journalism organization I

technology journalism organization I used to work for ED Serge it was about a

used to work for ED Serge it was about a

used to work for ED Serge it was about a charter system down in Southern

charter system down in Southern

charter system down in Southern California USC hybrid high college prep

California USC hybrid high college prep

California USC hybrid high college prep the University of Southern California

the University of Southern California

the University of Southern California has a large School of Education and they

has a large School of Education and they

has a large School of Education and they wanted to run a bit of an experiment

wanted to run a bit of an experiment

wanted to run a bit of an experiment they decided that at this new charter

they decided that at this new charter

they decided that at this new charter school they were going to put students

school they were going to put students

school they were going to put students on devices for 90 percent of the day the

on devices for 90 percent of the day the

on devices for 90 percent of the day the teacher was there but sort of put to the

teacher was there but sort of put to the

teacher was there but sort of put to the side and they had a lot to work with

side and they had a lot to work with

side and they had a lot to work with because a number of these students were

because a number of these students were

because a number of these students were coming in without proficiency in math

coming in without proficiency in math

coming in without proficiency in math science or language arts so there was a

science or language arts so there was a

science or language arts so there was a lot riding on this and yet by the end of

lot riding on this and yet by the end of

lot riding on this and yet by the end of freshman year 50 percent of that

freshman year 50 percent of that

freshman year 50 percent of that incoming freshman class was credit

incoming freshman class was credit

incoming freshman class was credit deficient meaning that they were worse

deficient meaning that they were worse

deficient meaning that they were worse than when they had first come in it’s

than when they had first come in it’s

than when they had first come in it’s almost as if the Charter system took a

almost as if the Charter system took a

almost as if the Charter system took a page out of the book that Los Angeles

page out of the book that Los Angeles

page out of the book that Los Angeles Unified School District wrote who around

Unified School District wrote who around

Unified School District wrote who around the same time had decided to reallocate

the same time had decided to reallocate

the same time had decided to reallocate a billion dollars in funding from the

a billion dollars in funding from the

a billion dollars in funding from the space in their budget that was supposed

space in their budget that was supposed

space in their budget that was supposed to go to remaking decrepit buildings in

to go to remaking decrepit buildings in

to go to remaking decrepit buildings in the district to iPads for all every

the district to iPads for all every

the district to iPads for all every single student in the district received

single student in the district received

single student in the district received an iPad but there was a bit of an issue

an iPad but there was a bit of an issue

an iPad but there was a bit of an issue with this very little teacher input went

with this very little teacher input went

with this very little teacher input went into this decision making and very

into this decision making and very

into this decision making and very little professional development was

little professional development was

little professional development was provided to the teachers to help them

provided to the teachers to help them

provided to the teachers to help them understand how to incorporate the

understand how to incorporate the

understand how to incorporate the devices into the classroom now some of

devices into the classroom now some of

devices into the classroom now some of you may have read about this and if you

you may have read about this and if you

you may have read about this and if you have then apologize for bringing up

have then apologize for bringing up

have then apologize for bringing up those negative memories once again but

those negative memories once again but

those negative memories once again but approximately two years ago the

approximately two years ago the

approximately two years ago the superintendent of LAUSD John Deasy

superintendent of LAUSD John Deasy

superintendent of LAUSD John Deasy actually resigned and a major reason for

actually resigned and a major reason for

actually resigned and a major reason for that was because of the ultimate failure

that was because of the ultimate failure

that was because of the ultimate failure that the iPad initiative had been oh

that the iPad initiative had been oh

that the iPad initiative had been oh don’t get me wrong I actually recently

don’t get me wrong I actually recently

don’t get me wrong I actually recently joined Google so I theoretically like

joined Google so I theoretically like

joined Google so I theoretically like technology but I don’t think it’s the

technology but I don’t think it’s the

technology but I don’t think it’s the main thing that we need to fix all of

main thing that we need to fix all of

main thing that we need to fix all of our problems I think it can be a tool

our problems I think it can be a tool

our problems I think it can be a tool but here’s the thing

but here’s the thing

but here’s the thing I saw lacking and a lot of the stories

I saw lacking and a lot of the stories

I saw lacking and a lot of the stories that I read about that I wrote that he

that I read about that I wrote that he

that I read about that I wrote that he interviewed people on and that was the

interviewed people on and that was the

interviewed people on and that was the teacher factor because oftentimes

teacher factor because oftentimes

teacher factor because oftentimes teachers are the ones that ask the best

teachers are the ones that ask the best

teachers are the ones that ask the best questions around tools that are used in

questions around tools that are used in

questions around tools that are used in the classroom around how a student is

the classroom around how a student is

the classroom around how a student is feeling they have those relationships

feeling they have those relationships

feeling they have those relationships that a piece of technology can’t

that a piece of technology can’t

that a piece of technology can’t simulate for example Ricardo elizalde is

simulate for example Ricardo elizalde is

simulate for example Ricardo elizalde is probably one of the best teachers I’ve

probably one of the best teachers I’ve

probably one of the best teachers I’ve ever met in my entire life he is a

ever met in my entire life he is a

ever met in my entire life he is a public school teacher and he spends his

public school teacher and he spends his

public school teacher and he spends his life teaching non-native speakers

life teaching non-native speakers

life teaching non-native speakers English now students in his class even

English now students in his class even

English now students in his class even when they become proficient sometimes

when they become proficient sometimes

when they become proficient sometimes lack something in particular he noticed

lack something in particular he noticed

lack something in particular he noticed this with one of his particular Honduran

this with one of his particular Honduran

this with one of his particular Honduran students who was doing very well but

students who was doing very well but

students who was doing very well but when she went home wasn’t really able to

when she went home wasn’t really able to

when she went home wasn’t really able to speak with her mother because she lacked

speak with her mother because she lacked

speak with her mother because she lacked one crucial thing confidence now Ricardo

one crucial thing confidence now Ricardo

one crucial thing confidence now Ricardo being the resourceful and innovative

being the resourceful and innovative

being the resourceful and innovative teacher that he is decided I think

teacher that he is decided I think

teacher that he is decided I think there’s a way that I can incorporate

there’s a way that I can incorporate

there’s a way that I can incorporate technology into the scenario to help her

technology into the scenario to help her

technology into the scenario to help her out so he created a student project that

out so he created a student project that

out so he created a student project that brought in Macs and iMovie and wrote

brought in Macs and iMovie and wrote

brought in Macs and iMovie and wrote this story actually for us after the

this story actually for us after the

this story actually for us after the whole thing happened the students

whole thing happened the students

whole thing happened the students created animated digital shorts over

created animated digital shorts over

created animated digital shorts over which they dubbed with the English that

which they dubbed with the English that

which they dubbed with the English that they had learned and the beautiful thing

they had learned and the beautiful thing

they had learned and the beautiful thing about it was that they were able to take

about it was that they were able to take

about it was that they were able to take those projects back home and demonstrate

those projects back home and demonstrate

those projects back home and demonstrate to their families just how much they had

to their families just how much they had

to their families just how much they had learned and I’m going to take you back

learned and I’m going to take you back

learned and I’m going to take you back to hybrid high because actually that

to hybrid high because actually that

to hybrid high because actually that story doesn’t end as bad as you might

story doesn’t end as bad as you might

story doesn’t end as bad as you might think it did I’ll be honest with you we

think it did I’ll be honest with you we

think it did I’ll be honest with you we the the charter school system did pluck

the the charter school system did pluck

the the charter school system did pluck a new leader actually from Chicago and

a new leader actually from Chicago and

a new leader actually from Chicago and dragged him out to Los Angeles but the

dragged him out to Los Angeles but the

dragged him out to Los Angeles but the second year the charter school system

second year the charter school system

second year the charter school system was around thank God he was there

was around thank God he was there

was around thank God he was there because he realized that the big missing

because he realized that the big missing

because he realized that the big missing element in what they had done up until

element in what they had done up until

element in what they had done up until that point was teachers in the classroom

that point was teachers in the classroom

that point was teachers in the classroom working with students more consistently

working with students more consistently

working with students more consistently instead of having kids on devices 90% of

instead of having kids on devices 90% of

instead of having kids on devices 90% of their time but that wasn’t all he did he

their time but that wasn’t all he did he

their time but that wasn’t all he did he also made it rain he

also made it rain he

also made it rain he every single teacher $3,000 at the

every single teacher $3,000 at the

every single teacher $3,000 at the beginning of every year and the teachers

beginning of every year and the teachers

beginning of every year and the teachers could spend that on whatever software

could spend that on whatever software

could spend that on whatever software technology they wanted in addition to

technology they wanted in addition to

technology they wanted in addition to that if they really like something and

that if they really like something and

that if they really like something and wanted licenses for the whole school if

wanted licenses for the whole school if

wanted licenses for the whole school if they got other teachers and students on

they got other teachers and students on

they got other teachers and students on board and the administrators saw that

board and the administrators saw that

board and the administrators saw that then they’d buy licenses for everybody

then they’d buy licenses for everybody

then they’d buy licenses for everybody and I am happy to report that last year

and I am happy to report that last year

and I am happy to report that last year that first freshman class made it to

that first freshman class made it to

that first freshman class made it to senior year and graduated 100% of them

senior year and graduated 100% of them

senior year and graduated 100% of them graduated and 100% of them were accepted

graduated and 100% of them were accepted

graduated and 100% of them were accepted to four-year colleges and universities

it’s funny to hear you clap because I

it’s funny to hear you clap because I certainly can’t take credit for that but

certainly can’t take credit for that but

certainly can’t take credit for that but I’m glad that I was able to share that

I’m glad that I was able to share that

I’m glad that I was able to share that information with you

information with you

information with you now as I’m up here you may be thinking

now as I’m up here you may be thinking

now as I’m up here you may be thinking to yourself okay Mary Jo these are a lot

to yourself okay Mary Jo these are a lot

to yourself okay Mary Jo these are a lot of California examples I don’t know if

of California examples I don’t know if

of California examples I don’t know if you know but you’re a TEDx Chicago we’re

you know but you’re a TEDx Chicago we’re

you know but you’re a TEDx Chicago we’re a different place we have other problems

a different place we have other problems

a different place we have other problems to deal with like when it’s negative 10

to deal with like when it’s negative 10

to deal with like when it’s negative 10 degrees outside and first off I totally

degrees outside and first off I totally

degrees outside and first off I totally get it

get it

get it I went to Northwestern go Wildcats I’m

I went to Northwestern go Wildcats I’m

I went to Northwestern go Wildcats I’m right there with you anybody at

right there with you anybody at

right there with you anybody at Northwestern yes this is why I didn’t

Northwestern yes this is why I didn’t

Northwestern yes this is why I didn’t want to do TEDx San Francisco but

want to do TEDx San Francisco but

want to do TEDx San Francisco but there’s actually a similar example that

there’s actually a similar example that

there’s actually a similar example that I want to share with you that’s

I want to share with you that’s

I want to share with you that’s something for you to be aware of because

something for you to be aware of because

something for you to be aware of because I imagine that many of you have students

I imagine that many of you have students

I imagine that many of you have students in CPS some of you may be funders some

in CPS some of you may be funders some

in CPS some of you may be funders some of you may be politicians that make

of you may be politicians that make

of you may be politicians that make choices that affect the district so in

choices that affect the district so in

choices that affect the district so in 2016 the Chicago sometimes that summer

2016 the Chicago sometimes that summer

2016 the Chicago sometimes that summer reported that more than a thousand

reported that more than a thousand

reported that more than a thousand positions were eliminated from Chicago

positions were eliminated from Chicago

positions were eliminated from Chicago Public Schools just gone some of which

Public Schools just gone some of which

Public Schools just gone some of which were teaching positions now

were teaching positions now

were teaching positions now interestingly enough simultaneously that

interestingly enough simultaneously that

interestingly enough simultaneously that same summer a position was posted on the

same summer a position was posted on the

same summer a position was posted on the jobs board for an executive director of

jobs board for an executive director of

jobs board for an executive director of personalized learning and this

personalized learning and this

personalized learning and this six-figure salary to individual was

six-figure salary to individual was

six-figure salary to individual was going to be amongst other things

going to be amongst other things

going to be amongst other things bringing technology into the system now

bringing technology into the system now

bringing technology into the system now it would be unfair of me to say that

it would be unfair of me to say that

it would be unfair of me to say that there’s a direct causation between these

there’s a direct causation between these

there’s a direct causation between these two things but I think it’s something to

two things but I think it’s something to

two things but I think it’s something to be aware of

be aware of

be aware of because in my line of work I hear a lot

because in my line of work I hear a lot

because in my line of work I hear a lot of people talk and complain about the

of people talk and complain about the

of people talk and complain about the 1950s vision that we have of the

1950s vision that we have of the

1950s vision that we have of the classroom one teacher up at the front

classroom one teacher up at the front

classroom one teacher up at the front students facing forward you know

students facing forward you know

students facing forward you know everything’s focused on that one teacher

everything’s focused on that one teacher

everything’s focused on that one teacher everything is right there but at the

everything is right there but at the

everything is right there but at the same time I don’t know if this situation

same time I don’t know if this situation

same time I don’t know if this situation is much better and I’ve seen this live

is much better and I’ve seen this live

is much better and I’ve seen this live where students are sitting in desks

where students are sitting in desks

where students are sitting in desks tapped in singular device no

tapped in singular device no

tapped in singular device no collaboration no project-based learning

collaboration no project-based learning

collaboration no project-based learning no communicating no soft skill

no communicating no soft skill

no communicating no soft skill development and where’s the teacher

that’s why I fundamentally support what

that’s why I fundamentally support what I consider to be the triangular

I consider to be the triangular

I consider to be the triangular relationship and that’s where you have

relationship and that’s where you have

relationship and that’s where you have to have three individual pieces working

to have three individual pieces working

to have three individual pieces working together the student the technology the

together the student the technology the

together the student the technology the teacher technology is a wonderful thing

teacher technology is a wonderful thing

teacher technology is a wonderful thing I’m not gonna lie to you I see it do

I’m not gonna lie to you I see it do

I’m not gonna lie to you I see it do wonderful things in schools all the time

wonderful things in schools all the time

wonderful things in schools all the time I’ve seen it offer access to students

I’ve seen it offer access to students

I’ve seen it offer access to students with disabilities I’ve seen students

with disabilities I’ve seen students

with disabilities I’ve seen students that aren’t able to travel abroad get

that aren’t able to travel abroad get

that aren’t able to travel abroad get access to incredible virtual reality

access to incredible virtual reality

access to incredible virtual reality experiences that open up new worlds for

experiences that open up new worlds for

experiences that open up new worlds for them but before I leave today I want to

them but before I leave today I want to

them but before I leave today I want to leave you with one last crucial question

leave you with one last crucial question

leave you with one last crucial question how do we as a collective figure out the

how do we as a collective figure out the

how do we as a collective figure out the best learning environments for our

best learning environments for our

best learning environments for our students that balance the utility of

students that balance the utility of

students that balance the utility of technology with the beauty of human

technology with the beauty of human

technology with the beauty of human nature because I’ll be honest with you

nature because I’ll be honest with you

nature because I’ll be honest with you my friends and I’ve seen it firsthand

my friends and I’ve seen it firsthand

my friends and I’ve seen it firsthand the relationships between teachers and

the relationships between teachers and

the relationships between teachers and students is sacred and that should never

students is sacred and that should never

students is sacred and that should never ever be eliminated thank you

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